well, it'd be a good idea for a march or something else to make thing interesting (I guess this housing thing on the 6th might fill the bill).
― Dr Morbius, Thursday, 1 December 2011 16:49 (twelve years ago) link
there are marches every day, most just don't attract many people or much attention. tbh I think hardcore occupiers are just bogged down w/ logistics stuff right now. maybe there's gonna be a sustainable way to stick around and get press - there is a decent amount of money left (tho it's not gonna rain in at the same rate) and already a rented office. will there be anything as large as the times sq rally in the future? I'd bet on no, but it's worth noting that all the huge rallies had v. v. heavy union involvement = top-down planning.
― iatee, Thursday, 1 December 2011 17:06 (twelve years ago) link
so if the unions wanted to do more big events w/ the OWS stamp of approval (which anyone can really grab) that's a possibility for coming months
― iatee, Thursday, 1 December 2011 17:08 (twelve years ago) link
http://www.thecrimson.com/article/2011/12/1/occupy-goldman-recruiting/
Instead, the bank was simply one actor out of many, and certainly doesn’t fit the role of super villain as well as the Occupy Harvard folks imagine it does. For example, an excellent argument could be made that the millions of Americans who took on mortgages beyond their means are equally responsible as a group for the financial meltdown. Certainly, the 1999 repeal of the Glass-Steagall Act also figures prominently in our nation’s pre-crisis financial instability. It would be convenient if we could easily paint Goldman Sachs as the evil enemy of the 99 percent, but it’s more complicated than that.
someone please burn this school down
― iatee, Thursday, 1 December 2011 17:11 (twelve years ago) link
iatee/hoos/whoever - how are you guys coping w/ the fact that winter be coming/has come? living in a tent must suck if/when the cold weather really hits.
― big popppa hoy, Thursday, 1 December 2011 17:13 (twelve years ago) link
people aren't living in tents in ny anymore because zuccotti was cleared out by bloomberg. I think a lot of people have gone home, others are staying at churches + other random places. there's been a relative warm-weather spell lately but I'd be surprised if there's anyone sleeping outside by jan.
― iatee, Thursday, 1 December 2011 17:20 (twelve years ago) link
so y'all are just occupying in spirit?
― big popppa hoy, Thursday, 1 December 2011 17:26 (twelve years ago) link
during business hours
― Dr Morbius, Thursday, 1 December 2011 17:29 (twelve years ago) link
more and more these last couple of weeks i've been hearing the words "occupy 2.0," people asking "what do we do next?"
i'm still pushing for us to basically
http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/41VE%2BcqFW4L._SL500_AA300_.jpg
― HOOS aka driver of steen, Thursday, 1 December 2011 17:39 (twelve years ago) link
^ top down organization
― iatee, Thursday, 1 December 2011 17:40 (twelve years ago) link
yes and no: like the ezln & their good government communities, there's a tension at play when there's a military command structure for a force designed to protect a group of non-hierarchical community-run initiatives, but as the hilliard book makes clear, these were programs run by the people themselves.
― HOOS aka driver of steen, Thursday, 1 December 2011 17:54 (twelve years ago) link
and i mean its basically a cookbook in how to make this shit happen--our committees can do this.
― HOOS aka driver of steen, Thursday, 1 December 2011 17:57 (twelve years ago) link
I think ows is so different from previous movements, mostly due to the media+internet, that it's dangerous to compare it to / model it on anything. and I think if ows 2.0 is gonna be a success, it's gonna have to be radically different in the same way.
― iatee, Thursday, 1 December 2011 18:02 (twelve years ago) link
imo that prob suggests something that 'exists' online more than irl but remains capable of mobilizing and achieving things w/ tangible end results
― iatee, Thursday, 1 December 2011 18:07 (twelve years ago) link
plus lotsa Panthers got shot
― Dr Morbius, Thursday, 1 December 2011 18:18 (twelve years ago) link
and put on trial
― Lord Sotosyn, Thursday, 1 December 2011 18:20 (twelve years ago) link
it's dangerous to compare it to / model it on anything
Looking for analogies from the past as a guide is just plain smart, if it is done well. But you can't just stop once you've identified the commonalities; you have to go on and identify the differences and what they mean in terms of different opportunities and directions. Slavish adherence to past experience just repeats old mistakes and adds new ones.
― Aimless, Thursday, 1 December 2011 18:23 (twelve years ago) link
that Hilliard book is dope btw
― Shakey Mo Collier, Thursday, 1 December 2011 18:28 (twelve years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2N1g3Xps68g&
my old boss's boss's boss's boss
― HOOS aka driver of steen, Thursday, 1 December 2011 19:25 (twelve years ago) link
"I'm so scared of this anti-Wall Street effort. I'm frightened to death," said Frank Luntz, a Republican strategist and one of the nation's foremost experts on crafting the perfect political message. "They're having an impact on what the American people think of capitalism."
SUCCESS
― Shakey Mo Collier, Thursday, 1 December 2011 20:20 (twelve years ago) link
http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/ticket/republicans-being-taught-talk-occupy-wall-street-133707949.html
lol at the 'wonderful distribution' amongst mexican drug cartels.
― big popppa hoy, Thursday, 1 December 2011 20:40 (twelve years ago) link
that list is so gross
― rayuela, Thursday, 1 December 2011 20:52 (twelve years ago) link
i like how "one of the nation's foremost experts on crafting the perfect political message"'s answer to "people are starting to dislike this word" is once again "quick replace it with 'freedom'!" can i get paid to do this too pls
― difficult listening hour, Thursday, 1 December 2011 21:17 (twelve years ago) link
i love that it got out though, it's like getting a seminar in lightsaber fighting from darth vader
― HOOS aka driver of steen, Thursday, 1 December 2011 21:33 (twelve years ago) link
did i really just say that
is it possible Luntz is frontin'? where was that said?
