― After two days in hospital I took a turn for the nurse. (Fluffy Bear Hearts Rain, Tuesday, 13 February 2007 19:15 (seventeen years ago) link
Yes, that's exactly what I said.
― Nu-Edward III (edward iii), Tuesday, 13 February 2007 19:16 (seventeen years ago) link
― emsk ( emsk ), Tuesday, 13 February 2007 19:17 (seventeen years ago) link
― Nu-Edward III (edward iii), Tuesday, 13 February 2007 19:23 (seventeen years ago) link
You did say, "I'm liberal in most things but for some reason I'm a global warming cynic."
But you didn't really explain why.
― After two days in hospital I took a turn for the nurse. (Fluffy Bear Hearts Rain, Tuesday, 13 February 2007 19:27 (seventeen years ago) link
Maybe I'm cynical because of the general shrillness of the discourse - which this has already descended into. Science borne out of dispassionate scepticism has more weight to me than science with an ax to grind. And it seems to me global warming talk is generally accompanied by a preground ax.
My mind's not made up either way. Note I have said nothing to indicate that I support polluting the environment. I've expressed garden variety doubt about global warming. If your response to doubt is BURN THE WITCH then your critical faculties may be impaired.
― Nu-Edward III (edward iii), Tuesday, 13 February 2007 20:14 (seventeen years ago) link
This exists. A lot of the public debate is as you describe it, but that does not discredit the science.
The proponents of ID make essentially the same argument about evolution, that it is "science with an ax to grind."
Same goes for arguments about racial IQ. Proponents of "The Bell Curve" argue that their opponents are irrational and hyperbolic and that the criticism is not "borne out of dispassionate scepticism", but like evolution and global warming, the science is solid, regardless of the emotional response--the authors of The Bell Curve are wrong, regardless of how red-faced their critics get.
I could get hysterical about theory of gravity, but that wouldn't be a reasonable cause for you to doubt it.
― After two days in hospital I took a turn for the nurse. (Fluffy Bear Hearts Rain, Tuesday, 13 February 2007 20:32 (seventeen years ago) link
― Nu-Edward III (edward iii), Tuesday, 13 February 2007 20:44 (seventeen years ago) link
My favourite bulldozed stately home is probably Clumber House.
― Forest Pines (ForestPines), Tuesday, 13 February 2007 20:51 (seventeen years ago) link
― Forest Pines (ForestPines), Tuesday, 13 February 2007 20:52 (seventeen years ago) link
― Forest Pines (ForestPines), Tuesday, 13 February 2007 20:53 (seventeen years ago) link
― Nu-Edward III (edward iii), Tuesday, 13 February 2007 20:54 (seventeen years ago) link
http://www.giss.nasa.gov/edu/gwdebate/
http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/oa/climate/globalwarming.html
http://www.realclimate.org/
I link to this wiki article only because there are a lot of good links at the bottom: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_warming
Here is a list of scientists opposing global warming consensus: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_scientists_opposing_global_warming_consensus
― After two days in hospital I took a turn for the nurse. (Fluffy Bear Hearts Rain, Tuesday, 13 February 2007 21:18 (seventeen years ago) link
― Nu-Edward III (edward iii), Tuesday, 13 February 2007 21:32 (seventeen years ago) link
this is such a huge problem - that and that sort of 'well, gee, who minds a bit of global warming if it means we get lovely balmy summers!' stuff. I think that's why people are trying to popularise the term 'climate change' instead - from what I've heard, the forecasts are for more extreme weather and raised global temperature overall, not for the same weather we've always had but a couple of degrees warmer all round. And then it's "what do these scientists know, going on about global warming when we've had the best snowfall in ten years - so much for that, eh" and a growing distrust of science, when the thing to blame isn't the scientists or their science, but the simplistic spin put on scientific discoveries by certain laymen.
― cis boom bah (cis), Tuesday, 13 February 2007 22:50 (seventeen years ago) link
― accentmonkey (accentmonkey), Tuesday, 13 February 2007 23:09 (seventeen years ago) link
― Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Wednesday, 14 February 2007 11:08 (seventeen years ago) link
WRT to the kerfuffle above, I think there is a distinction between "I am a climate change sceptic" and "I don't believe that climate change is responsible for beach erosion in Wales."
I'm giving Nu-Edward the benefit of the doubt that he meant the latter. However, I don't think it's really rational to cling to the former view after overwhelming evidence.
