― horseshoe (horseshoe), Tuesday, 2 January 2007 22:23 (seventeen years ago) link
I'm not. I like to eat.
― Eric H. (Eric H.), Tuesday, 2 January 2007 22:23 (seventeen years ago) link
― giboyojimbo (gbx), Tuesday, 2 January 2007 22:24 (seventeen years ago) link
― a mediocre black-and-white cookie in a cellophane wrapper (hanks1ockli), Tuesday, 2 January 2007 22:24 (seventeen years ago) link
You don't need to tell me twice. You're talking to the only person in the world whose favorite performance in Magnolia was Cleo King's.
― Eric H. (Eric H.), Tuesday, 2 January 2007 22:24 (seventeen years ago) link
Yes, and I should probably stop talking about a movie that I basically have no strong feelings about.
― Eric H. (Eric H.), Tuesday, 2 January 2007 22:25 (seventeen years ago) link
I feel like I'm taking crazy pills! she was awesome! I'm not saying she'd be good in anything, but she was good in this! I started sobbing the second she shot Jamie Foxx a loving look during "I love you, I do"! okay, maybe that was an overshare.
― horseshoe (horseshoe), Tuesday, 2 January 2007 22:26 (seventeen years ago) link
― Eric H. (Eric H.), Tuesday, 2 January 2007 22:28 (seventeen years ago) link
she was almost always singing, though. anyway, I'm officially taking a deep breath and stepping away from this thread. but seriously, people who said you have no interest in seeing the movie, I'd reconsider. it's good.
― horseshoe (horseshoe), Tuesday, 2 January 2007 22:31 (seventeen years ago) link
― The Many Faces of Gordon Jump (Leon), Tuesday, 2 January 2007 22:33 (seventeen years ago) link
― has been plagued with problems since its erection in 1978 (nklshs), Tuesday, 2 January 2007 22:34 (seventeen years ago) link
― giboyojimbo (gbx), Tuesday, 2 January 2007 22:36 (seventeen years ago) link
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 2 January 2007 22:37 (seventeen years ago) link
― Alfred Soto (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 2 January 2007 22:38 (seventeen years ago) link
― Eric H. (Eric H.), Tuesday, 2 January 2007 22:39 (seventeen years ago) link
― bohren un der club of gear (bohren un der club of gear), Tuesday, 2 January 2007 22:40 (seventeen years ago) link
if you don't understand the difference between melisma in pop music and opera...? one is the vocal equivalent of the bent-note, blues-based 'runs' of a guitar solo - a showy improvisation intended to suggest the singer such that heightened emotion compels the singer to vary from the main melody (never mind that such variations appear to be de rigeur to be on tv) - the other is the written melody itself, without note-bending. the latter can be showy, sure, but what it's showing is the composer before the singer, and showiness is not always or even often of a piece with emotion - the singer has to rely more on non-improvisational, non-melodic devices for that purpose. but you weren't suggesting that jennifer hudson get on a stage with anna netrebko, right?
― nuneb (nuneb), Tuesday, 2 January 2007 22:43 (seventeen years ago) link
― nuneb (nuneb), Tuesday, 2 January 2007 22:44 (seventeen years ago) link
― horseshoe (horseshoe), Tuesday, 2 January 2007 22:45 (seventeen years ago) link
― nuneb (nuneb), Tuesday, 2 January 2007 22:45 (seventeen years ago) link
― nuneb (nuneb), Tuesday, 2 January 2007 22:46 (seventeen years ago) link
― Eric H. (Eric H.), Tuesday, 2 January 2007 22:48 (seventeen years ago) link
...outside of the noise board.
Somebody needs to find an mp3 of Forbidden Broadway's parody "And I Am Telling You, I'm Not Singing" ("I'm screaming, I'm screa-ea-ea-eaming. . .")
