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― jim (jim), Tuesday, 5 December 2006 22:07 (eighteen years ago) link

all-time worst mustache in Rock History?

See, now this is why getting my mod status on IMM back would be worthwhile.

― John Justen wants to hit you in the head with a pipewrench. (John Justen), Tuesday, 5 December 2006 22:19 (eighteen years ago) link

HI DERE AGAIN:

all-time worst mustache in Rock History?

― John Justen wants to hit you in the head with a pipewrench. (John Justen), Tuesday, 5 December 2006 22:21 (eighteen years ago) link

That, BTW is on ILE. The first one I linked is on IMM.

― John Justen wants to hit you in the head with a pipewrench. (John Justen), Tuesday, 5 December 2006 22:22 (eighteen years ago) link

Well at least he's bringing the thunder on himself by spamming away like a clown thus actually breaking rules rather than just being obnoxious in a more vague way.

― jim (jim), Tuesday, 5 December 2006 22:26 (eighteen years ago) link

While we're at it, was that Mouth Full of Muppets stuff really Marissa? The world needs to know.

― Marmot (marmotwolof), Tuesday, 5 December 2006 23:09 (eighteen years ago) link

nah. she had no html skills

― jelky (jergins), Wednesday, 6 December 2006 00:02 (seventeen years ago) link

Yeah I know but such things could have been learned rather quickly. She hadn't posted in a while.

― Marmot (marmotwolof), Wednesday, 6 December 2006 00:44 (seventeen years ago) link

http://img401.imageshack.us/img401/8831/catpresident9rf.png

― obi strip (sanskrit), Wednesday, 6 December 2006 01:03 (seventeen years ago) link

too...premeditated, or something? i don't know, just guessing

― jelky (jergins), Wednesday, 6 December 2006 01:03 (seventeen years ago) link

The Marissas were created by ILX.
They evolved.
They rebelled.
There are many copies.
And they have a plan.

― Marmot (marmotwolof), Wednesday, 6 December 2006 02:09 (seventeen years ago) link

ding
ding
ding ding ding
ding

― kingfish in absentia (kingfish), Wednesday, 6 December 2006 16:44 (seventeen years ago) link

Can a site admin knock this one on the head now?

― Matt DC (Matt DC), Wednesday, 6 December 2006 17:41 (seventeen years ago) link

cosign or whatever the fuck people say now when they mean "no really fuck this blog pimping gimp"

― Blaze the Violet Flame (nu_onimo), Thursday, 7 December 2006 00:03 (seventeen years ago) link

http://content.answers.com/main/content/wp/en/1/13/Pepe_Le_Pew.JPG

― Venom 18, the autistic spy (flezaffe), Tuesday, 12 December 2006 18:14 (seventeen years ago) link

plz plz plz ban

― this is cutty (mcutt), Tuesday, 12 December 2006 18:17 (seventeen years ago) link

With extreme prejudice.

― Fat Lady Wrestler (Modal Fugue), Tuesday, 12 December 2006 19:02 (seventeen years ago) link

Banned on IMM to establish precedent.

― John Justen wishes you all waterfalls of poppage. (John Justen), Tuesday, 12 December 2006 19:09 (seventeen years ago) link

POINTLESS GESTURES WILL MAKE OUR INTERNET STRONG.

― John Justen wishes you all waterfalls of poppage. (John Justen), Tuesday, 12 December 2006 19:13 (seventeen years ago) link

On a more serious note, could the ILM mods just lock him from starting questions? I think that would remove the problem.

― John Justen wishes you all waterfalls of poppage. (John Justen), Tuesday, 12 December 2006 19:19 (seventeen years ago) link

What is his relationship to this Christiane F character?

― Fat Lady Wrestler (Modal Fugue), Tuesday, 12 December 2006 19:33 (seventeen years ago) link

i think steve just finds him really amusing and wants to keep him around

― friday on the porch (lfam), Tuesday, 12 December 2006 20:12 (seventeen years ago) link

BAN WANGMAN AND HIS FLUNKY

― Venom 18, the autistic spy (flezaffe), Tuesday, 12 December 2006 23:28 (seventeen years ago) link

leave steve/christiane alone

― friday on the porch (lfam), Tuesday, 12 December 2006 23:45 (seventeen years ago) link

BAN FRIDAY ON THE PORCH

― Mr. Que (Party with me Punker), Wednesday, 13 December 2006 14:42 (seventeen years ago) link

Tad, Steve isn't actually a moderator any more. The reason I haven't banned him is mostly because I haven't really noticed him. A lot of those thread titles aren't any glaringly worse than the sort of corny indie fux0r threads that I gloss over on a regular basis.