― masonic boom (kate), Wednesday, 14 February 2007 11:15 (seventeen years ago) link
obviously i was just trying to wind you up into dropping the Science - with attitude. many thanks.
― resumo impetus (blueski), Wednesday, 14 February 2007 11:17 (seventeen years ago) link
― resumo impetus (blueski), Wednesday, 14 February 2007 11:23 (seventeen years ago) link
― ledge (ledge), Wednesday, 14 February 2007 13:22 (seventeen years ago) link
― ledge (ledge), Wednesday, 14 February 2007 13:39 (seventeen years ago) link
― resumo impetus (blueski), Wednesday, 14 February 2007 13:39 (seventeen years ago) link
― ledge (ledge), Wednesday, 14 February 2007 13:41 (seventeen years ago) link
(mind you, they don't take standard light bulbs anyway)
― Forest Pines (ForestPines), Wednesday, 14 February 2007 13:43 (seventeen years ago) link
― resumo impetus (blueski), Wednesday, 14 February 2007 13:45 (seventeen years ago) link
― Forest Pines (ForestPines), Wednesday, 14 February 2007 13:47 (seventeen years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aSq1cez_flQ
― nice catch cuauhtemoc blanco niño (dayo), Friday, 30 December 2011 12:25 (twelve years ago) link
zooey is so annoying amirite
― nice catch cuauhtemoc blanco niño (dayo), Friday, 30 December 2011 16:14 (twelve years ago) link
*gets annoyed furiously*
― You failed, you didn’t eat the whole pizza (NotEnough), Friday, 30 December 2011 16:55 (twelve years ago) link
how can a grown woman in a tiara be considered anything but annoying? It cheapens the whole idea of irony.
― Aimless, Friday, 30 December 2011 17:19 (twelve years ago) link
Why on earth did you pick ~this~ beautiful thread of Wales and lost villages to go reviving with this?
Also post Trugh Bombs thread I ultimately utterly suspect any man who dismisses any woman, ESP an attractive one, as "annoying"
― Sheaths of ClammyCloth (Fotherington Thomas), Friday, 30 December 2011 17:33 (twelve years ago) link
FT both of my posts were continuations of long-running memes on ILX
― nice catch cuauhtemoc blanco niño (dayo), Friday, 30 December 2011 17:35 (twelve years ago) link
personally I don't have any strong feelings about zooey deschanel except that maybe she shaves her armpits too frequently
drown both of them
― By "insulted" I mean "engaged in amateur rock criticism." (step hen faps), Friday, 30 December 2011 17:43 (twelve years ago) link
1. FT is the arbiter of who is attractive2. Less attractive people can be more annoying
Got it
― illegal crew member (C.K. Dexter Holland), Friday, 30 December 2011 20:08 (twelve years ago) link
INTERRUPTING COW!!!! MOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!
― Sheaths of ClammyCloth (Fotherington Thomas), Friday, 30 December 2011 20:09 (twelve years ago) link
Wow, for someone who prides themselves on argument you sure are shit at it. (xpost to CKDH)
ZD is incredibly annoying, though.
― Illia Rump (emil.y), Friday, 30 December 2011 20:11 (twelve years ago) link
Does no one remember Sunny Successor's pithy comment that started the Truth Bombs thread? Really?
HAVE WE ALL FORGOTTEN REAL ILX SO SOON?!?!?
Soon it'll be like that whole 11 years never happened and we'll wake up with Bobby G in the shower.
― Sheaths of ClammyCloth (Fotherington Thomas), Friday, 30 December 2011 20:16 (twelve years ago) link
(I still want to know what on earth ZD has to do with Wales or drowned villages, though. Considering how much I loved drowned villages.)
I think it was something to do with Whiney wanting to drown-fuck her? Or... something. I never quite got the whole "Would Drown" thing.
Anyway, if "annoying" is potentially too gendered, can I at least call her an expasperating shithead? I fucking hate her 'quirky' 'wide-eyed innocent' 'ditz' schtick.
― Illia Rump (emil.y), Friday, 30 December 2011 20:19 (twelve years ago) link
Um, EXASPERATING.
― Illia Rump (emil.y), Friday, 30 December 2011 20:20 (twelve years ago) link
dayo's post was a joking reference to that exact post/meme!!
