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got this at the library yesterday:

http://ec2.images-amazon.com/images/P/0670872563.01._AA240_SCLZZZZZZZ_V51818369_.jpg

volume 1 was "da bomb"

and you?

m coleman (lovebug ), Saturday, 16 December 2006 14:50 (seventeen years ago) link

i've been looking over the stuff i got at the dump. "reading in them", so to speak. everything free at the dump store, of course. i got:

Life On Man - Theodor Rosebury (all about dirt & germs!)

New World Writing - 7th Mentor Selection (Great paperback series from the 50's. This one is from 1955 and features an excerpt from the unpublished On The Road called "Jazz Of The Beat Generation" by one "Jean-Louis". Only the second published excerpt prior to publication. AND it features the first excerpt from Catch-22, when it was still called Catch 18.)

The Passion Artist - John Hawkes (i tried to read hawkes when i was a kid and i think i was too young. maybe i'm ready now.)

Three Trapped Tigers - G. Cabrera Infante

One Hundred Dollar Misunderstanding - Robert Gover (great hardcover copy with dust jacket. grove press hipster lit.)

A Child's Book Of True Crime - Chloe Hooper

Mawrdew Czgowchwz - James McCourt (on the back susan sontag compares the book to firbank and nabokov, so i picked it up.)

Play Things - Peter Prince (very cool looking book. signed first edition too!)

Granta 50 & Granta 53 (Both from the 90's. Right around when Buford stepped down as editor.)

Monk Dawson - Piers Paul Read

Pel & The Bombers - Mark Hebden

Exile's Return - Malcom Cowley (which i've never read! go figure.)

Love Invents Us - Amy Bloom (which i think i've already read.)

Reeling - Pauline Kael (hardcover copy. i only have the paperback. i still need to convert a few other kaels into hardcovers.)

scott seward (121212), Saturday, 16 December 2006 15:27 (seventeen years ago) link

I'm almost finished with "The Power Broker ; Robert Moses and The Fall of New York." I want to start a thread on Robert Moses.

jacob sanders (Jacobs), Sunday, 17 December 2006 21:52 (seventeen years ago) link

the power broker is so good!!! MCNY has an upcoming moses exhibit.

bell labs (bell_labs), Sunday, 17 December 2006 22:00 (seventeen years ago) link

http://www.mcny.org/exhibitions/future/466.html

i'm really excited for this.

bell labs (bell_labs), Sunday, 17 December 2006 22:03 (seventeen years ago) link

I've been surprized at how engaging the book is. I came to reading it through researching early hip hop. I was trying to understand how the bronx became the way it was in the early seventies.

jacob sanders (Jacobs), Sunday, 17 December 2006 22:11 (seventeen years ago) link

I wish I could go to that exhibit!

jacob sanders (Jacobs), Sunday, 17 December 2006 22:12 (seventeen years ago) link

talented mr ripley

wind-up bird chronicle

elmo albatross (allocryptic), Sunday, 17 December 2006 22:44 (seventeen years ago) link

Ball Four
Conservatives Without Conscience
Bone

I Am Curious (George) (Slight Return) (Rock Hardy), Sunday, 17 December 2006 23:06 (seventeen years ago) link

wow, Robert Moses thing looks awesome.

ian (orion), Monday, 18 December 2006 05:13 (seventeen years ago) link

just started
http://www.nybooks.com/shop/product-file/98/thea398/product.jpg

first impression: holy shit awesome why hadn't I heard of this before?

milo (milo), Monday, 18 December 2006 05:35 (seventeen years ago) link

Currently reading 'Hit Men' by Fredric Dannen. A bit heavy, but interesting.

sgh (sgh), Monday, 18 December 2006 05:43 (seventeen years ago) link

I am reading Inez by Carlos Fuentes and finished My Name is Red by Orhan Pamuk a few days ago. The Pamuk was very well done. Very suspenseful and thought provoking, and I know that each time I re-read it I'll get so much more out of it.

ian (orion), Monday, 18 December 2006 05:45 (seventeen years ago) link

Weird. I'm two weeks of slow reading into the Power Broker right now.

Dan I. (w1nt3rmut3), Monday, 18 December 2006 10:21 (seventeen years ago) link

also: Mankind Evolving by Dobzhansky

Dan I. (w1nt3rmut3), Monday, 18 December 2006 10:23 (seventeen years ago) link

another thanx for the tip on the Robt Moses exhibit! I read The Power Broker yrs ago but I've been thinking of "RM" because I'll be driving on the Merritt Parkway this weekend: tree-lined highway with no trucks (or urban-bound public trans). If he would've been able to build that highway thru lower Manhattan the Village might've ended up like the south Bronx. IMHO: best book on NYC.

I'm a huge fan of Robt Caro, can't recommend his LBJ books enough. Once you settle in for the long haul, he's compulsively readable.

mark coleman (lovebug ), Monday, 18 December 2006 11:21 (seventeen years ago) link

in the miso soup by ryu murakami

nathalie (stevienixed), Monday, 18 December 2006 15:19 (seventeen years ago) link

Got the following for $1 ea, have just started on the first:

Chariots of the Gods
Gold of the Gods
Gods From Outer Space: Return To The Stars, or Evidence Of The Impossible

All by former NASA scientist turned WTF-ist Erich Von Daniken. Very WTF reading so far.

has been plagued with problems since its erection in 1978 (nklshs), Monday, 18 December 2006 15:34 (seventeen years ago) link

in the miso soup by ryu murakami

i got a review copy of this, but couldnt quite decide how i felt about it. still on the fence..it was a mostly interesting, fun story..but...i couldnt quite endorse it. (i should be more articulate, but im going without caffiene today.) all and all, i just felt that i could really see the point....i should go lookat my notes anfd flip through again...

