Inland Empire (being promoted with coasters, coffee)

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i went during the day and the theater was fairly empty.

j.m. goatse (get bent), Wednesday, 13 December 2006 17:05 (seventeen years ago) link

I guess that's cool that he's breaking records, but a $21k opening for a film seems ... well, kinda depressing.

It opens here in SF on the 29th, altho I'm not sure where.

Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 13 December 2006 17:16 (seventeen years ago) link

If it opens in Miami, I'm going to send the distributors coasters with my face on them.

Alfred Soto (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 13 December 2006 17:24 (seventeen years ago) link

i think inland empire is pretty great, even though significant chunks -- especially the stuff set in poland -- are careless and much less interesting than the rest of it. (just because something's not "linear" doesn't mean you can stick just anything in anywhere and have it work.) the major advantage of the dv is how much it lets him get away with playing in the dark.

i thought the conceptual key was in two lines -- where abused-wife laura dern says to the weird guy in the dark office at the top of the stairs something like, "i don't know what came before or after. i don't know what happened first, and it's kind of laid a head trip on me." and then in another scene, someone (one of the hooker greek chorus maybe?) says, "it had something to do with the passage of time."

a few days after seeing it, for unrelated reasons i looked up the wikipedia entry on the theory of relativity and came across this line: "it is an open question whether or not there is some fundamental principle that preserves causality." that seems like part of what lynch is after -- this sense cause and effect moving in circles, or mobius strips, with all these repeats and echoes and twists. which was present in mulholland drive too, but it's more deliberate here.

the whole thing also made me think of "stuck inside of mobile": people just get uglier, and i have no sense of time. (not to mention, "Waiting to find out what price/ You have to pay to get out of/ Going through all these things twice").

anyway, i want to see it again. and this time i can time a bathroom break to coincide with a lesser scene.

tipsy mothra (tipsy mothra), Wednesday, 13 December 2006 17:24 (seventeen years ago) link

def need to see it again

hated the beck song though

this is cutty (mcutt), Wednesday, 13 December 2006 17:31 (seventeen years ago) link

Beck song?!?!

Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 13 December 2006 17:42 (seventeen years ago) link

yes :(

this is cutty (mcutt), Wednesday, 13 December 2006 17:44 (seventeen years ago) link

beck was more than offset by nina simone, tho.

tipsy mothra (tipsy mothra), Wednesday, 13 December 2006 17:51 (seventeen years ago) link

also, i don't know how serious lynch is about his interest in buddhism -- i know he's a big advocate of meditation, and i've seen him reference buddhism in some interviews -- but the movie works pretty well as buddhist allegory. if you called it something like "hungry ghost wandering through her lives" and showed it in a zen monastery, you'd probably get a lot of monkish nods of comprehension.

tipsy mothra (tipsy mothra), Wednesday, 13 December 2006 17:56 (seventeen years ago) link

I guess I survived being exposed to Marilyn Manson in Lost Highway, I can probably ignore Beck too...

Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 13 December 2006 17:56 (seventeen years ago) link

Roy Orbison escaped not only unscathed but his reputation enhanced.

Alfred Soto (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 13 December 2006 17:57 (seventeen years ago) link

Lynch's interest in meditation/buddhism seems pretty intense to me. You don't meditate every day of your life for the last 30+ years without taking it seriously.

Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 13 December 2006 18:00 (seventeen years ago) link

well consciously or not this film is a much more sophisticated expression of some buddhist ideas than any other hollywood "buddhist" movie i can think of. (although groundhog day i guess comes close.)

tipsy mothra (tipsy mothra), Wednesday, 13 December 2006 18:12 (seventeen years ago) link

even more than "Little Buddha"?!!?

Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 13 December 2006 18:16 (seventeen years ago) link

http://i.imdb.com/Photos/Events/906-dog/th-reeves_keanu2

whoah

Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 13 December 2006 18:17 (seventeen years ago) link

more than the golden child, even

tipsy mothra (tipsy mothra), Wednesday, 13 December 2006 18:20 (seventeen years ago) link

a $21k opening for a film seems ... well, kinda depressing.

Not for ONE theater! But I'm really glad I came to love films in an era where nobody -- NOBODY, aside from biz people -- knew or cared what the opening grosses of anything were.

Dr M (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 13 December 2006 19:17 (seventeen years ago) link

Lynch is into TM though, not Buddhism per se.

walterkranz (walterkranz), Wednesday, 13 December 2006 20:46 (seventeen years ago) link

TM is not related to Buddhism. It was developed by Maharishi Mahesh Yogi and introduced in 1958.

ice bat f/k/a xero (ice bat f/k/a xero), Wednesday, 13 December 2006 21:20 (seventeen years ago) link

Exactly. TM is to eastern religion what Scientology is to psychotherapy.

walterkranz (walterkranz), Wednesday, 13 December 2006 21:22 (seventeen years ago) link

OTM. (Ha.)

