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Record of the Day UK Music Press Awards: Alexis Petridis is the Best Music Writer in Britian

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Record Reviews: Writer of
the Year
Alexis Petridis – The Guardian
Andy Gill – The Independent
Kitty Empire – The Observer
Pete Paphides – The Times
Simon Price – Independent on
Sunday
Runner up: Kitty Empire
Winner: Alexis Petridis
Alexis was praised for his “insightful”, “honest” and “carefully justified” opinions on new albums. Voters described his record reviews forbeing “funny, insightful, nicely unpretentious and always readable.”

Artist and Music Features:
Writer of the Year
Alexis Petridis
Dan Cairns
Pete Paphides
Sophie Heawood
Stevie Chick
Runner Up: Dan Cairns
Winner: Alexis Petridis
Your votes told us that Alexis is considered far and wide to be at the top of his game. You praised him for being “articulate and capable of independent thought,” and for always writing “interesting, well-written and memorable” copy.One voter told us Alexis should win because his “work stands alone”.

Editor of the Year
Caspar Llewellyn-Smith – Observer
Music Monthly
Conor McNicolas - NME
Mark Ellen – The Word
Paul Brannigan – Kerrang!
Paul Rees – Q
Runner-up: Paul Brannigan
Winner: Conor McNicolas
Conor won votes for his vision for
the NME,
together
with his
enthusiasm
and total
commitment
to his cause.
He was also
praised for being fully in tune with
the new media landscape, and
for proving himself highly adept
at finding new ways to reach and
enthuse existing and new NME
readers alike.

― acrobat (acrobat), Wednesday, 29 November 2006 00:39 (seventeen years ago) link

And the winner of Best Attendance was...?

― Andy_K (Andy_K), Wednesday, 29 November 2006 02:13 (seventeen years ago) link

"Record of the Day"?

ihttp://www.nostalgiacentral.com/images_tv/americanbandstand_02.jpg

― Factory Sample Not For Sale (Factory Sample Not For Sale), Wednesday, 29 November 2006 06:24 (seventeen years ago) link

"Britian"?

― Factory Sample Not For Sale (Factory Sample Not For Sale), Wednesday, 29 November 2006 06:25 (seventeen years ago) link

Passantino waz robbed?

― [electric sound of] esteban buttez (Estie Buttez), Wednesday, 29 November 2006 06:43 (seventeen years ago) link

"Broadsheet music press indulges in mutual arselicking" shock horror youth cult probe.

― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Wednesday, 29 November 2006 08:28 (seventeen years ago) link

Artist and Music Features:
Writer of the Year
Alexis Petridis
Dan Cairns
Pete Paphides
Sophie Heawood
Stevie Chick
Runner Up: Dan Cairns
Winner: Alexis Petridis


Even if there were only five fucking music writers in the country, there'd be no excuse for nominating Heawood.

― Dom Passantino (DomPassantino), Wednesday, 29 November 2006 08:43 (seventeen years ago) link

With the obvious exception of the good Mr Chick, there'd be no excuse for nominating ANY of those tossers!

― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Wednesday, 29 November 2006 08:49 (seventeen years ago) link

Somebody call 999! Lex has been robbed!

― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Wednesday, 29 November 2006 08:51 (seventeen years ago) link

did a bit of yr googling and was struck by this. well one sentence really made my brain hurt.

Heart of darkness
Sophie Heawood

Published 16 October 2006

Amy Winehouse - Back to Black

Popular music has always walked hand in hand with the seven deadly sins, and the current crop of drug-guzzling stars is no exception. But while Mike Skinner and Pete Doherty headed to the Priory and wrote boring songs about it, Amy Winehouse didn't get past the check-in desk.

This may have been unwise mentally, but musically it was a canny move, as it's provided her with one of the least boring records to be released all year. "Rehab", the song that opens her new album, Back to Black, is all about the failed attempts of those around her to make her seek help. "They tried to make me go to rehab, but I said no, no, no," she bellows.

Those who remember Winehouse only for hitting the charts at roughly the same time as Katie Melua and Natasha Bedingfield might well wonder what she's been doing getting herself into such a state. In fact, she was always a world apart from the kind of female singer for whom exploring the dark heart of creativity means buying a peasant skirt from River Island. She's a heavily tattooed, 23-year-old north Londoner with fluctuating weight, a penchant for drink and a vivid sexuality, and a voice that clearly owes a debt to the childhood she spent listening to her daddy's jazz records.

That abortive trip to the Priory sets the tone for an album full of late nights and even later mornings. A fantasy about getting with the rapper Nas is the apparent inspiration behind "Me and Mr Jones (Fuckery)". "You Know I'm No Good" is about being a troublesome type, and "Love Is a Losing Game" is self-explanatory, though not predictable. The gluttony theme even extends to rhyming "bitter" with "chips and pitta", a couplet that Lily Allen would kill for. Back to Black reveals a darkness that would surely make Winehouse's daddy proud.

― acrobat (acrobat), Wednesday, 29 November 2006 11:39 (seventeen years ago) link

That sentence is on a par with the guy in the Independent on Sunday who commented on how lucky we were to have had the Vietnam war since it produced so many good soul songs.

― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Wednesday, 29 November 2006 11:43 (seventeen years ago) link

"Bring the Boys Back" is almost worth a war.

― Domino Man (Modal Fugue), Wednesday, 29 November 2006 11:45 (seventeen years ago) link

Those who remember Winehouse only for hitting the charts at roughly the same time as Katie Melua and Natasha Bedingfield

Yeah, all those top 40 smash hit singles Ms Ron Perlman had before oh wait.

― Dom Passantino (DomPassantino), Wednesday, 29 November 2006 11:46 (seventeen years ago) link

The gluttony theme even extends to rhyming "bitter" with "chips and pitta", a couplet that Lily Allen would kill for.

― acrobat (acrobat), Wednesday, 29 November 2006 11:48 (seventeen years ago) link

If loving Amy Winehouse is wrong, I don't wanna be right.

― Domino Man (Modal Fugue), Wednesday, 29 November 2006 11:48 (seventeen years ago) link

for whom exploring the dark heart of creativity means buying a peasant skirt from River Island

What is the problem that allegedly left-wing newspaper The Guardian has with peasants? In the Guide the week before last there was a feature on "peasant food."

― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Wednesday, 29 November 2006 11:49 (seventeen years ago) link

Those Jews are just likeable people, fact.
-- Dom Passantino (juror...), November 29th, 2006.

xp

― Dom Passantino (DomPassantino), Wednesday, 29 November 2006 11:50 (seventeen years ago) link

xpost

Noun 1. middle class - the social class between the lower and upper classes

― Domino Man (Modal Fugue), Wednesday, 29 November 2006 11:52 (seventeen years ago) link

I am of course more inclined to agree with the writer James Kelman who in his novel A Disaffection refers to the Guardian as "rightwing shite keech and tollie."

― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Wednesday, 29 November 2006 11:53 (seventeen years ago) link

http://www.robot-boy.com/img/kid.jpg
You praised him for being “articulate and capable of independent thought,”

― acrobat (acrobat), Wednesday, 29 November 2006 11:54 (seventeen years ago) link

http://flyleaf.typepad.com/photos/uncategorized/green_belts_02.jpg
You praised him for being “articulate and capable of independent thought

― Dom Passantino (DomPassantino), Wednesday, 29 November 2006 11:55 (seventeen years ago) link

If this was proper ilm, this thread would have 300 posts by now.

― Dom Passantino (DomPassantino), Wednesday, 29 November 2006 12:04 (seventeen years ago) link

nicely unpretentious = tosser writing for tossers.

― Domino Man (Modal Fugue), Wednesday, 29 November 2006 12:06 (seventeen years ago) link

yeh but 100 of them would be lex and enrique arguing whther this thread is mysoginist / racist / homophobic / other and another 75 would centre round the question of who is arthur askey.

― acrobat (acrobat), Wednesday, 29 November 2006 12:46 (seventeen years ago) link

Best music writing this year:

"Put Your hands up for Dirk Kuyt - he loves this city!" (To the tune and rhythm of 'Put Your Hands up for Detroit').
Liverpool fans in Middlesbrough v Liverpool match. (Steven Adams, Northern Ireland).

― Dom Passantino (DomPassantino), Wednesday, 29 November 2006 12:49 (seventeen years ago) link

who is arthur askey

― [electric sound of] esteban buttez (Estie Buttez), Wednesday, 29 November 2006 13:18 (seventeen years ago) link

Go "askey" your mum.

― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Wednesday, 29 November 2006 13:19 (seventeen years ago) link

Put your hands up, put your hands up, put your hands up for Arthur Askey- he loves not having any legs.

― Dom Passantino (DomPassantino), Wednesday, 29 November 2006 13:24 (seventeen years ago) link

This being the same Arthur Askey who on Arena in 1980 commented "I'd put all them Communists and Liberals up against a wall and shoot 'em! I would!"

Truly the best pictures are in the mind.

― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Wednesday, 29 November 2006 13:27 (seventeen years ago) link

yeh there's a lex joke there...

― acrobat (acrobat), Wednesday, 29 November 2006 13:29 (seventeen years ago) link

Go "askey" your mum.

And they call ME a careerist troll.

― [electric sound of] esteban buttez (Estie Buttez), Wednesday, 29 November 2006 13:38 (seventeen years ago) link

Yay, Sophie!

Oh, how it must burn you up, that she has the audacity not just to write for an organ that wouldn't touch you with a barge pole, but also to be a woman!

Frances May Morgan was robbed. Not even a nomination? She could make creme brulee of Conor McWhatsits.

― masonic boom (kate), Wednesday, 29 November 2006 13:42 (seventeen years ago) link

Our Hannah could do that, and she's 4.

That review upthread is fucking awful.

― Domino Man (Modal Fugue), Wednesday, 29 November 2006 13:44 (seventeen years ago) link

Editor of the Year
Caspar Llewellyn-Smith – Observer
Music Monthly
Conor McNicolas - NME
Mark Ellen – The Word
Paul Brannigan – Kerrang!
Paul Rees – Q
Runner-up: Paul Brannigan
Winner: Conor McNicolas
Conor won votes for his vision for
the NME,
together
with his
enthusiasm
and total
commitment
to his cause.
He was also
praised for being fully in tune with
the new media landscape, and
for proving himself highly adept
at finding new ways to reach and
enthuse existing and new NME
readers alike.

EJ Thribb?

― Feargal Hixxy (DJ Mencap), Wednesday, 29 November 2006 13:45 (seventeen years ago) link

I mean seriously, maybe people don't like Sophie Heawood cos she can't write, and her gender has nothing to do with it.