I mean, this guy is essentially harmless if very stupid and annoying, right?

― Matt DC (Matt DC), Wednesday, 13 December 2006 16:13 (seventeen years ago) link

(I'm asking seriously what the problem is here, I can't be arsed to trawl through endless threads to find out. If he's doing something worse then just starting dumb threads then let me know).

― Matt DC (Matt DC), Wednesday, 13 December 2006 16:15 (seventeen years ago) link

He constantly links to his own myspace blog, he asks the same questions over and over all throughout the internet, on the NME boards, and Sound Opinions and the Alternative Press boards. That said, the dude does ask the most ridiculous questions, and as long as you don't get sucked into his suckitude, he's hysterical.

― Mr. Que (Party with me Punker), Wednesday, 13 December 2006 17:01 (seventeen years ago) link

I guess it's OK to be boring if you're not posting loads or starting lots of dull threads.

(That's not sarc btw)

― M Grout (Mark Grout), Wednesday, 13 December 2006 17:10 (seventeen years ago) link

He does seem to have calmed down on pimping his blog on recent questions, and he hasn't been posting inane things on inappropriate boards (although I banned him from IMM after the "Moustache" fiasco, so who knows?)

Still, I just read the cache of the "Louie Louie" thread, and it's pretty classic trolling obnoxiousness, so I'd keep an eye on the little fella.

― John Justen wishes you all waterfalls of poppage. (John Justen), Wednesday, 13 December 2006 18:00 (seventeen years ago) link

he cannot be real.

― grady (grady), Thursday, 14 December 2006 01:42 (seventeen years ago) link

there was a time when the noise board didn't believe you were real

― friday on the porch (lfam), Thursday, 14 December 2006 05:53 (seventeen years ago) link

lol

― grady (grady), Thursday, 14 December 2006 07:29 (seventeen years ago) link

mods: please make this a PEW thread.
-- grady (goforgrad...), December 14th, 2006 2:29 AM. (grady)

― has been plagued with problems since its erection in 1978 (nklshs), Thursday, 14 December 2006 15:30 (seventeen years ago) link

I mean, this guy is essentially harmless if very stupid and annoying, right?

-- Matt DC (runmd...), December 13th, 2006. (Matt DC)

Estie Buttez, RIP

― bill sackter (bill sackter), Friday, 15 December 2006 04:53 (seventeen years ago) link

Viva Louis

― sede vacante (blueski), Friday, 15 December 2006 10:47 (seventeen years ago) link

BAN PEW

― I Am Curious (George) (Slight Return) (Rock Hardy), Sunday, 17 December 2006 14:52 (seventeen years ago) link

plzzzz

― jergins (jergins), Sunday, 17 December 2006 19:45 (seventeen years ago) link

I want him banned, I want his family banned, I want his computer burned to the ground so I can piss on his mouse.

― Fat Lady Wrestler (Modal Fugue), Sunday, 17 December 2006 20:10 (seventeen years ago) link

That would be a great start.

― I Am Curious (George) (Slight Return) (Rock Hardy), Sunday, 17 December 2006 20:56 (seventeen years ago) link

as long as you don't get sucked into his suckitude

*hangs head in shame*

― StanM (StanM), Sunday, 17 December 2006 22:39 (seventeen years ago) link

After the guy's racist trolling on the ultravox thread, I locked him & IP banned him. What the fuck is wrong with this guy?

― Norman Phay (Pashmina), Tuesday, 19 December 2006 10:08 (seventeen years ago) link

Wasn't there some thread on the Noise board that also used the phrase 'a coon's age'? ironic no doubt, but this seemed the same as that really. i don't think he was being deliberately/intentionally racist altho he was deliberately winding people up.

not that i particularly care whether he's able to post or not really.

― sede vacante (blueski), Tuesday, 19 December 2006 11:11 (seventeen years ago) link

Ah, I see now. I hadn't, before.

