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Thanks Nath :)

The crap thing about pumping is that I'm seeing the amount coming out and it looks so feeble, which makes me anxious, which makes the milk less likely to come... so it's a vicious circle. But I'm getting there. And most of the time I'm on a total high despite it all :)

Flickr: http://www.flickr.com/photos/20144310@N00/sets/72157594427098596/

Archel (Archel), Friday, 22 December 2006 20:39 (seventeen years ago) link

Am I remembering right that the local La Leche League people here had some suggestions for increasing milk production? A beer or something before starting? Or was that for relaxation purposes...? It sesms like there is some kind of tea available in health food stores that is supposed to increase milk production as well. I'll ask my friend - who was a LLL leader - when she gets here to make cookies.

Also, I had a problem where I was so engorged at first that it seemed like the milk didn't want to come out. What helped was applying hot rags to my breasts with disposable diapers over them (to keep them warm) before pumping. Taking a hot shower or bath would likely do the same. (I don't know if that helps at all, but I suppose it can't hurt...)

Sara Robinson-Coolidge (Sara R-C), Friday, 22 December 2006 21:01 (seventeen years ago) link

Also, I think it's great that you're persisting in your breastfeeding efforts, Archel!

Sara Robinson-Coolidge (Sara R-C), Friday, 22 December 2006 21:02 (seventeen years ago) link

Okay, this is per my friend, C., an ex-LLL leader:

The type of tea that is supposed to increase milk production is fenugreek. LLL doesn't recommend beer anymore due to the alcohol and also it isn't a substantiated thing that it increases milk production. Frequency of nursing should increase milk production.

I hope that helps some... if I think of anything else (or she mentions anything else) I'll post.

Sara Robinson-Coolidge (Sara R-C), Friday, 22 December 2006 21:08 (seventeen years ago) link

Ah heck, Archel, I'm MEGAproud you persist in giving breastmilk! Yes, you heard it, not only did I think you look so gorgeous with your belly - which I will now miss - I'm proud you are going through with it. I pumped as well and good golly those few times I didn't get any decent amount of milk out either. (This is someone who woke up in her hospital bed with a milk-soaked sheet.) The quantity doesn't matter, the fact you are giving your baby milk is what matters! And like Sara says, frequency will turn your breasts into gigantic milk factories. ;-) Don't give up! :-) I know how hard it is, you're tired and a little bit down (cause of not enough milk blabla) but in a few weeks you and your breasts will get the hang of it. :-)

Just heard an awful awful story... Woman being beaten, babies not really being treated well... It makes me so sad. :-(

nathalie (stevienixed), Friday, 22 December 2006 21:41 (seventeen years ago) link

THANK YOU Sara! I will try fenugreek tea (my midwife recommended fennel) and warm baths definitely seem to get things moving so will continue with applying heat generally.

I miss my belly too Nath! Although I still have the sad deflated football version of it... I can't believe Alice came out of there to be honest.

Thanks for all your support - it will make getting up at 4am to feed/express that bit more endurable...

Archel (Archel), Friday, 22 December 2006 23:50 (seventeen years ago) link

What a sweetpea! I've come over all clucky just now.

luna (luna), Saturday, 23 December 2006 00:13 (seventeen years ago) link

There needs to be a pass-around-the-babies FAP. A FAB.

Beth Parker (Beth Parker), Saturday, 23 December 2006 02:40 (seventeen years ago) link

Beth, what a fun idea...

Archel - hope some of those ideas help! I totally remember getting up in the middle of the night to pump; my husband used to try to get up, too, so he could wash up the equipment afterward. One time I tried to get up quietly so he would get a bit of extra sleep and he got irritated with me. I was like, "one of us should be sleeping here!!!!" I think he got my point... otherwise, that whole first year is kind of a haze...

Sara Robinson-Coolidge (Sara R-C), Saturday, 23 December 2006 14:23 (seventeen years ago) link

i love these parenting threads. that pic with the library card is so cute!

Gem (gem ), Saturday, 23 December 2006 14:34 (seventeen years ago) link

Sorry, had to post this.

Cutest swaddler ever:
http://farm1.static.flickr.com/155/331222961_f7acbbf084.jpg

schwantz (schwantz), Sunday, 24 December 2006 18:16 (seventeen years ago) link

Oh, bless.

Did the cookie dash across SE London tonight with our homemade gifts for the neighbourhood mums, and received a few visits ourselves. What a lovely start to the holiday - especially the big, unprompted kiss from little Campbell when I dropped off their present.

Tallulah has finally dozed off, Ava has been down since her bath at 8pm.

A merry Christmas to you all!

