This is the thread for the Fox News "Daily Show for conservatives" thing

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well modern conservatism is founded on resentment of others and little else, so there you go. I prefer the sfgate article, really, I don't think surnow and his friendships with other self-mutilating bigoted loonies rates more than about 1,000 words. after this show bombs and everybody realizes 24 peaked two years ago he'll hopefully drop off the radar.

TOMB07 (trm), Friday, 16 February 2007 17:47 (seventeen years ago) link

honestly I am kind of afraid that this will catch on among a certain strain of conservatives as a way to indulge all of their most hateful tendencies (see: the Barack Obama clip) under the guise of comedy and "political incorrectness"

Goodtime Slim, Uncle Doobie, and the Great Frisco Freakout (bernard snowy), Friday, 16 February 2007 17:59 (seventeen years ago) link

we already have the all the cable pundits for that (matthews, hannity, o'reilly, etc.)

Euai Kapaui (tracerhand), Friday, 16 February 2007 18:00 (seventeen years ago) link

Um it's on Fox News. Seriously the certain strain of conservatives that this would catch on with is a lost cause anyway.

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Friday, 16 February 2007 18:01 (seventeen years ago) link

yeah but I mean, the openly racist shit that even they have the good sense to refrain from

Goodtime Slim, Uncle Doobie, and the Great Frisco Freakout (bernard snowy), Friday, 16 February 2007 18:02 (seventeen years ago) link

You are kidding, right?

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Friday, 16 February 2007 18:05 (seventeen years ago) link

I mean I don't watch Hannity or listen to Limbaugh, but they don't seem to refrain from much AFAICT.

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Friday, 16 February 2007 18:06 (seventeen years ago) link

"And that's the only kind of hybrid I approve of," said " 1/2 Hour News Hour" writer Ned Rice.

human/animal hybrids?

and what (ooo), Friday, 16 February 2007 18:07 (seventeen years ago) link

He hates Monsanto.

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Friday, 16 February 2007 18:09 (seventeen years ago) link

under the guise of comedy and "political incorrectness"

it already has, to a certain extent. For some inadvertant lolz, check the Politically Incorrect Guide series:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/e/ea/ThePoliticallyIncorrectGuideToIslam.jpg http://ec1.images-amazon.com/images/P/1596980117.01._SS500_SCLZZZZZZZ_.jpg

they be stealin' kingfish's bucket (kingfish), Friday, 16 February 2007 18:09 (seventeen years ago) link

History will not remember this well.

Moisture G Mess (The GZeus), Friday, 16 February 2007 18:09 (seventeen years ago) link

honestly I am kind of afraid that this will catch on among a certain strain of conservatives as a way to indulge all of their most hateful tendencies (see: the Barack Obama clip) under the guise of comedy and "political incorrectness"

-- Goodtime Slim, Uncle Doobie, and the Great Frisco Freakout (andrew.bryso...), February 16th, 2007. (bernard snowy)

Actually, I kind of hope for a couple more projects like this. The more damage to the conservative brand, the better.

After two days in hospital I took a turn for the nurse. (Fluffy Bear Hearts Rain, Friday, 16 February 2007 18:12 (seventeen years ago) link

"the greatest english literature is explicitly christian"
So Wuthering Heights doesn't count?

Moisture G Mess (The GZeus), Friday, 16 February 2007 18:14 (seventeen years ago) link

Berkley hasn't been the center of liberal identity for a generation. Tina Fey is a Republican. Daily show is funny to non-liberals too, because it's good satire, and it mocks the press as well.

These guys really believe all their hyperbolic bullshit about liberals. They also believe in their own martyrdom.