― M Grout (Mark Grout), Tuesday, 19 December 2006 11:31 (seventeen years ago) link

Hmm. I thought that his final post, the 'calling a spade a spade' one, was actually a semi-amusing attempt to join me in my parody of words and phrases that can appear to be racist but actually aren't (after I reluctantly accepted his perhaps tenuous exlanation for 'a coon's age'). But to have qualms with the final straw disregards the camel-load of bullshine PEW's inflicted upon the rest of us, so I shall cease my defence here.

Besides, the phrase 'calling a spade a spade' by origin at least is racist whichever way you put it, despite its apparently diverse usage.

― I am the best lyrocost since Dylan (Scourage), Tuesday, 19 December 2006 15:14 (seventeen years ago) link

*explanation

― I am the best lyrocost since Dylan (Scourage), Tuesday, 19 December 2006 15:15 (seventeen years ago) link

i used 'a spade a spade' once. good times.

― sede vacante (blueski), Tuesday, 19 December 2006 15:27 (seventeen years ago) link

How is "calling a spade a spade" racist? A spade is a garden tool, that's where the saying comes from...

Basically using the phrase a 'coon's age' is just a common phrase I use, being brought up in a rural central illinois, there was no racist connotation meant by it whatsoever. What pissed me off was the white-guilt idiot who implied that it was meant to be racist. So my calling a spade a spade comment was just to poke more fun at the idiotic ways of those who suffer from white guilt. I guess I thought this board had more of a sense of humor--or at least as much sense of humor as a typical Daily Show bit...
Which just shoes me that this place isnt as cool, hip, with-it or tuned on, as I thought it was...

― PEW (PEW), Tuesday, 19 December 2006 15:38 (seventeen years ago) link

Are you denigrating the board?

― Fat Lady Wrestler (Modal Fugue), Tuesday, 19 December 2006 15:39 (seventeen years ago) link

besides, I'm not a racist...I've had sex with several black chicks in my day...

― PEW (PEW), Tuesday, 19 December 2006 15:39 (seventeen years ago) link

You forgot this bit:

I see that there are some people here who obviously suffer from white man's guilt. Rather a pity, really...

-- PEW (HouseholdName@co

Go away, please.

― Norman Phay (Pashmina), Tuesday, 19 December 2006 15:44 (seventeen years ago) link

besides, I'm not a racist...I've had sex with several black chicks in my day...

*speechless*

― I am the best lyrocost since Dylan (Scourage), Tuesday, 19 December 2006 15:45 (seventeen years ago) link

PEW is needed here: im getting a dog in january. it's a redbone coonhound. noize sandbox, meet redbone coonhounds:

― sede vacante (blueski), Tuesday, 19 December 2006 16:34 (seventeen years ago) link

Which just shoes me that this place isnt as cool, hip, with-it or tuned on, as I thought it was...

Then by all means, shoe yourself to the door.

― I Am Curious (George) (Slight Return) (Rock Hardy), Tuesday, 19 December 2006 16:52 (seventeen years ago) link

THe first part of overcoming white man's guilt is accepting that you have it. I'm here to help you.

― PEW (PEW), Tuesday, 19 December 2006 16:53 (seventeen years ago) link

"Coon's age" is not in and of itself a racist phrase. I started that thread, and the phrase's use was ironic, but only because it's antiquated, not because it's racist. Obv. I am aware of the racist implications of the word "coon," however. Also, I don't know what PEW said.

― jaymc (jaymc), Tuesday, 19 December 2006 17:17 (seventeen years ago) link

gygax! (RIP) weighs in:

"coon's age" is NOT racist. unless you are very racially sensitive about raccoons.
-- gygax! (gygax0...), October 11th, 2004 5:43 PM. (gygax!) (link)

― jaymc (jaymc), Tuesday, 19 December 2006 17:21 (seventeen years ago) link

is "coons age" a racist phrase?

-- hstencil (hstenc!...), October 11th, 2004 4:12 AM. (hstencil) (link)

You better believe it

-- jaymc (jmcunnin...), October 11th, 2004 4:12 AM. (jaymc) (link)

― obi strip (sanskrit), Tuesday, 19 December 2006 17:23 (seventeen years ago) link

lol, backpedaling

― obi strip (sanskrit), Tuesday, 19 December 2006 17:23 (seventeen years ago) link

lol, joeking

― jaymc (jaymc), Tuesday, 19 December 2006 17:23 (seventeen years ago) link

don't take that the wrong way, j. that thread is hilarious and you need to post high more often.