― Domino Man (Modal Fugue), Wednesday, 29 November 2006 13:45 (seventeen years ago) link

k8 otm!

what a very tedious thread. i wonder if dom and paul actually realise the extent to which their jokes aren't funny?

― lexpretend (lexpretend), Wednesday, 29 November 2006 13:45 (seventeen years ago) link

(or Squirrel_Police)

xpost

― Feargal Hixxy (DJ Mencap), Wednesday, 29 November 2006 13:46 (seventeen years ago) link

Going on the noms up there I'm guessing that Plan B wasn't studied wth too much scrutiny as regards the UK's best writers, but I could be wrong

― Feargal Hixxy (DJ Mencap), Wednesday, 29 November 2006 13:47 (seventeen years ago) link

The troll does have a point about Frances May Morgan though.

― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Wednesday, 29 November 2006 13:49 (seventeen years ago) link

Since when has Dom and Paul's jokes been funny?

― [electric sound of] esteban buttez (Estie Buttez), Wednesday, 29 November 2006 13:51 (seventeen years ago) link

Pot, meet kettle. Kettle, this is pot.

― Domino Man (Modal Fugue), Wednesday, 29 November 2006 13:52 (seventeen years ago) link

Oh, how it must burn you up, that she has the audacity not just to write for an organ that wouldn't touch you with a barge pole, but also to be a woman!

http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/0965146227%3ftag=chichestercou-21%26link_code=xm2%26camp=2025%26dev-t=D2MKVTT17WAXGZ

― Dom Passantino (DomPassantino), Wednesday, 29 November 2006 13:52 (seventeen years ago) link

for the record, sophie is clearly a far superior writer to most people on this thread, not that that's hard or anything

― lexpretend (lexpretend), Wednesday, 29 November 2006 13:53 (seventeen years ago) link

Can we see some examples of her not being a dreadful writer with no flair, insight, and a general crushing "It's a career, right?" overview. Shouldn't be too hard, obviously.

― Dom Passantino (DomPassantino), Wednesday, 29 November 2006 13:55 (seventeen years ago) link

Yeah, album reviews that don't mention anything about how the record sounds are grebt.

― Domino Man (Modal Fugue), Wednesday, 29 November 2006 13:55 (seventeen years ago) link

Which record would that be then? Val Doonican Rocks But Gently? (xpost x 2)

― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Wednesday, 29 November 2006 13:55 (seventeen years ago) link

Yeah, album reviews that don't mention anything about how the record sounds are grebt.

this is dom's schtick though innit

― lexpretend (lexpretend), Wednesday, 29 November 2006 13:56 (seventeen years ago) link

Public, mediated talent contests are now the way of weeding out the wannabes and rising to the top. And anybody can win.

Anybody, that is, who looks vulnerably gay, or has steam-ironed Hollyoaks hair, or is big and fat and funny.

― Dom Passantino (DomPassantino), Wednesday, 29 November 2006 13:57 (seventeen years ago) link

this is dom's schtick though innit

Pretty much!

― [electric sound of] esteban buttez (Estie Buttez), Wednesday, 29 November 2006 13:58 (seventeen years ago) link

The acid test of a good music writer is whether they can persuade you to go out and buy the record they're reviewing.

Of the people listed at the top of this thread only Stevie has succeeded with me in that respect.

― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Wednesday, 29 November 2006 13:58 (seventeen years ago) link

Yeah, album reviews that don't mention anything about how the record sounds are grebt.

this is dom's schtick though innit

Pretty much!

You should see my porn reviews, them shit's a damn buyer's guide.

― Dom Passantino (DomPassantino), Wednesday, 29 November 2006 13:59 (seventeen years ago) link

Lex is being articulate and capable of independent thought.

― Domino Man (Modal Fugue), Wednesday, 29 November 2006 14:00 (seventeen years ago) link

Lex deserved the award infinitely more than I Alexis.

― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Wednesday, 29 November 2006 14:00 (seventeen years ago) link

The acid test of a good music writer is whether they can persuade you to go out and buy the record they're reviewing.

no it's not! any number of my non-critic friends could persuade me to buy an album by dropping me a one-line email saying "hey lex this is AWESOME!" whereas any number of awesome writers couldn't persuade me to part with cash for half the things they eulogise (haha, eg stevie and frances most of all).

acid test of a good music writer is to make me think YES you have NAILED what makes the album work. stevie, sophie and pete paphides have all made me think this (i am not too familiar with paphides' work though).

― lexpretend (lexpretend), Wednesday, 29 November 2006 14:02 (seventeen years ago) link

Rab Florence and Ryan McLeod are the only two not shit journalists in Britain these days, and they did a bit on Video Gaiden about how the Pipettes and J-Pop are shit and Prince and Todd Rund-gur-ren are great, so they're my favourite music journalists these days.

They like The View though, so they're capable of indendant thought.

― Dom Passantino (DomPassantino), Wednesday, 29 November 2006 14:02 (seventeen years ago) link

acid test of a good music writer is to make me think YES you have NAILED what makes the album work

Doesn't this mean the acid test of a good writer is agreeing with the preheld notions you already have of the album?

― Dom Passantino (DomPassantino), Wednesday, 29 November 2006 14:04 (seventeen years ago) link

You should see my porn reviews, them shit's a damn buyer's guide.

"Lily Allen's moaning, coddled personality shines through so blindingly on film...God help us, look at her face during the money shot..."

― [electric sound of] esteban buttez (Estie Buttez), Wednesday, 29 November 2006 14:04 (seventeen years ago) link

why i started this thread is cos people like lex, marcello and dom are the one's writing really, really good stuff. that the awards ceremony was music journalism and PR says it all really.

― acrobat (acrobat), Wednesday, 29 November 2006 14:04 (seventeen years ago) link

please understand the english language better dom

― lexpretend (lexpretend), Wednesday, 29 November 2006 14:05 (seventeen years ago) link

Thing is, what happens if you haven't heard the album and therefore have no idea whether they've nailed it or not? The great music writers make you want to consider things which had never been anywhere near your universe.

― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Wednesday, 29 November 2006 14:05 (seventeen years ago) link

Seriously, Estie, when my nerd porn article hits the streets early January it's gonna be the hottest piece of journalism since Woodward and Bernstein back in the 70s.

― Dom Passantino (DomPassantino), Wednesday, 29 November 2006 14:05 (seventeen years ago) link

Lex deserved the award infinitely more than I Alexis.

OTM

― [electric sound of] esteban buttez (Estie Buttez), Wednesday, 29 November 2006 14:06 (seventeen years ago) link

Thing is, what happens if you haven't heard the album and therefore have no idea whether they've nailed it or not? The great music writers make you want to consider things which had never been anywhere near your universe.

Logical extension: most new music writers are only interested in reviewing stuff that's known, because exposing people to something "new" is too hard work.

― Dom Passantino (DomPassantino), Wednesday, 29 November 2006 14:06 (seventeen years ago) link

Seriously, Estie, when my nerd porn article hits the streets early January it's gonna be the hottest piece of journalism since Woodward and Bernstein back in the 70s.

READ ABOUT DOM PASSANTINO HAVING A WANK OVER SUICIDEGIRLS DOT COM

ONLY IN BIZZARE MAGAZINE!!

― [electric sound of] esteban buttez (Estie Buttez), Wednesday, 29 November 2006 14:06 (seventeen years ago) link

I subscribe to godsgirls.com and badassbetties.com Estie, not suicidegirls.com. Those girls are inarticulate and incapable of indendant thought.

― Dom Passantino (DomPassantino), Wednesday, 29 November 2006 14:08 (seventeen years ago) link

lol subscribe

― Domino Man (Modal Fugue), Wednesday, 29 November 2006 14:09 (seventeen years ago) link

So SuicideGirls wasn't chubby enough for your tastes?

― [electric sound of] esteban buttez (Estie Buttez), Wednesday, 29 November 2006 14:10 (seventeen years ago) link

OTM

― Dom Passantino (DomPassantino), Wednesday, 29 November 2006 14:11 (seventeen years ago) link

Thing is, what happens if you haven't heard the album and therefore have no idea whether they've nailed it or not? The great music writers make you want to consider things which had never been anywhere near your universe.

haha i make a point of not actually reading any criticism of anything until after i've heard/seen/read it! because it spoils it for me, it puts ideas & expectations into my head which distract from the thing itself. now that i've finally heard the new joanna newsom i can finally devour all the criticism of it.

i think frances's writing on metal is totally awesome, but i'm sure as hell not going to subject myself to the music.

― lexpretend (lexpretend), Wednesday, 29 November 2006 14:14 (seventeen years ago) link

Basically then you just require colourful confirmation of what you already know. Whereas I like being pleasantly surprised by the unknown.

― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Wednesday, 29 November 2006 14:16 (seventeen years ago) link

i think frances's writing on metal is totally awesome, but i'm sure as hell not going to subject myself to the music.

So by your standards Frances May Morgan is a bad metal writer?

― Dom Passantino (DomPassantino), Wednesday, 29 November 2006 14:18 (seventeen years ago) link

no, by marcello's standards.

Basically then you just require colourful confirmation of what you already know.

no because i enjoy reading alternative angles, different takes on what i think.

― lexpretend (lexpretend), Wednesday, 29 November 2006 14:22 (seventeen years ago) link

i am interested why everyone blew up over sophie heawood. she was mentioned so i googled her and that bit where she used the phrase "least boring" sort of made me laugh. it jus seems such an odd piece of phrasing. i don't get why this means we are envious / mysoginist / jealous. every day of the weeks someone is slagging a petridis or harris and it goes unremarked. ilx posters hating on writing percived to be sub-standard, it's not that out of the ordinary, is it?

― acrobat (acrobat), Wednesday, 29 November 2006 14:23 (seventeen years ago) link

Yeah, but nobody on ILX is expecting any dinner party invitations from Petridis or Harris soon so nobody's gonna defend them.

― Dom Passantino (DomPassantino), Wednesday, 29 November 2006 14:24 (seventeen years ago) link

Yes, no one who has been unwise enough to cross swords with I Alexis can expect his patronage as commissioning editor!

― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Wednesday, 29 November 2006 14:25 (seventeen years ago) link

that heawood piece was from the new statesman. they should run hire robin carmody.

― acrobat (acrobat), Wednesday, 29 November 2006 14:30 (seventeen years ago) link

Hello everyone! Is anyone her saying anything they haven't said 300 times before? I can't actually be bothered to read this thread to find out.

― Matt DC (Matt DC), Wednesday, 29 November 2006 14:31 (seventeen years ago) link

I briefly misread that as "they should run over robin carmody." But yes, he should definitely be on NS (xpost).

