damn! CV, they're both awesome. second one is so interesting. what was the aftermath of you shooting the first, the guy just crankily looking at you for invading his personal zone? (i am not a v in-yr-face photographer but the times i am i find i can usually get away with seeming to just be fucking with my camera or photographing something else).
really psyched to go back to my folks' place for the holidays because imma scan some old photos, everything i've looked at since i've been scanning stuff being from the past three, four years. that high school landscape is dope tho.
― Never translate German (schlump), Thursday, 8 December 2011 11:23 (twelve years ago) link
this also booming btw: http://www.flickr.com/photos/altairnouveau/6373831907/sizes/l/in/photostream/
― Never translate German (schlump), Thursday, 8 December 2011 11:45 (twelve years ago) link
the aftermath was just that I kept walking and so did he. I hardly ever have any trouble at all. if people even notice they just kinda look momentarily confused but rarely even slow down aside from some notable times that I could count on two hands. dunno if I'd have similar reactions in other cities or what...the thing about the high school photo is I dunno if it would even look so good if I shot it now! like the framing was probably even accidental! the point and shoot I was using is so imprecise that there's no way I was really intentionally lining up the sign like that.
― chinavision, Thursday, 8 December 2011 12:09 (twelve years ago) link
ha, sure. there are ten zillion things that go into why a photo is good so it isn't like all the credit goes to your framing expertise anyway. it's great.
looking at those, the first one especially (which seems so like 'contemporary new york', to me, & which you would kinda hope will richen w/age), i just wondered about going back to the idea of presenting photos, do you-all ever think of collecting your stuff? i just mean broadly, what your thoughts are; it was inspiring to me to see grady's book/pamphlet (online, i haven't bought one yet, it'll happen), & part of me thought i should make some kind of something full of mine (i think i eventually decided against this because they look good enough online & i don't think are neatly cohesive enough to necessarily form a book or w/e). & none of this necessarily relates to like kickstarted attempts to raise $20000 for printing at Peru's finest press or anything; i just mean on any scale. do you guys, ILP in exile, consider it?
― Never translate German (schlump), Thursday, 8 December 2011 12:19 (twelve years ago) link
I have been really impressed with (and inspired by) the photography of Missy Prince of late
http://lpvmagazine.com/2011/07/missy-prince/
Came across her quite randomly and wonder what you photography types think!
― OCCUPY DEPRESSION (Fotherington Thomas), Thursday, 8 December 2011 13:12 (twelve years ago) link
Funnily enough, that first photo reminds me of Lelant Saltings in Hale, Cornwall.
― Jilted John and Marsha (MarkG oo la showaddywaddy), Thursday, 8 December 2011 13:16 (twelve years ago) link
yeah they're real nice, FT. & interesting. obv the colours are very good but the angles seem kinda unusual too.
interesting that she mentions wenders' photography; I can only think of one WW photo i've seen, which I liked a bunch & hadn't ever followed up on
(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-smbhN1h_fFg/Tkr1QR3peYI/AAAAAAAACR4/Zh8DhLInVBk/s1600/wenders.coke.jpg, fwiw)
― Never translate German (schlump), Thursday, 8 December 2011 14:06 (twelve years ago) link
also just skipping the interim detailing of how i looked up wenders and found nice photos he took, does anyone have any experience w/HORIZON CAMERAS?, the panoramic originally russian now maybe lomo-fied (lomotomised?, lol) ones? they look fun
― Never translate German (schlump), Thursday, 8 December 2011 14:17 (twelve years ago) link
& none of this necessarily relates to like kickstarted attempts to raise $20000 for printing at Peru's finest press or anything; i just mean on any scale. do you guys, ILP in exile, consider it?
http://www.blurb.com/bookstore/detail/2689556
― milo z, Thursday, 8 December 2011 14:42 (twelve years ago) link
oh that's neat; lol at some of the photos also. that's a nice idea. i mean, you know when you get ex-libris titles in which plates have been stuck or glued? i kinda wonder whether that's an option, too; i mean there's a line between crumply photo album & ~book~ but i feel like even hand-making an edition of one w/photographic prints would be neat in a lot of ways
― Never translate German (schlump), Thursday, 8 December 2011 15:05 (twelve years ago) link
the idea of putting together some sort of book is appealing, but I just don't know how I'd have the time?I don't even have any meaningful prints really. if I put in most of my editing work on the computer, then I don't know what makes sense... dig out the negatives and get them enlarged someplace? print from the digital scans? somehow that feels wrong.
