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Oh wow, you're lucky! Soon she'll be sleeping through,don't worry about it. Ophelia did from about four months (seven PM till 6 am).

nathalie (stevienixed), Wednesday, 21 February 2007 13:44 (seventeen years ago) link

Yay! Congratualtions natalie!

vicky (Vicky), Wednesday, 21 February 2007 13:54 (seventeen years ago) link

Awesome news! Congratulations Nathalie!

Here's something great about having two kids: they play together. Sometimes this devolves into fighting (at our house they even fight about imaginary things), but sometimes they play together so nicely and it's really great.

Sara Robinson-Coolidge (Sara R-C), Wednesday, 21 February 2007 14:03 (seventeen years ago) link

oh fanks. it's a bit overwhelming really. :-)

nathalie (stevienixed), Wednesday, 21 February 2007 14:05 (seventeen years ago) link

Gefeliciteerd, Nath! Don't feel guilty about daycare. There are pros and cons to both staying at home and going to daycare. We've seen our boys linguistic and social skills jump just by virtue of input from other kids and care-givers. You're not a bad mommy.

I'm wondering about a health issue. Cyrus, now 1.75, likes to carry around a bottle - it's his comfort item. It's time we should make him switch to a cup, but we haven't had the fortitude to deal with the crying. My real question is not so much about that, but about the volume of liquids he drinks. I know it's best not to give a kid that age more than a measly 4 oz. of juice. We only give him 100% juice and we water his bottles down so much that he only has a bit of juice. But he wants to have a bottle of milk or juice all the time. He wakes up in the middle of the night asking for a bottle a few times a night. Last night he drank 4 bottles during the night. He wakes up with his diaper soaked through. He cries and cries for it. He's also had sort of chronically loose poop, which makes me think he needs the liquid.

I know the answer already -- we have to be tough and just limit his bottles. But I'm wondering if maybe he's got some digestive/intestinal thing going on that makes him thirsty all the time.

Maria :D (Maria :D), Wednesday, 21 February 2007 14:05 (seventeen years ago) link

Yes, it sounds cruel, but you really have to let him cry. It's not good for his teeth either, I think, no? That said, I find it difficult to say no to Ophelia: she wants to be held so much. I just can't help it, I let her on my arm way too much probably. But I figure that one day she'll stop and that I'll regret not having her carried more. hah.

I find it hard about daycare but I know that it'll be a good thing. In march OPhelia will go two days a week. A friendn said that she'll make big jumps as they are stimulated* a lot. My mom and best friend however are adamant that keeping a baby as long as possible is much better. Hmm, I think I'll contact the daycare and see if I can still reserve a place. It's quite difficult.

nathalie (stevienixed), Wednesday, 21 February 2007 14:09 (seventeen years ago) link

I didn't put either of mine in daycare, and honestly, I kind of regret not doing so. Eight years of being a SAHM was kind of driving me nuts. (Maybe it would have been different if I had a shop and therefore had more interaction with adults, but on the other hand, that sounds pretty stressful.) Once I got Julia (the younger one) into preschool - finally! - she was happier and so was I. She has friends there and a lot of fun. I'm sure she would have loved daycare, too.

Maria, can you ask a doctor about the intestinal/digestive question? Because that has got to be really hard on your son's teeth. One possible compromise to make the transition easier: switching to water only bottles at night. Then he still has the bottle but at least it's not anything that is going to cause dental caries.

Sara Robinson-Coolidge (Sara R-C), Wednesday, 21 February 2007 14:15 (seventeen years ago) link

holy moly nath! congratulations! #2 scares the shit out of me, I would totally not feel guilty about getting some daycare help, don't be a martyr.

oh and regarding gestation, pregnancy lasts 40 weeks from date of last period, 38 weeks from fertilization.

teeny (teeny), Wednesday, 21 February 2007 14:25 (seventeen years ago) link

Yay Nathalie!

We have discussed whether there might be a no.2 one day, but we're going to see how we get along with one - right now I'm really not convinced I could go through pregnancy again (and I haven't even done childbirth yet). Mind you, I was doing fine until I went overdue - it's just this past week I have been somewhat miserable.