360something into agains the days...otherwise its all just magazine and maeve brennan

bb (bbia), Monday, 18 December 2006 15:38 (seventeen years ago) link

noize board field trip to the robert moses exhibition?

from library:
Intimate Nights: The Golden Age of New York Cabaret (but not the recent updated version)
Playback, by some nerd ;)

tokyo rosemary (rosemary), Monday, 18 December 2006 15:43 (seventeen years ago) link

finished The Painted Veil
2 giant books on Roberto Rossellini (will skip the stuff on films I haven't seen)
In the Shadow of the Senators (Homestead Grays baseball)

Dr M (Dr Morbius), Monday, 18 December 2006 15:50 (seventeen years ago) link

(nklsh, I read Chariots of the Gods when i was about 11, which is the right age)

Dr M (Dr Morbius), Monday, 18 December 2006 15:52 (seventeen years ago) link

in the miso soup by ryu murakami
i got a review copy of this, but couldnt quite decide how i felt about it.

I like it but there's sth about it that I... I don't know, I can't put my finger on it. :-(

nathalie (stevienixed), Monday, 18 December 2006 16:08 (seventeen years ago) link

i would go on a noize field trip to the moses exhibit!

bell labs (bell_labs), Monday, 18 December 2006 16:12 (seventeen years ago) link

haha yeah Morbs, the style & content are very...adolescent. Still probably the best book purchase @ Goodwill in 06 for me.

has been plagued with problems since its erection in 1978 (nklshs), Monday, 18 December 2006 16:20 (seventeen years ago) link

how long does the exhibit run? can we do a field trip in early jan? does that WORK for people?

my roomie last night gave me a great "weird fiction" anthology for my birfday.

ian (orion), Monday, 18 December 2006 18:01 (seventeen years ago) link

January might not work:

Feb 1 through May 28
Robert Moses and the Modern City:  Remaking the Metropolis

tokyo rosemary (rosemary), Monday, 18 December 2006 18:05 (seventeen years ago) link

why am i so stupid :(

ian (orion), Monday, 18 December 2006 18:08 (seventeen years ago) link

That's okay, Ian, I took my parents to the Costume Institute at the Met in November, for a show that didn't open until December. I R THICK 2.

Laurel (Laurel), Monday, 18 December 2006 18:11 (seventeen years ago) link

i have been nerdishly anticipating this exhibit for about a year now...my roomate works at MCNY and has been giving me regular updates!

bell labs (bell_labs), Monday, 18 December 2006 18:24 (seventeen years ago) link

i have been reading books on Alvar Aalto's furniture design. And Mei-Mei Berssenbrugge's poetry. and i also pulled out this weird book about volcanic eruptions that i bought for a class once but never used, and is totally fucking sweet.

the table is the table (trees), Monday, 18 December 2006 18:52 (seventeen years ago) link

The Agony of Modern Music by Henry Pleasants, 1955

milton parker (milton parker), Monday, 18 December 2006 19:14 (seventeen years ago) link

http://www.taschen-america.com/media/images/190/va_butt_book.jpg

added bonus: n00dz of dr. drew daniel

elmo albatross (allocryptic), Saturday, 23 December 2006 07:43 (seventeen years ago) link

against the day, titus groan, wikipedia on hungarian vizlas.

remy bean (bean), Saturday, 23 December 2006 21:28 (seventeen years ago) link

added bonus: n00dz of dr. drew daniel

ysi

jw (ex machina), Saturday, 23 December 2006 22:15 (seventeen years ago) link

a peace to end all peace.
national waste by leif goldberg.

ian (orion), Sunday, 24 December 2006 04:02 (seventeen years ago) link

booklist for next semester was posted, so i just ordered this and this. phear the policywonkage:

http://ec2.images-amazon.com/images/P/0791433307.01._SS500_SCLZZZZZZZ_V1056490132_.jpg

http://styluspub.com/images/covers/185383601X_cf200.jpg

we twa hae run aboot the braes (get bent), Tuesday, 26 December 2006 02:15 (seventeen years ago) link

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:MervynPeake_TitusGroan.jpg

remy bean (bean), Tuesday, 26 December 2006 02:44 (seventeen years ago) link

Milo, simply because I liked the cover and description on amazon, i got 'The Adventures of Maqroll' out of the library AND COULD NOT PUT IT DOWN. which explains my absence from ilx for the pat few days.

the table is the table (trees), Tuesday, 26 December 2006 15:31 (seventeen years ago) link

i bought myself "a walk on the wild side" by nelson algren for xmas. so far so good.

otto midnight, that 'tofu makes you gay' ding dong (otto midnight), Tuesday, 26 December 2006 17:33 (seventeen years ago) link

Just got Norton Anthology of Children's Literature.

So far, it looks great.

John Justen is interested in eating your pet. (John Justen), Tuesday, 26 December 2006 18:16 (seventeen years ago) link

The Agony of Modern Music by Henry Pleasants, 1955

-- milton parker (milton.parke...), December 18th, 2006.

Pleasant?

xyzzzz__ (xyzzzz__), Wednesday, 27 December 2006 11:40 (seventeen years ago) link

after suffering through the too oblique prologue, i am now rather into g marcus' the shape of things to come: prophecy and the american voice...

got a copy of the neil young bio from the 'rents...another great temptation away from against the day

bb (bbia), Wednesday, 27 December 2006 15:20 (seventeen years ago) link

Shakey is pretty great. especially the interview chapters with Neil's verbatim oblique answers mixed with evasions and personal attacks.

dmr (dmr), Wednesday, 27 December 2006 15:26 (seventeen years ago) link

subconscsiously stole the word oblique from previous answer!! I hate when I do that.

dmr (dmr), Wednesday, 27 December 2006 15:31 (seventeen years ago) link

'bass culture', the reggae history. (author escapes me)

haitch (not haitch) (haitch), Wednesday, 27 December 2006 15:33 (seventeen years ago) link

