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This guy must work for Phillip Morris.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Thursday, 15 February 2007 17:43 (seventeen years ago) link

You know, I think Some People just can't get their heads around the idea that some people are bartenders and actually like it, and are proud of it, and probably if they thought about it enough don't want to die 15 years before their spouses do. It reminds me a lot of the NYC transit strike, when people were like "wait a minute, these drivers make $65,000 a year??!" as if that was some ridiculously inflated salary for what they do. As if people doing these "dirty" jobs are just not entitled to expect what others expect for similar work.

― Euai Kapaui (tracerhand), Thursday, 15 February 2007 17:43 (seventeen years ago) link

The air in bars is crappy enough without having to breath cigarette smoke frankly.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Thursday, 15 February 2007 17:45 (seventeen years ago) link

i feel like we're witnessing the finale of some flowers for algernon scenario here

-- and what (an...), Today. (later)

lol

― a mediocre black-and-white cookie in a cellophane wrapper (hanks1ockli), Thursday, 15 February 2007 17:46 (seventeen years ago) link

There's that, and also the lowest common denom or deflation of salaries. I.e. people getting all mad at folks who actually make a good living when they themselves work at a place with shit wages.

The anger gets redirected towards the people making a living wage, not at the companies lowballing the pay rates(and supporting politicos and pundits who go on about how the min.wage will destroy business, bring on communism, violate your daughters, etc)

― kingfish in absentia (kingfish), Thursday, 15 February 2007 17:48 (seventeen years ago) link

ok, it's already been established you have a CHOICE of workplace and if you chose to work in a bar, that's YOUR problem.
Other place doesn't pay as much? Suck it up or start a business.

Know why non-smoking bars didn't exist? people didn't want them.
However, non-smoking restaraunts that sevre liqour did.

Oh, and yes, I do just want the last word at this point. I can agree to disagree, but not to people calling me stupid because they disagree.
63k is actually a barely managable wage for people who actually want to retire, and I think the fact that people somehow still think 30k a year will cut is really sad.
No one saves money ay more, we're all in debt up to our eyeballs, and we still can't see something that simple...

I know some people who are bartenders and like it.
They knew the industry they were getting into, and half of them already smoked. The other half were annoyed at the drop in cigarettes sales and number of customers.

― Water G Wiz Changes his username regularly already (The GZeus), Thursday, 15 February 2007 17:51 (seventeen years ago) link

GZeus I could count the number of bartenders in New York who are really fed up about the smoking ban on one hand. The vast, vast majority love it.

― Euai Kapaui (tracerhand), Thursday, 15 February 2007 17:53 (seventeen years ago) link

my only thing with the smoking ban is that I think it should legislated differently. Like, fuck a ban, and fines that go to the city. Send the atty generals of a few states after some places that are going out of business anyway - set a precedent for later class-action civil suits, put the liability on the bars, but let them take their chances. Most places would self-enforce. Smoking bars would be staffed by smoking bartenders. The End.

― TOMB07 (trm), Thursday, 15 February 2007 17:54 (seventeen years ago) link

"They knew the industry they were getting into, and half of them already smoked. The other half were annoyed at the drop in cigarettes sales and number of customers."

I call bullshit.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Thursday, 15 February 2007 17:55 (seventeen years ago) link

What is the Idolatry of the Market?

― kingfish in absentia (kingfish), Thursday, 15 February 2007 17:55 (seventeen years ago) link

How would you assess liability for somebody who worked for a place for like, a year and a half before moving on to another bar, though?

I would totally be in favor of places being able to apply for hugely expensive smoking licenses, in the same way dance clubs or carnivals have to get extra permits. And the establishment would be obligated to pay for really good health-care (the same way other high-risk workplaces do). You could have these, like, smoking EMPORIA.

― Euai Kapaui (tracerhand), Thursday, 15 February 2007 17:58 (seventeen years ago) link

"GZeus I could count the number of bartenders in New York who are really fed up about the smoking ban on one hand. The vast, vast majority love it."
I don't live in New York.

I would have been fine with tax breaks for non-smoking bars.

