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Wait, what about Lost? Lost is awesome. There are no spaceships or evil wizards in Lost.

― jaymc (jaymc), Monday, 16 October 2006 19:45 (eighteen years ago) link

Yeah, Lost is totally geeky sci-fi that it's okay to like.

― JordanC (JordanC), Monday, 16 October 2006 19:46 (eighteen years ago) link

Jewish intellectuals are very cool, in my book. Maybe not the neo-cons, but most of the others.

― jaymc (jaymc), Monday, 16 October 2006 19:46 (eighteen years ago) link

Jordan, you forgot "massively neurotic".

― Laurel (Laurel), Monday, 16 October 2006 19:48 (eighteen years ago) link

Re Woody Allen, not re "Lost"!!

― Laurel (Laurel), Monday, 16 October 2006 19:48 (eighteen years ago) link

Oh yeah. Anyway, obviously I've playing devil's advocate to some degree, but there's cool and then there's cool.

― JordanC (JordanC), Monday, 16 October 2006 19:50 (eighteen years ago) link

wait wait wait... WOODY ALLEN?!?!?? prophetic.

― otto midnight (otto midnight), Monday, 16 October 2006 19:52 (eighteen years ago) link

And compared to sex and drugs and rock n' roll, Woody Allen is not very cool. Neither are the Jews, really.

― JordanC (JordanC), Monday, 16 October 2006 19:53 (eighteen years ago) link

(j/k about the Jews, uh, kinda)

― JordanC (JordanC), Monday, 16 October 2006 19:55 (eighteen years ago) link

What about Gene Simmons?

― danno martinez (danno martinez), Monday, 16 October 2006 19:55 (eighteen years ago) link

Eh, the Hasidim are usually cool. Their stories are K-CLASSIC, although the gender division in modern life leaves something to be desired.

― Laurel (Laurel), Monday, 16 October 2006 19:55 (eighteen years ago) link

No way. I was specifically thinking that there are obv. cool Jews out there, but that the Hasidim are WAY LAME.

― JordanC (JordanC), Monday, 16 October 2006 19:57 (eighteen years ago) link

But but but WHY?

― Laurel (Laurel), Monday, 16 October 2006 19:57 (eighteen years ago) link

I mean, my own personal & fam issues to thread, but I basically hate interacting with them and "cool" is absolutely the last word that comes to mind.

― JordanC (JordanC), Monday, 16 October 2006 19:58 (eighteen years ago) link

Ooohh, I vaguely recall some mention of that but I don't know yr story. Oh well. The book Tales of the Hasidim is cool, anyway.

― Laurel (Laurel), Monday, 16 October 2006 19:59 (eighteen years ago) link

Anyway, I think we've been over this before, but what I like about Lost is that it a) takes place in the present-day, with recognizable human characters, and b) the sci-fi element has so far been a vague sense of creepiness and mystery. It's almost more like a suspense/horror movie in that we're identifying with people like us who have been thrown into an unusual situation, and we want to get to the bottom of it all. We're not starting out on an alien planet and just accepting that a race of green humanoids with yo-yos for eyes exist in this world.

― jaymc (jaymc), Monday, 16 October 2006 20:01 (eighteen years ago) link

Maybe they're cooler to a non-Jew, but I get a really patronizing vibe off them. And they cut themselves off physically and culturally from the rest of the world...how can someone be cool if they don't understand/don't care about/are afraid of modern culture? Stick to your Torah and clapping on the downbeats and lack of birth control dudes, I'll be in the real world.

/over the top rant

― JordanC (JordanC), Monday, 16 October 2006 20:03 (eighteen years ago) link

Sorry. Basically my mom has become extremely Orthodox so I'm forced to deal with that community sometimes, and I'm not exactly what they expect from her son. At all. And they can be dicks about it.

― JordanC (JordanC), Monday, 16 October 2006 20:04 (eighteen years ago) link

I don't know what's wrong with me today. I'm full of hate, apparently.

― JordanC (JordanC), Monday, 16 October 2006 20:08 (eighteen years ago) link

Yeah, I'm not talking about Orthodox, more like, you know, Elliott Gould.

― jaymc (jaymc), Monday, 16 October 2006 20:09 (eighteen years ago) link

Jordan, your hateful rant is so far making people not notice that I just defended horror movies.

― jaymc (jaymc), Monday, 16 October 2006 20:10 (eighteen years ago) link

(I like horror movies, though. Rosemary's Baby is one of my favorite movies ever. I just don't have the will to sit through a lot of bad ones.)

― jaymc (jaymc), Monday, 16 October 2006 20:12 (eighteen years ago) link

you know who's awesome is that robbie gould fella

― deep space nine, Monday, 16 October 2006 20:13 (eighteen years ago) link

Totally understood, Jordan. But the cutting themselves off thing is interesting. In the first place, the Hasidim came to America not to take part in the American dream or to assimilate, but to continue living exactly as they had in Europe except for being safe from pogrom/Holocaust. Second, their rebbes refused to come here until AFTER WWII, so that generation had very different priorities from the next gen, which is the group currently "in power" in most places. Third, in a sense the Hasidim who immigrated to America could have taken part in a culture of privilege, being a white European group, but they specifically chose not to benefit from that privilege...a restraint which could, if investigated constructively, make them less estranged from the minority groups they usually live near.

Also, I don't know what their problem is w/r/t you -- I know someone whose daughter is an out lesbian (not practicing Orthodox, obv) but her father is very scholarly, respected, visible among his peers.

Also there are definitely some very lousy things about modern Hasidic life, NOT THE LEAST OF WHICH is their attitude/code of conduct for women.