― By "insulted" I mean "engaged in amateur rock criticism." (step hen faps), Friday, 30 December 2011 20:23 (twelve years ago) link
Is "would drown" a thing? Ugh, people are just so gross, and on Emsk's beautiful Welsh thread, as well.
SS's pithy quote was something like "when a guy calls a girl annoying, that's guy-speak for 'I want to fuck that chick' which is an instant break-up in my book."
So whenever I see a guy call a chick "annoying" I just think about that quote and laugh my head off. It renders a lot of ridiculous hate-threads much more interesting that way.
― Sheaths of ClammyCloth (Fotherington Thomas), Friday, 30 December 2011 20:24 (twelve years ago) link
I did not know that "would drown" was even a thing! I had no idea what it was doing ~on this thread~ when i wanted Welsh villages lost beneath the sea!
― Sheaths of ClammyCloth (Fotherington Thomas), Friday, 30 December 2011 20:25 (twelve years ago) link
FT, where you may have taken a wrong turn is in assuming that the detection of annoying properties in a person is tatamount to dismissing that person, as if they possess no further qualities worth noticing.
I find a grown woman who wears a tiara, however pretty she may be, to be annoying for however long as that tiara is in place. I can't help it. I feel the same way about men who do not ride horses, but who wear leather chaps. otoh, for all I know, they might both be very kind to stray cats and be capable of calculating how to divide the tip among a large group of people on a shared restaurant check.
― Aimless, Friday, 30 December 2011 20:27 (twelve years ago) link
Is "would drown" a thing? it's a few fathoms deeper then jsut would drown
― Carnitas, Friday, 30 December 2011 20:27 (twelve years ago) link
I NEVER SAID THAT FINDING A WOMAN ANNOYING WAS DISMISSING!!! I IMPLIED THAT FINDING A WOMAN ANNOYING MEANS YOU WANT TO FUCK HER!!!!!
The place where I took the wrong turn was not knowing that "would drown" is a thing in this world ILX!
― Sheaths of ClammyCloth (Fotherington Thomas), Friday, 30 December 2011 20:28 (twelve years ago) link
Oh wait, I have reread my phrasing. I kinda did. hahahahahhahahaa
― Sheaths of ClammyCloth (Fotherington Thomas), Friday, 30 December 2011 20:29 (twelve years ago) link
er. yeah. good catch.
― Aimless, Friday, 30 December 2011 20:30 (twelve years ago) link
ty
― Hongro4AS (nakhchivan), Friday, 30 December 2011 21:34 (twelve years ago) link
in a semiotics4u vein, i wonder if some of the consternation directed at today's song is cuz zooey d seems to have a lower voice than ljg levitt
― Hongro4AS (nakhchivan), Friday, 30 December 2011 21:36 (twelve years ago) link
Trying to paint this - again with the lighthouses. I could see no less than 2 lighthouses where I was staying. It was lighthouses and rainbows all week long, why on earth did I come back?
http://s0.geograph.org.uk/photos/03/04/030473_91943084.jpg
― Sheaths of ClammyCloth (Fotherington Thomas), Friday, 30 December 2011 21:38 (twelve years ago) link
also - there are way too many threads about whiney and whiney-related memes as it is.
― sarahel, Friday, December 30, 2011 4:10 PM (30 minutes ago) Bookmark
how many of them did you start
― nice catch cuauhtemoc blanco niño (dayo), Friday, 30 December 2011 21:42 (twelve years ago) link
that's not a contradiction -- there are too many, yet not enough
― Hongro4AS (nakhchivan), Friday, 30 December 2011 21:48 (twelve years ago) link
Less blah blah blah, more ridiculous paintings of LIGHTHOUSES
http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7163/6603092849_df8f0c5770_o.jpg
This is exceptionally lovely and smooth Single Malt, I might add. (Though next time I think I'll try the peated version.) There is apparently now Cornish Whisky (!!!!!!) but it's stupidly expensive.
― Sheaths of ClammyCloth (Fotherington Thomas), Friday, 30 December 2011 23:07 (twelve years ago) link
Super picture! Nice glowering skies and yet the sunshine is not too far off.
― los krampusinos! (pomplamau5), Friday, 30 December 2011 23:14 (twelve years ago) link
Thankee! The weather was so strange when I drew that - there was bright sun in Newlyn, but it was pissing with rain over the Mount, but there were dark clouds blowing overhead from Land's End almost above my head, but the sun was so low it was shining almost perpendicular in the gap between the two storm clouds.