No, Matt, there's nothing to see here, move along (I recommend to the 1987 thread which is infinitely more fun)...

― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Wednesday, 29 November 2006 14:32 (seventeen years ago) link

Actually, 'Put Your Hands Up For Dirk Kuyt' made the brief scan worth my while. It's not as good as 'What's That Coming Over The Hill Is It Chimbonda?', but it's nearly there.

― Matt DC (Matt DC), Wednesday, 29 November 2006 14:34 (seventeen years ago) link

i think frances's writing on metal is totally awesome, but i'm sure as hell not going to subject myself to the music.

Why not?

― pfunkboy (Kerr), Wednesday, 29 November 2006 14:34 (seventeen years ago) link

because i don't like metal, oddly enough

― lexpretend (lexpretend), Wednesday, 29 November 2006 14:37 (seventeen years ago) link

You have to be pretty much fucking worthless for all intents and puposes if you listen to metal.

― [electric sound of] esteban buttez (Estie Buttez), Wednesday, 29 November 2006 14:39 (seventeen years ago) link

http://www.radiocafe.co.uk/month/artist/Leo/Large1.jpg

― My Mind is Opener than Yours (Modal Fugue), Wednesday, 29 November 2006 14:40 (seventeen years ago) link

well indeed, i simply can't fathom why anyone would do it, but a lot of people i know do, and they are nice and normal and fabulous, it's all a bit of a mystery. and they seem far more open to pop than your bogstandard indie kids too!

― lexpretend (lexpretend), Wednesday, 29 November 2006 14:41 (seventeen years ago) link

But they have shocking hair!!

― [electric sound of] esteban buttez (Estie Buttez), Wednesday, 29 November 2006 14:42 (seventeen years ago) link

metal boys have shocking hair (too much of it). i don't know many metal girls but frances has GREAT hair.

― lexpretend (lexpretend), Wednesday, 29 November 2006 14:44 (seventeen years ago) link

Can we get back to talking about either Dirk Kuyt or pornography plz?

― Dom Passantino (DomPassantino), Wednesday, 29 November 2006 14:46 (seventeen years ago) link

Not allowed in Blair's Britain.

― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Wednesday, 29 November 2006 14:47 (seventeen years ago) link

I find metal girls hair to be a bit of a mixed bag myself.

― [electric sound of] esteban buttez (Estie Buttez), Wednesday, 29 November 2006 14:47 (seventeen years ago) link

metal girls / goffs are to dom what kids on buses are to you lex. and there we have a way back to suicide girls.

― acrobat (acrobat), Wednesday, 29 November 2006 14:47 (seventeen years ago) link

i have no idea who dirk kuyt is and str8 porn is boooooring.

― lexpretend (lexpretend), Wednesday, 29 November 2006 14:48 (seventeen years ago) link

How about this cut, Dom?

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/c5/Dirk_Kuijt.JPG/255px-Dirk_Kuijt.JPG

― [electric sound of] esteban buttez (Estie Buttez), Wednesday, 29 November 2006 14:49 (seventeen years ago) link

I look forward to seeing you all post on Rolling Metal Thread [sandbox version]

― pfunkboy (Kerr), Wednesday, 29 November 2006 15:30 (seventeen years ago) link

'for whom exploring the dark heart of creativity means buying a peasant skirt from River Island..'

What is the problem that allegedly left-wing newspaper The Guardian has with peasants? In the Guide the week before last there was a feature on "peasant food."

But 'peasant skirt' is a recognised style of skirt, it's not a Guardianism.

for the record, sophie is clearly a far superior writer to most people on this thread, not that that's hard or anything

Lex OTM.

― Robin Wilks (braveclub), Wednesday, 29 November 2006 16:38 (seventeen years ago) link

And that's a relevant point because everyone writing on this thread so far was nominated for music writer of the oh wait.

― Dom Passantino (DomPassantino), Wednesday, 29 November 2006 16:41 (seventeen years ago) link

Heawood is harmless, but ultimately a drone rather than a queen. She will never move anyone to tears or rapture with her words. A work of music could never inspire her to create a work of literature.

― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Wednesday, 29 November 2006 16:42 (seventeen years ago) link

She will never move anyone to tears or rapture with her words. A work of music could never inspire her to create a work of literature.

...and you know this because...?

― braveclub (braveclub), Wednesday, 29 November 2006 16:45 (seventeen years ago) link

I do not believe it to be in her nature.

― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Wednesday, 29 November 2006 16:47 (seventeen years ago) link

Robin, you appear to be trying to have an argument with Marcello about Guardian music journalism. Just thought I'd point this out.

― Matt DC (Matt DC), Wednesday, 29 November 2006 16:47 (seventeen years ago) link

It's a pretty dreary and pointless one as well. Must remember not to feed the blessed trolls.

― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Wednesday, 29 November 2006 16:48 (seventeen years ago) link

PUT YOUR HANDS UP FOR MARCELLO CARLIN- HE LOVES THIS CITY

― Dom Passantino (DomPassantino), Wednesday, 29 November 2006 16:51 (seventeen years ago) link

This Friday: "Journey Through The Weald Of Westlife."

― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Wednesday, 29 November 2006 16:52 (seventeen years ago) link

yeh but 100 of them would be lex and enrique arguing whther this thread is mysoginist / racist / homophobic / other and another 75 would centre round the question of who is arthur askey.

-- acrobat (kowalski9...), November 29th, 2006.

― Feargal Hixxy (DJ Mencap), Wednesday, 29 November 2006 17:01 (seventeen years ago) link

I do not believe it to be in her nature.

you don't know her!!!! this thread just took a turn for the mad

― lexpretend (lexpretend), Wednesday, 29 November 2006 17:01 (seventeen years ago) link

quick note to trolls. i think dom's survey of number ones of the new millenium and any one of marcello's pick of the pops columns can stand eye to eye with pretty much any music crit piece you care to mention.

― acrobat (acrobat), Wednesday, 29 November 2006 17:04 (seventeen years ago) link

Quick note to sycophants: Keep up the good work!

― Matt DC (Matt DC), Wednesday, 29 November 2006 17:06 (seventeen years ago) link

pwned

i = captain save a blogger

― acrobat (acrobat), Wednesday, 29 November 2006 17:07 (seventeen years ago) link

I'm not trolling! I just find the implications of She will never move anyone to tears or rapture with her words. A work of music could never inspire her to create a work of literature. dismissive and unpleasant.

― braveclub (braveclub), Wednesday, 29 November 2006 17:09 (seventeen years ago) link

If you want to "create a work of literature", go and write a novel.

If you want to be a decent music crit, then write clear and evocative reviews that have some relevence to your audience instead of just your own mastubatory fantasies, kthanxbye.

― masonic boom (kate), Wednesday, 29 November 2006 17:15 (seventeen years ago) link

quick note to trolls. i think dom's survey of number ones of the new millenium and any one of marcello's pick of the pops columns can stand eye to eye with pretty much any music crit piece you care to mention.

Marcello's? Possibly. (but you know where I really stand on it.)

Dom's? Fuck no.

― [electric sound of] esteban buttez (Estie Buttez), Wednesday, 29 November 2006 17:16 (seventeen years ago) link

If you want to "create a work of literature", go and write a novel.

Roxor!

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 29 November 2006 17:17 (seventeen years ago) link

SUMMARY:

1. ILX still not quite sold on Petridis

2. People tend to like their friends' writing

3. Liverpool fans still quite adept at coming up with chants

― Michael Annoyman (Michael Annoyman), Wednesday, 29 November 2006 17:44 (seventeen years ago) link

PUT YOUR HANDS UP FOR KATE ST CLAIRE- SHE HATES YOUR MUSIC JOURNALISM

― Dom Passantino (DomPassantino), Wednesday, 29 November 2006 17:50 (seventeen years ago) link

Somebody want to defend that Amy Winehouse review then?

― My Mind is Opener than Yours (Modal Fugue), Wednesday, 29 November 2006 17:55 (seventeen years ago) link

Official Plan B christmas card design:

http://img.yezzz.com/zm3551071.jpeg

― Dom Passantino (DomPassantino), Wednesday, 29 November 2006 17:56 (seventeen years ago) link

It's....not that bad? Seems like one of those things that might've got rendered a bit awkward by the editing process if anything. "Least boring album of the year" does seem a curious phrase to use, and the "daddy" references seem inappropriately contemptuous but there's not, like, blood coming out of mar ears or anything.

― Michael Annoyman (Michael Annoyman), Wednesday, 29 November 2006 17:58 (seventeen years ago) link

Put your hands up for Dom Passantino - he loves Italy!

― jim (jim), Wednesday, 29 November 2006 17:59 (seventeen years ago) link

My last post was in reference to the Winehouse review upthread, and not the image which Dom Passantino alleges is Plan B's Christmas card

― Michael Annoyman (Michael Annoyman), Wednesday, 29 November 2006 18:00 (seventeen years ago) link

http://towleroad.typepad.com/photos/uncategorized/fabio3.jpg

A _real_ award winner.

― Dom Passantino (DomPassantino), Wednesday, 29 November 2006 18:02 (seventeen years ago) link

Those of you playing at home may like to play PLAN B BINGO, wherein you cross off the only people defending Sophie Heawood's writing on this thread with her Myspace top 8:

http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=104778194

― Dom Passantino (DomPassantino), Wednesday, 29 November 2006 18:11 (seventeen years ago) link

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA a little bit more research is required i do believe!!!!

― lexpretend (lexpretend), Wednesday, 29 November 2006 18:12 (seventeen years ago) link

Best thehold.net thread ever.

― Michael Annoyman (Michael Annoyman), Wednesday, 29 November 2006 18:17 (seventeen years ago) link

i don't think neneh cherry has jumped into his quite yet.

― acrobat (acrobat), Wednesday, 29 November 2006 18:20 (seventeen years ago) link

*this

― acrobat (acrobat), Wednesday, 29 November 2006 18:21 (seventeen years ago) link

http://towleroad.typepad.com/photos/uncategorized/fabio3.jpg

AWARD WINNING THREAD

― Dom Passantino (DomPassantino), Wednesday, 29 November 2006 18:23 (seventeen years ago) link

http://es.uefa.com/MultimediaFiles/Photo/competitions/UCL/399848_MEDIUMSQUARE.jpg

Robbed.

― jim (jim), Wednesday, 29 November 2006 18:34 (seventeen years ago) link

2. People tend to like their friends' writing

The state of broadsheet music journalism revealed!

