fuck a creationist

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I'm guessing her rationale is something like "well dinosaurs on every continent = proof that dinosaurs existed on Pangaea, so humans on every continent = proof that humans existed on Pangaea alongside dinosaurs."

Or something. It's obviously wrong, but that's the only thing I can think of since she obviously has a fundamental misunderstanding of (a) dinosaurs, (b) humans, and (c) Pangaea.

step hen faps (Curt1s Stephens), Friday, 8 December 2006 01:09 (seventeen years ago) link

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step hen faps (Curt1s Stephens), Friday, 8 December 2006 01:10 (seventeen years ago) link

It's the part where she rolled her eyes at me that bugged the hell out of me. I was proud of myself for holding back, though. I feel like a few years ago, I would have spent too much time looking up proof on the internet to show her how wrong she was, making myself look pathetic to everyone I work with in the process.

These days, I just let people believe that humans had to watch out for dinosaurs when they left their caves during the day. Especially the fire-breathing Dragonasaur!

Zachary Scott (Zachary S), Friday, 8 December 2006 01:17 (seventeen years ago) link

Maybe she watched Dinotopia and thought it was a documentary.

Trayce (trayce), Friday, 8 December 2006 02:58 (seventeen years ago) link

Africa? Pangea? WHAT?

People weren't on Pangea, to my knowledge.

She' seems to be having difficulty seperating physical space and time.

Pong came before the Genesis. Just because both were sold at Sears doesn't mean they were there at the same time.

Geza T (The GZeus), Friday, 8 December 2006 03:30 (seventeen years ago) link

Preachin' to the choir.

Zachary Scott (Zachary S), Friday, 8 December 2006 05:05 (seventeen years ago) link

Happy Feet sucked though. The environmental message was that if penguins want us to save their ass they had better DANCE.

walterkranz (walterkranz), Friday, 8 December 2006 05:21 (seventeen years ago) link

so, same moral as _Footloose_ then?

kingfish in absentia (kingfish), Friday, 8 December 2006 06:02 (seventeen years ago) link

Everyone knows that dancing saves. Parliament always preached that you have to shoot endangered species with your bop gun.

Øystein (Øystein), Friday, 8 December 2006 10:07 (seventeen years ago) link

Pong came before the Genesis.

Genesis was first dude, it's right there in the Bible :-P

Blaze the Violet Flame (nu_onimo), Friday, 8 December 2006 13:15 (seventeen years ago) link

might as well post this link here

kingfish in absentia (kingfish), Saturday, 9 December 2006 00:05 (seventeen years ago) link

so, same moral as _Footloose_ then?

Same plot as Footloose definitely. It was probably in all seriousness pitched as Footloose meets March of the Penguins.

Everyone knows that dancing saves. Parliament always preached that you have to shoot endangered species with your bop gun.

Aquaboogie would have been the perfect soundtrack to the big underwater synchronized swimming scene. Although "Lets Do I Again" in that scene was one of the few good bits of music in the whole thing.

walterkranz (walterkranz), Saturday, 9 December 2006 00:17 (seventeen years ago) link

Uh, "Lets Do It Again" being a Beach Boys thing, not the theme song to the Cosby/Poitier movie which might have also been an improvement.

walterkranz (walterkranz), Saturday, 9 December 2006 00:18 (seventeen years ago) link

also, for more late friday lolz, check the imdb board for the movie.

kingfish in absentia (kingfish), Saturday, 9 December 2006 00:27 (seventeen years ago) link

ha, more like "Crappy Feet"

latebloomer's ice rink of martyrdom (clonefeed), Saturday, 9 December 2006 05:34 (seventeen years ago) link

It was probably in all seriousness pitched as Footloose meets March of the Penguins.

So it's essential U&K viewing, then?

whoop de doodle (kenan), Saturday, 9 December 2006 16:42 (seventeen years ago) link

March of the Penguins sucked though. I'm after more of a Microcosmos / Dirty Dancing fusion.

walterkranz (walterkranz), Saturday, 9 December 2006 20:00 (seventeen years ago) link

"I've Had The Time Of My Life" packs so much more punch when your lifespan is a week.

whoop de doodle (kenan), Saturday, 9 December 2006 20:18 (seventeen years ago) link

Ned T.Rifle (Ned T.Rifle), Sunday, 10 December 2006 22:08 (seventeen years ago) link

http://www.themoscowtimes.com/stories/2006/12/14/014.html

Ed (dali), Thursday, 14 December 2006 07:04 (seventeen years ago) link

An AP history in Kearney, N.J. started the school year with this:

Shortly after school began in September, the teacher told his sixth-period students at Kearny High School that evolution and the Big Bang were not scientific, that dinosaurs were aboard Noah’s ark, and that only Christians had a place in heaven, according to audio recordings made by a student whose family is now considering a lawsuit claiming Mr. Paszkiewicz broke the church-state boundary.