― chinavision, Friday, 9 December 2011 02:23 (twelve years ago) link
ctein over at top is an advocate of printing from scans for negatives - you have much more control over the printing process and editing than you would in a traditional darkroom
― dayo, Friday, 9 December 2011 02:25 (twelve years ago) link
huh.. guess I figured I'd be losing out on "the magic" or something. nice to know that it isn't considered a dead end!
― chinavision, Friday, 9 December 2011 02:57 (twelve years ago) link
well you get much more precise control over stuff like tonality and gradation and color shifts etc. you control more variables
and since you have a dedicated 35mm I imagine it's no slouch!
― dayo, Friday, 9 December 2011 03:05 (twelve years ago) link
it's not bad, although prob not the best in the world. I need to get my hands on a decent printer so I can sink further into the photography time hole.
― chinavision, Friday, 9 December 2011 03:09 (twelve years ago) link
Stephen Shore has also gone entirely to digital output. I liked printing color in a darkroom, but it's hard to beat the control and archival qualities of a good inkjet print.
― milo z, Friday, 9 December 2011 05:50 (twelve years ago) link
http://lens.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/12/08/alex-webbs-dialogue-with-the-streets/
― dayo, Friday, 9 December 2011 12:41 (twelve years ago) link
xp yeah, I gotta think that digital printing works best with color prints
Those Alex Webb pictures are stellar.
― chinavision, Friday, 9 December 2011 14:10 (twelve years ago) link
http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7004/6457815743_fa0f685285.jpgminers by dysign, on Flickr
― sir thermo of thinwall, Friday, 9 December 2011 15:25 (twelve years ago) link
woot!
oh - it did work. disregard previous woot.
http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7017/6457818407_f589976dac_b.jpg
― sir thermo of thinwall, Friday, 9 December 2011 15:26 (twelve years ago) link
huh. sorry that is so big.
10 more pix
http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7010/6484935243_c675119bd0_z.jpg
http://ihardlyknowher.com/idiotcervantes/big
― dayo, Saturday, 10 December 2011 04:06 (twelve years ago) link
dayo, is there actually such a pervasive sense of quiet, anomic despair on the streets in HK, or do you shelve the photos of people going about not seemingly contemplating their insignificance? yr photz are so good & they have such a strong feeling to them. sorta like tsai ming-liang's taiwan
― Never translate German (schlump), Saturday, 10 December 2011 10:46 (twelve years ago) link
aw thanks schlump! no there are tons of happy people in HK I just don't take pictures of them :< I keep thinking about this idea that I read in a gerry badger book that he got from somebody else prob that photography is a medium best suited for melancholy and I wonder how true that is
― dayo, Saturday, 10 December 2011 11:50 (twelve years ago) link
ha that's interesting. i saw Geoff Dyer give a talk about photography recently & he was maybe slightly mythically talking about the photographers in the '60s & '70s loving the empty streets, or the "built environment" "haunted" by "lone figures", which you can obv bring a lot of evidence for (i'm not good w/names but obv there are a few of those classic NY guys shooting outta their windows). all of which seems to feed an idea of melancholia - the people faceless & far away & made Keaton-ishly small by the dominance of the city &c&c&c. i think it is def a poignant thing - a kinda break or paradox or something - to be able to get on film, cf Frank's elevator girl maybe.
the idea of putting together some sort of book is appealing, but I just don't know how I'd have the time?
