ILNFL sandbox thread, because you shouldn't pass up a chance to LOL @ the NY Giants

maybe he's protesting the firing of jack del rio?

I think he just presumed that nothing was there so a sack must have been forthcoming, let's end this play asap

i didn't know jaws was third on the qb consecutive start list!

Jaws was a pretty good QB.

wow the chargers are only two games back now

lollll

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in case this hasn't been posted yet: kelefa sanneh on chucky, in the new yorker

chucky wtf, sleep in past 3:17am plz

i love him too much

Tom Brady? He'll kill ya. If he catches you half asleep,
he'll punch you right in the face with the stretch -- he'll
hand the ball to Woodhead, or Green-Ellis, or Ridley, or
Faulk. Guys aren't ready. They're not ready. He'll do it five
plays in a row, on national TV, in front of the world. And he
loves nothing more than humiliating you. Because I know
this: he humiliated me. It's a hell of a system they have,
and he is the greatest trigger of our lifetime. Look at him!
He's snapping these plays off before the Jets are ready.
You can be as multiple as you want on defense, but, when
you play Tom Brady, he regulates you. He turns you into
[whispered] trash.

but, when
you play Tom Brady, he regulates you. He turns you into
[whispered] trash.

^str8 fire, beautiful chucky

lol

he'll be back coaching by 2013 if not sooner. He's sublimating the hell out of his need to coach with the amt of prep he puts into MNF.

― William (C), Monday, December 5, 2011 8:46 PM (Yesterday)

if he really has "the need to coach" i'm sure like half the teams in the league would want to hire him, including one that's about to get THIS GUY Andrew Luck

oh hell yes, I'd love to see Gruden in Indy!

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@davehydesports Dave Hyde -- Archie Manning says obvious: Peyton and Andrew Luck on same team isn't, "great for either one." Believe me now? Peyton will be available?

hear me now and believe me later.

we have to work "slapdicks" into a nyer cartoon caption

tight fit

can you believe me now?

Colts absolutely should trade Peyton if they know what's good for them

they know what's good for them! that's why they're determined to go 0 -- 16.

i think they know that

they can probably ease up and win a game. the other hopefuls already screwed-up, in reverse, by winning one or two (or four, in the case of one woebegotten franchise) by now.

Welcome back to the NFL, Jeff Garcia! In related news: sorry, Kellen Clemens.

Wes Welker has not dropped a pass this entire season, on 127 targets.

Welcome back to the NFL, Jeff Garcia!

HAPPY DAY!

oh word garcia is back

my favorite!
this is where i'd link to the garcia vs favre thread if we weren't sandboxing
welker is my favorite, even if he is a patriot

they can probably ease up and win a game. the other hopefuls already screwed-up, in reverse, by winning one or two (or four, in the case of one woebegotten franchise) by now.

Baltimore, Tennessee, Houston, and Jacksonville...geeez

Colts absolutely should trade Peyton if they know what's good for them

wouldn't it make sense to keep peyton around a year or two and make sure a. luck's gonna make it in the pros b. he 'learns from the best'? seems a bit risky to trade one of the best qbs of all time w/o having that insurance. I mean no matter what happens, if you had to make a bet 'who's more likely to win a super bowl within the next 5 years, manning or luck', manning's still a safer bet.

I guess one counterargument is 'isn't peyton gonna catch on to this' which I think can be prevented if the colts make sure peyton is doing commercial shoots w/ literally every free moment of his time

I think Luck would have better luck learning from a good QB coach than a guy who's going to fight him for playing time until his dying breath. I don't think Peyton's going to be a good coach until he's not playing anymore, and maybe not even then. I could see him being the worst kind of micromanaging coach.

I guess. I'm sorta seeing this as a favre/rodgers parallel, which worked out pretty well for the packers, but I guess 'favre's gonna retire' was always in the air and 'manning's gonna retire' is not. a situation where a top nfl qb gets years to study and develop w/o pressure doesn't happen too often...

I guess it woulda been perfect if this happened 3 years from now

Manning to Tennessee fucking PLEASE

p. sure archie will only countenance a trade to new york

Peyton as Eli's backup, yessssss

perhaps you forget the j-e-t-s jets jets jets

wouldn't it make sense to keep peyton around a year or two and make sure a. luck's gonna make it in the pros b. he 'learns from the best'? seems a bit risky to trade one of the best qbs of all time w/o having that insurance. I mean no matter what happens, if you had to make a bet 'who's more likely to win a super bowl within the next 5 years, manning or luck', manning's still a safer bet.

both Peyton and Luck will be at their maximum value for the Colts next year. trading one (ahem) could bring back a huge haul.