― Water G Wiz Changes his username regularly already (The GZeus), Thursday, 15 February 2007 17:59 (seventeen years ago) link

-- Euai Kapaui (tracerhan...)

this is otm

― and what (ooo), Thursday, 15 February 2007 18:01 (seventeen years ago) link

So uh, that clip is really amazingly unfunny.

― METAL ROBOTIC HEAD FACE (scarymonster), Thursday, 15 February 2007 18:06 (seventeen years ago) link

There are places where they're allowed to smoke still and sell beer, btw. in wicker park there's this smoking lounge run by phillip morris

― deej (deej), Thursday, 15 February 2007 18:08 (seventeen years ago) link

Yeah I think in SF if everyone who works in a bar is a part owner and they have voted to allow smoking that it is allowed. There are a couple of establishments like that.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Thursday, 15 February 2007 18:09 (seventeen years ago) link

Wow, something I like in CA... Cool.

Could we get back to talking about this toilet of a TV show? I think both sides have said their peice.

― Water G Wiz Changes his username regularly already (The GZeus), Thursday, 15 February 2007 18:11 (seventeen years ago) link

What is to say? It's awful.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Thursday, 15 February 2007 18:12 (seventeen years ago) link

Like, so bad it's not even laugh AT-able?
If that's true, then I'm glad I didn't watch those clips. I assumed they'd get me fuming, and sounds like I was right.

― Water G Wiz Changes his username regularly already (The GZeus), Thursday, 15 February 2007 18:14 (seventeen years ago) link

if everyone who works in a bar is a part owner and they have voted to allow smoking that it is allowed.

I would be surprised if that's the case. If so, it shows how pathetic the demand from bartenders themselves is to keep smoking going in most places. (I would be very interested in the mechanics of the "vote" at a bar run by Philip Morris).

I suspect that instead it's like NYC, where as long as at least 10% of the establishment's receipts are from tobacco you can smoke to your heart's content. i.e. you are a CUSTOMER for the product, rather than bringing it in with you.

I wonder how GZeus feels about the longstanding smoking ban in cinemas. Those places used to be a smoker's paradise.

― Euai Kapaui (tracerhand), Thursday, 15 February 2007 18:14 (seventeen years ago) link

proactive vs. reactive

― Goodtime Slim, Uncle Doobie, and the Great Frisco Freakout (bernard snowy), Thursday, 15 February 2007 18:15 (seventeen years ago) link

Any reaction from Stewart or Colbert yet?

― jw (ex machina), Thursday, 15 February 2007 18:15 (seventeen years ago) link

(xpost)It's so bad, it's just uncomfortable to watch. It's to stupid to get anyone mad and the ohmigod I can't believe someone made something so crap laughs don't last more than a few seconds.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Thursday, 15 February 2007 18:17 (seventeen years ago) link

daily show no longer on youtube?

― deej (deej), Thursday, 15 February 2007 18:18 (seventeen years ago) link

still listed as running next weekend.

more here. Includes a 2nd YT vid, "where the show's producers discuss who might be offended at it."

― they be stealin' kingfish's bucket (kingfish), Thursday, 15 February 2007 18:19 (seventeen years ago) link

"I would be surprised if that's the case. If so, it shows how pathetic the demand from bartenders themselves is to keep smoking going in most places."

It is the case. Or at least according to the owner of Amber (in SF), it's the case. There is one other place that is run the same way, I think (the Phonebooth maybe?)

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Thursday, 15 February 2007 18:19 (seventeen years ago) link

http://www.mediabistro.com/tvnewser/original/surnowfeb14.jpg

― they be stealin' kingfish's bucket (kingfish), Thursday, 15 February 2007 18:24 (seventeen years ago) link

Saw a brief segment about this on the news last night. They sat some Young Repubs. president in front of it, and when a zinger like, "OMG Obama popularity ratings among Dems down to all-time low of 99.9%!!!1" he turned to the camera, slight smirk on his face, and say, "That was funny!" -- without laughing.

― Donkey Kong New York (Lee), Thursday, 15 February 2007 18:33 (seventeen years ago) link

isn't this going to give people a nice easy way of attacking Fox News over being "fair and balanced"?