but china you LOVE SCANNING, c'mon throw yourself into it. i know what you mean. i have been so pleased w/how things have looked on screen that the impetus to do much with physical prints has become smaller, but i can see the kind of 'cohesive' / 'physical object' appeal of a book. i think i have less of a priority of things looking their best than you guys (i guess bc my photography is so much better?, & i am sorta a more original visual thinker?, & bad facsimiles of my photos are still superior to well-rendered representations of allay'all's? no idk i just mean i don't go that extra mile re: good scans), but just making an object even if it were sorta hand-made would still mean something to me, i think.
here is another tangent: has anyone ever really fucked w/their negatives, much? the violence of it can be so striking & disarming, seeing it in (again) Frank's later work, it is a wild thing to me. i wish there were more crossover between a couple of the ilx filmmakers & the ilp cru bc i feel like i've read some super-eighters talk about the physicality of celluloid interestingly before
― Never translate German (schlump), Saturday, 10 December 2011 15:56 (twelve years ago) link
lol I was going to post about how frank's elevator girl is maybe my most favorite photograph ever but I see you got there first!
― dayo, Saturday, 10 December 2011 16:04 (twelve years ago) link
ha. i can't even choose that way. i know i posted this maybe a while ago, re: discussion of crowds vs emptiness, but my reflex pick for fav photo is this b/w eggleston, which actually sorta seems relevant to the same point of like, 'dislocation in built environments', &c. for frank jeez who could choose, i always liked the guy hugging the girl but it could be one of a million. & yeah the elevator girl is allllll time.
also fond of this photo of christina carter by Benoit Chaput ("after bagels & coffee, 2004")
http://www.manybreaths.com/images/photos/45.jpg
& a photo of my grandparents that i don't have a scan of.
― Never translate German (schlump), Saturday, 10 December 2011 16:28 (twelve years ago) link
aw that eggleston is a seriously great photo. the shadow on the lawn, some kind of split. wish I could see it bigger.
― dayo, Saturday, 10 December 2011 17:14 (twelve years ago) link
ah, frustrating i can't find it any bigger; was so psyched at his whitney show to see it, a slightly damaged print, not so big. the guy in it is holding his spectacles in his right hand & looks sorta dazed, which w/o being too prescriptive is just perfect, what w/it being such almost cartoonish "the american suburbs" in the backdrop. HOW DID I GET HERE?.
all this egglestoning reminds me, i've still never seen either of the documentaries about him, but i watched this clip a couple of days ago:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1R8wQ7YFSxs
which would only persuaded me to watch it for the lols. it's like that great saul leiter interview from a while back. documentarians bringing too much to the table.
― Never translate German (schlump), Saturday, 10 December 2011 17:22 (twelve years ago) link
I love that Christina Carter photo, her sleepiness and the messy, domestic scene
― lebateauivre, Saturday, 10 December 2011 17:24 (twelve years ago) link
yeah it just propaganda for breakfast that photo, you want to inhabit it. she is a totally radiant subject anyway but that photo has so much going for it.
― Never translate German (schlump), Saturday, 10 December 2011 17:30 (twelve years ago) link
I saw a film about eggleston once, can't remember what it was called. I like the stories about him driving around in a cadillac, wearing white cotton gloves.
― dayo, Saturday, 10 December 2011 17:32 (twelve years ago) link
he is so cool in every photo i have ever seen of him. that sounds dumb & teenagishly impressed but i just mean i guess they all contribute to my idea of him as exactly what you expect/hope, this southern guy packing a camera & crouching to shoot a few times a day.