Cannot wait to see this movie.

ice bat f/k/a xero (ice bat f/k/a xero), Wednesday, 13 December 2006 21:23 (seventeen years ago) link

ya, but lynch has name-checked buddhism too. that's why i said i don't know how serious his interest in it is (as opposed to TM, which he tends to drone on about in interviews). either way, inland empire would make sense in a buddhist context. the circularity of its existential unease has a kind of eastern bent.

tipsy mothra (tipsy mothra), Wednesday, 13 December 2006 22:06 (seventeen years ago) link

(before y'all get your torches out note that no one here has said TM = Buddhism)

Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 13 December 2006 22:08 (seventeen years ago) link

xpost: (as opposed to like the more western-style freudian surrealism of bunuel. not that lynch is devoid of freudianism, but his surrealism draws on a lot of other sources too.)

tipsy mothra (tipsy mothra), Wednesday, 13 December 2006 22:10 (seventeen years ago) link

lynch has name-checked buddhism too

Do you have links, by any chance? I'm not doubting you, but I'm curious.

ice bat f/k/a xero (ice bat f/k/a xero), Wednesday, 13 December 2006 22:11 (seventeen years ago) link

only thing google finds fast is this, from the wikipedia "lost highway" entry, but i've read other similar things:

Lynch also hinted that his interest in Buddhism may have played a role in the structure of Lost Highway. In an interview with Time Out magazine in the August 1997 issue, Lynch elaborated on the parallels with Buddhism. The interviewer talked of Fred resigned to continue forever, making the same mistakes over and over again, in a number of different realities/lives/modes of being, forever striving for the ideal that Alice represents. Lynch replied that, "He is not consigned to this fate forever... He is not traveling in a circle, but rather a spiral, and at the end of the film moves round onto the next level. Maybe eventually he can find release. The film is only a small part of the story."

tipsy mothra (tipsy mothra), Wednesday, 13 December 2006 22:15 (seventeen years ago) link

...which pretty obviously prefigures inland empire.

tipsy mothra (tipsy mothra), Wednesday, 13 December 2006 22:16 (seventeen years ago) link

(and re: bunuel obviously i should have said roman catholic freudianism)

tipsy mothra (tipsy mothra), Wednesday, 13 December 2006 22:21 (seventeen years ago) link

Thanks, that makes sense. As noted above, no one here has said TM = Buddhism, but anything that even approaches conflating the two strikes me as very unsound indeed; which is not to deny the Buddhist tendencies of some aspects of Lynch's work, as explicitly stated in the Wiki extract, but let the distinction not be lost.

ice bat f/k/a xero (ice bat f/k/a xero), Wednesday, 13 December 2006 22:28 (seventeen years ago) link

(before y'all get your torches out note that no one here has said TM = Buddhism)

People were talking about meditation upthread as evidence of his interest in Buddhism. He may very well be heavily into Buddhism I just wanted to point out that when he advocates meditation he's talking about something else and any Buddhist themes evident in his work could quite possibly be ideas that he picked up second-hand through TM.

walterkranz (walterkranz), Wednesday, 13 December 2006 23:10 (seventeen years ago) link

pardon the didacticism, but what i initially said was "i don't know how serious lynch is about his interest in buddhism -- i know he's a big advocate of meditation, and i've seen him reference buddhism in some interviews." just to be clear. my parents are zen buddhists, i grew up hanging around a zen center, i know the difference between buddhism and TM. (well, i don't actually know much about TM beyond maharishi jokes, but i know it's its own thing.) some of inland empire, to me, resonates with some buddhist ideas. whether it resonates with TM ideas, i don't know.

tipsy mothra (tipsy mothra), Wednesday, 13 December 2006 23:41 (seventeen years ago) link

OK, we cool. Torches DOWN. BTW, if you're interested:

TM site
Maharishi bio
Anti-TM site
Another critical site

ice bat f/k/a xero (ice bat f/k/a xero), Wednesday, 13 December 2006 23:55 (seventeen years ago) link

TM, Buddhism, it's all baloney anyway.

Tuomas (Tuomas), Thursday, 14 December 2006 08:24 (seventeen years ago) link

Lynch/Dern interview:

DL: Political intentions. Zero. Some people are very political [Dern raises her hand to indicate she is one of those people] and they'll see politics in everything. This is a world on its own and you just go into this world. When there are abstractions, people have varying interpretations, thoughts, about it. But it's the same with all film. It's so beautiful when the lights go down, the curtains open, and we get to go into a different world.