If you want to be a decent music crit, then write clear and evocative reviews that have some relevence to your audience instead of just your own mastubatory fantasies, kthanxbye.

I believe the correct spelling of the word is "relevance."

If you want to be a decent music critic, it helps to be able to spell simple words of English.

However I am a writer about music and not a music critic - there is a world of difference between the two - so, much like the careerist troll who posted that insightful comment, the "argument" doesn't apply to me.

― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Thursday, 30 November 2006 08:23 (seventeen years ago) link

oh yes...oh the irony but that's enough of that glass houses stones dnftt &c.

― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Thursday, 30 November 2006 08:25 (seventeen years ago) link

Man, I've just realised that things got so heated and excited yesterday the Plan B staff didn't have any time to post a non-awful example of Heawood's work! Hopefully this'll be rectified at some point today.

― Dom Passantino (DomPassantino), Thursday, 30 November 2006 08:55 (seventeen years ago) link

What does "relevence (sic) to your audience" actually mean, anyway?

On a basic level I'd say my CoM writing is hugely relevant to my audience since they seem to continue to read it and like what they read.

Obviously this is not on the same par as spending 200 words of a 350-word gig review moaning about how the doorman wouldn't let you into the gig.

― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Thursday, 30 November 2006 09:03 (seventeen years ago) link

If you (as in anyone) want to be a decent ILX poster, then write clear and evocative posts that have some relevence to your audience instead of just your own mastubatory fantasies. Also, dedication is what you need.

All this arguing means the absurdity of Conor M as Editor Of The Year has been glossed over. Probably for the best.

― the sandfox (blueski), Thursday, 30 November 2006 10:40 (seventeen years ago) link

What about spending 200 words of a 350-word album review talking about how bands are only popular on the Internet?

― Matt DC (Matt DC), Thursday, 30 November 2006 10:43 (seventeen years ago) link

Y'see, the kids, they listen to the rap music, which gives them the brain damage, y'see?

― Dom Passantino (DomPassantino), Thursday, 30 November 2006 10:45 (seventeen years ago) link

(I do realise that asking Marcello and ILX's Most Widely Read Music Journalist not to be pompous and self-righteous on Guardian music writing threads is a little like asking dogs not to lick their testicles, but they could at least do better than amusingly innacurate MySpace stalking and calling anyone who disagrees with them a troll. I can only assume they're road-testing material for the Real ILX).

― Matt DC (Matt DC), Thursday, 30 November 2006 10:48 (seventeen years ago) link

http://www.musicobsession.com/Pictures/r/e/realroxanne363656.jpg

― Dom Passantino (DomPassantino), Thursday, 30 November 2006 10:51 (seventeen years ago) link

Sandfox seems to be otm to me.

This award has put petridis, who is a bafflingly terrible wirter, on some kind of pedestal, and conor m, who edits a rotten magazine on another. It seems bizarre to throw out so much invective, when it's obviously just a load of old bollocks.

― Norman Phay (Pashmina), Thursday, 30 November 2006 10:54 (seventeen years ago) link

(I am aware the correct spelling of the word is actually 'inaccurate'. I apologies for the fatal harm this may have caused to my casual mockery and await the inevitable moment of pedantry with interest)

― Matt DC (Matt DC), Thursday, 30 November 2006 10:55 (seventeen years ago) link

Don't make me get DJ Martian on this thread, Matthew.

― Dom Passantino (DomPassantino), Thursday, 30 November 2006 10:56 (seventeen years ago) link

FWIW I think Conor McNicholas is actually a very good editor who happens to be editing completely the wrong magazine.

― Matt DC (Matt DC), Thursday, 30 November 2006 10:56 (seventeen years ago) link

I think Conor M is a rubbish editor, but this is not the first bum-licking industry award he has received. These 'editor of the year' awards are probably mostly based on sales, and he's quite good at boosting those.

― braveclub (braveclub), Thursday, 30 November 2006 10:57 (seventeen years ago) link

Remind me where he was before the NME I forget? Mixmag, iDJ, summat like that?

― Dom Passantino (DomPassantino), Thursday, 30 November 2006 10:58 (seventeen years ago) link

The NME's basically the Newcastle United of music mags though, with that history, that fanbase, and that amount of money flung recklessly at it it should be doing a lot better than lower-mid table.

― Dom Passantino (DomPassantino), Thursday, 30 November 2006 10:58 (seventeen years ago) link

I mean, it's still being outsold by fucking Kerrang.

― Dom Passantino (DomPassantino), Thursday, 30 November 2006 10:59 (seventeen years ago) link

He edited Muzik when it went shit and then folded!

― braveclub (braveclub), Thursday, 30 November 2006 10:59 (seventeen years ago) link

(x-post)
Good editors editing the wrong magazine shouldn't really be eligible for awards, though!

I don't really want to get into it beyond that, really I'm just baffled yet again by the invective over something so empty, trivial and pointless.

― Norman Phay (Pashmina), Thursday, 30 November 2006 10:59 (seventeen years ago) link

If he's boosting sales, he's a good editor. It's a magazine, not a fucking work of literature.

(It always amazes me that people get in such a tizzy about the NME and the Guardian and not, say, The Times or Kerrang, despite both of them being wider read and more influential publications).

― Matt DC (Matt DC), Thursday, 30 November 2006 11:01 (seventeen years ago) link

haha i knew after matt's post there'd be one of either a) nonsensical nonfunny non sequitur or b) nonsensical nonfunny picture which - do you not get this by now dom - no one can see because everyone has images turned off so your efforts are all in vain

― lexpretend (lexpretend), Thursday, 30 November 2006 11:01 (seventeen years ago) link

well sophie's at the times now so maybe the invective will follow her there!

― lexpretend (lexpretend), Thursday, 30 November 2006 11:01 (seventeen years ago) link

EVERYONE EVER.

xp

― Dom Passantino (DomPassantino), Thursday, 30 November 2006 11:01 (seventeen years ago) link

The Real Roxanne looks like Billie Piper.

Conor M is good at editing a magazine for sale, but bad at editing a magazine to read.

The friends of the dissed critics do sound a bit like fans of bands who try and fight back against people slagging off those bands (not that any of us go in for that much of course). But of course you're going to defend people you know and like.

― sede vacante (blueski), Thursday, 30 November 2006 11:01 (seventeen years ago) link

CoM has an audience?

Granted, it's larger than the readership of Bizzare, but...

― [electric sound of] esteban buttez (Estie Buttez), Thursday, 30 November 2006 11:02 (seventeen years ago) link

If he's boosting sales, he's a good editor. It's a magazine, not a fucking work of literature.

What's On TV = 15 times better than the NME?

Actually, wait.

― Dom Passantino (DomPassantino), Thursday, 30 November 2006 11:02 (seventeen years ago) link

Critics who you are friends with: Name your reasons why they are so bad and hated.

― Dom Passantino (DomPassantino), Thursday, 30 November 2006 11:03 (seventeen years ago) link

(It always amazes me that people get in such a tizzy about the NME and the Guardian and not, say, The Times or Kerrang, despite both of them being wider read and more influential publications).

Kerrang? I didn't know the influence of stupid 15-year-old boys was so powerful!

― [electric sound of] esteban buttez (Estie Buttez), Thursday, 30 November 2006 11:04 (seventeen years ago) link

What's On TV is better than the NME.

― Matt DC (Matt DC), Thursday, 30 November 2006 11:04 (seventeen years ago) link

Still, "ILX's Most Widely Read Music Journalist" makes me roffle uncontrollably.

― [electric sound of] esteban buttez (Estie Buttez), Thursday, 30 November 2006 11:05 (seventeen years ago) link

Kerrang has more female readers than male now, the only music magazine in the country this applies to! Maybe featuring more lingering shots of Kate Long Blondes' cleavage in Plan B will help oh wait.

― Dom Passantino (DomPassantino), Thursday, 30 November 2006 11:05 (seventeen years ago) link

(I do realise that asking Marcello and ILX's Most Widely Read Music Journalist not to be pompous and self-righteous on Guardian music writing threads is a little like asking dogs not to lick their testicles, but they could at least do better than amusingly innacurate MySpace stalking and calling anyone who disagrees with them a troll. I can only assume they're road-testing material for the Real ILX).

The first was self-evidently a troll (as evinced by the fact that they have failed to return to this thread after being called out as such) and the second (careerist, as has been exhaustively demonstrated on ILE passim) troll really doesn't need any further publicity or encouragement.

We are having an extended if thoughtful bitching session as per Steve Allen on LBC apropos Kerry Katona. We also happen to be right. Spoil not our screaming queen fun!

― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Thursday, 30 November 2006 11:06 (seventeen years ago) link

Conor M is good at editing a magazine for sale, but bad at editing a magazine to read.

The increasing number of people buying it would appear to disagree with you.

(The greater number of people buying it in the 80s would appear to disagree with me).

(The fact that I have no evidence to back up any of these arguments would appear to be laughing at me).

― Matt DC (Matt DC), Thursday, 30 November 2006 11:07 (seventeen years ago) link

The increasing number of people buying it would appear to disagree with you.

But they're idiots Matt! Don't you seeeee?

― sede vacante (blueski), Thursday, 30 November 2006 11:07 (seventeen years ago) link

I miss the "Put your hands up for x" meme.

― jim (jim), Thursday, 30 November 2006 11:08 (seventeen years ago) link

Conor hans't actually upped sales much if at all at NME though, has he? Hasn't he just stabilised a falling audience and nailed a core demographic loyalty?

― Nick Southall (sickmouthy), Thursday, 30 November 2006 11:09 (seventeen years ago) link

NME's figures are *slightly* down year on year, but above the downfall in the music magazine market in general, so it's kinda push on his ability as an editor to bring sales.

He (or the guys he appoints, at least) are good at pushing a brand though. Taking an award for Club NME, which is basically a focus group except they don't even respect the punters enough to shove the analysts behind a two-way mirror and just have them strolling around openly with clipboards is some genius.

― Dom Passantino (DomPassantino), Thursday, 30 November 2006 11:09 (seventeen years ago) link

PUT YOUR HANDS UP FOR CONOR MACNICHOLS- HE LOVES MARKET RESEARCH

― Dom Passantino (DomPassantino), Thursday, 30 November 2006 11:09 (seventeen years ago) link

This is the meme "ska punk" could have been.

― Dom Passantino (DomPassantino), Thursday, 30 November 2006 11:10 (seventeen years ago) link

If he's boosting sales, he's a good editor. It's a magazine, not a fucking work of literature.

...but some magazines are a better read than others, surely?