― Never translate German (schlump), Saturday, 10 December 2011 17:36 (twelve years ago) link
yes ^^^
http://pushedbuttonsburning-in.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/08/Maude_Schuyler_Clay_William_Eggleston.jpg
― dayo, Saturday, 10 December 2011 17:39 (twelve years ago) link
posting this again
http://www.shanelavalette.com/images/journal/egglestonandlynch.jpg
― dayo, Saturday, 10 December 2011 17:40 (twelve years ago) link
oh hey btw
did you ever get to your copy of for now, btw? everytime i see things from it online i get closer to buying it, & i am not a buy-photo-books kinda guy, really
xp lol yesactually trying to find a couple of others from i think an essay i read a while ago by a friend of his, w/some candid shots of him hanging out/shooting on a porch, on the street, &c, hm.
― Never translate German (schlump), Saturday, 10 December 2011 17:41 (twelve years ago) link
yeah I have for now at home, haven't looked at it, along with a billion other books. I think all my discretionary spending goes towards booze and photography stuff. will look at over break
― dayo, Saturday, 10 December 2011 17:45 (twelve years ago) link
ha, okay. i have a couple eggleston books which i guess i don't just pick up & look through often enough, so maybe it's that that is dissuading me. spending on photography stuff = p good plan i think. going places is the most meritous thing i can think to do with money & that's a good fit w/taking photos also.
http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lbgmzbdigt1qbiq3oo1_500.jpg
― Never translate German (schlump), Saturday, 10 December 2011 17:47 (twelve years ago) link
^ the southern gentleman ferris bueller
― Never translate German (schlump), Saturday, 10 December 2011 17:48 (twelve years ago) link
I assume Eggleston is drunk 90% of the time. That's probably completely unfair, but it feels right. I saw the documentary (William Eggleston in the Real World) a few years ago, but he's so spacy and evasive I don't think I got anything about his work from it. Pretty sure all of it is online via Youtube.
I've never seen my favorite photograph online - it's from Eugene Richards's 'Americans We' book, a homeless man holding his dog to his chest like it's the last good thing on Earth.http://i1118.photobucket.com/albums/k607/milosz999/photo.jpg
― milo z, Saturday, 10 December 2011 20:18 (twelve years ago) link
I got lucky and found a cache of Richards's early books at a used store. Dorchester Days, Americans We & Cocaine True Cocaine Blue are amazing
― milo z, Saturday, 10 December 2011 20:20 (twelve years ago) link
aw milo - http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2065292/Loyal-end-Chinese-dog-refuses-budge-late-master-s-graveside-seven-days-food.html
― dayo, Saturday, 10 December 2011 22:33 (twelve years ago) link
I saw the documentary (William Eggleston in the Real World) a few years ago, but he's so spacy and evasive I don't think I got anything about his work from it. Pretty sure all of it is online via Youtube.
yeah this is the one I saw I think. he has a very calm way of photographing - so peaceful, taken by the moment.
― dayo, Sunday, 11 December 2011 02:08 (twelve years ago) link
There's nothing like watching great photographers photograph to get you in the mood. Eggleston's causal ease, Garry Winogrand's uptight camera-clutching and motormouth, etc. Love the way that Eggleston is so smooth, while others do the sort of lurch-and-lunge thing that we're used to seeing in a crowd.Hitting that shutter always feels so good!
― chinavision, Monday, 12 December 2011 02:15 (twelve years ago) link
theriobook.com
David Alan Harvey set up a blog documenting his most recent trip to Rio for his new book project. $1.99 for access to all the posts he's made - I'm about halfway through and it's pretty interesting. Less documentary on shooting, more behind the scenes of No Reservations - DAH is at a party! - since you're seeing photos from him while shooting, rather than other people following him.
― milo z, Monday, 12 December 2011 03:06 (twelve years ago) link
he responds to a lot of the comments on each post, which might be more informative, I'm mostly just looking at the pictures and reading his posts now.
― milo z, Monday, 12 December 2011 03:08 (twelve years ago) link
As ever, I got nothing goin' on except kids' parties, work parties and the ever-present commute. So, a couple from the last category then...
http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7034/6530682523_1171a5a8f5_z.jpg
http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7164/6530681013_c5a55efb03_z.jpg
― Michael Jones, Sunday, 18 December 2011 17:45 (twelve years ago) link