I've been looting a freebie pile of crime paperbacks that people set out at work

currently James Ellroy's "Black Dahlia"

dmr (dmr), Thursday, 28 December 2006 18:47 (seventeen years ago) link

there's a weird bit near the end of that welles bio laying out circumstansial evidence & coincidences that suggest orson couldve killed the black dahlia. author exonerates him a few pages later.

m coleman (lovebug ), Thursday, 28 December 2006 19:40 (seventeen years ago) link

got a copy of the neil young bio from the 'rents...another great temptation away from against the day

don't, it's great. better than m&d; i read 400 pages yesterday in one sitting.

remy bean (bean), Thursday, 28 December 2006 19:43 (seventeen years ago) link

also literal 'screw the pooch'

remy bean (bean), Thursday, 28 December 2006 19:45 (seventeen years ago) link

dont worry im still entirely into it...but i read real slow...400 pages would take atleast 6 sittings.

bb (bbia), Thursday, 28 December 2006 19:45 (seventeen years ago) link

slaughterhouse five
the idiot
sex drugs & cocoa puffs

v (sleep), Thursday, 28 December 2006 20:06 (seventeen years ago) link

http://www.fantasticfiction.co.uk/images/x2/x13233.jpg

and what (ooo), Thursday, 28 December 2006 20:46 (seventeen years ago) link

lord knows why, but the tittle of the idiot just struck me as The funniest thing ever...

time to go home...

bb (bbia), Thursday, 28 December 2006 21:23 (seventeen years ago) link

The Echoing Green by Joshua Prager

hmmm, need to get after Butt Book

Dr M (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 28 December 2006 21:31 (seventeen years ago) link

about to finish 'Into the Silent Land' which is mostly quasi-fictional neuropsychological case studies and the author's various opinions on them, and neuropsychology in general. I have no idea what I'm going to read next.

Dominique (dleone), Thursday, 28 December 2006 21:32 (seventeen years ago) link

four years pass...

i'm reading "getting things done" because i wish it were still 2004. also i don't seem to be "getting things done."

i just picked up "blue nights" from the library, i am both eager to read it and not eager to read it.

reddening, Wednesday, 30 November 2011 02:37 (twelve years ago) link

will be starting my first henning mankell book tomorrow

calstars, Wednesday, 30 November 2011 04:22 (twelve years ago) link

Harlan Ellison - Alone Against Tomorrow

Kinda 60s/70s sci-fi mood right now. And for the past ten years.

Rocking Metal Motherfucker (god punch to hawkwind), Wednesday, 30 November 2011 09:45 (twelve years ago) link

History of Histories - John Burrow. Good, by and large. Tends to be descriptive and looks at each writer's special strengths, with some analytical power-punches saved for the end of each chapter.

Curiously flip chapter on Josephus. Fun, but just out of tone to the rest of the book, especially right at the last minute he slips in a 'Destruction of Temple' = 20th Century massacres comparison.

Reminds me slightly of a history teacher I had who would casually go through the cynical transactions of the slave trade with sardonic asides and if someone laughed, he'd turn round and say IT'S NOT FUNNY BOY THEY HAD CORKS SHOVED UP THEIR BOTTOMS TO STOP THE DIARRHOEA COMING OUT.

Which of course, despite its description of grotesque humanity, did not help.

Fizzles, Wednesday, 30 November 2011 11:36 (twelve years ago) link

Wangled a review copy of the new Steve Erickson. Sadly, looks like Zeroville was false dawn because this new one is really, *really* bad. Not even guest appearances from I Pop and D Bowie save it.

Stevie T, Wednesday, 30 November 2011 11:41 (twelve years ago) link

catch 22. it's rubbish. h8 u book club.

caek, Wednesday, 30 November 2011 13:52 (twelve years ago) link

come & talk blue nights w/me when you're done, reddening, i read & loved & wanna discuss. read a megham daum review i sorta hated at LARB & feel like there's a lot of criticism of the book i disagree with, so would be nice to kick around. is it general reception that has you nervous to read? really was moved by it & thought it exemplary. it's like didion coined/has her own damn tense.

i finished the above and went back to inferno by eileen myles, which i'm also enjoying. she writes so nicely & it's such a breezy comfortable story to be reading, trash talk about poets, vicarious participation in being young & a poet in old new york, young when your time was 'uncommodified'. i really really wanna read i love dick, by chris kraus, next, but don't have a copy & can't really justify buying one right now bc i just bought a bunch of other books. so it might be the angel esmerelda. about which i'm also excited.

Never translate German (schlump), Wednesday, 30 November 2011 14:35 (twelve years ago) link

Swamplandia by Karen Russell. Kind of Katherine Dunn crossed with García Marquez in tone if not quality

remy bean in exile, Wednesday, 30 November 2011 14:48 (twelve years ago) link

Starting War & War by Krazsnahorkai, really good, again, but feel like I'm running out of Central/Eastern european steam. Might put this off.

The Alternative Trinity: Gnostic Heresy in Marlowe, Milton and Blake by Tony Nuttall. Enjoying this a lot. Like gnosticism often makes me sigh a bit nowadays, crops up all over, 'back here again', but I am finding Nuttall picking his odd tenative-speculative, close reading path through all that + some favourite authors to be real pleasure. Oh, criticism-wise, I've got J H Prynne's book on George Herbert's Love III sitting around too. A few pages in I was liking where it waas going but felt it might be exhausting.)

And been reading Peter Reading since his death a couple of weeks ago, which shook me a bit. Hadn't read much after the mid-90s before now.

woof, Wednesday, 30 November 2011 14:54 (twelve years ago) link

Just finished Open Secrets by Alice Munro, and it was fantastic. My first Munro.

