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Thanks for the linkage.

Nu-Edward III (edward iii), Tuesday, 13 February 2007 21:32 (seventeen years ago) link

Too many people running around blaming everything/anything on it. No snow this season OH NOES GLOBAL WARMING.

this is such a huge problem - that and that sort of 'well, gee, who minds a bit of global warming if it means we get lovely balmy summers!' stuff. I think that's why people are trying to popularise the term 'climate change' instead - from what I've heard, the forecasts are for more extreme weather and raised global temperature overall, not for the same weather we've always had but a couple of degrees warmer all round. And then it's "what do these scientists know, going on about global warming when we've had the best snowfall in ten years - so much for that, eh" and a growing distrust of science, when the thing to blame isn't the scientists or their science, but the simplistic spin put on scientific discoveries by certain laymen.

cis boom bah (cis), Tuesday, 13 February 2007 22:50 (seventeen years ago) link

In fairness, if I was a climate change scientist bod type, and I had been telling people for thirty years that this kind of thing was going to happen, I think I would start to acquire a certain single-mindedness over time, even if I didn't have one to begin with.

accentmonkey (accentmonkey), Tuesday, 13 February 2007 23:09 (seventeen years ago) link

I particularly liked the Independent cover the week before last about what happens when the *average* global temperature raises, from 1 degree up to 6 degrees (most life on earth eradicated)

Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Wednesday, 14 February 2007 11:08 (seventeen years ago) link

Oh, M.White! I looked up the author of my book - it is neither of the ones that I posted up there - it is called The Lost Villages of Britain by Richard Muir.

WRT to the kerfuffle above, I think there is a distinction between "I am a climate change sceptic" and "I don't believe that climate change is responsible for beach erosion in Wales."

I'm giving Nu-Edward the benefit of the doubt that he meant the latter. However, I don't think it's really rational to cling to the former view after overwhelming evidence.

masonic boom (kate), Wednesday, 14 February 2007 11:15 (seventeen years ago) link

When you posted the words "Apparently Antarctica is getting colder", what were you trying to contribute to the conversation?

obviously i was just trying to wind you up into dropping the Science - with attitude. many thanks.

resumo impetus (blueski), Wednesday, 14 February 2007 11:17 (seventeen years ago) link

nu-edward and cis both OTM really. the term 'climate change' doesn't help because it doesn't empthasise how accelerated the process has been by people and their pollution - tho i suppose this is just assumed if not implied some other way. climates have always been changeable albeit over much longer periods of time than we're seeing now.

resumo impetus (blueski), Wednesday, 14 February 2007 11:23 (seventeen years ago) link

I'm surprised no-one seems to have come up with the Pascal's Wager argument for convincing climate change sceptics - i.e. the cost of doing something now, even if it turns out that we were wrong and didn't need to do anything, is much lower - astronomically lower probably - than if we don't do anything now and it turns out that we should have done.

ledge (ledge), Wednesday, 14 February 2007 13:22 (seventeen years ago) link

OTOH you would have thought that cutting down on energy usage in general is a no-brainer because it SAVES MONEY, but it doesn't seem to work like that.

ledge (ledge), Wednesday, 14 February 2007 13:39 (seventeen years ago) link

why do they still sell non-energy saving lightbulbs?

resumo impetus (blueski), Wednesday, 14 February 2007 13:39 (seventeen years ago) link

Because to force a single option upon consumers is to deny the god of CHOICE.

ledge (ledge), Wednesday, 14 February 2007 13:41 (seventeen years ago) link

Because some people (eg. my parents) have light fittings that won't take energy-saving bulbs, or at least not any I've seen.

(mind you, they don't take standard light bulbs anyway)

Forest Pines (ForestPines), Wednesday, 14 February 2007 13:43 (seventeen years ago) link

that seems very unusual to me

resumo impetus (blueski), Wednesday, 14 February 2007 13:45 (seventeen years ago) link

Well, when they got the light fittings, and found that they only took these particularly obscure bulbs, I said it seemed a little silly.

