If Gingrich does amass an early lead against Romney, I would not be too surprised to see a late-entrant whom establishment Republicans could rally behind.
― o. nate, Friday, 9 December 2011 19:22 (twelve years ago) link
i would, that person doesn't exist
― slandblox goole, Friday, 9 December 2011 19:23 (twelve years ago) link
^^^
― Shakey Mo Collier, Friday, 9 December 2011 19:24 (twelve years ago) link
It'd be too late. Delegates promise themselves to candidates months in advance; it'd take a lot of scrambling to get them to swtich.
― Lord Sotosyn, Friday, 9 December 2011 19:24 (twelve years ago) link
also that person has no route to securing the number of delegates required
xpp
Those are all serious difficulties, true, but I think the need to have someone who could stop Newt would be so great that otherwise improbable things could become possible, as Klein put it.
― o. nate, Friday, 9 December 2011 19:27 (twelve years ago) link
lol Rove in total damage control mode
there is no way a long primary benefits the GOP - it drains money for one thing
― Shakey Mo Collier, Friday, 9 December 2011 19:37 (twelve years ago) link
yes he explained that twaddle to George Stephanopoulus this morning
― Lord Sotosyn, Friday, 9 December 2011 19:39 (twelve years ago) link
Kristol had something yesterday on the white-horse idea:
http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/gop-s-valentine-s-day-option_611730.html
Really seems delusional to me.
― clemenza, Friday, 9 December 2011 19:40 (twelve years ago) link
I mean I love that he equates the state of the current GOP with the state of the Dems in 2008 but it's just demonstrably untrue - as I think Nate Silver pointed out about 2008, the Dems would have unified behind either frontrunner. The GOP shows no such eagerness to unify.
xp
― Shakey Mo Collier, Friday, 9 December 2011 19:41 (twelve years ago) link
Kristol is delusional 24/7 god I hate that guy
There is a precedent to the "white knight" scenario. In this case the 1976 Democratic primary, in which the more liberal/Northern wing got scared by Carter's ascendance and fielded Church and Brown as late candidates - too late, in that case, though they won several late primaries.
― o. nate, Friday, 9 December 2011 19:45 (twelve years ago) link
they did not get the nomination tho
― Shakey Mo Collier, Friday, 9 December 2011 19:46 (twelve years ago) link
the dem primary in 2008 involved the varied spectrum of the left-center-right leaning dems taking (pretty sure anyway..) while the gop split involves the insane rump of the party refusing to sign on with anyone remotely sane
― mayor jingleberriez, Friday, 9 December 2011 19:47 (twelve years ago) link
Kristol's article, key quote:
"...another establishment Republican could enter the race in early February and still compete directly in states with at least 1,200 of the 2,282 or so GOP delegates..."
1200 of 2282? So this mystery contender would pop in out of nowhere and sweep the board by winning 95% of the remaining delegates? This is straight up delusion.
― Aimless, Friday, 9 December 2011 19:55 (twelve years ago) link
such a hateful buffoon, he's a disgrace to journalism
― Shakey Mo Collier, Friday, 9 December 2011 19:56 (twelve years ago) link
you really have to read anything from bill kristol as coming from bizarro world
Read the whole thing, with its charts of when delegates will be chosen and its discussion of filing deadlines. It wouldn’t be easy to pull off a late draft or a late entry, but it’s not as impossible as conventional wisdom assumes.
The key, I think, would be if both Romney and Gingrich stumbled during January. If that were to happen, there would be a window of opportunity in February—during the gap between the first spurt of January primaries and Super Tuesday on March 6. The window probably closes around Valentine’s Day—Tuesday, February 14—so let’s call the late entry the Valentine’s Day option. That could be the last chance (unless there’s a deadlocked convention, which isn’t totally outside the realm of possibility either) for Republicans to throw off the old suitors and run into the arms of a new Prince Charming. Or two. And Valentine’s Day is for the young.
translation: the conventional wisdom is true, we are pretty much fucked.
― slandblox goole, Friday, 9 December 2011 19:57 (twelve years ago) link
ryan-rubio! *eyroll*
― slandblox goole, Friday, 9 December 2011 19:58 (twelve years ago) link
1200 of 2282? So this mystery contender would pop in out of nowhere and sweep the board by winning 95% of the remaining delegates? This is straight up delusion
They wouldn't need to win 95% of the remaining delegates because presumably the front-runner at that point wouldn't have 100% of the already-awarded delegates. A simple plurality would be enough.
― o. nate, Friday, 9 December 2011 20:00 (twelve years ago) link
Plurality would be enough to deadlock the convention, perhaps, but not enough to win. Besides, there ain't no white knights waiting out there for the draft.
― Aimless, Friday, 9 December 2011 20:02 (twelve years ago) link
Silly above and beyond all the rest: the idea that Paul Ryan would be a good candidate to send into a general. Wasn't there a swift and pronounced push back against his budget both within and without the party?
― clemenza, Friday, 9 December 2011 20:03 (twelve years ago) link
Besides, there ain't no white knights waiting out there for the draft.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/89/Sarah_Palin_Germany_3_Cropped_Lightened.JPG/170px-Sarah_Palin_Germany_3_Cropped_Lightened.JPG
Oh wait.
― Ned Raggett, Friday, 9 December 2011 20:05 (twelve years ago) link
1) there are no candidates out there with that drawing power. if there were, they would have run already2) if they enter late they have 0% of the already awarded delegates, so they would need 95% of the remaining delegates to secure a majority for the nomination. otherwise they just muddy the field even worse and the end result is a brokered convention.