“If you reject his gift of salvation, then you know where you belong,µ Mr. Paszkiewicz was recorded saying of Jesus. “He did everything in his power to make sure that you could go to heaven, so much so that he took your sins on his own body, suffered your pains for you, and he’s saying, ‘Please, accept me, believe.’ If you reject that, you belong in hell.µ


Of course, the kid who recorded him is now being attacked, even receiving a death threat.

The article touches on something else:

Greice Coelho, who took Mr. Paszkiewicz’s class and is a member of his youth group, said in a letter to The Observer, the local weekly newspaper, that Matthew was “ignoring the First Amendment to the United States Constitution, which gives every citizen the freedom of religion.µ Some anonymous posters on the town's electronic bulletin board, Kearnyontheweb.com, called for Matthew's suspension.

which is something that's been popping up more & more in fundie political circles, that "freedom of religion" translates to "freedom to annoy your class/office-mates with tone-deaf evangelizing."

So it adds another bit to the rightwinger perception of persecution( and resulting self-righteousness), 'coz the evil secular libruls are taking away their freedoms, etc.

kingfish in absentia (kingfish), Monday, 18 December 2006 18:54 (seventeen years ago) link

Shortly after school began in September, the teacher told his sixth-period students at Kearny High School that evolution and the Big Bang were not scientific, that dinosaurs were aboard Noah’s ark, and that only Christians had a place in heaven

this was par for the course at my high school...my biology teacher flat-out said he didn't believe in evolution and wasn't going to teach it.

latebloomer: glutton for PUNishment (clonefeed), Monday, 18 December 2006 19:02 (seventeen years ago) link

nobody gave a shit

latebloomer: glutton for PUNishment (clonefeed), Monday, 18 December 2006 19:03 (seventeen years ago) link

Did the Dinosaurs show get picketed, or has it happened yet?

Also, what better way to settle the debate than with a friendly board game?

http://www.livingwaters.com/Merchant2/graphics/00000002/boardgame_opened.jpg

Evangelistic, educational, entertaining.

At last, a board game that reveals the insanity of perhaps the greatest hoax of our times -- the unscientific "theory of evolution."

"Intelligent Design vs Evolution" is unique in that the playing pieces are small rubber brains and each team plays for "brain" cards. Each player uses his or her brains to get more brains, and the team with the most brains wins. It has been designed to make people think . . . and that's exactly what it does.

"Ray Comfort and Kirk Cameron are doing much more than revealing the bankruptcy of molecules-to-man evolution. They have a greater purpose: proclaiming biblical authority and reaching the lost with the precious gospel message. Enjoy this wonderful family game as you also become better equipped to defend our precious Christian faith." -- Ken Ham, President, Answers in Genesis.

"unscientific"?

kingfish in absentia (kingfish), Friday, 29 December 2006 16:57 (seventeen years ago) link

and for only $30!

kingfish in absentia (kingfish), Friday, 29 December 2006 16:58 (seventeen years ago) link

Should compete for hearts instead of brains, obv.

Joe Isuzu's Petals (Rock Hardy), Friday, 29 December 2006 17:03 (seventeen years ago) link

dawkins board game plz

Comrades, meet Tildo Durd (Scourage), Friday, 29 December 2006 17:18 (seventeen years ago) link

checking here, http://www.educationallearninggames.com/

we get plenty of candidates. I'm wondering how well this one would go over with the same crowd:

http://www.educationallearninggames.com/images/anatomix-game.jpg

This new game is sure to become a family favorite! Learn about your body and have fun at the same time! Get ready, flick the spinner, and grab your piece! The first player to build their body wins. You can choose between nerves, skeleton, organs, and muscles. Some of the body pieces may even have to be swapped or donated to the body bank-just like in real life!

kingfish in absentia (kingfish), Friday, 29 December 2006 17:58 (seventeen years ago) link

Get ready, flick the spinner, and grab your piece!
ROFFLE!

mikebee (bizzle), Friday, 29 December 2006 19:46 (seventeen years ago) link

http://www.peer.org/news/news_id.php?row_id=801

Grand Canyon guides aren't allowed to say how old the monument is, because that would upset creationist retards.