Aaaaaaah, it's just such lovely lovely beautiful light that just does such amazing things I can never adequately express how much I love that country. KERNOW BYS VYKEN etc etc
― Sheaths of ClammyCloth (Fotherington Thomas), Friday, 30 December 2011 23:19 (twelve years ago) link
(I was out on the Northern pier in this kind of bus shelter for boats, rather than on the mainland, which is why it looks like the Mount is in a weird place compared to the actual photo)
― Sheaths of ClammyCloth (Fotherington Thomas), Friday, 30 December 2011 23:20 (twelve years ago) link
I have this poster up on my office wall
http://lemonodor.com/images/clui-immersed-remains-s.jpg
― Elvis Telecom, Saturday, 31 December 2011 01:09 (twelve years ago) link
(it's from this exhibition: http://www.clui.org/newsletter/spring-2005/immersed-remains-towns-submerged-america )
What a great exhibition/site! I love the name Neversink for a drowned village, don't care if the etymology is different, it's still wonderful.
There was a submerged town near where my Dad used to live in California, and when we visited, the reservoir was so low that we could see bits of it sticking out and the roads going in, but I can't for the life of me remember where it is. (And my Dad's photography website is so poorly organised that I can never find any photos I'm looking for - jeez, either code some keywords or get one Flickr, Dad.)
― Sheaths of ClammyCloth (Fotherington Thomas), Saturday, 31 December 2011 10:35 (twelve years ago) link
There is apparently now Cornish Whisky (!!!!!!) but it's stupidly expensive.
yeah my dad mentioned this at Christmas, also he brought us some Cornish red wine which is like 17% and sort of pleasant but not in a way comparable to a real red wine
― Extreme Lifestyle, Saturday, 31 December 2011 11:33 (twelve years ago) link
Eh, I dunno, Cornish wine is pretty canonical, they were certainly producing wine during the Roman occupation but then again, I think the climate was even milder then. I had drunk Cornish wine, but it was at a restaurant, I recall it being fairly nice, actually.
The idea of introducing (or reintroducing as the case may be- yes, yes, whisky was brought to Cornwall from Ireland by St Piran when he surfed over on a millstone, introducing both Catholicism and surfing to the counry at the same time) Dowr Toemm into Cornwall just strikes me as a supremely bad idea because the Cornish after Methodism made them give up drinking = inventing steam engines, amazing mine technology, building fantastical feats of engineering, sticking Wheals atop impossible chasms, etc. etc. while the Cornish plus Whisky = fish fights and brawling with the English.
But that's going to degenerate into another argument about ~racist stereotypes of "The Celts"~ with Tom D and Darraghmac.
Anyway, Cornish ZOIDER and Cornish mead is where it's at in terms of Cornish bouze gourmandising. Also ridiculous Skinners Ales of which I have never had a bad one.
None of this has anything to do with drowned villages but the unique combination of BOUZE and racist stereotypes of the British Isles is always a popular diversion on ILX. I should just give up and make an "I miss Cornwall so badly" thread and be done with it.
― Dowr Toemm (Fotherington Thomas), Saturday, 31 December 2011 12:52 (twelve years ago) link
also he brought us some Cornish red wine which is like 17% and sort of pleasant but not in a way comparable to a real red wine
― Extreme Lifestyle, Saturday, December 31, 2011 11:33 AM (5 hours ago)
if it's over ~15.5% then it's fortified like port or madeira etc
― Hongro4AS (nakhchivan), Saturday, 31 December 2011 17:07 (twelve years ago) link
good point - was labelled as a red wine tho so *shrug*
I am drinking a http://www.onlinebeerfestival.co.uk/acatalog/cornish_knocker.jpg atm, it is pretty decent and upholds their grand tradition of stupid labels for clowning aesthetes
― Extreme Lifestyle, Saturday, 31 December 2011 17:21 (twelve years ago) link
Aye, that one is good indeed, but if you can find a http://www.skinnersbrewery.com/uploaded_images/ginger_tosser_clip.png <-- that is absolutely my favourite of them, bcuz I love a honeyed ale.
― Dowr Toemm (Fotherington Thomas), Saturday, 31 December 2011 19:49 (twelve years ago) link