― Laurel (Laurel), Monday, 16 October 2006 20:17 (eighteen years ago) link

Haha.

I think at this point the basic sci-fi setting is so entrenched that it's not so different a starting point than here & now. Meaning, saying "okay, it's the future and there are space ships and humans living on different worlds" isn't a big deal, it's "okay, it's the future and there are space ships AND here's the hook". Although if those tropes really bother you than that's something else (I forget, have you read any Delany?).

― JordanC (JordanC), Monday, 16 October 2006 20:17 (eighteen years ago) link

Yeah, I don't know why it bothers me. Most of what I like, narrative-wise, still tends to be contemporary American realism. Who's Delany?

― jaymc (jaymc), Monday, 16 October 2006 20:20 (eighteen years ago) link

Samuel Delany

― JordanC (JordanC), Monday, 16 October 2006 20:21 (eighteen years ago) link

'Cause a lot of his work has trad sci-fi/fantasy tropes + excellent writing, race and gender issues, dude sex, etc.

(a lot of his writing also lacks those tropes, but that's what he came out of)

― JordanC (JordanC), Monday, 16 October 2006 20:24 (eighteen years ago) link

later chicago.

― otto midnight (otto midnight), Monday, 16 October 2006 20:39 (eighteen years ago) link

I hate decisions. Should I take the cheaper place that I don't like as much, or the more expensive place that I looove?

― whoop de doodle (kenan), Monday, 16 October 2006 21:47 (eighteen years ago) link

Take whichever is more convenient?

― danno martinez (danno martinez), Monday, 16 October 2006 21:49 (eighteen years ago) link

how much more expensive is it?

― bohren un der club of gear, Monday, 16 October 2006 21:55 (eighteen years ago) link

what neighborhoods?

ps- hi chicago.

― grady (grady), Monday, 16 October 2006 22:06 (eighteen years ago) link

DETAILS!!!

― crunkleJ (crunkleJ), Monday, 16 October 2006 22:36 (eighteen years ago) link

Have you gone through the credit process?

― crunkleJ (crunkleJ), Monday, 16 October 2006 22:37 (eighteen years ago) link

the pricier one sounds really great.

― JuliaA (JuliaA), Monday, 16 October 2006 22:38 (eighteen years ago) link

i'm dying for details. i am afraid to look for a new place and kenan will be my guinea pig.

― crunkleJ (crunkleJ), Monday, 16 October 2006 22:42 (eighteen years ago) link

ok, here's the story on the place that I like. $775 a month, which is more than I wanted to pay but certainly doable. One bedroom. Big kitchen. Nice living room with a southern exposure and a view of a grand old oak tree. Back porch (!). Pretty hardwood floors. Laundry downstairs. Old building, but well maintained. There's a marble facade out front that says "The Rose." Located here, which is pretty unbeatable. Two blocks from the Berwyn el stop, two blocks from Jewel, three blocks from the lake, seven blocks from Juulia.

I think I should go for it.

― whoop de doodle (kenan), Monday, 16 October 2006 22:42 (eighteen years ago) link

I don't know where Berwyn or Jewel are, but the rest sounds PERFECT. Shit. I want.

― Laurel (Laurel), Monday, 16 October 2006 22:44 (eighteen years ago) link

I can't remember if it's thisplace or the other one that has the old iron bathtub with the legs and everything. I love that shit.

― whoop de doodle (kenan), Monday, 16 October 2006 22:44 (eighteen years ago) link

qhR v

ahem...

what about the other one?

― crunkleJ (crunkleJ), Monday, 16 October 2006 22:44 (eighteen years ago) link

I don't know where Berwyn or Jewel are

Well, ifyou look at the map, Berwyn in one block south, and the train stop is just on the east side of Broadway. The grocery is between the el stop and Brodaway.

― whoop de doodle (kenan), Monday, 16 October 2006 22:46 (eighteen years ago) link

That's a pretty great location. 1 block from 2 different L stops, CLOSE to the Jewel, beautiful street.

― crunkleJ (crunkleJ), Monday, 16 October 2006 22:47 (eighteen years ago) link

The other one is at Devon and Wayne, much smaller, has a view of an alley and a brick wayy, and you have to walk through the closet to get to the bathroom. Also significantly dirtier.

― whoop de doodle (kenan), Monday, 16 October 2006 22:47 (eighteen years ago) link

brick wall

― whoop de doodle (kenan), Monday, 16 October 2006 22:47 (eighteen years ago) link

happiness trumps potential savings any day of the week, right? i took a place for $275 more per month than another i was thinking about because it was much nicer and in a slightly better area. it was well worth it.

if you go with the other place, you will inevitably regret it completely.

― bohren un der club of gear, Monday, 16 October 2006 22:48 (eighteen years ago) link

what price?

If it was like $300 a month less or something that might make a difference.

― crunkleJ (crunkleJ), Monday, 16 October 2006 22:49 (eighteen years ago) link

That's a pretty great location.

I know. It would be nice for a change to have a place I want to stay at for more than one lease. It ain't dirt cheap or anything, but I think I can grow into it. Buy furniture and bookshelves, the whole bit.

― whoop de doodle (kenan), Monday, 16 October 2006 22:49 (eighteen years ago) link

Devon Ave. is too far from Chicago.

― crunkleJ (crunkleJ), Monday, 16 October 2006 22:50 (eighteen years ago) link

what price?

$600, which, considering, feels like a rip-off.

― whoop de doodle (kenan), Monday, 16 October 2006 22:50 (eighteen years ago) link

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