After two days in hospital I took a turn for the nurse. (Fluffy Bear Hearts Rain, Friday, 16 February 2007 18:23 (seventeen years ago) link

And they're making a good deal of money from these(or at least the rightwing book bulk-purchasing efforts have taken a shine to them) so they keep coming. Like with rightwing op-eds, i'm endlessly fascinated with these things:

http://ec1.images-amazon.com/images/P/089526031X.01._SS500_SCLZZZZZZZ_.jpg

http://ec1.images-amazon.com/images/P/1596985011.01._SS500_SCLZZZZZZZ_V46689618_.jpg

they be stealin' kingfish's bucket (kingfish), Friday, 16 February 2007 18:25 (seventeen years ago) link

and the one that started it all off

http://www.fromthehousetops.com/catalog/images/woods%20-%20history.JPG

it's that mix of self-perceived persecution, lazy anti-intellectualism/ahistoricism, and formless, undirected bile

they be stealin' kingfish's bucket (kingfish), Friday, 16 February 2007 18:28 (seventeen years ago) link

kingfish, I can't see the image. What is the title?

After two days in hospital I took a turn for the nurse. (Fluffy Bear Hearts Rain, Friday, 16 February 2007 18:34 (seventeen years ago) link

Tina Fey is a Republican.

she is?

akm (akmonday), Friday, 16 February 2007 18:36 (seventeen years ago) link

wait...FDR agreed to send a million Russian POWs back to Stalin?

We were on the same the side as Russia??

xxpost

METAL ROBOTIC HEAD FACE (scarymonster), Friday, 16 February 2007 18:37 (seventeen years ago) link

Politically Inc Guide to America History, as shown here:

One of the first things Stalin, Hitler, Mao and other totalitarians did was rewrite the histories of their nations, remaking the past to foster their control of the present. The American Left has done the same thing in our country: most American history books — both for students and adults — are riddled with PC nonsense that makes the Founding Fathers over into racist slaveholders, the settlers of the West into genocidal land-stealers, and the welfare state into as the harbinger of the ultimate triumph of liberalism.

[...]

Not PC, but all true:

* How colonial quarrels give birth to American religious freedom
* PC myth demolished: the Puritans -- racists? Not quite
* No, the Puritans didn’t steal Indian lands
* Why self-government is non-negotiable
* How the American Revolution was not like the French Revolution, with which Leftists love to equate it
* Why “providing for the general welfare” doesn’t mean that the federal government gets to spend money on whatever it wants
* The forgotten secret of the First Amendment to the Constitution: how states tell the federal government what it’s allowed to do — not the other way around
* The cardinal importance of the Constitution’s Ninth and Tenth Amendments: Just because it’s not in the Bill of Rights doesn’t mean it’s not a right — and whatever the states didn’t let the feds do was left to the states
* The tiny, easily overlooked clause in the Constitution that proved to be the source of the unhindered growth of big government
* Did the states have the right to secede from the Union? A frank examination of the evidence
* Was the war fought to free slaves? How the Civil War was more about other issues than about slavery
* Reality check: Lincoln’s views on race
* Why the soldiers fought: the Civil War, in the soldiers’ own words
* The Fourteenth Amendment and states’ rights: the truth about this much-misunderstood Amendment
* How government promoted waste and corruption in railroad construction
* How “fairness” crippled American farmers in the late nineteenth century
* Why government is itself the true source of monopoly
* Antitrust idiocy: Should antitrust laws be repealed?
* World War I: why Woodrow Wilson favored war
* The post-World War I peace conference: The disaster Wilson pretended not to notice
* How Woodrow Wilson’s much-heralded “idealism” paved the way for World War II
* The long forgotten truth about the Roaring Twenties
* Herbert Hoover: A “do-nothing” president? If only he had been!
* How the Left in the 1930s cravenly presented the “Soviet experiment” as a model for America
* The New York Times reporter who had full knowledge of Stalin’s crimes but covered them up
* The lunacy of New Deal policies: let’s help starving people by destroying food!
* How FDR’s anti-business zealotry delayed America’s recovery from the Great Depression
* World War II: did it lift America out of the Depression?
* FDR’s imperial presidency: did the architect of the New Deal break the law?
* How FDR got Americans into World War II — and may have made war with Japan inevitable
* FDR and Uncle Joe: the full story of just how friendly President Roosevelt was toward Stalin
* The Cold War: Yes, Soviet spies were a problem in America — contrary to Leftist myth
* Joe McCarthy: a paranoid idiot? No: the facts about this much maligned figure
* A shameful and forgotten episode: American Presidents send a million Russians back to Stalin
* The Marshall Plan: a great success or another failed giveaway program?
* How President Truman disregarded the Constitution
* Who was the real John F. Kennedy? Straight talk about a figure who has been elevated to mythic status by the Left
* How Chicago mobster Sam Giancana bankrolled JFK’s campaign in return for promises that Kennedy would help his mob dodge federal investigations
* Lyndon Johnson: his terrible legacy of failure
* How the liberalism of the 1960s discouraged all the right things and encouraged all the wrong ones
* Ronald Reagan: how he differed from all other modern presidents
* “Decade of Greed”? How charitable giving grew 55 percent faster during the 1980s than it had grown over the previous 25 years
* How Bill Clinton abused power, abetted Islamists, lied, and wasted billions of taxpayer dollars for nothing
* Affirmative Action lunacy: how, on Clinton’s watch, special permission was needed at the Pentagon for the promotion of all white men without disabilities