The first was self-evidently a troll (as evinced by the fact that they have failed to return to this thread after being called out as such) and the second (careerist, as has been exhaustively demonstrated on ILE passim) troll really doesn't need any further publicity or encouragement.

Which one are you suggesting I am? If anyone is being unpleasant and dismissive on this thread it's sure as hell not me.

― braveclub (braveclub), Thursday, 30 November 2006 11:10 (seventeen years ago) link

Haha Dom I was there when Conor McN was given that award and to be honest, I can't disagree with them. If you're aiming a magazine at 17-year old indie kids, then opening a string of clubs that 17 year olds will think is really cool (because they can drink booze, listen to loud indie music and try and pull indie girls) is the best brand extension in the world. Better than the Bailey's Glide anyway.

Speaking of brand extensions, how far away are we from the MAGNERS LOLLY? I might actually pitch that one myself.

― Matt DC (Matt DC), Thursday, 30 November 2006 11:13 (seventeen years ago) link

I wasn't suggesting you were either, petal, don't get so paranoid! (xpost)

Who reads magazines any more anyway, except us lot so we can have something to moan about?

― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Thursday, 30 November 2006 11:13 (seventeen years ago) link

Oh fucking Magners. Jesus wept. The biggest marketing coup of the century.

― Nick Southall (sickmouthy), Thursday, 30 November 2006 11:14 (seventeen years ago) link

Conor M should be editing a lads mag (ROCK CHICKS IN STILETTOS SPECIAL), not a music mag. It seems better if music mag editors have a stronger level of knowledge and passion about the medium than he presents.

― sede vacante (blueski), Thursday, 30 November 2006 11:14 (seventeen years ago) link

NME is a lads mag - it's part of IPC Ignite, isn't it, which is the "men's lifestyle" arm of IPC.

― Nick Southall (sickmouthy), Thursday, 30 November 2006 11:15 (seventeen years ago) link

Do you actually buy that The Horrors were a totally organic "Band get played at Club NME a few times, crowd goes mad for it, word gets back to Connie Mack, I HAVE SEEN THE FUTURE OF ROCK AND ROLL AND IT SOUNDS LIKE THE CRAMPS ON SEDATIVES", or do the NME pick the bands they want buzz for, virally market them at Club NME, and then pick them up two, three months later when there's interest? Like Arsenal sending players on loan to Belgium so they can get EU work permits.

― Dom Passantino (DomPassantino), Thursday, 30 November 2006 11:15 (seventeen years ago) link

But...women can be COOL and wear STILLETOS!

― [electric sound of] esteban buttez (Estie Buttez), Thursday, 30 November 2006 11:16 (seventeen years ago) link

(Just as long as they don't get in the way of Muse!)

― [electric sound of] esteban buttez (Estie Buttez), Thursday, 30 November 2006 11:17 (seventeen years ago) link

Kerrang is a lot more openly "lifestyle" than the NME, yet it feels like more of a music mag. Why? Because rock lifestyle boundaries are more clearly defined than indie ones?

― Dom Passantino (DomPassantino), Thursday, 30 November 2006 11:17 (seventeen years ago) link

PUT YOUR HANDS UP FOR MATT BELLAMY- HE LOVES PATRIARCHY

― Dom Passantino (DomPassantino), Thursday, 30 November 2006 11:17 (seventeen years ago) link

I've never read Kerrang.

― Nick Southall (sickmouthy), Thursday, 30 November 2006 11:17 (seventeen years ago) link

If you're aiming a magazine at 17-year old indie kids, then opening a string of clubs that 17 year olds will think is really cool (because they can drink booze, listen to loud indie music and try and pull indie girls) is the best brand extension in the world.

Good marketing nous no doubt but I think the point is that his predecessors were more concerned with the quality of writing and range of ideas in the magazine they were editing rather than 'extending the brand' (granted this is a generalised 'rose tinted' view for argument's sake). Which makes them better editors, depending on how you're looking at it.

― sede vacante (blueski), Thursday, 30 November 2006 11:18 (seventeen years ago) link

But then again I barely ever read any music journalism. I don't actually like music journalism much. I just do some.

― Nick Southall (sickmouthy), Thursday, 30 November 2006 11:18 (seventeen years ago) link

Can someone explain why Her Out Of The Gossip is number one in NME's Cool List and yet Muse went on the cover of that issue, or is the answer self-evident?

― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Thursday, 30 November 2006 11:19 (seventeen years ago) link

I don't actually like music journalism much. I just do some.

qft. If I respected any music writing I've ever read, I wouldn't think "Fuck me I can do better than that".

― Dom Passantino (DomPassantino), Thursday, 30 November 2006 11:20 (seventeen years ago) link

PUT YOUR HANDS UP FOR BETH DITTO- SHE LOVES BEING A GET-OUT CLAUSE

― Dom Passantino (DomPassantino), Thursday, 30 November 2006 11:20 (seventeen years ago) link

Can someone explain why Her Out Of The Gossip is number one in NME's Cool List and yet Muse went on the cover of that issue, or is the answer self-evident?

Lily Allen solved this mystery days ago.m

― sede vacante (blueski), Thursday, 30 November 2006 11:22 (seventeen years ago) link

Can someone explain why Her Out Of The Gossip is number one in NME's Cool List and yet Muse went on the cover of that issue, or is the answer self-evident?

"I got a great idea! Let's put that obese dyke on top of the list so nobody can doubt our coolness! I mean, she's fat AND a lesbian!"

"But...won't we have to put her on the cover?"

"Nah, I'm sure we can make up a piece of Muse..."

― [electric sound of] esteban buttez (Estie Buttez), Thursday, 30 November 2006 11:22 (seventeen years ago) link

Who reads magazines any more anyway, except us lot

i don't read magazines! i only read my own stuff really

― lexpretend (lexpretend), Thursday, 30 November 2006 11:23 (seventeen years ago) link

ha ha

― sede vacante (blueski), Thursday, 30 November 2006 11:23 (seventeen years ago) link

lily allen knock knock who's there that's showbiz etc.

Anyway, about road-testing material for the Real ILX; who said anything about going back there? We like it here!

― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Thursday, 30 November 2006 11:24 (seventeen years ago) link

Original NME cover with The Gossip on:

http://www.ozonemag.com/aug2004/600/A-pg03.jpg

Beth Ditto, centre.

― Dom Passantino (DomPassantino), Thursday, 30 November 2006 11:25 (seventeen years ago) link

I bloody don't. (xpost)

― sede vacante (blueski), Thursday, 30 November 2006 11:25 (seventeen years ago) link

You'd think it would have been easier for them to slap Lily Allen on top of the COOL LIST and put her on the cover.

But I guess that manipulating the results of such an important and influental list would have been wrong and just plain condescending.

― [electric sound of] esteban buttez (Estie Buttez), Thursday, 30 November 2006 11:25 (seventeen years ago) link

Would a picture of The Pixies been funnier than Terror Squad? Help me out here.

― Dom Passantino (DomPassantino), Thursday, 30 November 2006 11:26 (seventeen years ago) link

lol at as soon as lily allen posted her "they wouldn't make a fuss about a MAN taking drugs" nme pr rushing out some dull as shit story about noel gallagher's teeth falling out due to excess coke use to Ben "Louis Jagger" Knowles' new manor.

― Dom Passantino (DomPassantino), Thursday, 30 November 2006 11:27 (seventeen years ago) link

Ultrasound >> Pixies >> Terror Squad >> Michelle McManaus >> Shirley Crabtree.

― Nick Southall (sickmouthy), Thursday, 30 November 2006 11:27 (seventeen years ago) link

Are you sure they were talking about coke and not Coke, there?

― [electric sound of] esteban buttez (Estie Buttez), Thursday, 30 November 2006 11:28 (seventeen years ago) link

Whatever did happen to Tiny Out Of Ultrasound?

― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Thursday, 30 November 2006 11:29 (seventeen years ago) link

Would a picture of The Pixies been funnier than Terror Squad? Help me out here.

Either way, my sides are aching. Keep up the good work!

― braveclub (braveclub), Thursday, 30 November 2006 11:29 (seventeen years ago) link

Keep up the good work!

Round these parts we say "kudos", son.

― Dom Passantino (DomPassantino), Thursday, 30 November 2006 11:30 (seventeen years ago) link

fukudos

― sede vacante (blueski), Thursday, 30 November 2006 11:31 (seventeen years ago) link

Ultrasound >> Pixies >> Terror Squad >> Michelle McManaus >> Shirley Crabtree.

http://lnx.musicaroma.com/files/gossip3.gif

"Easy, easy, easy!"

― Dom Passantino (DomPassantino), Thursday, 30 November 2006 11:31 (seventeen years ago) link

Gee, thanks Dominic.

― Nick Southall (sickmouthy), Thursday, 30 November 2006 11:32 (seventeen years ago) link

I've hit worse.

― Dom Passantino (DomPassantino), Thursday, 30 November 2006 11:32 (seventeen years ago) link

I thought that WAS you?

― Nick Southall (sickmouthy), Thursday, 30 November 2006 11:33 (seventeen years ago) link

No, I shave my pits.

― Dom Passantino (DomPassantino), Thursday, 30 November 2006 11:34 (seventeen years ago) link

hahahaha

― Michael Annoyman (Michael Annoyman), Thursday, 30 November 2006 11:34 (seventeen years ago) link

Nice to see Dom's sister doing well for herself.

― [electric sound of] esteban buttez (Estie Buttez), Thursday, 30 November 2006 11:34 (seventeen years ago) link

Beth Ditto proudly displays her NME Cool trophy:

http://www.pages.drexel.edu/~as66/yokozuna.jpg

― Dom Passantino (DomPassantino), Thursday, 30 November 2006 11:35 (seventeen years ago) link

:( at John "Earthquake" Tenta dying without ever finding out he had a daughter who'd made it as a rocker...

― Dom Passantino (DomPassantino), Thursday, 30 November 2006 11:35 (seventeen years ago) link

I'm like Jimmy Carr in this bitch. I got jokes dog.

― Dom Passantino (DomPassantino), Thursday, 30 November 2006 11:36 (seventeen years ago) link

LEX LUGER LILY ALLEN HAS THIS TO SAY ABOUT THE NME COOL LIST

― [electric sound of] esteban buttez (Estie Buttez), Thursday, 30 November 2006 11:36 (seventeen years ago) link

imminent_thread_shark_jump_alert.jpeg

― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Thursday, 30 November 2006 11:36 (seventeen years ago) link

Beth Ditto on internet haters: "Break his back. Fuck his ass. Make him humble"

― Dom Passantino (DomPassantino), Thursday, 30 November 2006 11:37 (seventeen years ago) link

Can we get race onto this thread somehow?