Michael Jones (MichaelJ), Sunday, 24 December 2006 23:48 (seventeen years ago) link

My chidlren enjoying the Christmassyness of it all...
http://farm1.static.flickr.com/157/332614813_3fd84736f0.jpg?v=1167043708

Merry Christmas and Happy New Year Parents!!!

Ned T.Rifle (Ned T.Rifle), Monday, 25 December 2006 10:54 (seventeen years ago) link

Ava with her primary gift:

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/146/333146077_1553762b97.jpg

Ava rolling around in gift-saturated heaven:

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/125/333143296_c4dca8edde.jpg

Ava showing Tallulah there's no hard feelings despite the clashing outfit faux-pas:

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/125/333135029_42e71d6498.jpg

Michael Jones (MichaelJ), Tuesday, 26 December 2006 01:55 (seventeen years ago) link

Archel - I hope you are are having the BEST Christmas/Holiday ever. because everyone should be cuddling Alice and giving you presents...and a libation.

aimurchie (aimurchie), Tuesday, 26 December 2006 04:40 (seventeen years ago) link

Michael, what the hell are you doing having hijacked both my kid and partner's names for your own!

Andrew (enneff), Tuesday, 26 December 2006 07:27 (seventeen years ago) link

Hey Michael, how's the camera? I'm growing FED UP with mine. :-( It doesn't react as quick as it should and when it's on camera mode it does preview first. BUMMAH. We bought a few presents for Ophelia. She LOVED the fischer-price house I had grown obsessed with. It was so darn cute seeing her ring the bell, open the postbox and also shyly smile at my FIL for assembling it. Nearly made me cry. She's turning into a real girl. :-)

However she's grown fed up with the formula milk so I think we'll need to introduce a *proper* breakfast and give the milk as a *side dish*.

nathalie (stevienixed), Tuesday, 26 December 2006 09:22 (seventeen years ago) link

Andrew - I had no idea there was a Tallulah in your life too! I obviously haven't been checking your Flickr photostream enough (I'll make you a "friend" and you can see a few more of the kids' pics). Maybe I've been subconsciously stalking you the whole time. ("Tallulah" was Pam's idea, I was lobbying for "Iris", but I've come round to it; Ava calls her "Yuyu", so Lulu it is).

I spent most of yesterday firmly in the "basic zone" on the 300D but I'll start experimenting with it a bit more today having had a peek at the manual. The top two above were taken with the 300D, the bottom one with the Ixus i. It's pretty great - God bless Pam, eBay and PayPal accounts linked to credit cards...

Michael Jones (MichaelJ), Tuesday, 26 December 2006 10:35 (seventeen years ago) link

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/133/333770954_eb76992edd.jpg?v=0

With the Fischer Price house.

I'm very keen to get myself a SLR camera - once I have saved up enough money - cause the one we have now is sooooo fucking slow to react! If I want to take a pic NOW, that doesn't mean five minutes later cause then O is somewhere ELSE. Grrr.

nathalie (stevienixed), Tuesday, 26 December 2006 13:51 (seventeen years ago) link

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/163/333776354_63c01a1fc2.jpg?v=0

RInging the doorbell!

nathalie (stevienixed), Tuesday, 26 December 2006 13:52 (seventeen years ago) link

s4mmy, about to kick my butt this morning:
http://farm1.static.flickr.com/164/333915379_a1d81dc58f_m.jpg

Matt Cibula (Formerly, the Haikunym), Tuesday, 26 December 2006 14:30 (seventeen years ago) link

S4mmy don't want no FAB.
I want a FAB! I almost passed out with joy seeing my nieces and nephew on Christmas eve.
I want a FAB/FAP - a cuddle and a pint.

aimurchie (aimurchie), Tuesday, 26 December 2006 16:51 (seventeen years ago) link

Hi aimurchie :)

Ah, nothing says Christmas like pacing the room with a crying baby at 3am... and yet mere hours later she looks so angelic:
http://farm1.static.flickr.com/140/334185899_22bb9309ca.jpg?v=0

Oh and I love Ophelia's skirt nathalie.

Archel (Archel), Tuesday, 26 December 2006 19:02 (seventeen years ago) link

I CANNOT BELIEVE that Ophelia is that big. I just can't. I'm sure I would be equally stunned by Louis (hint, hint). I just want to smooch her! Ava and Lulu are just gorgeous, and I would really really love to have a good cuddle with Alice.