Forest Pines (ForestPines), Wednesday, 14 February 2007 13:47 (seventeen years ago) link

four years pass...

zooey is so annoying amirite

nice catch cuauhtemoc blanco niño (dayo), Friday, 30 December 2011 16:14 (twelve years ago) link

*gets annoyed furiously*

You failed, you didn’t eat the whole pizza (NotEnough), Friday, 30 December 2011 16:55 (twelve years ago) link

how can a grown woman in a tiara be considered anything but annoying? It cheapens the whole idea of irony.

Aimless, Friday, 30 December 2011 17:19 (twelve years ago) link

Why on earth did you pick ~this~ beautiful thread of Wales and lost villages to go reviving with this?

Also post Trugh Bombs thread I ultimately utterly suspect any man who dismisses any woman, ESP an attractive one, as "annoying"

Sheaths of ClammyCloth (Fotherington Thomas), Friday, 30 December 2011 17:33 (twelve years ago) link

FT both of my posts were continuations of long-running memes on ILX

nice catch cuauhtemoc blanco niño (dayo), Friday, 30 December 2011 17:35 (twelve years ago) link

personally I don't have any strong feelings about zooey deschanel except that maybe she shaves her armpits too frequently

nice catch cuauhtemoc blanco niño (dayo), Friday, 30 December 2011 17:35 (twelve years ago) link

drown both of them

By "insulted" I mean "engaged in amateur rock criticism." (step hen faps), Friday, 30 December 2011 17:43 (twelve years ago) link

Also post Trugh Bombs thread I ultimately utterly suspect any man who dismisses any woman, ESP an attractive one, as "annoying"

1. FT is the arbiter of who is attractive
2. Less attractive people can be more annoying

Got it

illegal crew member (C.K. Dexter Holland), Friday, 30 December 2011 20:08 (twelve years ago) link

INTERRUPTING COW!!!! MOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!

Sheaths of ClammyCloth (Fotherington Thomas), Friday, 30 December 2011 20:09 (twelve years ago) link

Wow, for someone who prides themselves on argument you sure are shit at it. (xpost to CKDH)

ZD is incredibly annoying, though.

Illia Rump (emil.y), Friday, 30 December 2011 20:11 (twelve years ago) link

Does no one remember Sunny Successor's pithy comment that started the Truth Bombs thread? Really?

HAVE WE ALL FORGOTTEN REAL ILX SO SOON?!?!?

Soon it'll be like that whole 11 years never happened and we'll wake up with Bobby G in the shower.

Sheaths of ClammyCloth (Fotherington Thomas), Friday, 30 December 2011 20:16 (twelve years ago) link

(I still want to know what on earth ZD has to do with Wales or drowned villages, though. Considering how much I loved drowned villages.)

Sheaths of ClammyCloth (Fotherington Thomas), Friday, 30 December 2011 20:16 (twelve years ago) link

I think it was something to do with Whiney wanting to drown-fuck her? Or... something. I never quite got the whole "Would Drown" thing.

Anyway, if "annoying" is potentially too gendered, can I at least call her an expasperating shithead? I fucking hate her 'quirky' 'wide-eyed innocent' 'ditz' schtick.

Illia Rump (emil.y), Friday, 30 December 2011 20:19 (twelve years ago) link

Um, EXASPERATING.

Illia Rump (emil.y), Friday, 30 December 2011 20:20 (twelve years ago) link

Does no one remember Sunny Successor's pithy comment that started the Truth Bombs thread? Really?

dayo's post was a joking reference to that exact post/meme!!

By "insulted" I mean "engaged in amateur rock criticism." (step hen faps), Friday, 30 December 2011 20:23 (twelve years ago) link

Is "would drown" a thing? Ugh, people are just so gross, and on Emsk's beautiful Welsh thread, as well.

SS's pithy quote was something like "when a guy calls a girl annoying, that's guy-speak for 'I want to fuck that chick' which is an instant break-up in my book."