Now reading a book about the history of fonts, Just My Type.

rayuela, Wednesday, 30 November 2011 16:19 (twelve years ago) link

Moby Dick, awesome when I need to get some slep
The Question Concerning Technology by Martin Heidegger, confusing but very cool
Art Since 1900 by Foster - Krauss - Bois - Buchloh, best book ever

wolves lacan sandbox ed, Wednesday, 30 November 2011 16:49 (twelve years ago) link

Just starting Murakami's IQ84 and almost finished with Retromania, which is leaving me depressed for some reason.

JacobSanders, Wednesday, 30 November 2011 18:12 (twelve years ago) link

Crisis Economics - Roubini
Makers - Cory Doctorow
Daemon - Daniel Suarez
Commonwealth - Hardt & Negri

HOOS aka driver of steen, Wednesday, 30 November 2011 18:14 (twelve years ago) link

Jacobsanders, how are you finding iq84? It arrived at the library, but I only have two weeks to read it before I have to return it to the queue of long request. I'm thinking of just returning it early.

rayuela, Wednesday, 30 November 2011 18:16 (twelve years ago) link

I'm only 50 pages in and so far it's great. The style is his usual voice, very neat and off-handly funny. If you like his humor from the Wind-Up Bird, you'll like this it. But I love almost everything I have read by Murakami and I've been waiting for this to come out for a year now.

JacobSanders, Wednesday, 30 November 2011 18:22 (twelve years ago) link

Codex Seraphinianus.pdf

mainz, Wednesday, 30 November 2011 18:51 (twelve years ago) link

ma gawd just finished 1Q84.
not his best, exacerbated by pretty bad translation, conflated further by the worst proofing / editing ever. shocker.
constant restating /recaps like a serialised count of monte cristo for amnesiacs.
tits, tits, and tits. women don't think about their breasts as often as dirty old huki does.
clumsy superfluous similes everywhere, like lost souls in tents protesting against capitalism.
people wear clothes.
it's always :
"he had on a woolly hat and gloves", NEVER an alternate like
"he had a woolly hat & gloves on", "he was wearing a woolly hat and gloves", "he was dressed in a woolly hat and gloves".
and the use of colloquial americanisms in a book translated from japanese was freakishly stupid "a couple dozen meters away" / "turnout". while transparent in meaning, these are too specific to american usage. more universal phrases are available, like a male spider is always available to his mate, until she eats him.
*SPOILER ALERT*
tengo ghost wrote a book.
things remain unknown to them.
ffs.

farah ferrigno, Wednesday, 30 November 2011 21:33 (twelve years ago) link

Art Since 1900 by Foster - Krauss - Bois - Buchloh, best book ever

― wolves lacan sandbox ed,

<3, i think i repped for this pretty hard on big ilx in a bunch of art history threads!

sarahel, Wednesday, 30 November 2011 23:12 (twelve years ago) link

I got so excited reading that I skipped from like 1920 to the nineties and now I should probably start doing it back and forth. I really can't remember where I first heard of this October gang, a thousand kudos if you were the instigator, the book makes me v happy.

wolves lacan sandbox ed, Thursday, 1 December 2011 02:01 (twelve years ago) link

I've got about 20 pages to go with the James Wolcott book. I really haven't cared for it much--he's got a great moment to write about, but the writing is very fanciful in a way that for me just distracts from the story.

clemenza, Thursday, 1 December 2011 02:37 (twelve years ago) link

Codex Seraphinianus.pdf

this is probably the single craziest book i've ever encountered. we have the 1983 american edition, probably one of our most prized possessions. also managed to snag a copy of the Pulcinellopedia, and recently the Storie Naturali.

smoove operator, Thursday, 1 December 2011 04:19 (twelve years ago) link

i sort of liked 1q84 in particular the slow and patient way everything happened and the descriptions of the 'simple' meals the characters would make for themselves, which never really sounded all that simple

є(٥_ ٥)э, Thursday, 1 December 2011 05:36 (twelve years ago) link

I am just finishing Dubliners, along with Warren Beck's Substance, Vision, Art which is an extensive unpacking of the former. Next up: Bazin at Work which is a collection of some of the major essays and reviews of Andre Bazin.

ruth m4rcus is a mor4n (henrietta lacks), Thursday, 1 December 2011 06:01 (twelve years ago) link

ben marcus' "the moors" was kinda short n sweet. comes over like will self now he's ditched the language games / symbology of "notable american women" & "age of wire & string"

farah ferrigno, Thursday, 1 December 2011 09:14 (twelve years ago) link

im reading the executioner's song by norman mailer and it's good but i have like 800 more pages to go and it has to go back to the library in 2 weeks

spite n ease (harbl), Thursday, 1 December 2011 12:51 (twelve years ago) link

sort of reading Chabon's 'wonder boys' but i can't really get interested in the characters or the plot, so i keep putting it down and wandering off.

c sharp major, Thursday, 1 December 2011 16:44 (twelve years ago) link

i sort of liked 1q84 in particular the slow and patient way everything happened and the descriptions of the 'simple' meals the characters would make for themselves, which never really sounded all that simple

my fav thing about murakami is the way he describes making food. always makes me hungry.

rayuela, Thursday, 1 December 2011 17:08 (twelve years ago) link

I'm reading the new Gaddis biography of George Kennan.

I'm giving Updike another try: Couples.

Lord Sotosyn, Thursday, 1 December 2011 17:22 (twelve years ago) link

I heard Couples was nuts.

Wonder Boys got on my nerves something fierce; it's the only Chabon I've ever read, but it drove me nuts how he seemed to confuse idiosyncratic specificities with vivid characters and fleshed-out scenes. If you get what I mean...?

iagree (henrietta lacks), Thursday, 1 December 2011 17:49 (twelve years ago) link

Chabon is a classic example of his-first-novel-was-the-best disease.

Lord Sotosyn, Thursday, 1 December 2011 17:51 (twelve years ago) link

what are you saying Alfred? I own a copy of Kavalier & Clay and plan on getting around to it eventually. Are you saying it's not worth my time?

iagree (henrietta lacks), Thursday, 1 December 2011 18:03 (twelve years ago) link

K&C has lots of marvelous bits but it's not a great novel.