― obi strip (sanskrit), Tuesday, 19 December 2006 17:25 (seventeen years ago) link

Only someone who is suffering from white-man's guilt would interpret the saying 'coon's age' as being racists. When I pointed that out, then made fun of that person's condition I was banned. Whihc leads me to beleive that the cat who banned me is also suffering from white-man's guilt...And white man's guilt actually IS a form of racism...just because you listen to James Brown and vote democrat does not mean you are not racist, especially when you look the other way at the racial injustices that are ingrained into this nation's socio-economic system, and that you whole-heartedly buy into...

― PEW (PEW), Tuesday, 19 December 2006 21:03 (seventeen years ago) link

cat?

― Onimo has his finger in the stink (nu_onimo), Tuesday, 19 December 2006 21:13 (seventeen years ago) link

cue a raft of 'funny' cat jpgs

― I am the best lyrocost since Dylan (Scourage), Tuesday, 19 December 2006 21:19 (seventeen years ago) link

Wow, you truly are sticking it to that self-appointed metropolitan liberal elite there Paul. What a brave, brave man you are.

Can we lock this odious little Nude Spock-lite out of the ModReq forum please?

― Matt DC (Matt DC), Tuesday, 19 December 2006 21:57 (seventeen years ago) link

Seconded.

― I Am Curious (George) (Slight Return) (Rock Hardy), Tuesday, 19 December 2006 22:07 (seventeen years ago) link

cue a raft of 'funny' cat jpgs

http://graphics1.snopes.com/photos/animals/graphics/raftcat_small.jpg

― Marmot (marmotwolof), Tuesday, 19 December 2006 23:24 (seventeen years ago) link

I'm not trying to stick it to anyone Matt. I'm just here to help. And in order to help, the truth must be acknowledged. White-man's guilt is the largest form of racism against blacks (and other minorities) in our society. And the reason for this is because no one admits it. If you dont confront racism head on and in an honest manner (and instead opt for the white-man guilts approach of lookign the other way) then you will not make any progress in ridding our society of it...

― PEW (PEW), Tuesday, 19 December 2006 23:58 (seventeen years ago) link

As much as we all appreciate your attempts to lend us a helping hand, Paul, SHUT YOUR FUCKING PIEHOLE.

Needless to say, I'm all for a sitewide ban on this douchebag.

― John Justen is interested in eating your pet. (John Justen), Wednesday, 20 December 2006 00:38 (seventeen years ago) link

Yes, please. This foul syphilitic cnut is hitting all my rage buttons.

― I Am Curious (George) (Slight Return) (Rock Hardy), Wednesday, 20 December 2006 02:14 (seventeen years ago) link

did you just call me a c-nut?
Thems fightin werdz, Mister!!!

― PEW (PEW), Wednesday, 20 December 2006 02:53 (seventeen years ago) link

this place isnt as cool, hip, with-it or tuned on, as I thought it was...

Yes, you're right. These aren't the droids you're looking for. Move along.

― Marmot (marmotwolof), Wednesday, 20 December 2006 08:19 (seventeen years ago) link

Is there any reason at all not to just nuke this jerk?

― stet (stet), Wednesday, 20 December 2006 14:36 (seventeen years ago) link

You mean, press the magical new button that deletes everything he's ever posted? Depends on whether or not people want any of his threads around I suppose.

― Matt DC (Matt DC), Wednesday, 20 December 2006 14:45 (seventeen years ago) link

NUKE WAGEMAMA

― Mr. Que (Party with me Punker), Wednesday, 20 December 2006 14:51 (seventeen years ago) link

http://www.cynical-c.com/archives/bloggraphics/95129c.jpg

― Mr. Que (Party with me Punker), Wednesday, 20 December 2006 14:52 (seventeen years ago) link

I wouldn't delete all his posts, but I do support a sitewide ban.

― I Am Curious (George) (Slight Return) (Rock Hardy), Wednesday, 20 December 2006 15:13 (seventeen years ago) link

FWIW I don't think there's any need to nuke him, seeing as some of the threads that have sprung up from his posts are probably semi-interesting to some people.