― jw (ex machina), Thursday, 15 February 2007 18:49 (seventeen years ago) link

OBAMA MORE LIKE OSAMA

― deej (deej), Thursday, 15 February 2007 18:59 (seventeen years ago) link

Barack Obama? More like Black Osama!

― The Many Faces of Gordon Jump (Leon), Thursday, 15 February 2007 19:00 (seventeen years ago) link

The racial stuff in that clip is disgusting - marion barry, 'who's more diverse' w/ tiger woods article, etc

― deej (deej), Thursday, 15 February 2007 19:01 (seventeen years ago) link

the cover story of "about that 'hussein' thing" was one of the worst things. I mean, what about it? Next episode: Michael Moore is fat.

― Dethrone the dictaphone, hit it in it's funny bone (kenan), Thursday, 15 February 2007 19:31 (seventeen years ago) link

tombot: i appreciate all the time you took to help ppl with killfile in the sandbox, but i'm currently really glad i didnt use it.

― Rick Gibralter (grady), Thursday, 15 February 2007 19:54 (seventeen years ago) link

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3WCNc7JZ24k

― After two days in hospital I took a turn for the nurse. (Fluffy Bear Hearts Rain, Thursday, 15 February 2007 21:02 (seventeen years ago) link

Ann Coulter's line at the end was a little funny.

― jw (ex machina), Thursday, 15 February 2007 22:14 (seventeen years ago) link

because its true

― deej (deej), Thursday, 15 February 2007 22:25 (seventeen years ago) link

god neither of these clips resembles anything close to proper satire. and the stuff being telegraphed in the obama bit is absolutely insane! like, unless you're a fucking flat-out racist, why else would the *extent* of the democratic love affair with obama be funny on it's own? and the limbaugh/coulter thing, that's satire how exactly? that republicans are supposed to find the prospect of those two in power somehow FUNNY = their idea of humor is actually pretty nervous and self-consoling

― ^@^ (map), Thursday, 15 February 2007 23:03 (seventeen years ago) link

If the democrats were fucking as badly as them, do you think it'd be any different? (of course, liberals are intrinsically somewhat funnier tho)

― jw (ex machina), Thursday, 15 February 2007 23:23 (seventeen years ago) link

democrats fuck badly?

― Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 15 February 2007 23:25 (seventeen years ago) link

Bubba was pretty good at it by all accounts

― Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 15 February 2007 23:25 (seventeen years ago) link

liberals are intrinsically somewhat funnier tho

liberals = better educated
smarter people "get" more jokes, tell better jokes
Suck on THAT stereotype, red-staters!

― The PEW Research Center for Panty-Twisting (Rock Hardy), Thursday, 15 February 2007 23:33 (seventeen years ago) link

http://www.1comedian.com/BillSacra-ArchieBunker.jpg vs http://www.counselingseattle.com/images/NilesFrazier.gif

― they be stealin' kingfish's bucket (kingfish), Thursday, 15 February 2007 23:36 (seventeen years ago) link

(of course, their lines were written by left-leaning folks on tv shows created by left-leaning folks)

― they be stealin' kingfish's bucket (kingfish), Thursday, 15 February 2007 23:37 (seventeen years ago) link

I was gonna say.

― The PEW Research Center for Panty-Twisting (Rock Hardy), Thursday, 15 February 2007 23:38 (seventeen years ago) link

Kelsey Grammar is a rightwing asshole

― Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 15 February 2007 23:38 (seventeen years ago) link

Wasn't the dude who played Bunker a left winger?

― jw (ex machina), Thursday, 15 February 2007 23:39 (seventeen years ago) link

Kelsey Grammer read whatever lines were put into his mouth for a paycheck.

― The PEW Research Center for Panty-Twisting (Rock Hardy), Thursday, 15 February 2007 23:40 (seventeen years ago) link

and if i need to be head-trauma-inducing obvious, i meant the characters, not the actors, obv.

thus the contrast of niles vs archie

― they be stealin' kingfish's bucket (kingfish), Thursday, 15 February 2007 23:53 (seventeen years ago) link

Bubba was pretty good at it by all accounts

LOL a++

― ^@^ (map), Thursday, 15 February 2007 23:54 (seventeen years ago) link

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