Lord Sotosyn, Thursday, 1 December 2011 18:04 (twelve years ago) link

he has a weird aphasia whenever something "happens", like an action scene or a gun being fired or a major event, at which his writing suddenly, temporarily crumbles, & it's hard to get a sense of what's even meant to be unfolding.

i think those novels - the yiddish policeman thing, wonder boys & k&c - are fun & readable tho

Never translate German (schlump), Thursday, 1 December 2011 18:06 (twelve years ago) link

He's also got that MFA habit of flaunting his erudition. K&C boasts an uninteresting sideplot about Allied troops in the North Pole that betrays more than a few hours spent at the library.

Lord Sotosyn, Thursday, 1 December 2011 18:09 (twelve years ago) link

that's not an MFA thing

flexidisc, Thursday, 1 December 2011 18:13 (twelve years ago) link

see Melville's whale stuff in Moby-Dick. he didn't have an MFA.

flexidisc, Thursday, 1 December 2011 18:15 (twelve years ago) link

also it was the South Pole

flexidisc, Thursday, 1 December 2011 18:15 (twelve years ago) link

structurally Moby-Dick could support its "digressions" (I would argue they aren't).

Lord Sotosyn, Thursday, 1 December 2011 18:19 (twelve years ago) link

Pynchon

flexidisc, Thursday, 1 December 2011 18:21 (twelve years ago) link

the glove stuff in American Pastoral

flexidisc, Thursday, 1 December 2011 18:22 (twelve years ago) link

they are digressions--to think they are not is to miss the point of what Melville does in the book

flexidisc, Thursday, 1 December 2011 18:23 (twelve years ago) link

Melville's whale stuff ruled. Anyways, that's apples and oranges: some of that stuff in Moby Dick is intentionally wrong, and is supposed to characterize Ishmael the narrator as a well-read layman for whom Ahab's mania is gathering universal implications. Whereas I doubt Chabon would ever risk looking stupid like that.

iagree (henrietta lacks), Thursday, 1 December 2011 18:24 (twelve years ago) link

Anyway my point is. . .writers with and without MFA's flaunt their smarts all the time, it's a "thing" that writers do.

flexidisc, Thursday, 1 December 2011 18:26 (twelve years ago) link

I am reading Malone Dies

flexidisc, Thursday, 1 December 2011 18:27 (twelve years ago) link

some of that stuff in Moby Dick is intentionally wrong, and is supposed to characterize Ishmael the narrator as a well-read layman for whom Ahab's mania is gathering universal implications.

otm

flexidisc, if I step away from what Melville achieves rhetorically in the novel with those "digressions," they still work as explanations of shipping and whaling culture.

Lord Sotosyn, Thursday, 1 December 2011 18:27 (twelve years ago) link

yah but my point which you are not seeing is, he (Melville, not Ahab) is flaunting his erudition with them.

flexidisc, Thursday, 1 December 2011 18:28 (twelve years ago) link

oops i mean Melville not Ishmael

flexidisc, Thursday, 1 December 2011 18:29 (twelve years ago) link

and you have provided 0% evidence that MFAers do this sort of thing

flexidisc, Thursday, 1 December 2011 18:29 (twelve years ago) link

i'm reading the second coming of steve jobs

your voice of treason, Thursday, 1 December 2011 18:31 (twelve years ago) link

Just finished

Joan Didion, Where I Was From
Charles Willeford, Miami Blues
L.P. Davies, Twilight Journey

I had a big Murakami binge recently, so I need a break before starting 1Q84, but I am looking forward to it -- glad to hear there are plenty of cooking and eating scenes.

Brad C., Thursday, 1 December 2011 18:32 (twelve years ago) link

and you have provided 0% evidence that MFAers do this sort of thing

and you have provided 0% evidence for taking a remark on a message board so seriously

Lord Sotosyn, Thursday, 1 December 2011 18:32 (twelve years ago) link

1Q84 was the first Murakami book I was able to get halfway through. Finished it within a week or two and really enjoyed it.

calstars, Thursday, 1 December 2011 19:25 (twelve years ago) link

still working on 1Q84, i the part where fuka-eri says:

"the poor gilyaks!"

...paragraph...

"the wonderful gilyaks!"

was very cute

diamonddaze85 (ok), Thursday, 1 December 2011 19:37 (twelve years ago) link

i thought the part**

diamonddaze85 (ok), Thursday, 1 December 2011 19:37 (twelve years ago) link

also possibly the first time fuka-eri exclaimed anything?

diamonddaze85 (ok), Thursday, 1 December 2011 19:38 (twelve years ago) link

* 1Q84 spoiler alert *
in book 3 tengo misses the way her voice goes up at the end of a sentence when she asks a question, which kinda pisses on how we think she asks a question prior to that hitting that line

farah ferrigno, Thursday, 1 December 2011 21:30 (twelve years ago) link

Just finished

Joan Didion, Where I Was From

how was this? i always put it back on the shelf sorta (i know, terrible) thinking OLD TIMES, BORRRRRING, but my friend was enthusing about it recently. it's essays, right? family essays. i finally got around to ordering political fictions, so that's next, but could use further endorsement of WIWF

Never translate German (schlump), Thursday, 1 December 2011 21:39 (twelve years ago) link

there are lots of sloppy things abt the way tengo 'reports' her reactions, like what it means to not answer a qn.

1Q84 was the first Murakami book I was able to get halfway through. Finished it within a week or two and really enjoyed it.

yeah im not really a big fan of his but i found this one super readable too, even if it was p repetitive and conceptually sloppy i just wanted to spend time w/ the characters, gather more hints. i sorta wish he hadnt squished any kind of suspense or mystery or drama w/ all the explanation and heavy foreshadowing tho

є(٥_ ٥)э, Thursday, 1 December 2011 21:41 (twelve years ago) link

xp

I liked WIWF. It's sort of disguised as a family memoir, and there is plenty about old times in it, but it's mainly about California, and the Californian state of mind, crashing and burning.

