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It's my opinion that the most important thing you can give your children, the thing they will truly remember, is your time

Very true. I was going to say, with all this "can we afford it?" talk - the hurtin' isn't just on your wallet (and you can control that to a certain extent by being thrifty), it's on your free time, which (with two or more kids especially) may well dwindle away to nothing.

example-now typing one-fingered with fussy T in crook of arm...gotta go

Michael Jones (MichaelJ), Saturday, 30 December 2006 09:05 (seventeen years ago) link

Twohundred pounds on monitor: that'll probably be the one that prevents crib death, right? Not very useful as it tends to be *faulty* (will send of an alarm signal when baby's just asleep). Even though I was so scared of crib death, I decided not to buy it. Not only because of cost price - we could afford it - but it didn't seem trustworthy.

Toys? We have a lot but Ophelia prefers taking out all the paper out of closets. The first half year you don't need much at all.

We didn't think about the cost of having a baby. Mostly because it wasn't a problem. (Being the worrier that I am, it does However I didn't realize how much money can/is spent on a baby! WTF man. I did switch from yr fancy ass (hah!) Pampers to a cheaper (and imo better) alternative. Saves us a ton of money. Same goes with those towelettes: 1 euro instead of 3 euros. Hey and I knit her sweaters. ;-) Just kidding. But if I wanted I could save a lot of money on clothing by knitting all her sweaters (instead of buying'em). Still, no designer clobber for Ophelia. It's ridiculous even if you have the money.

We get £127/month in Child Benefit

WTF! We get about 55 pounds. Oh wait is that for two kids? I put all the money on her savings account.

Archel, that's one of my favourite baby pics EVER.

nathalie (stevienixed), Saturday, 30 December 2006 09:11 (seventeen years ago) link

(Being the worrier that I am,

Oops, this is what happens when you turn around and look at Ophelia crawling around: you forget to type the rest of the sentence.

nathalie (stevienixed), Saturday, 30 December 2006 09:57 (seventeen years ago) link

the most important thing you can give your children, the thing they will truly remember, is your time, and I personally think that the small conveniences of modern living that truly give us more time to spend where we choose are well worth it.

the most OTM post on any parenting thread evah.

m coleman (lovebug ), Saturday, 30 December 2006 12:39 (seventeen years ago) link

The most important thing is not to be an absentee father....like mine was and still is. That's why I'll never get married or have kids.

LynnK (klynn), Saturday, 30 December 2006 15:54 (seventeen years ago) link

My brother Charlie (25 years my junior -- go Dad!)

One month:

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/123/338594661_3b4e731ae8.jpg

Three months (on Boxing Day):

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/150/338630898_62d68693f9.jpg

caek (caek), Saturday, 30 December 2006 19:01 (seventeen years ago) link

babies are expensive? it the teenage years that scare me!

sunny successor (katarina), Saturday, 30 December 2006 21:10 (seventeen years ago) link

by then i'll have trained her to work for me. hey, she can already crawl behind the counter. wink wink

nathalie (stevienixed), Saturday, 30 December 2006 22:21 (seventeen years ago) link

We avoided one of the biggest teenage expenses when Sarah showed no interest in driving. Auto insurance rates for teens be buggin'!

Joe Isuzu's Petals (Rock Hardy), Saturday, 30 December 2006 22:46 (seventeen years ago) link

Well, if it's in yr genes: GREAT cause neither me nor the husband drives a car. :-D

nathalie (stevienixed), Saturday, 30 December 2006 22:47 (seventeen years ago) link

Your mileage may vary (HAW!) re: Belgian insurance rates.

Joe Isuzu's Petals (Rock Hardy), Saturday, 30 December 2006 22:51 (seventeen years ago) link

I had to work to get enough money to get my own car and insurance. You lot are really nice parents, or your kids are all spoilt.

ailsa_xx (ailsa_xx), Saturday, 30 December 2006 22:53 (seventeen years ago) link

I'd like to think it's the former. My parents paid mine, and my wife's parents did for her as well even though they were pretty poor. I wonder what percentage of parents do that for the kids, and what percentage put that on the kids to take care of?

Joe Isuzu's Petals (Rock Hardy), Saturday, 30 December 2006 23:04 (seventeen years ago) link

I was covered until my first ticket. Then the parents told me I was on my own, insurance-wise. Pretty fair in hindsight.