― Matt DC (Matt DC), Wednesday, 20 December 2006 15:15 (seventeen years ago) link

Right he's locked out. But if he returns, I'm nuking his posts (I'll keep the threads)

― stet (stet), Wednesday, 20 December 2006 15:25 (seventeen years ago) link

I don't like the post nuking idea - smacks of historical revisionism, plus makes some threads nonsensical. More nonsensical. If nothing else I'd like to see some kind of indication,

message removed

or somesuch.

― ledge (ledge), Wednesday, 20 December 2006 15:50 (seventeen years ago) link

Yeh, it does that now.

― stet (stet), Wednesday, 20 December 2006 16:33 (seventeen years ago) link

http://altpress.com/moshpit/viewmessages.cfm?forum=21&topic=6482

rofflez

― Jaufre Rudel (Jaufre Rudel), Sunday, 24 December 2006 13:52 (seventeen years ago) link

hahaha, an admin at that site finally notices the thread and says "sure, I'll ban the dude."

I wonder how many places he's gotten banned from?

― Joe Isuzu's Petals (Rock Hardy), Sunday, 24 December 2006 14:13 (seventeen years ago) link

hahah oh man, if we only had .sigs on here

Happy 20th Anniversary
http://www.joystiq.com/media/2006/02/Zelda-20-years.jpg
1987-2007

― kingfish in absentia (kingfish), Sunday, 24 December 2006 17:34 (seventeen years ago) link

http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=388066

― Mike Dixn (Mike Dixon), Sunday, 24 December 2006 18:15 (seventeen years ago) link

God, what a tool. I feel bad for the wife and kid, esp. since he seems so clueless about what a tool he is.

― Joe Isuzu's Petals (Rock Hardy), Sunday, 24 December 2006 18:55 (seventeen years ago) link

If there's anything that fascinates me as much as trolls, it's people who are so clueless about how they come across. Back in '92 or so I was in an APA with a guy who was such a cunt to his wife that she drove to one of the Bay Area bridges, got out of her car and made the big jump. And he was all "I hope I find someone else soon, my kids are a double handful to have to deal with by myself."

― Joe Isuzu's Petals (Rock Hardy), Sunday, 24 December 2006 19:15 (seventeen years ago) link

asshole pricks association?

― friday on the porch (lfam), Sunday, 24 December 2006 21:22 (seventeen years ago) link

sorry if that reflects poorly on you, but wow.

― friday on the porch (lfam), Sunday, 24 December 2006 21:22 (seventeen years ago) link

I heard it was supposed to be a Little Golden Book anyways...

TS: PEW's book VS Kevin Federline's rap album

― Marmot (marmotwolof), Sunday, 24 December 2006 21:26 (seventeen years ago) link

APA = Amateur Press Association This one in particular was for comic book fans, a social-skills-challenged bunch to begin with, even the ones who don't drive their wives to suicide.

― Joe Isuzu's Petals (Rock Hardy), Monday, 25 December 2006 04:42 (seventeen years ago) link

Guess who?

How James Brown benefitted from WhiteMan's Guilt:

Don't bother to click the link unless you want to get frothingly angry...

― John Justen, surrounded by frail, wispy people. (John Justen), Wednesday, 27 December 2006 01:38 (seventeen years ago) link

beat me to it.

― teeny (teeny), Wednesday, 27 December 2006 01:40 (seventeen years ago) link

ooh quick work!

― teeny (teeny), Wednesday, 27 December 2006 01:47 (seventeen years ago) link

thanks stet

― jerginsito (jergins), Wednesday, 27 December 2006 01:53 (seventeen years ago) link

I didn't think he was smart enough to get around an IP ban...?

― Joe Isuzu's Petals (Rock Hardy), Wednesday, 27 December 2006 01:59 (seventeen years ago) link

1:46 AM, 27 Dec 06 How James Brown benefitted from WhiteMan's Guilt: deleted by stet (paul edward fuckwit)
1:49 AM, 27 Dec 06 This is just a modern rock song locked user PEW by stet (blog.fuckwit.com)

kudos.

― Dom Passantino (DomPassantino), Wednesday, 27 December 2006 02:04 (seventeen years ago) link

Am I the only one who got an email from him yet?