StanM (StanM), Saturday, 30 December 2006 12:20 (seventeen years ago) link

I really do have healthy distaste foe christianz

Geza T iz tha Rainy G. Toronado (The GZeus), Saturday, 30 December 2006 16:20 (seventeen years ago) link

"fuck a creationist"

taken as a recommendation, it does narrow one's options of fuckatableness rather drastically :(

tiit (t**t), Saturday, 30 December 2006 20:53 (seventeen years ago) link

You clearly haven't read upthread.

Johnney B has zeros off the line (stigoftdumpilx), Saturday, 30 December 2006 23:59 (seventeen years ago) link

hahaha

step hen faps (Curt1s Stephens), Sunday, 31 December 2006 00:39 (seventeen years ago) link

the playing pieces are small rubber brains and each team plays for "brain" cards. Each player uses his or her brains to get more brains, and the team with the most brains wins.

So the player uses their brain to respond to environmental stimuli in the form of questions and develops a bigger and better brain as a result? Sounds a bit like that scientific theory I can't quite recall right now.

Maaarghk C (Maaarghk C), Sunday, 31 December 2006 17:02 (seventeen years ago) link

personally i think this literalist creationism is more of a danger to christianity than straight up atheist evolution.

how many kids raised in a strict literalist tradition with little coverage in high school of the factual, experimentally-proven aspects of evolution go to college and have their minds blown?

i knew several. once you have the educational background to read about or even reproduce some of the science proving selection and mutation and so on, it's a little impossible to argue against. throw in some bad life experiences ("why would a love God do this to me?"), some hypocrisy ("but that guy told me hot man sex was evil!"), etc etc and whallah, it's really easy to lose faith. it happened to several christian friends i had as a kid.

dawkins's brood and the literalist christians pit creation as the full on opposite of evolution. accept one or the other.

in that game, dawkins wins.

unfortunately for his religious movement, literalist creationism will probably go away except for fringe groups. more and more future christians will get the mutation.

to quote one of our 4th century church fathers, St. Augustine:

Usually, even a non-Christian knows something about the earth, the heavens, and the other elements of this world, about the motion and orbit of the stars and even their size and relative positions, about the predictable eclipses of the sun and moon, the cycles of the years and the seasons, about the kinds of animals, shrubs, stones, and so forth, and this knowledge he hold to as being certain from reason and experience. Now, it is a disgraceful and dangerous thing for an infidel to hear a Christian, presumably giving the meaning of Holy Scripture, talking nonsense on these topics; and we should take all means to prevent such an embarrassing situation, in which people show up vast ignorance in a Christian and laugh it to scorn. The shame is not so much that an ignorant individual is derided, but that people outside the household of faith think our sacred writers held such opinions, and, to the great loss of those for whose salvation we toil, the writers of our Scripture are criticized and rejected as unlearned men. If they find a Christian mistaken in a field which they themselves know well and hear him maintaining his foolish opinions about our books, how are they going to believe those books in matters concerning the resurrection of the dead, the hope of eternal life, and the kingdom of heaven, when they think their pages are full of falsehoods and on facts which they themselves have learnt from experience and the light of reason? Reckless and incompetent expounders of Holy Scripture bring untold trouble and sorrow on their wiser brethren when they are caught in one of their mischievous false opinions and are taken to task by those who are not bound by the authority of our sacred books. For then, to defend their utterly foolish and obviously untrue statements, they will try to call upon Holy Scripture for proof and even recite from memory many passages which they think support their position, although they understand neither what they say nor the things about which they make assertion.

i know it's infuriating that our own president could legislate his religious beliefs, but given who we're talking about, is it shocking?
m.

msp (msp), Tuesday, 2 January 2007 14:03 (seventeen years ago) link

Personally, I at first found organised christianity to be....stupid for many reasons, but these are the main ones:
There are like 24 commandments, but the first ten are OBVIOUSLY more important, because...BECAUSE!!!
There's no devli in the bible, no 'fall,' barely anything similar to hell.
The 4 gospels are vastly different in parts, but they're all true and all the word of god, just like all kinds of letters Jesus' friends wrote each other.
There's nothing in the book that says there are no other Gods, just that the Jews weren't allowed to worship them.
The book of revelations was written by a man whom, as I recall, was exiled to an island alone for 20 years. If you DON'T see flying scorpions with lions teeth and human faces after 20 years alone you're fucked up.
After the new covenant those 'ten' commandments are irrelevant. There are 2. But you should follow those other 'ten' anyway.....BECAUSE!