Brad C., Thursday, 1 December 2011 21:45 (twelve years ago) link

her piece on californian water pressure in the white album is one of my favs, & probably bodes well in terms of suggesting i'll be interested even if the premise doesn't sound gripping. TY

Never translate German (schlump), Thursday, 1 December 2011 22:01 (twelve years ago) link

fwiw: http://www.nytimes.com/2011/12/11/books/10-best-books-of-2011.html?_r=1&hpw

є(٥_ ٥)э, Thursday, 1 December 2011 22:02 (twelve years ago) link

i've been reading this albert einstein biography and i just realized it's by the same guy who wrote the big steve jobs bio with all the crazy quotes

n/a, Thursday, 1 December 2011 22:06 (twelve years ago) link

nytimes, what a stoopit list. but swamplandia is p. neat. I think it's a dark, funny, beautifully written book that is also... forceably odd? not always very good? but super entertaining, too.

remy bean in exile, Thursday, 1 December 2011 22:07 (twelve years ago) link

http://www.readersread.com/pics/swamplandia_cover.jpg

^^^ may be an HBO miniseries?

remy bean in exile, Thursday, 1 December 2011 22:08 (twelve years ago) link

of the ones i read, swamplandia! was pretty great, art of fielding was pretty terrible, and 11/22/63 was solid but doesn't deserve to be in a best of 2011 list

n/a, Thursday, 1 December 2011 22:08 (twelve years ago) link

if you're going to read a large, numerically-titled sci fi-tinged novel about alternate worlds by an acclaimed novelist who's past his prime, i'd definitely go with 11/22/63 over 1Q84.

n/a, Thursday, 1 December 2011 22:09 (twelve years ago) link

feel to logey/dim to really organize my thoughts but swamplandia! was just too precious/considered/crafts-y for me

it is a p funny list non-fiction wise but im looking fwd to the new stephen king

є(٥_ ٥)э, Thursday, 1 December 2011 22:09 (twelve years ago) link

'art of fielding' was just actual garbage tho

є(٥_ ٥)э, Thursday, 1 December 2011 22:10 (twelve years ago) link

1Q84 gets worse and worse in my mind as more time passes since i read it, it's approaching "freedom" levels of disgust now

n/a, Thursday, 1 December 2011 22:10 (twelve years ago) link

swamplandia! had some "modern literary fiction" problems but at least had an interesting setting and unusual characters and an unpredictable plot, unlike art of fielding, with its precocious students and troubled headmaster at a small new england college

n/a, Thursday, 1 December 2011 22:12 (twelve years ago) link

^^ i think thats my fave of his

the idea that ppl dont read 'the art of fielding' filled with disgust for everyone involved makes me so angry

є(٥_ ٥)э, Thursday, 1 December 2011 22:21 (twelve years ago) link

Anybody read Ten Thousand Saints? That sounded amazing...

iagree (henrietta lacks), Thursday, 1 December 2011 22:24 (twelve years ago) link

xxxxps

Parts of Where I Was From put the water management systems described in that White Album essay into a broader historical context.

Warning, it is a depressing book. Didion summarizes the history of the state in the words of Virginia Reed, survivor of the Donner party: "Never take no cut-offs and hurry along as fast as you can."

Brad C., Thursday, 1 December 2011 22:25 (twelve years ago) link

lamp you remind me of f scott fitzgerald

wil smif, Thursday, 1 December 2011 22:25 (twelve years ago) link

ummmm????

yeah, i posted abt it on real ilx i think, i liked it a fair bit (xxp)

є(٥_ ٥)э, Thursday, 1 December 2011 22:26 (twelve years ago) link

its true you have a very similar writing style! & content even

wil smif, Thursday, 1 December 2011 22:27 (twelve years ago) link

yeah ten thousand saints did sound good, would read

Never translate German (schlump), Thursday, 1 December 2011 22:36 (twelve years ago) link

I finished Blue Nights before Thanksgiving -- not as affecting as its predecessor, almost thin in places. When she does her trick of repeating images like motifs it's quite moving: serving fried chicken on nice china, Quintana's rather eerie childhood self-possession, ordering room service when on assignment.

Lord Sotosyn, Thursday, 1 December 2011 22:43 (twelve years ago) link

swamplandia! had some "modern literary fiction" problems but at least had an interesting setting and unusual characters and an unpredictable plot, unlike art of fielding, with its precocious students and troubled headmaster at a small new england college

yes, this is exactly how i felt. but i was never ... bored? strangely, i seem to have read the same three (art of fielding, 11/22/63, and swamplandia!) as the rest of you. i wanted to read the tea ohbret book, but it was NPRed to death and I lost interest. maybe over the holidays. best nf book i read this year was 'warmth of other suns' but i guess that came out in 2010

remy bean in exile, Thursday, 1 December 2011 22:47 (twelve years ago) link

swamplandia! also had a story. i like stories.

n/a, Thursday, 1 December 2011 22:48 (twelve years ago) link

Lamp idk if ur interested at all in that kind thing but I'd love to read a list of yr top books of the year

iagree (henrietta lacks), Friday, 2 December 2011 00:19 (twelve years ago) link

me too

your voice of treason, Friday, 2 December 2011 00:25 (twelve years ago) link

Are we including history and biographies too? I'd be down for ILXers doing it.

Lord Sotosyn, Friday, 2 December 2011 01:56 (twelve years ago) link

Yah, I'm in for a best books of 2011 balloting. (Mine might be YA heavy, but then's the breaks).

remy bean in exile, Friday, 2 December 2011 02:12 (twelve years ago) link

a number of us seem to have the same reading list...and I did see that nytimes 10 best list as well.