You know, ILxors make some pretty good looking kids!

luna (luna), Tuesday, 26 December 2006 19:08 (seventeen years ago) link

Oh and I hadn't even seen the new picture! Oh isn't she precious? Matt looks so, so proud.

luna (luna), Tuesday, 26 December 2006 19:10 (seventeen years ago) link

Archel, how I miss those 3 AM trying to calm her down nights. NOT. :-) Seriously it was actually awesome: Being awake when everyone else was asleep and, aside from the cries, it was so quiet. :-) I have to say, you and daddy look positively AMAZING. I remember looking like complete SHIT. :-)

The skirt is from Mexx. Personally I love it, but I prefer Gap. Sadly (or luckily financially speaking) we don't have it here. My parents do send me stuff from Japan. I have warned'em once that I'm in Japan - in february eep! - I'll be going there on a shopping spree. :-)

Yeah, O is big, I know! Noone fucking told me that she'd be no longer a baby by the end of the year. BOOOHOOO. :-( But it's so much fun having her crawl around so much. :-) We're now decided to NAME EVERYTHING. She's been pointing at things like mad so I figure I better teach her what the things are. :-)

nathalie (stevienixed), Wednesday, 27 December 2006 09:20 (seventeen years ago) link

Things kids say:

On the way to the football yesterday we passed a horrible building that I happen to work in:

Mark (7): It's kind of dull looking isn't it Dad?
Me: Yes.
Mark: What does dull mean?
Me: Well you just used it correctly so you should know.
Mark: Dark?
Me: Yes, like the opposite of bright and colourful.
Mark: Okay... what does "YOU ARE GAY!" mean?

Onimo drank ALL the wine! (nu_onimo), Wednesday, 27 December 2006 10:37 (seventeen years ago) link

Tell him it's a country in South America.

Michael Jones (MichaelJ), Wednesday, 27 December 2006 11:43 (seventeen years ago) link

Matt looks like Good King Wenceslaus.
Alice looks cuddled.

Nathalie, those pictures of Ophelia are great, but I keep going back and looking at your excellent shoes. Square toed loafers? Give me your shoes.

aimurchie (aimurchie), Wednesday, 27 December 2006 14:25 (seventeen years ago) link

Those are my husband's shoes. :-)

nathalie (stevienixed), Wednesday, 27 December 2006 14:26 (seventeen years ago) link

Give me your husband's shoes. And your baby. I'll give the baby back.

aimurchie (aimurchie), Wednesday, 27 December 2006 14:47 (seventeen years ago) link

if pics of my kid keep luna coming back to ilx, I'm happy to oblige! ;)

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/147/335610826_d9592eed1e.jpg

here he is at 12.5 mos next to his 28 mo cousin.

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/124/328345071_d9228b92a9.jpg
after shots.

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/142/326471527_f38f43ad2a.jpg
I think the cuteness of this pic may force my family to move closer.

teeny (teeny), Thursday, 28 December 2006 01:29 (seventeen years ago) link

If I stare into his eyes for several seconds I become mesmerized!

aimurchie (aimurchie), Thursday, 28 December 2006 03:48 (seventeen years ago) link

Aww, two shots in one day! That's so unfair, poor wee man.

He's so big! And gorgeous! I want to smooch his cheeks and grab his little chubby arms and legs. Oh teens, I am in love with your babydoll.

luna (luna), Thursday, 28 December 2006 03:52 (seventeen years ago) link

Aw he is sooo gorgeous teeny. Alice had so much blood pricked out of her heels in the days after she was born that getting her vaccinations probably won't faze her at all - unlike me, I'm going to hate it :(

She's been pretty grouchy the last couple of days, I think it's because we're still struggling to second guess her feeding patterns/needs. Can't just shove her onto a boob when she looks hungry, unfortunately. I am growing to hate her bottles and the eternal round of washing, sterilising, measuring, warming... not to mention the dreaded breast pump. But she's putting on weight like a trooper which is the main thing.

Archel (Archel), Thursday, 28 December 2006 12:43 (seventeen years ago) link

Ah Archel, that's a bummer. I remember worrying about her eating patterns as well. The moment I took her doctor's advice - just feed her when she wants even if it's every hour and a half (which was the case for some time) - everything seemed to go better. And the breast pump is a bitch (sorry). Hopefully it'll get easier after a while. Does she have reflux? Ophelia did for a while. Not a big problem but still present. I remember feeding her too much and she burped it all back up. :-(

nathalie (stevienixed), Thursday, 28 December 2006 13:08 (seventeen years ago) link

Yep, Alice is currently ejecting most of her last feed through both mouth and nose - with her cleft palate there's no real barrier between the two :(

But weirdly she seems to be able to stay fast asleep even while snuffling and spitting up, so she must be reasonably happy (if messy).