― Dom Passantino (DomPassantino), Thursday, 30 November 2006 11:37 (seventeen years ago) link

Come to think of it, Lily Allen & Beth Ditto could be the Owen Hart & Yokozuna tag team of the late-00s!

― [electric sound of] esteban buttez (Estie Buttez), Thursday, 30 November 2006 11:37 (seventeen years ago) link

So...the music writer awards list is kinda white huh?

― sede vacante (blueski), Thursday, 30 November 2006 11:38 (seventeen years ago) link

Oooh, good angle!

― [electric sound of] esteban buttez (Estie Buttez), Thursday, 30 November 2006 11:38 (seventeen years ago) link

Keep up the good work stevem!

― Dom Passantino (DomPassantino), Thursday, 30 November 2006 11:39 (seventeen years ago) link

So, who voted in these awards then? Number of total votes cast?

― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Thursday, 30 November 2006 11:39 (seventeen years ago) link

Would a picture of The Pixies been funnier than Terror Squad? Help me out here.

Okay I have an AMAZINGLY CHEAP SHOT to make here but that would be possibly the meanest thing I've ever done so I will refrain.

― Matt DC (Matt DC), Thursday, 30 November 2006 11:41 (seventeen years ago) link

phil sent about 2000 txt votes himself

― sede vacante (blueski), Thursday, 30 November 2006 11:41 (seventeen years ago) link

What a crass name.

― [electric sound of] esteban buttez (Estie Buttez), Thursday, 30 November 2006 11:42 (seventeen years ago) link

Okay I have an AMAZINGLY CHEAP SHOT to make here but that would be possibly the meanest thing I've ever done so I will refrain.

i had 'ILX's Most Wide Music Journalist' ready but i don't really go in for the 'lol fatteys' thing generally.

― sede vacante (blueski), Thursday, 30 November 2006 11:42 (seventeen years ago) link

No, if you'd have posted that as a joke then we could have done some kinda "Why is it OK for blackfat comedians to say the n-wordgo in for that "lol fatteys" thing", and we could have got it onto race like that! It's like you don't want this thread to turn into a bigger clusterfuck than it already is.

― Dom Passantino (DomPassantino), Thursday, 30 November 2006 11:43 (seventeen years ago) link

LOCK THREAD

― braveclub (braveclub), Thursday, 30 November 2006 11:44 (seventeen years ago) link

I'm doing the best I can under very difficult circumstances.

― sede vacante (blueski), Thursday, 30 November 2006 11:44 (seventeen years ago) link

If anyone criticises your zinging it's because they're just jealous that they could never zing as well as you. FACT.

― Dom Passantino (DomPassantino), Thursday, 30 November 2006 11:45 (seventeen years ago) link

Would a picture of The Pixies been funnier than Terror Squad? Help me out here.

not as funny as this:

http://static.flickr.com/102/291423781_e0de74eaf4.jpg

― lexpretend (lexpretend), Thursday, 30 November 2006 11:45 (seventeen years ago) link

I feel a little sick.

― Nick Southall (sickmouthy), Thursday, 30 November 2006 11:46 (seventeen years ago) link

Hello and welcome to five posts ago.

― Dom Passantino (DomPassantino), Thursday, 30 November 2006 11:47 (seventeen years ago) link

for too long British music zingers have been criticised for either not being as good as their American counterparts or for trying to sound too much like them instead of developing their own identity.

― sede vacante (blueski), Thursday, 30 November 2006 11:47 (seventeen years ago) link

One of the good things about being a CARRERIST TROLL (©, Marcello Carlin) is that you can insult anyone in anyway possible and not have your reputation ruined because well...you don't have one.

― [electric sound of] esteban buttez (Estie Buttez), Thursday, 30 November 2006 11:47 (seventeen years ago) link

Also, do Bizzare pay their writers in porn and lard?

― [electric sound of] esteban buttez (Estie Buttez), Thursday, 30 November 2006 11:48 (seventeen years ago) link

When I interned there i got to take home a bunch of Russ Meyer stuff.

― Dom Passantino (DomPassantino), Thursday, 30 November 2006 11:48 (seventeen years ago) link

That shit sucks, give me M. Hardcore over that any day.

― Dom Passantino (DomPassantino), Thursday, 30 November 2006 11:48 (seventeen years ago) link

ihttp://img.photobucket.com/albums/v236/njsouthall/IMG_6177.jpg

I'm a media wanker with an Apple.

― Nick Southall (sickmouthy), Thursday, 30 November 2006 11:48 (seventeen years ago) link

Carrerist Troll, indeed.

There goes MY reputation.

― [electric sound of] esteban buttez (Estie Buttez), Thursday, 30 November 2006 11:49 (seventeen years ago) link

Stylus writer current haircut synergy.

― Dom Passantino (DomPassantino), Thursday, 30 November 2006 11:49 (seventeen years ago) link

RIP ESTEBAN BUTTEZ YOU WERE MY FAVOURITE CAREERIST TROLL

― Dom Passantino (DomPassantino), Thursday, 30 November 2006 11:49 (seventeen years ago) link

I did the Apple jokes with Pitchfork aaaaaaages ago.

― [electric sound of] esteban buttez (Estie Buttez), Thursday, 30 November 2006 11:49 (seventeen years ago) link

Alexis Petridis – The Guardian
Andy Gill – The Independent
Kitty Empire – The Observer
Pete Paphides – The Times
Simon Price – Independent on
Alexis Petridis
Dan Cairns
Pete Paphides
Sophie Heawood
Stevie Chick
Caspar Llewellyn-Smith – Observer
Music Monthly
Conor McNicolas - NME
Mark Ellen – The Word
Paul Brannigan – Kerrang!
Paul Rees – Q


How many of these people have a Zune?

― Dom Passantino (DomPassantino), Thursday, 30 November 2006 11:51 (seventeen years ago) link

Let the record stand that the eximious Mr Buttez is not in fact the careerist troll to whom I was hitherto referring with regard to this thread.

― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Thursday, 30 November 2006 11:51 (seventeen years ago) link

They'll always be that little step ahead. x-post.

― Nick Southall (sickmouthy), Thursday, 30 November 2006 11:51 (seventeen years ago) link

http://homepage.mac.com/savagebean/iMovieTheater11.html

― Nick Southall (sickmouthy), Thursday, 30 November 2006 11:52 (seventeen years ago) link

what is Kitty Empire's real name?

― sede vacante (blueski), Thursday, 30 November 2006 11:52 (seventeen years ago) link

Oh, currently I'm meant to be writing this international poker round up. Does anyone have any fun facts about gambling in Scandanavia? Thx.

― Dom Passantino (DomPassantino), Thursday, 30 November 2006 11:52 (seventeen years ago) link

what is Kitty Empire's real name?

Kitty Empire-Watts

― Dom Passantino (DomPassantino), Thursday, 30 November 2006 11:53 (seventeen years ago) link

Do you have any Australian poker stuff? 'Cause I played with some my fatteh friends just the other week.

― [electric sound of] esteban buttez (Estie Buttez), Thursday, 30 November 2006 11:54 (seventeen years ago) link

My brother's mate Neil went out with Kitty Empire years ago. He was on Real World London. He had the end of his tongue bitten off and became an internet millionaire or something. I think she gave him a pig's heart in barbed wire for valentines during TRWL cos he was flirting with some preppy Yank girl.

― Nick Southall (sickmouthy), Thursday, 30 November 2006 11:54 (seventeen years ago) link

Nah, it's just focussing on UK/Ireland, Western Europe, and Scandanavia. I'm gonna be profiling Bengt Sonnert!!!!

― Dom Passantino (DomPassantino), Thursday, 30 November 2006 11:55 (seventeen years ago) link

Not just living the dream but bedding it, wedding it, and shedding it via Atkins.

― Nick Southall (sickmouthy), Thursday, 30 November 2006 11:55 (seventeen years ago) link

Bengt Sonnert!!!!!!!

― Dom Passantino (DomPassantino), Thursday, 30 November 2006 11:56 (seventeen years ago) link

That's not an international poker round-up and in fact, it sounds a little racialist!

― [electric sound of] esteban buttez (Estie Buttez), Thursday, 30 November 2006 11:56 (seventeen years ago) link

Her real name is Norma Evans.

― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Thursday, 30 November 2006 11:56 (seventeen years ago) link

BENGT SONNERT

http://pokerblog.paradisepoker.com/media/68/20060511-mike44.jpg

― Dom Passantino (DomPassantino), Thursday, 30 November 2006 11:57 (seventeen years ago) link

How do you even say that out loud? Beng-et? Bent? Bungert?

― Nick Southall (sickmouthy), Thursday, 30 November 2006 11:57 (seventeen years ago) link

He looks a lot more like an Exeter Uni film student than I would have guessed.

― Nick Southall (sickmouthy), Thursday, 30 November 2006 11:57 (seventeen years ago) link

It's like Momus and Nick Cave had a kid

― Michael Annoyman (Michael Annoyman), Thursday, 30 November 2006 11:58 (seventeen years ago) link

Do you think Momus could hack it as a poker pro?

― Dom Passantino (DomPassantino), Thursday, 30 November 2006 11:59 (seventeen years ago) link

Oh good call.

― Nick Southall (sickmouthy), Thursday, 30 November 2006 11:59 (seventeen years ago) link

KEEP YOUR HANDS ON THE TABLE, SQUINTY.

― Nick Southall (sickmouthy), Thursday, 30 November 2006 11:59 (seventeen years ago) link

i see more comedy is lined up in the NME next week, it's the NME Albums of the Year issue

― DJ Martian (djmartian), Thursday, 30 November 2006 12:27 (seventeen years ago) link

They're gonna throw an "OMG SWERVE" and not give it to the AMs, right?

― Dom Passantino (DomPassantino), Thursday, 30 November 2006 12:28 (seventeen years ago) link

If only.

― [electric sound of] esteban buttez (Estie Buttez), Thursday, 30 November 2006 12:29 (seventeen years ago) link

Down under, I have to resort to whatever awards Triple J is giving out tomorrow and making "lol wolfmother/jet lol" cracks.

― [electric sound of] esteban buttez (Estie Buttez), Thursday, 30 November 2006 12:30 (seventeen years ago) link

The real "Hmmm" for the NME year ends is whether they give single of the year to "Monster" or "We Are Your Friends"

― Dom Passantino (DomPassantino), Thursday, 30 November 2006 12:31 (seventeen years ago) link

(No wai, looks like the HILLTOP HOODS are winning the JJJ award.)