― Dr M (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 2 January 2007 22:49 (seventeen years ago) link
I will sacrifice a thousand fanboys to let this be true. Or just one Harry Knowles.
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 2 January 2007 22:51 (seventeen years ago) link
― Eric H. (Eric H.), Tuesday, 2 January 2007 23:13 (seventeen years ago) link
So basically you don't understand or know the genesis behind operatic melisma. (Many of those runs weren't in the original scores, especially cadenzas in bel canto singing; they were embellishments the singers added later to show how awesome they were and the best ones have, over time, become codified as "the way to sing it". See also baroque ornamentation.)
― Jesus Dan (dan perry), Tuesday, 2 January 2007 23:57 (seventeen years ago) link
― nuneb (nuneb), Wednesday, 3 January 2007 00:00 (seventeen years ago) link
― Jesus Dan (dan perry), Wednesday, 3 January 2007 00:02 (seventeen years ago) link
― nuneb (nuneb), Wednesday, 3 January 2007 00:04 (seventeen years ago) link
― Jesus Dan (dan perry), Wednesday, 3 January 2007 00:08 (seventeen years ago) link
― a mediocre black-and-white cookie in a cellophane wrapper (hanks1ockli), Wednesday, 3 January 2007 00:08 (seventeen years ago) link
this says nothing about how common it is to do so. would any major company do so in more than an aria or two in a tiny fraction of the operas it does?
― nuneb (nuneb), Wednesday, 3 January 2007 00:11 (seventeen years ago) link
xpost: Would you please stop trying to act like this is UNHEARD OF? It isn't. When you get paid to perform this type of stuff, I will start listening to you again.
― Jesus Dan (dan perry), Wednesday, 3 January 2007 00:13 (seventeen years ago) link
― nuneb (nuneb), Wednesday, 3 January 2007 00:14 (seventeen years ago) link
― Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 3 January 2007 00:14 (seventeen years ago) link
― nuneb (nuneb), Wednesday, 3 January 2007 00:15 (seventeen years ago) link
― bill sackter (bill sackter), Wednesday, 3 January 2007 00:16 (seventeen years ago) link
I do actually know what I'm talking about sometimes, as shocking as that may seem. And the point you are continually getting hung up on is a natural result of the evolution of a musical form moreso than anything else; let's see what pop R&B is like 200 years from now and see how codified things are. Hell, people ALREADY try to mimic Mariah, Whitney, Aretha, Diana, Minnie, Jennifer Holliday, et al note-for-note and we're only looking (in some cases) a remove of less than a year!
― Jesus Dan (dan perry), Wednesday, 3 January 2007 00:20 (seventeen years ago) link
― bohren un der club of gear (bohren un der club of gear), Wednesday, 3 January 2007 00:23 (seventeen years ago) link
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 3 January 2007 00:27 (seventeen years ago) link
also, at least 2 of the 6 on your list are operatically-trained, no? (I also forgive mariah her postmod melisma cuz she's so 'free-spirited')
dood even I wouldn't argue with Dan about this stuff
yeah dood, but I don't think you saw Parsifal in the womb or sang the Verdi Requiem in high school either
― nuneb (nuneb), Wednesday, 3 January 2007 00:28 (seventeen years ago) link
― horseshoe (horseshoe), Wednesday, 3 January 2007 00:30 (seventeen years ago) link
― nuneb (nuneb), Wednesday, 3 January 2007 00:32 (seventeen years ago) link
― horseshoe (horseshoe), Wednesday, 3 January 2007 00:33 (seventeen years ago) link
― nuneb (nuneb), Wednesday, 3 January 2007 00:34 (seventeen years ago) link
― horseshoe (horseshoe), Wednesday, 3 January 2007 00:36 (seventeen years ago) link
― nuneb (nuneb), Wednesday, 3 January 2007 00:41 (seventeen years ago) link
― Jesus Dan (dan perry), Wednesday, 3 January 2007 01:11 (seventeen years ago) link