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/92/336141033_b160ec521e.jpg?v=0

Archel (Archel), Thursday, 28 December 2006 13:34 (seventeen years ago) link

I read that feeding your baby (with a cleft) upright makes it easier for them to swallow the milk. Probably stupid of me to say this, the nurses probably already advised you to do this....
I love the pic of her and the teddy. MUST POST THIS HERE! :-)

nathalie (stevienixed), Thursday, 28 December 2006 13:38 (seventeen years ago) link

cute babies everywhere!!

i am SO sick of being pregnant. over it over it over it!

here's something weird though: i've had morning sickness throughout this entire pregnancy but while I was in Australia I didnt get, or feel, sick at all. now, i've been back in the US for 24 hours and I've already puked 3 times. what the hell?? does baby want to be born downunder?


sunny successor (katarina), Friday, 29 December 2006 13:57 (seventeen years ago) link

Must be something about yr stomach contents swirling the opposite direction down there.

Joe Isuzu's Petals (Rock Hardy), Friday, 29 December 2006 14:37 (seventeen years ago) link

Just a couple of questions to the parents - how feasible is it to wait until you can 'afford' to have a child?

Just how financially secure should potential parents be?

This is Mr Pumpkins main reason for not having a baby, he says he doesn't want to just 'manage'. I think he's being unreasonable.

Rumps (Rumps), Friday, 29 December 2006 14:42 (seventeen years ago) link

If you wait until you can 'afford' a child you could never get to the point of actually arriving there... If he's going to insist on being financially secure, then you both need to sit down and talk about what 'financially secure' actually means to you both, come up with a sum of money you want saved or a budget that would work for you, and then decide whether you can afford the time to wait until you get there. You do need to think about whether you'd give up work or go back to work and need childcare, and what the financial implications of that would be...

Whatever you do, don't go thinking that you'll get pregnant straight away. Yes, it might happen, but I think the current stat. is that one in six couples experience problems trying to conceive that means it takes over a year. The longer you leave it, the more risks you take with dwindling fertility.

However, I'm not a parent (yet, hahaha....)

vicky (Vicky), Friday, 29 December 2006 14:50 (seventeen years ago) link

Is that "yet, hahaha..." you telling us something, Miss V?

We figure the amount we would save on not getting to go out ever again should be enough to keep a baby in baby things forever, but this doesn't mean I'm going to try this hypothesis out.

ailsa_xx (ailsa_xx), Friday, 29 December 2006 14:55 (seventeen years ago) link

Yeah, a lot of people go back to work only to find out that the chidcare costs negate the wages.

I would probably go back to work part time, but to a better paid job.

He's terrified of losing the flat, but at the moment we're left with a full wage to live on after all the bills are paid.

Rumps (Rumps), Friday, 29 December 2006 14:57 (seventeen years ago) link

If you think you could go to a better paid job once you've had several months off work, why not try to go to a better paid job now and start saving some of the extra money? Also, you will have to go back to your old job when you go back (at least for a while) or else you'll arse up your maternity pay entitlement.

ailsa_xx (ailsa_xx), Friday, 29 December 2006 15:00 (seventeen years ago) link

Yeah, a girl in here came back after mat leave despite claiming that her pregnancy and subsequent leave was the ideal opportunity to find something else. I think your employer is entitled to claim back the 'back to work bonus'.

Rumps (Rumps), Friday, 29 December 2006 15:08 (seventeen years ago) link

from what i know and hear you can never afford your kids.

thebingo (thebingo), Friday, 29 December 2006 15:09 (seventeen years ago) link

Yeah, you have to return to work, else your employers are giving you six months paid leave / job search time. Who the fuck would pay that to someone and not expect them to come back afterwards?

(though it is a good time to go looking elsewhere, and you hand your notice in as soon as possible after you return - well, that's what colleagues of mine have done in the past)

ailsa_xx (ailsa_xx), Friday, 29 December 2006 15:12 (seventeen years ago) link

My poor friend has been sucked straight back ino this place and once again she's apathetic like the rest of us.

Ah for the olden days. Bet our grandparents didn't worry about finances and careers before hopping into bed.

Rumps (Rumps), Friday, 29 December 2006 15:14 (seventeen years ago) link

Well, if you can manage not to give into the temptation to clothe your kid in designer stuff and don't shower it with ridiculous toys and don't fill your house with pointless gadgets and use real nappies rather than disposables etc etc, then it can't be THAT expensive, surely? I'm pretty sure I grew up without about 90% of the shit that parents give their kids these days, and I turned out OK.

ailsa_xx (ailsa_xx), Friday, 29 December 2006 15:18 (seventeen years ago) link


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