― John Justen, surrounded by frail, wispy people. (John Justen), Wednesday, 27 December 2006 02:13 (seventeen years ago) link

My old bellsouth email address doesn't exist anymore -- makes a great spam filter...

― Joe Isuzu's Petals (Rock Hardy), Wednesday, 27 December 2006 02:52 (seventeen years ago) link

The retardest working man in troll business

― Ruud Haarvest (KenL), Wednesday, 27 December 2006 18:41 (seventeen years ago) link

roffle

― Joe Isuzu's Petals (Rock Hardy), Wednesday, 27 December 2006 19:00 (seventeen years ago) link

Apparently PEW is known as "Ace" elsewhere.

― jaymc (jaymc), Thursday, 28 December 2006 20:47 (seventeen years ago) link

sandbox enemy list

― shakey mo jopotatoes (bundgee), Thursday, 28 December 2006 21:24 (seventeen years ago) link

It's always the biggest jokers that want to be called "Ace".

― Marmot (marmotwolof), Thursday, 28 December 2006 23:17 (seventeen years ago) link

http://i64.photobucket.com/albums/h175/PaulEdwardWagemann/pew-whitecollar.jpg
"look! a nigger! it's a nigger!"
http://www.wavelengthtoronto.com/graphics/sept-2004/compare-contrast-jame%23331E0.jpg

― friday on the porch (lfam), Friday, 29 December 2006 01:44 (seventeen years ago) link

can we get this guy blocked from the DNS servers or something?

― friday on the porch (lfam), Friday, 29 December 2006 01:44 (seventeen years ago) link

Have I missed him posting again? He's been IP banned for a couple of weeks at least.

Anyway, it looks like he's found an audience ~~as moronic as he is~~ worthy of his attentions at last:

http://www.nme.com/boards/showthread.php?t=59707

― Norman Phay (Pashmina), Friday, 29 December 2006 10:54 (seventeen years ago) link

I was going to ask whether or not there's anything sadder than a troll so deprived of oxygen that he has to email posters offboard in order to carry on, but resorting to TROLLING THE NME FORUMS is possibly it.

― Matt DC (Matt DC), Friday, 29 December 2006 12:10 (seventeen years ago) link

http://www.soundopinions.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=8602

http://www.board123.com/forums/index.php?mforum=JulieBurchill&showtopic=46182

http://www.drownedinsound.com/articles/1443262

http://www.websitetoolbox.com/tool/post/strummernews/vpost?id=1595180&pid=14993443#post14993443

http://ubb.mojo4music.com/showflat.php?Cat=&Board=UBB1&Number=416486&page=0&view=collapsed&sb=5&o=31&fpart=all

― Mike Dixn (Mike Dixon), Friday, 29 December 2006 16:36 (seventeen years ago) link

Oh my, a message board all to himself:
http://groups.msn.com/ROCKISM101/messages.msnw

― Mike Dixn (Mike Dixon), Friday, 29 December 2006 16:48 (seventeen years ago) link

If I went to all those boards and posted his home address and phone number, would that make me a bad person?

― Joe Isuzu's Petals (Rock Hardy), Friday, 29 December 2006 17:08 (seventeen years ago) link

'bad' is so subjective

― Comrades, meet Tildo Durd (Scourage), Friday, 29 December 2006 17:10 (seventeen years ago) link

What a weird, weird dude he is.

― Norman Phay (Pashmina), Friday, 29 December 2006 17:50 (seventeen years ago) link

I think that straightdope board where he talks about his miserable marriage is the keyhole into his head.

― Joe Isuzu's Petals (Rock Hardy), Friday, 29 December 2006 18:03 (seventeen years ago) link

He could just be the best gimmick poster in the history of the internet, you know? He's probably really a 17 year old AZN kid from Dartmouth.

― Dom Passantino (DomPassantino), Friday, 29 December 2006 18:07 (seventeen years ago) link

-- Edvard Butt Munchausen, December 29th, 2006 6:32 PM. (Edvard Butt Munchausen) (link)

same old same old back in the saddle

― If you ain't eatin' WHAM, you ain't eatin' HAM (trm), Friday, 29 December 2006 18:38 (seventeen years ago) link

i just want him to go off the net because of you pash

― friday on the porch (lfam), Friday, 29 December 2006 19:02 (seventeen years ago) link

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