― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Thursday, 15 February 2007 17:25 (seventeen years ago) link
^^ whats your take on workers comp for employees who get cancer which couldve been easily prevented with a regulation of cancer-causing substances in their place of employment?
― and what (ooo), Thursday, 15 February 2007 17:25 (seventeen years ago) link
― jw (ex machina), Thursday, 15 February 2007 17:29 (seventeen years ago) link
― Euai Kapaui (tracerhand), Thursday, 15 February 2007 17:30 (seventeen years ago) link
― and what (ooo), Thursday, 15 February 2007 17:35 (seventeen years ago) link
Futhermore: auto shop. Tell me how to get the work needed to get done there done in the winter without getting even more carcinogen exposure.Workplace hazard. Goes with the territory.
I've already said this isn't a slippery slope argument.
The boxing RING analogy is an exageration to make a point.
In Japan there are no smoking bans, to my knowledge, other than on the trains. The shinkansen has a few smoking cars, though.Thing is, more and more places have either no smoking at all, or a seperate room.Still more smoking there than here, but it's not in style any more, and is just fading out.
Ya couldn't wait?
― Water G Wiz Changes his username regularly already (The GZeus), Thursday, 15 February 2007 17:36 (seventeen years ago) link
― urghonomic (gcannon), Thursday, 15 February 2007 17:37 (seventeen years ago) link
wow
― and what (ooo), Thursday, 15 February 2007 17:38 (seventeen years ago) link
Not if you work there! Unless you're ready to get fired. And then go work at one of those non-smoking bars that you have already said don't exist.
― Euai Kapaui (tracerhand), Thursday, 15 February 2007 17:39 (seventeen years ago) link
― and what (ooo), Thursday, 15 February 2007 17:41 (seventeen years ago) link
― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Thursday, 15 February 2007 17:43 (seventeen years ago) link
― Euai Kapaui (tracerhand), Thursday, 15 February 2007 17:43 (seventeen years ago) link
― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Thursday, 15 February 2007 17:45 (seventeen years ago) link
-- and what (an...), Today. (later)
lol
― a mediocre black-and-white cookie in a cellophane wrapper (hanks1ockli), Thursday, 15 February 2007 17:46 (seventeen years ago) link
The anger gets redirected towards the people making a living wage, not at the companies lowballing the pay rates(and supporting politicos and pundits who go on about how the min.wage will destroy business, bring on communism, violate your daughters, etc)
xp
― kingfish in absentia (kingfish), Thursday, 15 February 2007 17:48 (seventeen years ago) link
Know why non-smoking bars didn't exist? people didn't want them.However, non-smoking restaraunts that sevre liqour did.
Oh, and yes, I do just want the last word at this point. I can agree to disagree, but not to people calling me stupid because they disagree.63k is actually a barely managable wage for people who actually want to retire, and I think the fact that people somehow still think 30k a year will cut is really sad.No one saves money ay more, we're all in debt up to our eyeballs, and we still can't see something that simple...
I know some people who are bartenders and like it.They knew the industry they were getting into, and half of them already smoked. The other half were annoyed at the drop in cigarettes sales and number of customers.
― Water G Wiz Changes his username regularly already (The GZeus), Thursday, 15 February 2007 17:51 (seventeen years ago) link
― Euai Kapaui (tracerhand), Thursday, 15 February 2007 17:53 (seventeen years ago) link
― TOMB07 (trm), Thursday, 15 February 2007 17:54 (seventeen years ago) link
I call bullshit.
― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Thursday, 15 February 2007 17:55 (seventeen years ago) link
― kingfish in absentia (kingfish), Thursday, 15 February 2007 17:55 (seventeen years ago) link
I would totally be in favor of places being able to apply for hugely expensive smoking licenses, in the same way dance clubs or carnivals have to get extra permits. And the establishment would be obligated to pay for really good health-care (the same way other high-risk workplaces do). You could have these, like, smoking EMPORIA.
― Euai Kapaui (tracerhand), Thursday, 15 February 2007 17:58 (seventeen years ago) link
I would have been fine with tax breaks for non-smoking bars.