So for years I was a kind of outside-the-box- christian.
Then I realised many fundamental beleifs of xhristianity that AREN'T contradicted in other parts of the book(why is Song of Solomon in there? it's a porno!) contradicted mine to a great deal.
So I quit it.
For the longest time I was pro christianity, but not for me.

Then I figured out that the majority of the book doesn't sit well with me as a basis of one's life. On top of that, it's hard for me to meet a christian without their beliefs interfering with me conversing comfortably(alot of my friends are athiests, gay, Japanese and so religious but not christian). Well, one of us ends up uncomfortable.

There are exceptions to that last bit.

Geza T iz tha Rainy G. Toronado (The GZeus), Tuesday, 2 January 2007 17:34 (seventeen years ago) link

one month passes...
meanwhile, down in Texas...

A Republican member of the Texas House wants to ban the teaching of evolution, claiming that the Big Bang Theory is actually from the Pharisee Religion, and they really shouldn't be teaching religion in school.

Oh yeah, and Einstein and Carl Sagan were Kabbalists. Really.

"You ought to teach creation as well as the fact of evolution," Mr. Chisum said, though he said "all of those kinds of sciences have holes in them. ... But I'm not about teaching religion in schools."

kingfish in absentia (kingfish), Wednesday, 14 February 2007 21:24 (seventeen years ago) link

oh yeah, and the webite they cite:

http://fixedearth.com/

The non-moving Earth

& anti-evolution web page of

The Fair Education Foundation, Inc.

Exposing the False Science Idol of Evolutionism,
and Proving the Truthfulness of the Bible from Creation to Heaven...

- since 1973 -

Marshall Hall, Pres.

***

EXTRA! EXTRA!

Read all about the Copernican and Darwinian Myths

(and their many ramifications going all the way to Kabbala-based Big Bangism!)

IN OVER NINETY LINKS BELOW....

Attacking Darwin is pretty standard for these people, but going after Copernicus is a new one. I do hope they target the 2nd law of thermodynamics next.

kingfish in absentia (kingfish), Wednesday, 14 February 2007 21:26 (seventeen years ago) link

The layout and writing style of that page reminds me of a Victorian music hall poster.

Chap (chap), Wednesday, 14 February 2007 22:05 (seventeen years ago) link

You'd think that'd make it cooler, though....

Laurel (Laurel), Wednesday, 14 February 2007 22:07 (seventeen years ago) link

When I am a member of the Texas House I am going to propose that we only teach Time Cube.

max (maxreax), Wednesday, 14 February 2007 22:26 (seventeen years ago) link

(Marshall Hall, BS. MA + 2 years:...Advanced International Studies Ph.D. Program)

ned trifle XIV (ned trifle XIV), Wednesday, 14 February 2007 23:29 (seventeen years ago) link

What would that BS stand for?

ned trifle XIV (ned trifle XIV), Wednesday, 14 February 2007 23:29 (seventeen years ago) link

The supporting quotes for the book are terrific.

'Yvonne Anderson, High School Sophomore: "I have read the book which has totally and without a doubt disproved the theory of evolution for me."'

Gosh, you'd think it would be more well known.

ned trifle XIV (ned trifle XIV), Wednesday, 14 February 2007 23:36 (seventeen years ago) link

I like that her response seems extremely sarcastic.

kingfish in absentia (kingfish), Wednesday, 14 February 2007 23:37 (seventeen years ago) link

meanwhile, down in Kansas...

oh wait! they did good. it's not all bad news here, people. sometimes the way people write about these things makes it seem like there's this inexorable encroaching tide of ignorance sweeping all in its path before it, but creationists have actually been handed a string of defeats over the past year.

Kansas education board repeals science guidelines questioning evolution

Euai Kapaui (tracerhand), Thursday, 15 February 2007 16:24 (seventeen years ago) link


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