I enjoyed art of fielding, but couldn't get through more than 20 pages of swamplandia. I have ten thousand saints on reserve at the library (it's actually 'e-reserve' -- apparently they only have 7 e-copies of it -- which seems absurd in the e-era).

calstars, Friday, 2 December 2011 02:36 (twelve years ago) link

copyright

flexidisc, Friday, 2 December 2011 02:37 (twelve years ago) link

bro

flexidisc, Friday, 2 December 2011 02:37 (twelve years ago) link

A new biography of acclaimed American author Kurt Vonnegut, beloved by fans worldwide for his work's warm humour and homespun Midwestern wisdom, has shocked many with a portrayal of a bitter, angry man prone to depression and fits of temper.

http://m.guardian.co.uk/books/2011/dec/03/kurt-vonnegut-biography?cat=books&type=article

Have these many who have been shocked ever read any Vonnegut.

Fizzles, Sunday, 4 December 2011 09:20 (twelve years ago) link

started Stephenson's Reamde and enjoying it more than I expected to. If you are a gamer or every have been, you will be amused.

calstars, Sunday, 4 December 2011 11:41 (twelve years ago) link

just finished Reamde - totally will make a great Hollywood movie, which was annoying in the final pages (to an NS fan) but afterwards I realize is an excellent development.

haven't read yet stack:
http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7149/6452963715_597be5981a.jpg

Zoroastrian Mingle, Sunday, 4 December 2011 15:54 (twelve years ago) link

haha reamde is in the pile of stuff i want to get to eventually... it just seemed so daunting atm

Lamp idk if ur interested at all in that kind thing but I'd love to read a list of yr top books of the year

id have to think abt but i love making lists of things

є(٥_ ٥)э, Monday, 5 December 2011 18:22 (twelve years ago) link

started pictures @ a revolution yesterday which i think i recall lord soto & maybe others recommending -- it is really great@!

j crunchwrap supreme, Monday, 5 December 2011 19:00 (twelve years ago) link

This History of Histories by John Burrow really is excellent. His summing-up of the main features of classical history, at the end of having dealt with the main classical historians in turn, is superb.

He really starts enjoying himself with the dark ages/early medieval chroniclers, becomes quite relaxed in fact, too relaxed even? But no, it's discursive, but not too discursive, and fun to read. Sometimes it feels more descriptive of what's in the histories than the introduction led me to think, but I don't particular mind this - as well as being historiography, it's a very handy prism with which to view specific case studies in history as well.

Fizzles, Monday, 5 December 2011 21:15 (twelve years ago) link

just finished A Visit From the Goon Squad (loved) and started on Death of Bunny Munro by Nick Cave. before that Murakami's Kafka on the Shore (didn't like it much)

sandbox dmr, Tuesday, 6 December 2011 19:54 (twelve years ago) link

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uhh (ok), Wednesday, 7 December 2011 15:39 (twelve years ago) link

that was an accident.

uhh (ok), Wednesday, 7 December 2011 15:39 (twelve years ago) link

**1Q84 SPOILER ALERT**
i found the scene where aomame meets The Leader in the hotel room to be supremely crepey. when he said "You could stick a needle in me and I wouldn't even feel it", i got freaked out and my heart started beating faster. probably one of the more visceral reactions i've had to literature
**1Q84 SPOILER ALERT**

uhh (ok), Wednesday, 7 December 2011 15:59 (twelve years ago) link

since there's no rolling new yorker magazine thread i'll post here that i just read Cesar Aira's fiction in last weeks issue and really liked it. if anyone who's familiar with him could recommend some of his stuff i'd appreciate it.

Crowell, Wednesday, 7 December 2011 21:02 (twelve years ago) link

My Life as a Nun is super

flexidisc, Wednesday, 7 December 2011 21:03 (twelve years ago) link

**1Q84 SPOILER ALERT**
i found the scene where aomame meets The Leader in the hotel room to be supremely crepey. when he said "You could stick a needle in me and I wouldn't even feel it", i got freaked out and my heart started beating faster. probably one of the more visceral reactions i've had to literature

i thought a lot of the stuff w/ the little people was suspensful and kinda scary, like when they appear out of the girl's mouth for the first time.
**1Q84 SPOILER ALERT**

blah blah blah (є(٥_ ٥)э), Wednesday, 7 December 2011 21:37 (twelve years ago) link

Raoul Vaneigem "The Revolution Of Everyday Life" - fascinating Situationist call to action (or not).

Jay To The Vee Ee Eee, Wednesday, 7 December 2011 21:57 (twelve years ago) link

three weeks pass...

reread PKD's androids/dream - excellently well written in comparison to that steaming pile of excrement that was the last murakami (& dick was pretty hacky) - it's all about mercer & isodore, couldn't give a monkey's about the robots, albeit that mercer's star turn is a ghost of Xmas past / obi wan cheesefest. also "martian time slip" which came over as a marital infidelity drama set in 1950's Australia.
currently halfway through stanley crawford's "log of the s.s the mrs unguentine" which is flipin marvelous.

farah ferrigno, Wednesday, 28 December 2011 13:48 (twelve years ago) link

enjoying ten thousand saints but it feels very familiar so far. waiting for the story to go somewhere new. seems very concerned with trying to evoke the east village through landmarks and music references, zzz

calstars, Wednesday, 28 December 2011 14:13 (twelve years ago) link

that was one of my big problems with The Fortress of Solitude :/

Heck Yep (henrietta lacks), Wednesday, 28 December 2011 18:43 (twelve years ago) link

seems very concerned with trying to evoke the east village through landmarks and music references, zzz

tending to the graveyard of unloved books (those I'm not optimistic enough about concentrating on to justify moving out) at my folks' place, I dipped into KILL ALL YOUR DARLINGS by Luc Sante, which came out a few years ago. enjoying his period New Yorkisms.