of course, it's always fun that the standard attacks on Wilson tend to highlight shit that neoconservatives pushed thru, etc

they be stealin' kingfish's bucket (kingfish), Friday, 16 February 2007 18:39 (seventeen years ago) link

The numbers and the history of Russian POWs liberated from German camps are a bit off, but there were plenty of ex-Red Army guys who seriously did NOT want to go back. Some of them were sent back anyway, where plenty were executed. Tombot and/or E.Telecom might be able to correct my history here.

they be stealin' kingfish's bucket (kingfish), Friday, 16 February 2007 18:41 (seventeen years ago) link

OH, OK. I thought they were saying they were "OUR" POWs.

METAL ROBOTIC HEAD FACE (scarymonster), Friday, 16 February 2007 18:42 (seventeen years ago) link

Thanks, kingfish.

Politically Inc Guide to America History

Hasn't this been roundly discredited as an error-prone tome full of unsupported assertions and cherry-picked facts?

(SHOCKAH)

After two days in hospital I took a turn for the nurse. (Fluffy Bear Hearts Rain, Friday, 16 February 2007 18:43 (seventeen years ago) link

lol at ALL OF SCIENCE BUSTED IN A SINGLE VOLUME

Dethrone the dictaphone, hit it in it's funny bone (kenan), Friday, 16 February 2007 18:46 (seventeen years ago) link

TAKE THAT, SCIENCE!

Dethrone the dictaphone, hit it in it's funny bone (kenan), Friday, 16 February 2007 18:46 (seventeen years ago) link

I think this is one of the reasons they push so much for vouchers/charter schools. They don't like their kids being "indoctrinated" by them libruls, so they're gunna do it right.

they be stealin' kingfish's bucket (kingfish), Friday, 16 February 2007 18:50 (seventeen years ago) link

here's the publisher's write-up for the anti-science book:

Science has been politicized—not by the Right, but by the Left, which sees global warming, Darwinism, stem cell research, and innumerable other issues as tools to advance its agenda (and in many cases expand the reach of government).

When liberals trot out scientists with white coats, debate is supposed to be silenced. But many of the high priests of science have something to hide—from blind intolerance of religion to jealous guarding of their federally financed research budgets...


and here's the NPR/Slate thing debunking the anti-history book

they be stealin' kingfish's bucket (kingfish), Friday, 16 February 2007 18:56 (seventeen years ago) link

someone please confirm el jeffe's insane statement that Tina Fey is a republican

akm (akmonday), Friday, 16 February 2007 18:59 (seventeen years ago) link

apparently she admitted so in an Oct 2004 ish of Life, but i can't find that article to back up that claim

they be stealin' kingfish's bucket (kingfish), Friday, 16 February 2007 19:01 (seventeen years ago) link

In 2004, in life magazine, and in subsequent interviews, she referred to herself as a Republican. She now refers to herself as an independent.

