well karagarga won't give me an invite
― his venerable escutcheon, Tuesday, 13 December 2011 12:40 (twelve years ago) link
morbs i only watch tv while jacking off over dennis perrin tweets, i highly recommend
u might as well be ethan or someone just as boring
― Dr Morbius, Tuesday, 13 December 2011 13:02 (twelve years ago) link
morbs i know there are a few specialist outlets that write about totally unobtanium films but i don't read them for the most part, why because i would have to be available at 2:30pm in new york city on a particular wednesday in order to see them and you know, i work for a living so the whole exercise would just make me cry with futility
― his venerable escutcheon, Tuesday, 13 December 2011 13:08 (twelve years ago) link
sorta otm ^
― Never translate German (schlump), Tuesday, 13 December 2011 13:09 (twelve years ago) link
another reason i'm giving TV the edge is that even the artiest shows have to be middlebrow to an extent, they have to straddle the line between art and product; like stand-up comedy they have to at least attempt to work on a functional level as entertainment regardless of whatever other artistic ambitions they have, whereas by my lights movies have been shoved towards opposite poles, either machine-tooled product or plangent meditation on postmodern subjectivity (or whatever)
― his venerable escutcheon, Tuesday, 13 December 2011 13:20 (twelve years ago) link
guys lets start our own TV channel
― tumblr whine-y (dayo), Tuesday, 13 December 2011 13:24 (twelve years ago) link
cd call it F U Tube
― Angles that bitch (Julie Lagger), Tuesday, 13 December 2011 13:25 (twelve years ago) link
i would hate to be arguing for art refusing to try to engage people, but i think in a world in which there are ~a bunch of other shows~, a bunch of other films, it's okay to have outliers & idiosyncratic shows/films. to invoke louis ck's efforts re: making louie, he was mad at the punch-up & grooming that was done to tv to make it broadly pleasing. cinema is doing god's work imo in plangently-meditating-on society
― Never translate German (schlump), Tuesday, 13 December 2011 13:27 (twelve years ago) link
The majority of anti-TV peeps in this thread seem to dislike TV because they don't know how to do it right. Because I actually agree with a lot of their points (TV sucks if you just sit and passively watch it for 8 hours at a time, it sucks to be locked into a schedule of watching shows, it's hard to judge the quality of quality television when you haven't actively engaged with television in 5+ years, etc.). To me, this isn't that far off from someone saying that they hate movies because people are always getting shot in the theater they go to. Or that every time they get bored and go see some random movie they're always disappointed. There are different and better ways to enjoy it.
― In Your Velour Slacks (Hairplug Receipts), Tuesday, 13 December 2011 14:06 (twelve years ago) link
An hour of programming on ABC Family, for instance, is almost enough to make me wish that Western culture didn't exist.
― In Your Velour Slacks (Hairplug Receipts), Tuesday, 13 December 2011 14:08 (twelve years ago) link
Tv, by a lot. The only movies I like these day are big budget action/scifi flicks or documentaries.
― Jeff, Tuesday, 13 December 2011 14:29 (twelve years ago) link
I have never had a problem w/ gun violence at the theaters I go to fwiw
― iatee, Tuesday, 13 December 2011 14:49 (twelve years ago) link
bringing a gun to a movie theater is pretty bad gun etiquette
― tumblr whine-y (dayo), Tuesday, 13 December 2011 14:49 (twelve years ago) link
speaking of video games, i love video games, but i have this weird feeling that i'm "wasting time" when i play them - even the very best games - which i almost never feel with TV or movies, even when they are terrible
didnt we have a long & p interesting thread abt this like a year or so ago on real ilx???
― є(٥_ ٥)э, Tuesday, 13 December 2011 14:50 (twelve years ago) link
like stand-up comedy they have to at least attempt to work on a functional level as entertainment
Ingmar Bergman was an entertainer, and a good one.
― Dr Morbius, Tuesday, 13 December 2011 15:42 (twelve years ago) link
why do we have to choose?
serious question.
― flexidisc, Tuesday, 13 December 2011 15:42 (twelve years ago) link
agreed, morbius!
― his venerable escutcheon, Tuesday, 13 December 2011 15:44 (twelve years ago) link
(i was talking broadly about current movies)
― his venerable escutcheon, Tuesday, 13 December 2011 15:45 (twelve years ago) link
xxpost
You have to choose because we're going to shoot one of them in the street like a dog.
― In Your Velour Slacks (Hairplug Receipts), Tuesday, 13 December 2011 15:46 (twelve years ago) link
put movies out of their misery, and do it in 3-D smellovision
― remy bean in exile, Tuesday, 13 December 2011 15:46 (twelve years ago) link
Jean-Luc Godard is an entertainer. He put a llama and a mule at a gas station in his latest film.
― Dr Morbius, Tuesday, 13 December 2011 15:47 (twelve years ago) link
Best part is when the mule says to his friend "do you believe in god?" and the other animal nods and says "yes, I follow the dali llama."
― remy bean in exile, Tuesday, 13 December 2011 15:48 (twelve years ago) link
damn those Navajo subtitles
― Dr Morbius, Tuesday, 13 December 2011 15:50 (twelve years ago) link
And then the camera pans to a llama sporting an eccentric upturned mustache.
― jaymc, Tuesday, 13 December 2011 15:52 (twelve years ago) link
Anna Karina and Jean Paul Belmondo were told by Godard to put a mule in the barn. When they led the mule over to the barn, they decided that the mule's ears were to long and he would not fit into the barn. So they put their heads together and decided to get a ladder and a saw and saw the overhead of the barn out so the mule could walk right on in the barn.