― [electric sound of] esteban buttez (Estie Buttez), Thursday, 30 November 2006 12:32 (seventeen years ago) link

And we're back onto race.

― Dom Passantino (DomPassantino), Thursday, 30 November 2006 12:33 (seventeen years ago) link

last year:
http://rateyourmusic.com/list/John_K/nme_albums_of_the_year_2005/

this year if they are doing 50 again, how many of these will be selected

stefan's stat's
http://pub37.bravenet.com/forum/3172289350/show/664498
THIS LIST IS A MONTHLY UPDATED FEATURE, THAT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH HENRIK´S LIST. IT IS CALCULATED
FROM THE SCORES AT ´METACRITIC´,´RATE YOUR MUSIC´,
´FASTNBULBOUS´,´MUSIK EXPRESS´,´SPEX´,´MUSIC BOX´,
´ROBERT CHRISTGAU´,´DUSTED´,´COKEMACHINEGLOW´AND
´SHAKINGTHROUGH´.
THIS IS THE LAST PRELIMINARY LIST FOR THIS YEAR.
NEXT MONTH WILL START THE COUNTDOWN TO THE DEFINITE
BEST 0F 2006 CHART, CALCULATED ON THE BASE OF THE END
OF YEAR CHARTS.

1 ( 1) TV ON THE RADIO ´RETURN TO COOKIE MOUNTAIN´
2 ( 5) JOHNNY CASH ´AMERICAN V - A HUNDRED HIGHWAYS´
3 ( 4) GHOSTFACE KILLAH ´FISHSCALE´
4 ( 2) YEAH YEAH YEAHS ´SHOW YOUR BONES´
5 ( 3) ARCTIC MONKEYS ´WHATEVER PEOPLE SAY...´

6 ( 6) SONIC YOUTH ´RATHER RIPPED´
7 (13) YO LA TENGO ´I AM NOT AFRAID OF...´
8 ( 7) BOB DYLAN ´MODERN TIMES´
9 ( 8) GNARLS BARKLEY ´ST.ELSEWHERE´
10 (95) BEIRUT ´GULAG ORKESTAR´

11 (12) NEKO CASE ´FOX CONFESSOR BRINGS THE FLOOD´
12 ( 9) CAT POWER ´THE GREATEST´
13 (11) FLAMING LIPS ´AT WAR WITH THE MYTICS´
14 (12) THOM YORKE ´THE ERASER´
15 (--) JOANNA NEWSOM ´YS´

16 (42) BONNIE´PRINCE´BILLY ´THE LETTING GO´
17 (23) JUNIOR BOYS ´SO THIS IS GOODBYE´
18 (15) SCOTT WALKER ´THE GIFT´
19 (18) ESPERS ´ESPERS II´
20 (21) HERBERT ´SCALE´

21 (24) NEIL YOUNG ´LIVING WITH WAR´
21 (19) BELLE & SEBASTIAN ´THE LIFE PURSUIT´
23 (20) MOGWAI ´MR.BEAST´
24 (22) GUILLEMOTS ´THROUGH THE WINDOWPANE´
25 (47) GRIZZLY BEAR ´YELLOW HOUDE´

26 (17) JENNY LEWIS & WATSON TWINS ´RABBIT FUR COAT´
27 (16) RACONTEURS ´BROKEN BOY SOLDIER´
28 (26) ROOTS ´GAME THEORY´
29 (29) MISSION OF BURMA ´THE OBLITERATI´
30 (25) COMETS ON FIRE ´AVATAR´

31 (14) HOWE GELB ´SNO ANGEL LIKE YOU´
32 (37) MASTODON ´BLOOD MOUNTAIN´
33 (32) COSTELLO/TOUSSAINT ´THE RIVER IN REVERSE´
34 (27) GRAHAM COXON ´LOVE TRAVELS AT ILLEGAL SPEED´
35 (28) BUILD TO SPILL ´YOU IN REVERSE´

36 (30) RED HOT CHILI PEPPERS ´STADIUM ARCADIUM´
37 (31) MUSE ´BLACK HOLES & REVELATIONS´
38 (--) MY MORNING JACKET ´OKONOKOS´
39 (34) EELS ´WITH STRINGS LIVE AT TOWN HALL´
40 (35) MORRISSEY ´RINGLEADER OF THE TORMENTORS´

41 (33) TWILIGHT SINGERS ´POWDER BURNS´
42 (41) BRUCE SPRINGSTEEN ´WE SHALL OVERCOME´
43 (39) J.DILLA AKA JAY DEE ´DONUTS´
44 (--) JARVIS COCKER ´JARVIS´
45 (43) ISLANDS ´RETURN TO THE SEA´

46 (36) HOT CHIP ´THE WARNING´
47 (46) JOSH RITTER ´THE ANIMAL YEARS´
48 (45) LILY ALLEN ´ALRIGHT, STILL´
48 (49) LAMBCHOP ´DAMAGED´
50 (44) DRESDEN DOLLS ´YES VIRGINIA´

51 (52) M.WARD ´POST-WAR´
52 (58) DESTROYER ´DESTROYER´S RUBIES´
53 (69) KRIS KRISTOFFERSON ´THIS OLD ROAD´
54 (51) SPARKS ´HELLO YOUNG LOVER´
55 (RE) HOLD STEADY ´BOYS AND GIRLS IN AMERICA´

56 (53) SUFJAN STEVENS ´AVALANCHE´
57 (40) CALEXICO ´GARDEN RUIN´
58 (72) SCISSOR SISTERS ´TA DAH´
59 (73) DECEMBERISTS ´THE CRANE´
60 (49) PAUL SIMON ´SURPRISE´

61 (57) LIARS ´DRUM´S NOT DEAD´
62 (61) CAMERA OBSCURA ´LET´S GET OUT OF THIS COUNTY´
63 (54) SLEEPY JACKSON ´PERSONALITY´
64 (84) MIDLAKE ´THE TRIALS OF VAN OCCUPANTHER´
65 (55) PIPETTES ´WE ARE THE PIPETTES´

66 (48) DIRTY PRETTY THING S´WATERLOO TO ANYWHERE´
67 (84) SPARKLEHORSE ´DREAMT FOR LIGHT YEARS´
68 (63) IRON MAIDEN ´A MATTER OF LIFE AND DEATH´
69 (--) SUBTLE ´FOR HERO : FOR FOOL´
70 (56) ROSANNE CASH ´BLACK CADILLAC´

71 (58) KNIFE ´SILENT SHOUT´
72 (91) JUANA MOLINA ´SON´
73 (60) GRANDADDY ´JUST LIKE THE FMABLY CAT´
74 (67) TOM PETTY ´HIGHWAY COMPANION´
75 (38) APHEX TWIN/AFX ´CHOSEN LORDS´

76 (75) PET SHOP BOYS ´FUNDAMENTAL´
76 (--) LONG BLONDES ´SOMEONE TO DRIVE YOU HOME´
78 (62) SECRET MACHINES ´TEN SILVER DROPS´
79 (98) REGINA SPEKTOR ´BEGIN TO HOPE´
80 (66) STREETS ´HARDEST WAY TO MEKE AN EASY LIFE´

81 (82) PEARL JAM ´PEARL JAM´
82 (65) PHOENIX ´IT´S NEVER BEEN LIKE THAT´
83 (--) DEARS ´GANG OF LOVERS´
84 (68) COUP ´PICK A BIGGER WEAPON´
85 (71) SLAYER ´CHRIST ILLUSION´

86 (--) BECK ´THE INFROMATION´
87 (64) MATMOS ´THE ROSE HAS TEETH IN THE MOUTH´
88 (78) RON SEXSMITH ´TIME BEING´
89 (97) ALI FARKA TOURE ´SAVANE´
90 (79) THERMALS ´THE BODY, THE BLOOD, THE MACHINE´

91 (RE) SCRITTI POLITTI ´WHITE BREAD BLACK BEER´
92 (70) TWO GALLANTS ´WHAT THE TOLL TELLS´
93 (74) DONALD FAGEN ´MORPH THE CAT´
94 (77) DIVINE COMEDY ´VICTORY FOR THE COMIC MUSE´
95 (86) KELLEY STOLTZ ´BELOW THE BRANCHES´

96 (--) MY CHEMICAL ROMANCE ´THE BLACK PARADE´
97 (87) CANDI STATON ´HIS HANDS´
98 (RE) MOUNTAIN GOATS ´GET LONELY´
99 (--) BERT JANSCH ´THE BLACK SWAN´
100 (--) PEACHES ´IMPEACHMY BUSH´

101 (--) CALIFONE ´ROOTS & CROWNS´
102 (88) MARS VOLTA ´AMPUTECHTURE´
103 (91) BETH ORTON ´COMFORT OF STRANGERS´
104 (79) CAMPBELL/LANEGAN ´BALLAD OF THE BROKEN SEAS´
105 (76) SHACK ´THE CORNER OF MILES AND GIL´

106 (--) AND YOU WILL KNOW... ´SO DIVIDED´
107 (93) ONEIDA ´HAPPY NEW YEAR´
108 (94) BE YOUR OWN PET ´BE YOUR OWN PET´
109 (--) LUPE FIASCO ´FOOD & LIQUOR´
110 (--) ASOBI SEKSU ´CITRUS´

― DJ Martian (djmartian), Thursday, 30 November 2006 12:34 (seventeen years ago) link

Whatever did happen to Tiny Out Of Ultrasound?

-- Marcello Carlin (marcellocarlin@ho

Formed ultrasound mk 2 w/a shredder guitarist, played one gig w/this lineup, which sucked harder than a million vaxes and split immediately thereafter, briefly rejoined his old band, sl33py p30pl3 and did guest vox on their last album which I've never even seen a copy of (I might actually be playing on one track on it, I have no idea) last I saw was an ad about 5 yrs ago in a n e england music website where he was trying to put together a progressive rock band. Since which time I neither know nor care, tbh.

― Norman Phay (Pashmina), Thursday, 30 November 2006 12:34 (seventeen years ago) link

I'd be cool with them if they came from the Western Suburbs. But Blackwood? There's never been a black person that has stepped into Blackwood since they killed all the aboriginals!

― [electric sound of] esteban buttez (Estie Buttez), Thursday, 30 November 2006 12:36 (seventeen years ago) link

also announced:

Rough Trade Shops favourite albums of 2006 - Based on sales and staff votes
http://www.roughtrade.com/site/chart_detail.lasso?chart_id=2006

― DJ Martian (djmartian), Thursday, 30 November 2006 12:36 (seventeen years ago) link

(That was the Hilltop Hoods I was talking about.)

