my country is drowning

http://www.universetoday.com/am/publish/antarctica_getting_ready_heat_up.html

Low ozone levels in the stratosphere and increasing greenhouse gases promote a positive phase of a shifting atmospheric climate pattern in the Southern Hemisphere, called the Southern Annular Mode (SAM). A positive SAM isolates colder air in the Antarctic interior.

Also note that while the interior of Antarctica is coolling, much of the western ice shelf is being eroded and is falling into the sea.

When you posted the words "Apparently Antarctica is getting colder", what were you trying to contribute to the conversation?

"it's probably not as bad as they're making it out to be, so let's do absolutely fuck all." nice.

Yes, that's exactly what I said.

You did say, "I'm liberal in most things but for some reason I'm a global warming cynic."

But you didn't really explain why.

Maybe I'm cynical because of the general shrillness of the discourse - which this has already descended into. Science borne out of dispassionate scepticism has more weight to me than science with an ax to grind. And it seems to me global warming talk is generally accompanied by a preground ax.

My mind's not made up either way. Note I have said nothing to indicate that I support polluting the environment. I've expressed garden variety doubt about global warming. If your response to doubt is BURN THE WITCH then your critical faculties may be impaired.

This exists. A lot of the public debate is as you describe it, but that does not discredit the science.

The proponents of ID make essentially the same argument about evolution, that it is "science with an ax to grind."

Same goes for arguments about racial IQ. Proponents of "The Bell Curve" argue that their opponents are irrational and hyperbolic and that the criticism is not "borne out of dispassionate scepticism", but like evolution and global warming, the science is solid, regardless of the emotional response--the authors of The Bell Curve are wrong, regardless of how red-faced their critics get.

I could get hysterical about theory of gravity, but that wouldn't be a reasonable cause for you to doubt it.

My favourite bulldozed stately home is probably Clumber House.

http://www.giss.nasa.gov/edu/gwdebate/

http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/oa/climate/globalwarming.html

http://www.realclimate.org/

I link to this wiki article only because there are a lot of good links at the bottom: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_warming

Here is a list of scientists opposing global warming consensus: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_scientists_opposing_global_warming_consensus

this is such a huge problem - that and that sort of 'well, gee, who minds a bit of global warming if it means we get lovely balmy summers!' stuff. I think that's why people are trying to popularise the term 'climate change' instead - from what I've heard, the forecasts are for more extreme weather and raised global temperature overall, not for the same weather we've always had but a couple of degrees warmer all round. And then it's "what do these scientists know, going on about global warming when we've had the best snowfall in ten years - so much for that, eh" and a growing distrust of science, when the thing to blame isn't the scientists or their science, but the simplistic spin put on scientific discoveries by certain laymen.

WRT to the kerfuffle above, I think there is a distinction between "I am a climate change sceptic" and "I don't believe that climate change is responsible for beach erosion in Wales."

I'm giving Nu-Edward the benefit of the doubt that he meant the latter. However, I don't think it's really rational to cling to the former view after overwhelming evidence.

obviously i was just trying to wind you up into dropping the Science - with attitude. many thanks.

(mind you, they don't take standard light bulbs anyway)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aSq1cez_flQ

zooey is so annoying amirite

*gets annoyed furiously*

how can a grown woman in a tiara be considered anything but annoying? It cheapens the whole idea of irony.

Why on earth did you pick ~this~ beautiful thread of Wales and lost villages to go reviving with this?

Also post Trugh Bombs thread I ultimately utterly suspect any man who dismisses any woman, ESP an attractive one, as "annoying"

FT both of my posts were continuations of long-running memes on ILX

personally I don't have any strong feelings about zooey deschanel except that maybe she shaves her armpits too frequently

drown both of them

Also post Trugh Bombs thread I ultimately utterly suspect any man who dismisses any woman, ESP an attractive one, as "annoying"

1. FT is the arbiter of who is attractive
2. Less attractive people can be more annoying

Got it

INTERRUPTING COW!!!! MOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!

Wow, for someone who prides themselves on argument you sure are shit at it. (xpost to CKDH)

ZD is incredibly annoying, though.

Does no one remember Sunny Successor's pithy comment that started the Truth Bombs thread? Really?

HAVE WE ALL FORGOTTEN REAL ILX SO SOON?!?!?

Soon it'll be like that whole 11 years never happened and we'll wake up with Bobby G in the shower.

(I still want to know what on earth ZD has to do with Wales or drowned villages, though. Considering how much I loved drowned villages.)

I think it was something to do with Whiney wanting to drown-fuck her? Or... something. I never quite got the whole "Would Drown" thing.

Anyway, if "annoying" is potentially too gendered, can I at least call her an expasperating shithead? I fucking hate her 'quirky' 'wide-eyed innocent' 'ditz' schtick.

Um, EXASPERATING.

Does no one remember Sunny Successor's pithy comment that started the Truth Bombs thread? Really?

dayo's post was a joking reference to that exact post/meme!!

Is "would drown" a thing? Ugh, people are just so gross, and on Emsk's beautiful Welsh thread, as well.

SS's pithy quote was something like "when a guy calls a girl annoying, that's guy-speak for 'I want to fuck that chick' which is an instant break-up in my book."

So whenever I see a guy call a chick "annoying" I just think about that quote and laugh my head off. It renders a lot of ridiculous hate-threads much more interesting that way.

dayo's post was a joking reference to that exact post/meme!!

I did not know that "would drown" was even a thing! I had no idea what it was doing ~on this thread~ when i wanted Welsh villages lost beneath the sea!