PPlains (PPlains), Saturday, 30 December 2006 23:42 (seventeen years ago) link

Can one of you lot adopt me please?

ailsa_xx (ailsa_xx), Saturday, 30 December 2006 23:43 (seventeen years ago) link

I added my daughter and my step-daughter to my insurance until they were 23 (cheaper than getting them their own policies). I also gave them AAA (and am continuing this) to prevent me having to deliver them gas/unlock their cars/tow them/worry so much. Neither my son nor step-son drove before that age (my son just got his license, a few weeks ago). I didn't think about PPlains parents' very sensible limit - thankfully, neither daughter had a ticket!

jaq (jaq), Sunday, 31 December 2006 00:18 (seventeen years ago) link

Can I ask what may be a daft question? In both my childcare books (Dorling Kindersley and Miriam Stoppard) there are handy charts as to how many sheets and cot blankets one should use on a crib/cot depending on the room temperature. But neither of them is very clear on whether your baby should be put to bed in a sleepsuit, vest and nappy, or just a nappy. What do/did your newborns find most comfortable?

(My baby overheating or getting a chill during the night is just one of the things I'm looking forward to worrying about!)

Meg Busset (Meg Busset), Sunday, 31 December 2006 15:02 (seventeen years ago) link

I think it just depends from baby to baby. Mine hated being swaddled, even in the hospital. I should have used a sleepsuit right away. Now I just put her in PJs and a sleepsuit. She also hase a onesie (?) on as well. Sometimes I just leave her in the onesie and her long sleeve shirt (and of course her sleepsuit).

Ah shit, sleepsuit is something different. Replace sleepsuit with sleepbag. Worked wonders for me!

So it's onesie+sleepsuit+sleepbag. Room temp about 21 to 18 degrees celcius.

your kids are all spoilt.

There are few things that cause a knee-jerk reaction but the line 'you're kid is spoilt' is one of them. I know you don't mean it the wrong way - or at least I hope not - but argh how I hate that line. :-)

nathalie (stevienixed), Sunday, 31 December 2006 16:45 (seventeen years ago) link

From a just-had-twins perspective:

1. No freaking WAY we would use cloth diapers. My mother-in-law disabused us of any thoughts of cloth diapers, and I'm glad she did.

2. With twins there is no chance for anyone to be an absentee parent, which is good, except when you want to take a break.

3. Last night, we switched from those fluffy terry-cloth-like baby suits to thin cotton ones, and wrapped them up in fleece swaddlers. They slept for 8 HOURS! I don't know if it was that, or the fact that we tanked them up with milk and formula before bed, or if it was just random, but it was awesome. Maybe they had been getting too hot in the night. If you use swaddlers, and the houe is relatively warm, I don't think you need blankets at all, at least at first.

schwantz (schwantz), Sunday, 31 December 2006 16:59 (seventeen years ago) link

Nathalie, you can take it any which way you want - if the cap fits and all that. My parents were, and have continued to be, very loving, caring, generous and supportive. But I didn't get stuff like driving lessons, car insurance, a car, etc etc - I didn't expect it and didn't want it. I was old enough to work and earn my own money, why the hell should my parents still have to give me stuff (I mean, I wouldn't have complained if they had decided they really wanted to, but I don't believe it to be as necessary as the need to feed and clothe me when I wasn't able to do so myself)? YMMV, obviously, and I didn't mean it as an insult so much as a casually tossed-away observation about what does and doesn't count as a necessary expense of parenting.

ailsa_xx (ailsa_xx), Sunday, 31 December 2006 17:05 (seventeen years ago) link

Meg - while we were still in the hospital one of the nursery nurses insisted that Alice needed to be in three layers (ie vest, sleepsuit, swaddle blanket) plus a blanket on top, so for the first few days this is what she slept in. And a hat too! But having got home she seemed perfectly warm (feel the back of the neck or the chest, not the hands or feet) in just a cotton sleepsuit with one or two blankets over her (and disliked being swaddled) so that's what we go with mostly now.

Archel (Archel), Sunday, 31 December 2006 21:25 (seventeen years ago) link

Yeah, cos Tallulah was so small and fragile, we were also advised to go with three layers, a hat and a blanket for the first few weeks. She still sleeps with a blanket. Ava has rarely slept in more than a sleepsuit or a onesie/T/pants/socks - and she's never had a blanket.