― Water G Wiz Changes his username regularly already (The GZeus), Thursday, 15 February 2007 17:59 (seventeen years ago) link
-- Euai Kapaui (tracerhan...)
this is otm
― and what (ooo), Thursday, 15 February 2007 18:01 (seventeen years ago) link
― METAL ROBOTIC HEAD FACE (scarymonster), Thursday, 15 February 2007 18:06 (seventeen years ago) link
― deej (deej), Thursday, 15 February 2007 18:08 (seventeen years ago) link
― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Thursday, 15 February 2007 18:09 (seventeen years ago) link
Could we get back to talking about this toilet of a TV show? I think both sides have said their peice.
― Water G Wiz Changes his username regularly already (The GZeus), Thursday, 15 February 2007 18:11 (seventeen years ago) link
― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Thursday, 15 February 2007 18:12 (seventeen years ago) link
― Water G Wiz Changes his username regularly already (The GZeus), Thursday, 15 February 2007 18:14 (seventeen years ago) link
I would be surprised if that's the case. If so, it shows how pathetic the demand from bartenders themselves is to keep smoking going in most places. (I would be very interested in the mechanics of the "vote" at a bar run by Philip Morris).
I suspect that instead it's like NYC, where as long as at least 10% of the establishment's receipts are from tobacco you can smoke to your heart's content. i.e. you are a CUSTOMER for the product, rather than bringing it in with you.
I wonder how GZeus feels about the longstanding smoking ban in cinemas. Those places used to be a smoker's paradise.
― Euai Kapaui (tracerhand), Thursday, 15 February 2007 18:14 (seventeen years ago) link
― Goodtime Slim, Uncle Doobie, and the Great Frisco Freakout (bernard snowy), Thursday, 15 February 2007 18:15 (seventeen years ago) link
― jw (ex machina), Thursday, 15 February 2007 18:15 (seventeen years ago) link
― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Thursday, 15 February 2007 18:17 (seventeen years ago) link
― deej (deej), Thursday, 15 February 2007 18:18 (seventeen years ago) link
more here. Includes a 2nd YT vid, "where the show's producers discuss who might be offended at it."
― they be stealin' kingfish's bucket (kingfish), Thursday, 15 February 2007 18:19 (seventeen years ago) link
It is the case. Or at least according to the owner of Amber (in SF), it's the case. There is one other place that is run the same way, I think (the Phonebooth maybe?)
― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Thursday, 15 February 2007 18:19 (seventeen years ago) link
― they be stealin' kingfish's bucket (kingfish), Thursday, 15 February 2007 18:24 (seventeen years ago) link
― Donkey Kong New York (Lee), Thursday, 15 February 2007 18:33 (seventeen years ago) link
― jw (ex machina), Thursday, 15 February 2007 18:49 (seventeen years ago) link
― deej (deej), Thursday, 15 February 2007 18:59 (seventeen years ago) link
― The Many Faces of Gordon Jump (Leon), Thursday, 15 February 2007 19:00 (seventeen years ago) link
― deej (deej), Thursday, 15 February 2007 19:01 (seventeen years ago) link
― Dethrone the dictaphone, hit it in it's funny bone (kenan), Thursday, 15 February 2007 19:31 (seventeen years ago) link
― Rick Gibralter (grady), Thursday, 15 February 2007 19:54 (seventeen years ago) link
― After two days in hospital I took a turn for the nurse. (Fluffy Bear Hearts Rain, Thursday, 15 February 2007 21:02 (seventeen years ago) link
― jw (ex machina), Thursday, 15 February 2007 22:14 (seventeen years ago) link
― deej (deej), Thursday, 15 February 2007 22:25 (seventeen years ago) link
― ^@^ (map), Thursday, 15 February 2007 23:03 (seventeen years ago) link
― jw (ex machina), Thursday, 15 February 2007 23:23 (seventeen years ago) link
― Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 15 February 2007 23:25 (seventeen years ago) link