FT, where you may have taken a wrong turn is in assuming that the detection of annoying properties in a person is tatamount to dismissing that person, as if they possess no further qualities worth noticing.

I find a grown woman who wears a tiara, however pretty she may be, to be annoying for however long as that tiara is in place. I can't help it. I feel the same way about men who do not ride horses, but who wear leather chaps. otoh, for all I know, they might both be very kind to stray cats and be capable of calculating how to divide the tip among a large group of people on a shared restaurant check.

speaking of which, john barrowman has a very attractive posterior

None of the men on that show are the slightest bit attractive, it's so disappointing. However, Gwen, jaysus ker-ist, she made me doubt my heterosexuality - which I think is all part of Russell T Davies' cunning plan, right? Well, Gwen's gay agenda certainly worked on me, just... wow. I think it was the Welsh accent.

also a doe-eyed, raven-haired big bottom bird just got divorced from one of british light entertainment's most ardent defenders of camp 'newsy wewsies' style music hall vernacular

BORING. Going back to my painting if no one has any more drowned villages or Welsh / Cornish weirdness.

ty

in a semiotics4u vein, i wonder if some of the consternation directed at today's song is cuz zooey d seems to have a lower voice than ljg levitt

Trying to paint this - again with the lighthouses. I could see no less than 2 lighthouses where I was staying. It was lighthouses and rainbows all week long, why on earth did I come back?

http://s0.geograph.org.uk/photos/03/04/030473_91943084.jpg

also - there are way too many threads about whiney and whiney-related memes as it is.

― sarahel, Friday, December 30, 2011 4:10 PM (30 minutes ago) Bookmark

how many of them did you start

that's not a contradiction -- there are too many, yet not enough

Less blah blah blah, more ridiculous paintings of LIGHTHOUSES

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7163/6603092849_df8f0c5770_o.jpg

This is exceptionally lovely and smooth Single Malt, I might add. (Though next time I think I'll try the peated version.) There is apparently now Cornish Whisky (!!!!!!) but it's stupidly expensive.

Super picture! Nice glowering skies and yet the sunshine is not too far off.

Thankee! The weather was so strange when I drew that - there was bright sun in Newlyn, but it was pissing with rain over the Mount, but there were dark clouds blowing overhead from Land's End almost above my head, but the sun was so low it was shining almost perpendicular in the gap between the two storm clouds.

Aaaaaaah, it's just such lovely lovely beautiful light that just does such amazing things I can never adequately express how much I love that country. KERNOW BYS VYKEN etc etc

(I was out on the Northern pier in this kind of bus shelter for boats, rather than on the mainland, which is why it looks like the Mount is in a weird place compared to the actual photo)

I have this poster up on my office wall

http://lemonodor.com/images/clui-immersed-remains-s.jpg

(it's from this exhibition: http://www.clui.org/newsletter/spring-2005/immersed-remains-towns-submerged-america )

What a great exhibition/site! I love the name Neversink for a drowned village, don't care if the etymology is different, it's still wonderful.

There was a submerged town near where my Dad used to live in California, and when we visited, the reservoir was so low that we could see bits of it sticking out and the roads going in, but I can't for the life of me remember where it is. (And my Dad's photography website is so poorly organised that I can never find any photos I'm looking for - jeez, either code some keywords or get one Flickr, Dad.)

There is apparently now Cornish Whisky (!!!!!!) but it's stupidly expensive.

yeah my dad mentioned this at Christmas, also he brought us some Cornish red wine which is like 17% and sort of pleasant but not in a way comparable to a real red wine

Eh, I dunno, Cornish wine is pretty canonical, they were certainly producing wine during the Roman occupation but then again, I think the climate was even milder then. I had drunk Cornish wine, but it was at a restaurant, I recall it being fairly nice, actually.

The idea of introducing (or reintroducing as the case may be- yes, yes, whisky was brought to Cornwall from Ireland by St Piran when he surfed over on a millstone, introducing both Catholicism and surfing to the counry at the same time) Dowr Toemm into Cornwall just strikes me as a supremely bad idea because the Cornish after Methodism made them give up drinking = inventing steam engines, amazing mine technology, building fantastical feats of engineering, sticking Wheals atop impossible chasms, etc. etc. while the Cornish plus Whisky = fish fights and brawling with the English.

But that's going to degenerate into another argument about ~racist stereotypes of "The Celts"~ with Tom D and Darraghmac.

Anyway, Cornish ZOIDER and Cornish mead is where it's at in terms of Cornish bouze gourmandising. Also ridiculous Skinners Ales of which I have never had a bad one.

None of this has anything to do with drowned villages but the unique combination of BOUZE and racist stereotypes of the British Isles is always a popular diversion on ILX. I should just give up and make an "I miss Cornwall so badly" thread and be done with it.

also he brought us some Cornish red wine which is like 17% and sort of pleasant but not in a way comparable to a real red wine

― Extreme Lifestyle, Saturday, December 31, 2011 11:33 AM (5 hours ago)

if it's over ~15.5% then it's fortified like port or madeira etc

good point - was labelled as a red wine tho so *shrug*

I am drinking a http://www.onlinebeerfestival.co.uk/acatalog/cornish_knocker.jpg atm, it is pretty decent and upholds their grand tradition of stupid labels for clowning aesthetes

Aye, that one is good indeed, but if you can find a http://www.skinnersbrewery.com/uploaded_images/ginger_tosser_clip.png <-- that is absolutely my favourite of them, bcuz I love a honeyed ale.