Meg Busset (Meg Busset), Wednesday, 21 February 2007 15:55 (seventeen years ago) link

Congratulations Nathalie!
Meg, our family lore for bringing on labor is to go to the diner and order the BLUE PLATE SPECIAL!!!!! Who knows what the Blue Plate Special was. Probably a lot of greasy food!

Beth Parker (Beth Parker), Wednesday, 21 February 2007 16:29 (seventeen years ago) link

Congratulations! We got two at once, and frankly, it's pretty hard. We are looking forward to the playing together part.

schwantz (schwantz), Wednesday, 21 February 2007 17:07 (seventeen years ago) link

Congrats!

Our kid's going to daycare at six weeks. I sure hope you don't feel guilty about sending a one-year old to daycare!

PPlains (PPlains), Wednesday, 21 February 2007 17:13 (seventeen years ago) link

There were things about having two kids 21 months apart that were easier, but mostly I remember in the early years there was just so much stuff to deal with - diaper bags and toys and car seats and high chairs and changes of clothes. Wrangling all the material goods of two small people was occasionally overwhelming.

jaq (jaq), Wednesday, 21 February 2007 17:18 (seventeen years ago) link

Congrats, Nath!

It seems like so many people I know are pregnant now, and I'm finding that I really really really want another one. Clearly not going to happen, and come on, I'll be 35 this summer, I'm already at the "advanced maternal age" period of my life, but wow, I WANT ONE.

Learning to live with "yeah, probably not gonna have any more" is sort of sad and a little hard.

luna (luna), Wednesday, 21 February 2007 18:05 (seventeen years ago) link

There were things about having two kids 21 months apart that were easier, but mostly I remember in the early years there was just so much stuff to deal with - diaper bags and toys and car seats and high chairs and changes of clothes. Wrangling all the material goods of two small people was occasionally overwhelming.

As the dad of two kids 21 months apart, this rings so many bells with me it's practically a campanologists' convention.

It's very tough at the moment; I'm not sure we'd have coped so far without the network of neighbourhood mums (people Pam met at the weekly drop-in centre when Ava was very young) who helped us out when Pam was in hospital and occasionally give her a break by taking Ava for an afternoon. Ava loves her sister very much but has a tendency to express it in a slightly unrestrained manner - the other day she almost gouged Tallulah's eyes out in her enthusiasm. I look forward to when the dynamic of their relationship is a bit different to the constantly dangerous scenario of the rambunctious 2-y-o running wild vs helpless 3-m-o tot who gurgles happily even when 2-y-o is dragging her off the couch to "play" with her.

Free time just vanishes when you have two, I find. One child might seem draining of your time and energy but you will pine for those days of just one kiddie. And, as Jaq says, the logistics of looking after/transporting/doing anything social with two is massively complicated vs one child.

No one should ever give you grief for relying on daycare or other outside help even if you have just the one child. Whatever helps you get by, whether financially or emotionally. Parenting seems to be this continuous balancing act between what you need to do to just to cope and what the prevailing expert opinion on any specific topic is telling you to do (whether feeding, sleep routine, weaning, toilet training, etc).

It's all worth it, though. I think.

Michael Jones (MichaelJ), Wednesday, 21 February 2007 18:58 (seventeen years ago) link

One of the big stressors with two kids is the constant monitoring of "fairness." Someone always feels like the unfavored child. Christmas is a nightmare of parity-calculation.

Beth Parker (Beth Parker), Wednesday, 21 February 2007 19:02 (seventeen years ago) link

Michael, STOP, don't make me doubt. ;-) I know what you mean, though, even though I'm not experiencing it yet. It scares me a little but I know that it'll only last two years... I think. Hope. :-)

I'll be 35 this summer

Hell, I'll be 34 when the second will be born. Do I care? Hell no, I wanted two and that's what I'll have. Hopefully. :-)

nathalie (stevienixed), Thursday, 22 February 2007 06:59 (seventeen years ago) link

Yes, but O. is also wee herself as opposed to the 9.5 year old I have, and um, you're married. Hi.

luna (luna), Thursday, 22 February 2007 23:51 (seventeen years ago) link


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