― Dr Morbius, Thursday, 1 December 2011 21:36 (twelve years ago) link
Tell them, "You shouldn't be occupying Wall Street, you should be occupying Washington. You should occupy the White House because it's the policies over the past few years that have created this problem."
lol, THE OCCUPY MOVEMENT IS DOING THIS ALREADY!
― superb mario bothers (crüt) (step hen faps), Thursday, 1 December 2011 21:40 (twelve years ago) link
also "hmmm"
― Never translate German (schlump), Thursday, 1 December 2011 21:44 (twelve years ago) link
― superb mario bothers (crüt) (step hen faps), Thursday, December 1, 2011 9:40 PM (33 minutes ago) Bookmark Permalink
dude with an "#occupyDC" column in tweetdeck i CAN NOT TELL YOU how often i see this line
― HOOS aka driver of steen, Thursday, 1 December 2011 22:15 (twelve years ago) link
― Dr Morbius, Thursday, December 1, 2011 9:36 PM (38 minutes ago) Bookmark Permalink
The Republican Governors Association met this week in Florida to give GOP state executives a chance to rejuvenate, strategize and team-build. But during a plenary session on Wednesday, one question kept coming up: How can Republicans do a better job of talking about Occupy Wall Street?"I'm so scared of this anti-Wall Street effort. I'm frightened to death," said Frank Luntz, a Republican strategist and one of the nation's foremost experts on crafting the perfect political message.
― HOOS aka driver of steen, Thursday, 1 December 2011 22:16 (twelve years ago) link
I doubt Luntz is fronting otoh is he really stupid enough to let the press in on such a seminar without thinking about how it will play...? (ans: maybe)
― Shakey Mo Collier, Thursday, 1 December 2011 22:17 (twelve years ago) link
Well I've always wondered abt him bc he does those bits in the Colbert report. This list looks like the outcomes of the focus groups he does with Colbert.
I feel like he's basically saying that it doesn't matter if we see behind the curtain because that's how effective it is to say "careers" instead of "jobs"
― rayuela, Thursday, 1 December 2011 23:10 (twelve years ago) link
occupy boston: sonned over a sink beef?
― screwy lobsters and mice blights (govern yourself accordingly), Friday, 2 December 2011 03:54 (twelve years ago) link
they good ppl
― HOOS aka driver of steen, Friday, 2 December 2011 04:07 (twelve years ago) link
WeHo LGBTs marching Saturday
http://joemygod.blogspot.com/2011/12/saturday-weho-lgbt-99-march.html
― Dr Morbius, Friday, 2 December 2011 15:27 (twelve years ago) link
aaaand now OccupySF has devolved into what I expected it would: a large homeless camp
awesome
― Shakey Mo Collier, Friday, 2 December 2011 16:59 (twelve years ago) link
24hr event apparently underway in times square
http://a8.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/s320x320/384928_2741065892319_1427583604_2990990_1872315940_n.jpg
― Cuauhtemoc Blanco, Friday, 2 December 2011 22:59 (twelve years ago) link
http://www.foreignaffairs.com/articles/136402/george-packer/the-broken-contract
― iatee, Sunday, 4 December 2011 02:19 (twelve years ago) link
hunger strike across the street from my office. Guess I won't eat my lunch on the benches facing these guys.
http://occupywallst.org/article/ows-hunger-strike-new-outdoor-occupation/
― Dr Morbius, Sunday, 4 December 2011 13:28 (twelve years ago) link
that wells fargo mic check is so good. so stirring. when the applause comes in though, is that people applauding the sentiment of the mic check or the fact that they're being thrown out?
― judith, Sunday, 4 December 2011 13:59 (twelve years ago) link
think it's the latter :/
worth reposting
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S8ePZHSOmvQ
― dayo, Sunday, 4 December 2011 14:10 (twelve years ago) link
the occupy k st livestream is terrifying right now
― screwy lobsters and mice blights (govern yourself accordingly), Sunday, 4 December 2011 17:26 (twelve years ago) link
wha happen?
― sleeve sandbox, Sunday, 4 December 2011 17:45 (twelve years ago) link
I just see a lot of hoodies
― JmC (step hen faps), Sunday, 4 December 2011 17:52 (twelve years ago) link
they built a big temporary wooden structure/shelter overnight; park police came in and gave them orders to dismantle it, eventually cordoned it off, and began arresting people. there were a couple dozen people inside/atop the structure when the stream went out, and there's some sort of standoff ongoing afaik - the last shot you saw on the stream was of a bunch of cops trying to pull pieces of the building down and the cameraman falling/getting pushed over
― screwy lobsters and mice blights (govern yourself accordingly), Sunday, 4 December 2011 17:54 (twelve years ago) link
http://twitpic.com/7ocvl2
― screwy lobsters and mice blights (govern yourself accordingly), Sunday, 4 December 2011 17:56 (twelve years ago) link
arrests are starting now
― screwy lobsters and mice blights (govern yourself accordingly), Sunday, 4 December 2011 22:51 (twelve years ago) link
Why the cockshit did they try to build a ferchrisakes barn?
― camp yo lo tengo autumn sweater saturday night (rusty flathead screwdriver), Monday, 5 December 2011 01:46 (twelve years ago) link
fucking shit you guys
― HOOS aka driver of steen, Monday, 5 December 2011 05:21 (twelve years ago) link