I'd like to read Ten Thousand Saints, I read Hate: a Romance when it came out maybe looking for that kinda thing.

Never translate German (schlump), Wednesday, 28 December 2011 19:06 (twelve years ago) link

maybe I'm wrong; maybe that's not what I hated about it, maybe I just hated the popcultural cataloguing though that was def a big part of my adolescence as well...?

Heck Yep (henrietta lacks), Wednesday, 28 December 2011 19:44 (twelve years ago) link

Halfway through Saints and it's getting better. Going some unexpected places and keeps me turning the pages. It's a relief of sorts to kind of stop looking for some grand statement in the book, realizing it's not that kind of novel, and just enjoying the story.

calstars, Thursday, 29 December 2011 14:42 (twelve years ago) link

brain went over christmas, read a couple of extended article type books.

in search of the perfect pub, a christmas gift. It was ok. Was dreading a jokey travelogue or nostalgic localism but it's more thoughtful than that. Too bitty, though, lacks focus.

Also and then there's this: how stories live and die in viral culture by Bill Wasik, which was fine-to-good, pleasantly anecdotal & smart first-hand amble through that stuff.

Sort of read The Compleat Angler. Fabulous prose, but skimmed when it got too fishy.

Headlong Hall. I think I've finally acknowledged to myself that I don't like Peacock.

woof, Thursday, 29 December 2011 16:02 (twelve years ago) link

i quite liked peacock, or at least i tried to make myself. i don't know. only read nightmare abbey.

finished the marriage plot. ending rather insipid.

been trying to make myself go back to bleak house, instead soothing a chest cold and sleep-deprivation fatigue by reading 'the complete masks of nyarlathotep: the classic call of cthulhu adventure, complete for the first time, with the lost australian chapter and four new episodes'

thompp, Thursday, 29 December 2011 16:40 (twelve years ago) link

Fuck, now you mention it, it was nightmare abbey not headlong hall

I've had a longstanding notion that I should like him - he's spot-on for me in theory - but I always glaze over when reading him. (see also Firbank).

woof, Thursday, 29 December 2011 16:51 (twelve years ago) link

i was thinking about reading firbank. i found an anthology at work and put it aside. and then realised i'd put aside a near-identical anthology about fifteen months before. so i've been thinking about reading firbank for a while, i suppose.

thompp, Thursday, 29 December 2011 16:55 (twelve years ago) link

imo they're such short books it's worth reading 1 or 2 to find out if he's your kind of fun.

woof, Thursday, 29 December 2011 17:10 (twelve years ago) link

firbank is p silly

є(٥_ ٥)э, Thursday, 29 December 2011 18:01 (twelve years ago) link

Always struggled with Firbank too. Well, struggled through about half of about three or four novella-length works. People who like him admire the various refinements of his humour, a sort of fin-de-siecle plus, (or minus if that equates an ironic refinement), but I always feel as if I'm handling a recalcitrant hoover when I'm reading.

Daniel Deronda and some way into Either/Or over Christmas. It was that sort of Christmas, internally anyway, the festivities were perfectly convivial.

Daniel Deronda is a very strange book, isn't it? Eliot is an extraordinary writer, such a control over the psychological motivations of her characters, and the bleakest most material ideas you can imagine all managed with great intellectual brilliance. You would fear her sympathy as being very little different in quality to her criticism. There are vast swaths of Victorian sentiment swaddling some her characters - there's so much work that goes on around some characters to indicate their goodness, and in general her sense of irony is too fine for this continual application of sentimental make-up to be at all convincing. If you attempt to clear off this sentimental mummy that surrounds some of the characters you find that there's hardly a single appealing character in the whole work. I've never read a novel where it's quite so clear that all the author is interested in is ideas. Eliot has absolutely no interest in the quotidian whatsoever - fashion is flippantly dismissed in a single short paragraph, and NO ONE EATS EVER. She mentions food once, and that dismissively (it's a pet theory I have that realist writers aren't interested in food, only genre and fantastic writers are - Eliot has given that rather wobbly idea a shot of amphetamines). Power and resistance, power and resistance, a vicious heath-robinson moral manufactory of a novel, with Deronda the most powerful of all - it takes a whole religion to take him down. And all so brilliantly done, too.

And then on top of this you've got these vast tracts of hectoring Old Testament blood and thunder + Romantic Nationalism, which cure Daniel Deronda of being a sanctimonious prick at which point he buggers off into the desert sunset.

Thoroughly enjoyable, but rather nasty as well.

Enjoying Either/Or... again, well I think again. I had a copy that had Fear and Trembling as well, but I think that must have been edited highlights, because this full version is two volumes. Especially enjoying it after the rather top-down controlling of Eliot in DD. To feel the existential struggles of a Romantic individual as, by all sorts of fragmentary means, it tries to find some sort of meaning or understanding of itself in the world is exactly what I need. Maybe I shall contract a brain fever.

Fizzles, Thursday, 29 December 2011 18:15 (twelve years ago) link

there was a point this term where everyone at my college was going around reading 'either/or'; that was kind of weird.

eliot is someone i feel like i would like to read more of; these things sound like the sort of things i would be glad to find of her.

i am back on beckett, for the evening

thompp, Thursday, 29 December 2011 20:56 (twelve years ago) link

yeah D Deronda sounds great

~connecticut~ (henrietta lacks), Thursday, 29 December 2011 21:01 (twelve years ago) link

c.j. lines' "cold mirrors" like the 666th Pan book of horror stories edited by herbert van thal except written ever so well in a slightly will selfy style ( tho less verbose ) only thing that lets it down is that in place of self's unpleasant witty denouements we get rather "garth merenghi" endings to the stories. genre bound but showing promise.
reading sherlock holmeses, now, holmes.

farah ferrigno, Friday, 30 December 2011 10:47 (twelve years ago) link


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