They began their job and Godard walked over to them and asked them why they were sawing out the top of the barn. When they told him the mule's ears were too long to go into the barn, he said:
"Why don't you just get a shovel and dig the dirt out of the ground below, then the mule could walk on in"
Anna and Jean Paul looked at each other and said "We told you his ears were too long, not his feet."
― remy bean in exile, Tuesday, 13 December 2011 15:55 (twelve years ago) link
The majority of anti-TV peeps in this thread seem to dislike TV because they don't know how to do it right. Because I actually agree with a lot of their points (TV sucks if you just sit and passively watch it for 8 hours at a time, it sucks to be locked into a schedule of watching shows, it's hard to judge the quality of quality television when you haven't actively engaged with television in 5+ years, etc.).
this is not it at all, at least for me. the simple fact is that the number of pleasurable viewing hours to be derived from movies (and I mean ALL movies going back to the dawn of film) is larger than the number of pleasurable viewing hours to be derived from TV (and I mean ALL of TV going back to the dawn of television). Some of this is attributable to the fact that so little TV bears re-watching - even the stuff that is pretty good (I never need to see an episode of Cheers, or MASH, or the Wire, or Happy Days ever again, for example). There are some exceptions (Simpsons, Sopranos, Twin Peaks, Twilight Zone, KITH, Mr. Show) but they're pretty rare.
This is not the case with films - decent films bear up under repeated viewing. And then there's the simple fact that the vast majority of TV is total shit. I simply think the hit:miss ratio for films is better.
― Shakey Mo Collier, Tuesday, 13 December 2011 18:09 (twelve years ago) link
don't understand why this thread got hung up on NEW TV shows and movies, that seems like a totally irrelevant and outdated way to assess viewing material in this day and age, when everything is available all the time.
― Shakey Mo Collier, Tuesday, 13 December 2011 18:10 (twelve years ago) link
SMC OTM --
voted movies, because I didn't assume n/a was talking about current tv and current movies in the OP
― William (C), Monday, December 12, 2011 5:15 PM (Yesterday)
― William (C), Tuesday, 13 December 2011 18:14 (twelve years ago) link
this is a big problem with great, say, iranian movies, or indie budget flicks - they are just not available, even on the pirate bay, much less reviewed or written about
also yeah this is nonsense I can get this shit from my local video store
― Shakey Mo Collier, Tuesday, 13 December 2011 18:15 (twelve years ago) link
tbf you do live in iran
― iatee, Tuesday, 13 December 2011 18:16 (twelve years ago) link
love this place - bros for all time and they're going to put in a screening room in their basement! awes
― Shakey Mo Collier, Tuesday, 13 December 2011 18:16 (twelve years ago) link
most people don't have hipster videostores nearby, including most people in sf or brooklyn
― iatee, Tuesday, 13 December 2011 18:21 (twelve years ago) link
heaven forbid you should actually have to find a physical place, walk somewhere, and talk to an actual person to find a movie
― Shakey Mo Collier, Tuesday, 13 December 2011 18:23 (twelve years ago) link
you should print that out and post it on their window when they go out of business in 2 years
― iatee, Tuesday, 13 December 2011 18:24 (twelve years ago) link
A major source of international films for me is the New York Public Library.
(I imagine other major cities' libraries stock many, many fewer)
― Dr Morbius, Tuesday, 13 December 2011 18:24 (twelve years ago) link
including most people in sf
there's at least 4 throughout the city that I know of (Le Video and Lost Weekend are the best ones tho)
― Shakey Mo Collier, Tuesday, 13 December 2011 18:25 (twelve years ago) link
okay so I guess you should print out 4 copies
― iatee, Tuesday, 13 December 2011 18:25 (twelve years ago) link
people have been saying this for at least 5 years and not only are they still in business, they're expanding so whatever
anyway the point is these things are available if you are interested and willing to look for them on something that is not an internet service
― Shakey Mo Collier, Tuesday, 13 December 2011 18:26 (twelve years ago) link
don't understand why this thread got hung up on NEW TV shows and movies, that seems like a totally irrelevant and outdated way to assess viewing material in this day and age, when everything is available all the time
I totally get this. But I'm judging this silly poll in terms of "What brings the most pleasure to my life right now?"
― jaymc, Tuesday, 13 December 2011 18:27 (twelve years ago) link
hipster videostore economics aside, it's pretty easy to film relatively obscure films in 2011, 100x easier than it was in the 90s
― iatee, Tuesday, 13 December 2011 18:27 (twelve years ago) link
esp if you don't live in a big city
― iatee, Tuesday, 13 December 2011 18:28 (twelve years ago) link
There are going to continue to be niche video stores even after everything [sic] is streaming, the same way there are vinyl record stores for fanatics.
― Dr Morbius, Tuesday, 13 December 2011 18:29 (twelve years ago) link
Yeah, my father-in-law actually gets lots of international films from his local suburban library and does interlibrary loan for the titles he can't find there.
― jaymc, Tuesday, 13 December 2011 18:29 (twelve years ago) link
so basically you guys are saying that movies are better than tv, but only if you do research to find the few obscure foreign movies that are actually good and have a niche hipster video store in your area that stocks these movies
― n/a, Tuesday, 13 December 2011 18:32 (twelve years ago) link
eh I doubt it, everything is digital, there's no real difference between walking to a store to get those 1s and 0s or pressing 3 buttons on your computer, whereas record stores offer something 'different' from downloading on mp3
xxp
― iatee, Tuesday, 13 December 2011 18:33 (twelve years ago) link
an
like there is such thing as vinyl fetishism there is no such thing as 'borrowing a dvd for 2 days fetishism'
― iatee, Tuesday, 13 December 2011 18:34 (twelve years ago) link
afaik