So whenever I see a guy call a chick "annoying" I just think about that quote and laugh my head off. It renders a lot of ridiculous hate-threads much more interesting that way.

Sheaths of ClammyCloth (Fotherington Thomas), Friday, 30 December 2011 20:24 (twelve years ago) link

dayo's post was a joking reference to that exact post/meme!!

I did not know that "would drown" was even a thing! I had no idea what it was doing ~on this thread~ when i wanted Welsh villages lost beneath the sea!

Sheaths of ClammyCloth (Fotherington Thomas), Friday, 30 December 2011 20:25 (twelve years ago) link

FT, where you may have taken a wrong turn is in assuming that the detection of annoying properties in a person is tatamount to dismissing that person, as if they possess no further qualities worth noticing.

I find a grown woman who wears a tiara, however pretty she may be, to be annoying for however long as that tiara is in place. I can't help it. I feel the same way about men who do not ride horses, but who wear leather chaps. otoh, for all I know, they might both be very kind to stray cats and be capable of calculating how to divide the tip among a large group of people on a shared restaurant check.

Aimless, Friday, 30 December 2011 20:27 (twelve years ago) link

Is "would drown" a thing? it's a few fathoms deeper then jsut would drown

Carnitas, Friday, 30 December 2011 20:27 (twelve years ago) link

I NEVER SAID THAT FINDING A WOMAN ANNOYING WAS DISMISSING!!! I IMPLIED THAT FINDING A WOMAN ANNOYING MEANS YOU WANT TO FUCK HER!!!!!

The place where I took the wrong turn was not knowing that "would drown" is a thing in this world ILX!

Sheaths of ClammyCloth (Fotherington Thomas), Friday, 30 December 2011 20:28 (twelve years ago) link

Oh wait, I have reread my phrasing. I kinda did. hahahahahhahahaa

Sheaths of ClammyCloth (Fotherington Thomas), Friday, 30 December 2011 20:29 (twelve years ago) link

er. yeah. good catch.

Aimless, Friday, 30 December 2011 20:30 (twelve years ago) link

This is what happens when you're trying to follow three conversations at once.

PLEASE for the love of god, can we have some drowned Welsh villages now? Please?

Sheaths of ClammyCloth (Fotherington Thomas), Friday, 30 December 2011 20:30 (twelve years ago) link

FT,

zooey is so annoying amirite

― nice catch cuauhtemoc blanco niño (dayo), Friday, December 30, 2011 11:14 AM (4 hours ago) Bookmark Permalink

*gets annoyed furiously*

― You failed, you didn’t eat the whole pizza (NotEnough), Friday, December 30, 2011 11:55 AM (3 hours ago) Bookmark

this was a reference to sunny's t-bomb! I believe the follow-up post was to. I have referenced sunny's t-bomb many times before on ILX because it is very true.

nice catch cuauhtemoc blanco niño (dayo), Friday, 30 December 2011 20:30 (twelve years ago) link

drowning = a thread on ILX called 'battle of the doe-eyed, raven-haired sirens with irises like shimmering river water that i want to drown in '08' that whiney started

nice catch cuauhtemoc blanco niño (dayo), Friday, 30 December 2011 20:32 (twelve years ago) link

Ugh, I never thought I would say this about anyone but jesus h christ, whiney should be drowned like a Welsh Village, and never brought back up.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/cy/c/ca/Cofiwch_Tryweryn.jpg

Thanks for explaining, I'm feeling proper stupid now. Heh.

Sheaths of ClammyCloth (Fotherington Thomas), Friday, 30 December 2011 20:36 (twelve years ago) link

the 'drowning' = 'fucking' meme never lodged in me. i am hopeless at ilx memery

Aimless, Friday, 30 December 2011 20:37 (twelve years ago) link

Here is a Welsh village they didn't quite manage to drown.

http://static.laterooms.com/hotelphotos/laterooms/73592/gallery/lake-vyrnwy-classic-hotel-llanwddyn-nr-oswestry_030320091941214173.jpg

Whiney, tied to a bag of menhirs, thrown off this tower, would be too good for him.