LD: The mere existence of this film is political. It is rare people are using their voice and doing what they want to do. David isn't trying to redefine cinema; he's defining his own voice. And we need more of that. So I think it's a highly political film.

http://www.greencine.com/article?action=view&articleID=380

Dr M (Dr Morbius), Friday, 15 December 2006 16:01 (seventeen years ago) link

huh - didn't know he and Altman had any kind of relationship, interesting.

Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 15 December 2006 17:19 (seventeen years ago) link

and another:

http://www.lacitybeat.com/article.php?id=4737&IssueNum=184


“It’s like this. At a certain point, you know exactly what it means for you … . If you don’t know what it means, then you have to think about it more to … put the final pieces together. It’s happened to me on lots of films, starting with Eraserhead, I didn’t know what this thing meant. I was building it, but I didn’t know what it all meant, and I was just going nuts. And I start reading the Bible. And I come upon this line, and I said, ‘That is it.’ And it described the whole thing to me.”

I chuckle to signal that I understand the futility of my next question but that it’s my job to ask it anyway: “What line was that?”

“I bet you were gonna ask that,” he says.

“Is this a question you decline to answer, or … ?”

“Yeah, yeah, yeah. Because it doesn’t matter. It would putrify the experience for other people. You work on a film so hard, to get it to feel correct as a whole … and then it’s done. You don’t want to talk about it. It’s cinema! Why break it down and try to put it into words? It’s the language of cinema. It exists that way, for a reason: there it is. It’s on its own. It shouldn’t be taken away from or added to.”

Dr M (Dr Morbius), Friday, 15 December 2006 17:26 (seventeen years ago) link

So how bootylicious is Justin Theroux in this film?

Alfred Soto (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 15 December 2006 17:34 (seventeen years ago) link

I find him kinda repulsive.

Dr M (Dr Morbius), Friday, 15 December 2006 17:43 (seventeen years ago) link

Bleh. He was the only reason to briefly watch "Six Feet Under."

Alfred Soto (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 15 December 2006 18:32 (seventeen years ago) link

he has a weird style in this

this is cutty (mcutt), Friday, 15 December 2006 20:11 (seventeen years ago) link

ie, sleazy rockabilly actor playing Southern gentleman and weeping nightmare fuck

Dr M (Dr Morbius), Friday, 15 December 2006 20:43 (seventeen years ago) link

goddammit I cannot wait to see this

Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 15 December 2006 20:57 (seventeen years ago) link

i am seeing this in a couple of hours

cousin larry bundgee (bundgee), Friday, 15 December 2006 21:23 (seventeen years ago) link

jesus, what a movie

cousin larry bundgee (bundgee), Saturday, 16 December 2006 05:31 (seventeen years ago) link

i saw it at a weekday matinee. while i was waiting in line before they opened the auditorium, there was an older couple -- late 60s or so -- behind me talking with a guy of similar vintage they'd just met. the woman from the couple asked him, "do you know a restaurant around here that sells pie?" the guy said, "oh, i just at the waverly diner." "the WAVERLY!" the woman said, "i think that's it. do they sell pie?" "oh yeah, they got pie. lotsa stuff." the woman turned to her companion (who she had introduced as a "friend," so maybe a sort of widow's boyfriend or something) and said, "did you hear that? he says he knows the restaurant." "well there you go," said her companion. "they have pie!" she said. "how about that," her companion said. "is the pie good?" she asked, turning back to the new acquaintance. "oh yeah, sure, everything's good," he said. "it's a good place. i saw mayor koch in there last month!" "is that right," the woman said. "did you hear that," she said to her companion, "he saw mayor koch!" "how about that," her companion said. "well," she said, "all i could remember was there was a restaurant we used to go to near here that had very good pie."

as i was walking out of the theater after the movie, i saw the woman's companion stretching his arms and yawning. "well," he said, turning toward her, "what was that about?"

tipsy mothra (tipsy mothra), Saturday, 16 December 2006 05:40 (seventeen years ago) link

sure is nice that this is playing absolutely nowhere near me. sure is nice resisting the urge to pirate it. ugh.

hm (modestmickey), Saturday, 16 December 2006 05:46 (seventeen years ago) link

i have a video that will help you make your decision

cousin larry bundgee (bundgee), Saturday, 16 December 2006 05:56 (seventeen years ago) link

haha surely that pie couple was some kind of Lynchian guerilla marketing.

walterkranz (walterkranz), Saturday, 16 December 2006 06:19 (seventeen years ago) link

Laura Dern is on the Late Late show and Carson Daly next week. Ho boy.

Michael F Gill (Michael F Gill), Saturday, 16 December 2006 13:52 (seventeen years ago) link

an appropriate name for mr daly.

latebloomer's mayan name is tapir ballz (clonefeed), Saturday, 16 December 2006 19:09 (seventeen years ago) link


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