I guess. I'm sorta seeing this as a favre/rodgers parallel, which worked out pretty well for the packers, but I guess 'favre's gonna retire' was always in the air and 'manning's gonna retire' is not. a situation where a top nfl qb gets years to study and develop w/o pressure doesn't happen too often...

the question is how good would Rodgers be if he started on day 1? we cant really answer that. his situation was kinda unique. keep in mind the Colts are about to come off an 0-16 season, and I don't think they're a playoff team w/ Manning anymore.

both Peyton and Luck will be at their maximum value for the Colts next year. trading one (ahem) could bring back a huge haul.

peyton yes, luck not necessarily. w/ a year or two of development could up his value.

I agree that his situation was kinda unique, but imo it's evidence, admittedly w/ a small sample set, that not throwing these guys into the fire can lead to mature, polished qbs. ya he woulda been good either way by now, it prob woulda been rougher going. but you're right in that I don't think there's a way to measure this. it's not realistic that this is gonna happen on the reg just cause of the dynamics of the nfl and draft picks, money and whatever, but if there's an opportunity for a #1 pick to learn the system pressure-free and (relatively) out of the spotlight, why not?

and coming off a 0-16 season means that the colts could afford sit on their hands for a bit cause it's not like they're gonna be super bowl contenders next year, tho I guess you can expect diminishing returns from peyton over these next years, which brings its own urgency if you're gonna keep him.

i mean you kinda just have to realize that peyty's value is never gonna be higher than it will be in a few months (he's not getting younger), get the maximum value possible from him, and roll the dice with luck, which seems like a pretty solid bet. it's not like the colts have anywhere to go but up at this point

i'd say the chances of them trading manning are like 0% but still

either way the first round is pretty much their ceiling next year

is there even really a way to trade for manning's 'actual value'? something like 10 regular season wins (haha this can't be a defensible stat, I know) plus the media/pr benefits of having 'maybe the best qb of all time' on your team. depending on a rookie qb, as good as he appears, to fill his shoes, is incredibly risky for the organization.

like let's say that the colts announced right now that they were absolutely trading peyton and gonna start luck. in that scenario, even without knowing where he went, would anyone here put money on 'luck has a higher % chance of winning a super bowl in the next 5 years than manning?'

peyton yes, luck not necessarily. w/ a year or two of development could up his value

From what I've heard, Luck is ready to play in the NFL now, and I'm sure any team you ask is going to want him as a rookie rather than waiting a year. Given how big of a prospect he is (apparently the best QB prospect since Manning), and how bad the QB situation is around the league, his value is huge right now, and he's very likely to outperform his rookie contract - if I'm looking at trading like three 1st rounders for him, I'd want him right away. Look at Cam and Dalton - Cam's probably a top ten QB right NOW, and Dalton certainly doesn't look like he needed to sit.

like let's say that the colts announced right now that they were absolutely trading peyton and gonna start luck. in that scenario, even without knowing where he went, would anyone here put money on 'luck has a higher % chance of winning a super bowl in the next 5 years than manning?'

No, but think of it the other way around. say the Colts decide to trade Luck to the Jets and start Manning - I'd definitely put money on Luck winning one before Peyton in that case

I mean, I do see the logic of sitting Luck for a few years but the Colts are missing a lot of pieces and I don't think Luck would be happy with sitting. He knows how big of a prospect he is.

the jets, who were a game away from the super bowl the last two years in a row, couldn't be super bowl contenders with manning? cmon. (vs. 0-16 team w/ rookie qb?)

obv manning wouldn't fit the culture there and there are lots of reasons why that wouldn't happen, but if we're talking just in theory, yeah, my money would totally be on the jets.

even if the colts are losing some trade value in sitting on luck for a year, they're gaining something out of having a more flexibile situation - if you're making a decision about the future of the franchise it might be worth it. but that depends on manning and luck playing nice w/ each other.

the jets, who were a game away from the super bowl the last two years in a row, couldn't be super bowl contenders with manning? cmon. (vs. 0-16 team w/ rookie qb?)

of course they would be - that's not what I'm saying - I'm saying that if you're betting on one of those QBs to win a Super Bowl soon, I'd take whichever one isn't on the Colts

but that depends on manning and luck playing nice w/ each other

everything points to this not being the case - I don't think Manning is interested in "grooming" a QB of the future and Luck isn't interested in going to a team that won't use him (IIRC he can force a trade). I can't think offhand of a 1st pick (or even like, a top 5 pick) NOT playing right away. The Rodgers situation is an outlier (mostly because of how rare it is for a good team to end up with a QB like Rodgers anyway) and it could be argued that GB may have even won a Super Bowl in 2007 had they started Rodgers from day one