― Shakey Mo Collier, Friday, 9 December 2011 20:06 (twelve years ago) link
― slandblox goole, Friday, December 9, 2011 2:23 PM (41 minutes ago)
silver says he'd put the % of this happening at 5-10, which i don't really see either
― k3vin k., Friday, 9 December 2011 20:07 (twelve years ago) link
there are no candidates out there with that drawing power. if there were, they would have run already
make it happen GOP.
http://www.thefastertimes.com/files/2010/11/Jeb-Bush.JPG.jpg
― Daniel, Esq., Friday, 9 December 2011 20:08 (twelve years ago) link
Kristol throws out wild stuff almost every Sunday, then just ploughs ahead with something new a few weeks or few months later as if it never happened. You'd think he'd love Gingrich.
I'm quite sure Palin is dreaming the dream furiously. I'd be happy with Gingrich as the next-most-entertaining/next-most-erratic after her.
― clemenza, Friday, 9 December 2011 20:09 (twelve years ago) link
I'd be happy with Gingrich as the next-most-entertaining/next-most-erratic after her.
read this as "next most erotic," and got sick a little.
― Daniel, Esq., Friday, 9 December 2011 20:11 (twelve years ago) link
Man, I'm lucky I didn't pick that post for a Freudian slip.
― clemenza, Friday, 9 December 2011 20:12 (twelve years ago) link
gingrich-palin fanfic
― flexidisc, Friday, 9 December 2011 20:12 (twelve years ago) link
oh that ^^^^^ idea is horrible.
― Daniel, Esq., Friday, 9 December 2011 20:13 (twelve years ago) link
The 22nd amendment:
Section 1. No person shall be elected to the office of the President more than twice, and no person who has held the office of President, or acted as President, for more than two years of a term to which some other person was elected President shall be elected to the office of the President more than once.
The way I read this, GW Bush could run for Vice President, with Jeb at the top of the ticket!
― Aimless, Friday, 9 December 2011 20:15 (twelve years ago) link
President Newt will deal with that amendment in due course.
― clemenza, Friday, 9 December 2011 20:17 (twelve years ago) link
well, then jeb's VP could be . . . oh, i don't know
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_KxT3bZCpsqw/SOlij2VAmoI/AAAAAAAACho/ibVig12dRCk/s400/cheney.jpg
anyone else, i guess.
― Daniel, Esq., Friday, 9 December 2011 20:18 (twelve years ago) link
Chris Moody @Chris_Moody -- RT @seanhannity Trump's Debate for the candidates is a go!
hell yeah
― Daniel, Esq., Friday, 9 December 2011 20:34 (twelve years ago) link
it's good to know that, in america -- where we value freedom, toughness, and rugged individualism -- a blowhard, imbecile millionaire can still host a debate even if almost all the candidates don't show up.
― Daniel, Esq., Friday, 9 December 2011 20:36 (twelve years ago) link
re: Michele Bachman:
"She came up to see me four times. She would call me and ask me for advice," Trump said. "She said if she wins, she would like to think about me for the vice presidency. Most importantly, I did a two-hour phone call for her with her people. ... And after all that, she announced she was not going to do the debate. It's called loyalty. How do you do that? It's amazing to me."
― Shakey Mo Collier, Friday, 9 December 2011 20:41 (twelve years ago) link
Trump event is gonna be cancelled now, c'mon
yeah, love that bachmann quote.
donald trump is an amazing windbag. and such a real-estate guy: all bluster, all the time. really an embarrassment to the GOP. he (and, truthfully, "candidates" like herman cain) lower the party by using its machinery as a personal platform. i've never seen anything quite like it.
― Daniel, Esq., Friday, 9 December 2011 20:43 (twelve years ago) link
Fear and loathing in the salt mines (enjoy the comments):
http://hotair.com/archives/2011/12/09/second-look-at-a-brokered-convention/
― Ned Raggett, Friday, 9 December 2011 20:43 (twelve years ago) link
Let’s face it: the Republican primary field is exceptionally, historically weak. If it would be possible to draft Palin, Ryan, Jindal, Daniels or maybe even Christie, I’d support a brokered convention. I frankly don’t care if Palin, Daniels, and Christie have ‘family reasons’. Military families of deployed service members suffer a great deal more than unfair and unflattering media attention, yet those service members still deploy. Time to put country first. Time to man or woman up and be the patriot you claim to be.troyriser_gopftw on December 9, 2011
troyriser_gopftw on December 9, 2011
― Ned Raggett, Friday, 9 December 2011 20:44 (twelve years ago) link
WOMAN UP
― Shakey Mo Collier, Friday, 9 December 2011 20:56 (twelve years ago) link
talkin to you Jindal
lol
― Daniel, Esq., Friday, 9 December 2011 20:57 (twelve years ago) link
would love it if Bobby got in the ring for realz
― Shakey Mo Collier, Friday, 9 December 2011 20:57 (twelve years ago) link
like an MMA-type ring?
against sarah palin, maybe?
― Daniel, Esq., Friday, 9 December 2011 20:59 (twelve years ago) link
Okay imagining Bobby Jindal covering G'n'R's "Get in the Ring" has me deeply entertained.
― Ned Raggett, Friday, 9 December 2011 21:00 (twelve years ago) link
I dunno what this is, but if it's like a WWF ring then yes
― Shakey Mo Collier, Friday, 9 December 2011 21:01 (twelve years ago) link
lol. hope palin's entrance music is that black-sabbath song that bevis and butthead always rock-out to.
― Daniel, Esq., Friday, 9 December 2011 21:02 (twelve years ago) link
Jindal seems like the type who would go crazy and bite an ear off a motherfucker
― Shakey Mo Collier, Friday, 9 December 2011 21:03 (twelve years ago) link
http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2011/12/another-oops-rick-perry-misstates-number-of-supreme-court-justices/
― k3vin k., Friday, 9 December 2011 21:06 (twelve years ago) link