Michael Jones (MichaelJ), Sunday, 31 December 2006 21:55 (seventeen years ago) link

My Ava's been keeping a "diary" of late. Pictures accompanied by surreal stories. This is her explaining one of them to Tallulah.

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/147/340259556_fd5ef5b113.jpg

Andrew (enneff), Tuesday, 2 January 2007 07:59 (seventeen years ago) link

Stop it with the Ava and Tallulah confusions! I read that before the picture loaded and thought, wow, Ava's one clever kid, keeping a diary and writing stories before she's two. Then I realised it was a different Ava.

ailsa_xx (ailsa_xx), Tuesday, 2 January 2007 12:25 (seventeen years ago) link

I had not seen this thread before now, so...

CONGRATULATIONS ARCHEL FAMILY!

I did wonder about you at one point during the hoilday, you know.

PJ Miller (PJ Miller), Tuesday, 2 January 2007 12:54 (seventeen years ago) link

Thank you!

I managed to sleep from 3am until 9am today thanks to Matt doing early morning feeds, hurrah! Alice and I may even venture out later on to celebrate my relative lack of tiredness.

Archel (Archel), Tuesday, 2 January 2007 13:39 (seventeen years ago) link

Andrew's Ava is a beauty. (His Tallulah is too but that's Overstepping The Mark and beyond the scope of this thread.)

Apologies for the confusion; I could call my kids by their middle names, if you like - Galvin and Greer. But that makes them sound like sheet music publishers from the turn of the 20th century.

Do you want to see something sad? Do you promise not to forward to Social Services? Ava, the morning after clocking herself on the edge of a chair (check out the shiner on her left eye):

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/161/340782436_f8f00f3207.jpg

Michael Jones (MichaelJ), Tuesday, 2 January 2007 13:59 (seventeen years ago) link

She looks like she's gone 12 rounds with Cuddles the Monkey.

PJ Miller (PJ Miller), Tuesday, 2 January 2007 14:04 (seventeen years ago) link

Aww, ain't nothin' cuter than a kid with a black eye.

Stop it with the Ava and Tallulah confusions!

Mine were first!

Andrew (enneff), Tuesday, 2 January 2007 23:28 (seventeen years ago) link

One time my younger son had TWO black eyes when we went for a well-baby check-up. The pediatrician didn't even blink. He had rambunctious kids of his own—he knew how it is. I remember that one of the black eyes was from him lurching from my arms as I held him in my parked car and whacking his face on the side mirror! The other one was from falling onto a toy.
This same kid later broke his nose with his own knee when he lost his balance while squatting down to tie his shoe.

Beth Parker (Beth Parker), Wednesday, 3 January 2007 00:07 (seventeen years ago) link

Aww (wee) Ava...

luna (luna), Wednesday, 3 January 2007 03:08 (seventeen years ago) link

This same kid later broke his nose with his own knee when he lost his balance while squatting down to tie his shoe.

Oh, bless!

Ava's eye really coming on a treat now - will post some more pix to Flickr when I get the chance. She'll love me for this when she's 13.

Michael Jones (MichaelJ), Wednesday, 3 January 2007 09:12 (seventeen years ago) link

Ophelia's been pointing the remote control at the telly the last couple of days. It's so darn cute but also somewhat scary in a way.

nathalie (stevienixed), Wednesday, 3 January 2007 09:19 (seventeen years ago) link

I've opened up this here ILX Sandwich Box specifically to find out how Archel was getting on - great to hear that everything is going well and very many congratulations on Alice! Do get in touch if I can help in any way - dunno if they recommend going for a pint in any of your baby books, but um, it certainly worked for me.

NickB (NickB), Wednesday, 3 January 2007 13:58 (seventeen years ago) link

Louis does that with the remote too and we don't watch a lot of tv! just imitation I guess, he sweeps with the broom too.

I just recovered from a 24-hour stomach flu that had me puking every hour or two. I don't know what I would have done if my husband couldn't have stayed home with me, it was miserable. I lost six pounds and I was already underweight. I think my milk production went down, we tried giving Louis cow's milk and he was totally not having it! Everyone is fine now though.

teeny (teeny), Wednesday, 3 January 2007 15:32 (seventeen years ago) link

Oh! Poor Teeny!