(p.s. I may have a substantial amount of single malt Jura whisky in me at this point, so I should probably get off th'internet before getting even stupider.)

Sheaths of ClammyCloth (Fotherington Thomas), Friday, 30 December 2011 20:39 (twelve years ago) link

Haha, wait, so the whole drowning thing became a meme simply because of ambiguous grammar? Excellent work, guys.

Illia Rump (emil.y), Friday, 30 December 2011 20:39 (twelve years ago) link

haha no I think in the actual post he is quite explicit about wanting to drown them

nice catch cuauhtemoc blanco niño (dayo), Friday, 30 December 2011 20:40 (twelve years ago) link

no, emily's right.

By "insulted" I mean "engaged in amateur rock criticism." (step hen faps), Friday, 30 December 2011 20:42 (twelve years ago) link

FT has reached the Jurassic tipsying point?

Aimless, Friday, 30 December 2011 20:43 (twelve years ago) link

Drowned villages on the Jurassic Coast in Devon, no less!

http://www.southwestcoastpath.org.uk/img/gammonheadlg.jpg

(I am trying to find the Cornish drowned village in Mounts Bay but it is not happening yet. Stupid whisky.)

Sheaths of ClammyCloth (Fotherington Thomas), Friday, 30 December 2011 20:46 (twelve years ago) link

This is the Welsh drowned village proper:

http://fantasticjournal.blogspot.com/2009/09/village-of-damned.html

Sheaths of ClammyCloth (Fotherington Thomas), Friday, 30 December 2011 20:47 (twelve years ago) link

Eh, I dunno, Cornish wine is pretty canonical, they were certainly producing wine during the Roman occupation but then again, I think the climate was even milder then. I had drunk Cornish wine, but it was at a restaurant, I recall it being fairly nice, actually.

The idea of introducing (or reintroducing as the case may be- yes, yes, whisky was brought to Cornwall from Ireland by St Piran when he surfed over on a millstone, introducing both Catholicism and surfing to the counry at the same time) Dowr Toemm into Cornwall just strikes me as a supremely bad idea because the Cornish after Methodism made them give up drinking = inventing steam engines, amazing mine technology, building fantastical feats of engineering, sticking Wheals atop impossible chasms, etc. etc. while the Cornish plus Whisky = fish fights and brawling with the English.

But that's going to degenerate into another argument about ~racist stereotypes of "The Celts"~ with Tom D and Darraghmac.

Anyway, Cornish ZOIDER and Cornish mead is where it's at in terms of Cornish bouze gourmandising. Also ridiculous Skinners Ales of which I have never had a bad one.

None of this has anything to do with drowned villages but the unique combination of BOUZE and racist stereotypes of the British Isles is always a popular diversion on ILX. I should just give up and make an "I miss Cornwall so badly" thread and be done with it.

Dowr Toemm (Fotherington Thomas), Saturday, 31 December 2011 12:52 (twelve years ago) link

also he brought us some Cornish red wine which is like 17% and sort of pleasant but not in a way comparable to a real red wine

― Extreme Lifestyle, Saturday, December 31, 2011 11:33 AM (5 hours ago)

if it's over ~15.5% then it's fortified like port or madeira etc

Hongro4AS (nakhchivan), Saturday, 31 December 2011 17:07 (twelve years ago) link

good point - was labelled as a red wine tho so *shrug*

I am drinking a http://www.onlinebeerfestival.co.uk/acatalog/cornish_knocker.jpg atm, it is pretty decent and upholds their grand tradition of stupid labels for clowning aesthetes

Extreme Lifestyle, Saturday, 31 December 2011 17:21 (twelve years ago) link

Aye, that one is good indeed, but if you can find a http://www.skinnersbrewery.com/uploaded_images/ginger_tosser_clip.png <-- that is absolutely my favourite of them, bcuz I love a honeyed ale.

Dowr Toemm (Fotherington Thomas), Saturday, 31 December 2011 19:49 (twelve years ago) link


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