mccain didn't say shit himself cause he had sarah fucking palin ffs
― iatee, Wednesday, 7 December 2011 19:01 (twelve years ago) link
I'm still w/Sullivan in thinking that not adequately vetting his Veep basically cancelled any seriousness he might have claimed. It was a really dumb move.
― M. White, Wednesday, 7 December 2011 19:03 (twelve years ago) link
He was never serious, just old.
― Lord Sotosyn, Wednesday, 7 December 2011 19:04 (twelve years ago) link
sarah fucking palin
"that's my name, don't wear it out"
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-C5fsqBNluRQ/TffBsv8pI0I/AAAAAAAAEl4/0mJUILL2df0/s1600/11Sarah-Palin.jpg
― Daniel, Esq., Wednesday, 7 December 2011 19:04 (twelve years ago) link
It's okay for Sully to believe it because he's a nominal conservative.
she signs it that way, like ice motherfucking cubexp
― Never translate German (schlump), Wednesday, 7 December 2011 19:07 (twelve years ago) link
I dont get the 'no personal attacks on obama in 2008'. what was all that bullshit about his pastor we had to hear about for like 6 fucking months?
― mayor jingleberriez, Wednesday, 7 December 2011 19:12 (twelve years ago) link
The equivalent of swift-boating, grandson to red-baiting.
― M. White, Wednesday, 7 December 2011 19:13 (twelve years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0PAJNntoRgA&feature=youtu.be
― polyphonic, Wednesday, 7 December 2011 19:18 (twelve years ago) link
what is up with that guy?
― Daniel, Esq., Wednesday, 7 December 2011 19:20 (twelve years ago) link
gay+drunk
― Shakey Mo Collier, Wednesday, 7 December 2011 19:20 (twelve years ago) link
there's something wrong with this country when gays can serve openly in the military but our kids can't openly celebrate christmas
omg
― the deli llama, Wednesday, 7 December 2011 19:23 (twelve years ago) link
he's at .7% on intrade right now...that's a pretty decent gamble.
― iatee, Wednesday, 7 December 2011 19:23 (twelve years ago) link
... who said our kids can't openly celebrate Christmas
I mean, the stores certainly seem to be encouraging the celebration of everything
― OH NOES, Wednesday, 7 December 2011 19:23 (twelve years ago) link
It's the War On Christmas all over again! Will this horror never end?
― Aimless, Wednesday, 7 December 2011 19:27 (twelve years ago) link
but our kids can't openly celebrate christmas
LOL, this reminds me of ppl who misrepresent the 1st Amendment
― M. White, Wednesday, 7 December 2011 19:27 (twelve years ago) link
Sully linked to this:
Rick Perry opposes the swift and meaningful U.S. responses to human rights abuses of LGBT persons abroad. And he would never ever engage International Organizations in the fight against LGBT discrimination. Again, Perry sympathies with the abuser, not the victim.
Ideologically, it’s difficult to conceptualize a greater enemy to gay people. Santorum, perhaps. But never has there ever been in modern times a President who held the level of personal animosity that Rick Perry has for you. Not Eisenhower, not Nixon, not Johnson, not Reagan, and neither Bush. It is inconceivable that Perry could have the personal gay friendships of Reagan, the gay appointments of the Bushes, and certainly not the supportive views of Carter, Clinton, Ford, or Obama. None of the other credible GOP candidates, Romney, Gingrich, or even Bachmann would be worse.
We very seldom use the term “hate” to categorize a politicians views. It seldom is accurate. But I concur with Jim completely: Rick Perry hates you. Deeply.
― Lord Sotosyn, Wednesday, 7 December 2011 19:28 (twelve years ago) link
re: that video, man what a prick
― Never translate German (schlump), Wednesday, 7 December 2011 19:32 (twelve years ago) link
Apt metaphor.
― Lord Sotosyn, Wednesday, 7 December 2011 19:33 (twelve years ago) link
I think open celebration of Christmas is appalling. I would, perhaps, sign on to a don't-ask-don't-tell policy with regards to the celebration of Christmas.
― clemenza, Wednesday, 7 December 2011 19:34 (twelve years ago) link
just how awful do you want to be while you stroll up a hill in a jacket we can all relate to, what an asshole. i feel like the particular field of misrepresenting positions in ads & debates is its own little corridor of human awfulness
― Never translate German (schlump), Wednesday, 7 December 2011 19:36 (twelve years ago) link
the day after he's sworn in for his second term, pres. obama will sign two executive order, banning christmas celebrations -- anywhere -- and outlawing christianity -- everywhere. it is written in the stars.
― Daniel, Esq., Wednesday, 7 December 2011 19:40 (twelve years ago) link
Sad Erick Erickson is sad. (Keep in mind that for all his apparently heartfelt blather this is a guy who seems to use his Christianity as a get-out-of-jail-free/'we're all bad and I confess this every week at church!' card when he calls people goatfuckers on Twitter so if anything he should be sympathetic to Newt, really.)
― Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 7 December 2011 19:55 (twelve years ago) link
And by the way DARK HORSE.
― Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 7 December 2011 20:05 (twelve years ago) link
In all honesty and candor and recognizing we all fall short of the glory of God, I do not know that I can support a man who is on his third wife having cheated on his two prior wives. It is very much more the adultery than the marriages. Many of my friends have marriages that do not work out.
― Lord Sotosyn, Wednesday, 7 December 2011 21:09 (twelve years ago) link
lol @ the pining for Jeb Bush btw
― Shakey Mo Collier, Wednesday, 7 December 2011 21:11 (twelve years ago) link
The chatter about potential new entrants include former New York Mayor Rudy Giuliani, Indiana Gov. Mitch Daniels, businessman Donald Trump, Rep. Paul Ryan of Wisconsin and South Carolina Sen. Jim DeMint.
lol strong candidates here.