Beth Parker (Beth Parker), Wednesday, 3 January 2007 16:07 (seventeen years ago) link

ava looks like shes in bikini kill

sunny successor (katarina), Thursday, 4 January 2007 03:14 (seventeen years ago) link

Oh I gotta tell you all this! It's the funniest thing. I've been telling it to everyone IRL (heh). Every night I'll read a little to O and then she'll stand up and page through the book (I'm holding). She loves to point to pics and text and then I'll tell her what it is. After about ten min I'll put the book away and say:"Now it's time to sleep, don't you think?" OPHELIA TURNS AROUND, FLOPS ON HER BELL! And she puts her thumb in her mouth and turns her head away from me. Yep, she puts herself in the sleeping position IMMEDIATELY.

Teeny, man, that's so crap. Hope you recover quickly. :-( I've been having mad crazy migraine attacks and they SUXOR. :-(

nathalie (stevienixed), Thursday, 4 January 2007 09:45 (seventeen years ago) link

OPHELIA TURNS AROUND, FLOPS ON HER BELL! And she puts her thumb in her mouth and turns her head away from me. Yep, she puts herself in the sleeping position IMMEDIATELY.

That's wonderful. I get Ava to sleep that easily maybe one night in six or seven.

(So, are we staying in the sandbox? I think we should. It feels a bit like lingering in the pub when everyone else has gone to the gig that was the original reason for meeting up.)

Michael Jones (MichaelJ), Thursday, 4 January 2007 09:51 (seventeen years ago) link

I kinda feel that way, too - there's been some good stuff here!

luna (luna), Thursday, 4 January 2007 23:27 (seventeen years ago) link

Bunch of youngsters with no kids over there anyway...

Ned T.Rifle (Ned T.Rifle), Thursday, 4 January 2007 23:33 (seventeen years ago) link

(lucky bastards)

Ned T.Rifle (Ned T.Rifle), Thursday, 4 January 2007 23:34 (seventeen years ago) link

No, I don't mean that - it's just sometimes when you've been up till whatever the hell the time is and you've still got ironing and clothes sorting out to do and you've just been on your hands and knees on the kitchen floor scraping godknows what off it and and then you go into the playroom and there's just stuff EVERYWHERE and you can't find the remote and all you want to do is crash and then one of them wakes uo and goes 'dad, i want to go to the toilet' and that wakes the other one who wants a drink...and...zzzzzz

Ned T.Rifle (Ned T.Rifle), Thursday, 4 January 2007 23:36 (seventeen years ago) link

where'd everybody go...

Ned T.Rifle (Ned T.Rifle), Tuesday, 9 January 2007 09:00 (seventeen years ago) link

one month passes...
I get Ava to sleep that easily maybe one night in six or seven.

Ha - it's all about routine and things have been a lot better in the last month. "Dummies and puppies?" Ava asks as I'm towelling her down post-bath; her cot contains a few pacifiers (yes, we'll phase 'em out eventually) and a couple of plush dogs, y'see. And off she goes.

Wearing her mum's specs:

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/164/386827890_6340eaf7f3.jpg

Out in the snow:
http://farm1.static.flickr.com/188/383710319_e7168e6806.jpg

Tallulah gets ready for snow outing:
http://farm1.static.flickr.com/66/383706273_03a6352d92.jpg

Michael Jones (MichaelJ), Monday, 12 February 2007 14:25 (seventeen years ago) link

AW

AWWW AWWW AWWWWW AWWWWWWWWWWWWW

you just broke me

emsk ( emsk ), Monday, 12 February 2007 14:27 (seventeen years ago) link

Two days to go, so looks like I may have a Sandbox baby...

Meg Busset (Meg Busset), Monday, 12 February 2007 17:44 (seventeen years ago) link

Could be a Valentine's Day baby like Ava! Fingers crossed for you.

Michael Jones (MichaelJ), Monday, 12 February 2007 17:47 (seventeen years ago) link

Sunny & I toured the maternity ward today. Coffeemaker & microwave in the delivery room, ooo wee!

PPlains (PPlains), Monday, 12 February 2007 18:06 (seventeen years ago) link


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