After two days in hospital I took a turn for the nurse. (Fluffy Bear Hearts Rain, Friday, 16 February 2007 19:04 (seventeen years ago) link

Life or Parade? The reference I found made it seem like the latter. Not that the Parade site was any help, instead there's stuff like this:

http://www.parade.com/images/2007/0211/Main021107.jpg

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 16 February 2007 19:07 (seventeen years ago) link

HA ha. Khaddafi's on that list, and doesn't stand a chance.

The Uzbeck leader is on there, but isn't the guy from Turkmenistan also a real good candidate?

they be stealin' kingfish's bucket (kingfish), Friday, 16 February 2007 19:10 (seventeen years ago) link

WHO WILL WIN THE COVETED DICKY THIS YEAR?

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Friday, 16 February 2007 19:10 (seventeen years ago) link

Kim Jung Il is the best

jw (ex machina), Friday, 16 February 2007 19:12 (seventeen years ago) link

He really hurt himself though by making some concessions in the last couple of months. I think this could be Putin's year.

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Friday, 16 February 2007 19:13 (seventeen years ago) link

what no Hugo??!?

Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 16 February 2007 19:21 (seventeen years ago) link

what no Hugo??!?

Uh, check the dude on the left.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 16 February 2007 19:26 (seventeen years ago) link

That's not Chavez. (I originally thought it was, too)

After two days in hospital I took a turn for the nurse. (Fluffy Bear Hearts Rain, Friday, 16 February 2007 19:28 (seventeen years ago) link

Isayas Afewerki currently has 76% of the vote.

After two days in hospital I took a turn for the nurse. (Fluffy Bear Hearts Rain, Friday, 16 February 2007 19:29 (seventeen years ago) link

Tina Fey is a godless, glassy-eyed Clintonista, and I don't want to hear any different.

Dethrone the dictaphone, hit it in it's funny bone (kenan), Friday, 16 February 2007 19:29 (seventeen years ago) link

Wow.

Those books.

Weept.

Øystein (Øystein), Friday, 16 February 2007 19:37 (seventeen years ago) link

many of the high priests of science have something to hide

isn't it distintly odd that they use this terminology. i can't fathom it.

Frogm@n henry (Frogm@n henry), Friday, 16 February 2007 20:15 (seventeen years ago) link

Certainly odd, but not unusual, unfortunately. The whole "science is just another religion" argument is used quite a bit. Search the web for phrases like "science is a religion" and "evolution is a religion" and you will find some of the saddest non-pornographic content it has to offer.

Øystein (Øystein), Friday, 16 February 2007 20:22 (seventeen years ago) link

projection, i think. Works the same way they term anybody who believes in any form of evolution(micro/macro) or natural selection as a "Darwinist." These scientists are just another partisian political party who are nothing but blind adherents to an ideology, a worship of a dead Victorian biologist. Research and evidence and peer-review don't mean jack shit. These scientists fall in line just as easily and as dogmatically as the rightwing authoritians do, and when these claims of "objective science" are challenge, they just "trot out scientists with white coats," so that "debate is supposed to be silenced."

It's like they finally grabbed onto the postmordernism/relativism that they decried for decades when they figured out they could use it as a club. There are no objective truths or facts, only a battle of opinions. Empiric reality doesn't matter, since facts & opinions are the same.

xp exactly

they be stealin' kingfish's bucket (kingfish), Friday, 16 February 2007 20:25 (seventeen years ago) link

It's like they finally grabbed onto the postmordernism/relativism that they decried for decades when they figured out they could use it as a club.

OTM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

These guys are the ULTIMATE relativists, they're not even aware of it most of the time.

After two days in hospital I took a turn for the nurse. (Fluffy Bear Hearts Rain, Friday, 16 February 2007 20:28 (seventeen years ago) link

yknow, the tactical polyvalence of discourse

max (maxreax), Friday, 16 February 2007 20:49 (seventeen years ago) link

http://www.slate.com/id/2159920?nav=tap3

and what (ooo), Friday, 16 February 2007 20:52 (seventeen years ago) link

Didn't the Turkmenistan guy die?

Chris H. (chrisherbert), Friday, 16 February 2007 21:00 (seventeen years ago) link


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