― Daniel, Esq., Wednesday, 7 December 2011 21:21 (twelve years ago) link
but i like the jeb bush idea!
the idea that the nation as a whole is not completely soured on the Bush family is hilarious
― Shakey Mo Collier, Wednesday, 7 December 2011 21:21 (twelve years ago) link
what about mark sanford? he only cheated on one wife
― mookieproof, Wednesday, 7 December 2011 21:23 (twelve years ago) link
but Romney cheated on a movement!
― Lord Sotosyn, Wednesday, 7 December 2011 21:23 (twelve years ago) link
I dunno, Shakey. I think Neil might have fit in nicely with some of the recent Pres candidates.
― M. White, Wednesday, 7 December 2011 21:28 (twelve years ago) link
the nation as a whole is soured on the Bush family
oh i know
― Daniel, Esq., Wednesday, 7 December 2011 21:34 (twelve years ago) link
Maybe I'm wrong, but are they not past the point of no return as far as getting in now goes?
― clemenza, Wednesday, 7 December 2011 21:56 (twelve years ago) link
Remember: the nation as a whole soured on the GOP in 2009, heralding a new rebirth of liberalism.
― Lord Sotosyn, Wednesday, 7 December 2011 21:58 (twelve years ago) link
that Snagglepuss image is the first decent thing on these GOPobsessive hen party threads.
Attacking Rev Wright (that was his name?) was not PERSONAL, cuz as Bill Maher pointed out Obama is too smart to REALLY be a Christian. /mattarmstrong
― Dr Morbius, Wednesday, 7 December 2011 22:20 (twelve years ago) link
pfffff, u.s. is a hard-right nation in all but the broadest sense, and nothing in 2009 changed that. it's basically GOP-controlled except when there's a severe recession (bush I or II) or some huge nat'l disgrace (watergate)
― Daniel, Esq., Wednesday, 7 December 2011 22:20 (twelve years ago) link
The U.S. isn't left, right, or anything nation other than what socioeconomic forces dictate at that moment.
― Lord Sotosyn, Wednesday, 7 December 2011 22:25 (twelve years ago) link
GOP has controlled the presidency for 20 of the last 30 years, with the only breaks being, as i say, post watergate and during recessions.
or, put it a different way: when times are good, we say "hands off, gov't." when times are bad, we say, "help us!, gov't."
― Daniel, Esq., Wednesday, 7 December 2011 22:27 (twelve years ago) link
It's cyclical -- Democrats controlled every branch of government from 1932 through the eighties.
I won't take credit for this Burke quote: "Every political question I have ever known has had so much of the pro and con in it that nothing but the success could decide which proposition was to have been adopted."
― Lord Sotosyn, Wednesday, 7 December 2011 22:29 (twelve years ago) link
well, that's fair, but at 30 years now, i think we can say this has been a long rightward drift, with some bursts of progressivism along the way.
― Daniel, Esq., Wednesday, 7 December 2011 22:30 (twelve years ago) link
Sully's all hard at the though of his wee Eddie Burke's apposite aphorism
― M. White, Wednesday, 7 December 2011 22:30 (twelve years ago) link
but at 30 years now
I think it's fair to say that the WASPs have moved farther to the right as their predominance has waned but they're losing more and more battles and as they get older, they're more and more dogmatic though less in a principled way than a mostly nostalgic emotional one.
As to economics, we conceivably know more than we did 30 years ago but then so do the masters of the universe wrt to evading controls/exerting political influence
― M. White, Wednesday, 7 December 2011 22:35 (twelve years ago) link
Our system is intrinsically conservative; it's designed to occlude all but the faintest of seismic shifts. That's how the Framers intended it.
"Conservative" in this sense has nothing to do with left- or right-wing.
― Lord Sotosyn, Wednesday, 7 December 2011 22:35 (twelve years ago) link
^^^ OTM
― OH NOES, Wednesday, 7 December 2011 22:35 (twelve years ago) link
that's also true, but doesn't detract from my point.
― Daniel, Esq., Wednesday, 7 December 2011 22:36 (twelve years ago) link
You know, for all the knob-slobbering this country engages in wrt the founding fathers and the way they rigged our republic up to not fall prey to the demagoguery and dictatorships of past republics, the conservative nature of our government (in Milord Sotosyn's sense) may have prevented the wild slides and coups of many other modern republics (Africa and the rest of the Americas come to mind) but perhaps the coup has just been a long, slow one. From a part Libertarian, part Liberal perspective, Eisenhower's military-industrial complex alongside some other important industries like high finance have essentially taken over. Is that different than the industrial barons and the slaveholding plantation owners of the 19th century? I'm not sure.
― M. White, Wednesday, 7 December 2011 22:44 (twelve years ago) link
GOP has controlled the presidency for 20 of the last 30 years, with the only breaks being, as i say, post watergate and during recessions.― Daniel, Esq., Wednesday, December 7, 2011 4:27 PM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Permalink
Without the judicial coup in 2000 it could easily have been 16 of the last 30 for the Dems. Maybe 20.
― Matt Armstrong, Wednesday, 7 December 2011 23:41 (twelve years ago) link
probably 20, actually.
― Matt Armstrong, Wednesday, 7 December 2011 23:42 (twelve years ago) link
CNN polls today:
Iowa -- 33-20, GingrichNew Hampshire (Romney's bulwark) -- now 35-26, RomneySouth Carolina -- 43-20, GingrichFlorida -- 48-25, Gingrich
This is no dream, etc. (I hope--may as well enjoy the moment, in any event.)
http://26.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lhrtxd2rdX1qhpsoyo1_400.jpg
― clemenza, Thursday, 8 December 2011 00:13 (twelve years ago) link