I know this blonde cutie that lives in Blackwood through ;-)

― [electric sound of] esteban buttez (Estie Buttez), Thursday, 30 November 2006 12:37 (seventeen years ago) link

I don't know what's worse about that Rogue Trade list. ""Right about now. The punk soul sister. Check it out now." or Poor Miss Lily Allen at No. 4

― [electric sound of] esteban buttez (Estie Buttez), Thursday, 30 November 2006 12:38 (seventeen years ago) link

Tiny's Myspace: http://www.myspace.com/tinysiren

Apparently he's in a band called Siren now (hence the name), but there's no mp3s on their myspace and their name is near ungooglable.

― Dom Passantino (DomPassantino), Thursday, 30 November 2006 12:39 (seventeen years ago) link

loflz @ yet another black text on black background myspace page fuckup.

he is actually, as far as I remember, a nice guy.

― Norman Phay (Pashmina), Thursday, 30 November 2006 12:41 (seventeen years ago) link

What is this new Scott Walker album entitled THE GIFT? Two in one year? That's some work rate!

― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Thursday, 30 November 2006 12:45 (seventeen years ago) link

well spotted, marcello, by the way when does your end of year countdown on Church of Me start?

― DJ Martian (djmartian), Thursday, 30 November 2006 12:48 (seventeen years ago) link

wrongest thing in the Rough Trade list = Pipettes so high/Knife so low

― sede vacante (blueski), Thursday, 30 November 2006 12:49 (seventeen years ago) link

Sometime next week, depending on how much I can get written up this weekend. Likely to be in batches of ten again though I'm only doing new releases this year.

― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Thursday, 30 November 2006 12:51 (seventeen years ago) link

(DJM xpost)

― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Thursday, 30 November 2006 12:51 (seventeen years ago) link

wrongest thing in the Rough Trade list = Pipettes so high/Knife so low

The Knife won't possibly might perhaps maybe potentially invite you around to their house to discuss INDIE MUSIC and flash a bit of thigh at you if you buy their album, tho.

― Dom Passantino (DomPassantino), Thursday, 30 November 2006 12:53 (seventeen years ago) link

I've gone off the Pipettes in all respects after that thing on Channel 4 last weekend.

― sede vacante (blueski), Thursday, 30 November 2006 12:59 (seventeen years ago) link

I liked them on the Mark Radcliffe Show.

I didn't really like their album.

I didn't see the Channel 4 programme. What was it like?

― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Thursday, 30 November 2006 13:09 (seventeen years ago) link

just another one of those deeply uninsightful 'here are the Pipettes backstage about to go on / here are the Pipettes in the studio doing some vocals / here are the Pipettes actually on stage performing / here are the Pipettes saying some stuff about what they do then laughing sweetly' things Channel 4 love to do. nothing that terrible really tho.

― sede vacante (blueski), Thursday, 30 November 2006 13:20 (seventeen years ago) link

yeh but 100 of them would be lex and enrique arguing whther this thread is mysoginist / racist / homophobic / other and another 75 would centre round the question of who is arthur askey.
-- acrobat (kowalski9...), November 29th, 2006.

sir!

lex is snippy cos he knows sophie heawood i guess?

but this is temp-ilx dude, you can admit she's shit here.

― Proxy Fule (Proxy Fule), Friday, 1 December 2006 12:11 (seventeen years ago) link

BENGT SONNERT

― Dom Passantino (DomPassantino), Friday, 1 December 2006 12:14 (seventeen years ago) link

SONNERT BY WITE KID IN AOL BENGT

― Dom Passantino (DomPassantino), Friday, 1 December 2006 12:14 (seventeen years ago) link

There is something fairly queasy and faintly misogynistic about the Heawood focus here.

There are other more deserving targets on that list, e.g. Peter "I Always Give Five Stars To My Mates" Paphides.

― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Friday, 1 December 2006 12:16 (seventeen years ago) link

why to hate greek people?

― Proxy Fule (Proxy Fule), Friday, 1 December 2006 12:26 (seventeen years ago) link

Crikey matey peeps.

― Dom Passantino (DomPassantino), Friday, 1 December 2006 12:29 (seventeen years ago) link

There is something fairly queasy and faintly misogynistic about the Heawood focus here.

dom in being fairly queasy and faintly misogynistic SHOCKAH

― lexpretend (lexpretend), Friday, 1 December 2006 12:30 (seventeen years ago) link

"They claim to love Prince, but they are patently not Prince - this seems to be the joke."

this is a sentence from sophie heawood, in desparate need of defending.

― Proxy Fule (Proxy Fule), Friday, 1 December 2006 12:32 (seventeen years ago) link

they claim to love snowboarding, but they are patently not snowboarding. wtf.

― Proxy Fule (Proxy Fule), Friday, 1 December 2006 12:34 (seventeen years ago) link

They claim to love Chinese food, but they are patently not ducks in a variety of tasty spices.

― Dom Passantino (DomPassantino), Friday, 1 December 2006 12:37 (seventeen years ago) link

The only good thing about the shortlist is that it doesn't include Neil I Could Have Been In U2 Throw Those Guns Away NOW McCormack Out Of The Torygraph.

― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Friday, 1 December 2006 13:26 (seventeen years ago) link

He's not part of the Greek conspiracy to take over music journalism though, they wouldn't let him.

― Dom Passantino (DomPassantino), Friday, 1 December 2006 13:29 (seventeen years ago) link

'People I Probably Know Are Trying To Shortlist Me'

― Feargal Hixxy (DJ Mencap), Friday, 1 December 2006 14:03 (seventeen years ago) link

last weekend somebody told me some VERY funny stories about mr petridis.
not allowed to share them though :(
although i can say that an irregular ilm poster once stole a tin of beans & a tinopener from alexis' kitchen.

― jim mcbim (jim mcbim), Friday, 1 December 2006 14:14 (seventeen years ago) link

Which, by coincidence, is exactly what Guardian music contributors get paid per review.

― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Friday, 1 December 2006 14:19 (seventeen years ago) link

What kind of tinopener?

― Feargal Hixxy (DJ Mencap), Friday, 1 December 2006 14:21 (seventeen years ago) link

the best tin opener in britain

― sede vacante (blueski), Friday, 1 December 2006 14:39 (seventeen years ago) link

300!

― Dom Passantino (DomPassantino), Friday, 1 December 2006 14:43 (seventeen years ago) link

out of the nominees, petridis probably is best. i haven't read simon price in a long while. if he's modified his shtick maybe he's better.

― temporary enrique (temporary enrique), Friday, 1 December 2006 14:43 (seventeen years ago) link

hey guyz (tinopener guyz) if you can pad that out a bit we got ourselves a spiffy G2 column!

― acrobat (acrobat), Friday, 1 December 2006 14:45 (seventeen years ago) link

BACK OFF ALL OF YOU

― Zoe Williams (DJ Mencap), Friday, 1 December 2006 14:50 (seventeen years ago) link

I knew Zoe Williams.

Zoe Williams was a friend of mine.

Zoe - you're no Zoe Williams.

― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Friday, 1 December 2006 14:52 (seventeen years ago) link

out of the nominees, petridis probably is best.

SPECIAL OLYMPICS GOLD MEDALLIST

― [electric sound of] esteban buttez (Estie Buttez), Friday, 1 December 2006 14:57 (seventeen years ago) link

Last week I read Petridis's fashion column without any ill effects. It was about aftershave. I also read Langam's or Mangam's or whatever, and came out of it similarly unscathed. Both were entertaining enough. I am looking frorward to reading tomorrow's offerings.

― PJ Miller (PJ Miller), Friday, 1 December 2006 15:50 (seventeen years ago) link

I also read Langam's

"Now, if you're anything like me, you love raping a few children now and then."

― Dom Passantino (DomPassantino), Friday, 1 December 2006 15:53 (seventeen years ago) link

i found his remarks on aftershave unpleasant. i am too indie for any kind of fashion/male grooming writing though. in his article petridis says the metrosexsual is a myth. he says that, in his article about aftershave...

― temporary enrique (temporary enrique), Friday, 1 December 2006 15:59 (seventeen years ago) link

in the guardian

― temporary enrique (temporary enrique), Friday, 1 December 2006 16:00 (seventeen years ago) link

GQ head music critic Alexis Petridish said that?

― Dom Passantino (DomPassantino), Friday, 1 December 2006 16:02 (seventeen years ago) link

Both Petridish and Mangan make me pray for NUCLEAR HOLOCAUST IN ONE SECOND

― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Friday, 1 December 2006 16:08 (seventeen years ago) link

mangan is amusing.

― lexpretend (lexpretend), Friday, 1 December 2006 16:26 (seventeen years ago) link

ie, on a student rag mangan would be STAR WRITER, and she is very diverting on g2, but it feels slightly odd to see her frisky humour used so much. i don't mind her though!

― lexpretend (lexpretend), Friday, 1 December 2006 16:27 (seventeen years ago) link

mangan is amusing.

THAT'S WHAT THEY USED TO SAY ABOUT HITLER

― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Friday, 1 December 2006 16:28 (seventeen years ago) link

ilx0rs tend to be the kind of people (or indeed the exact people) who were involved in student papers. so know where barton-mangan is coming from. but i do wonder what other people make of it, cos it's *just* like a student paper, only daily, and all year round, and without the excuse of being 19 years old.

― temporary enrique (temporary enrique), Friday, 1 December 2006 16:32 (seventeen years ago) link

Perhaps 19-year-old students are the Grauniad's target demographic.

― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Friday, 1 December 2006 16:33 (seventeen years ago) link

thanks to that Five docu about Hitler the other night i learned that he WAS amusing, constantly taking the piss out of Goerring and his other commanding officers.

― sede vacante (blueski), Friday, 1 December 2006 16:36 (seventeen years ago) link

it's *just* like a student paper

it really, really, REALLY is exactly like this - a very high-quality one, mind (some of the dross i used to see &c &c), but the tone of...EVERYTHING is just entirely lifted from the student mag ethos.

― lexpretend (lexpretend), Friday, 1 December 2006 16:38 (seventeen years ago) link

I never did anything on my student paper. I did, however, write briefly for the Exeter one when I started working here.

― Sick Mouthy (sickmouthy), Friday, 1 December 2006 16:39 (seventeen years ago) link

i mean that's not surprising given that most of their writers (two known to me personally) used to write for the student press; BUT you might expect they'd switch up a bit? and most of them do. but not so much with mangan-barton.

xpost

i was all over my student paper.

― temporary enrique (temporary enrique), Friday, 1 December 2006 16:40 (seventeen years ago) link

andrex wasn't included in hall of residence budgets

― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Friday, 1 December 2006 16:43 (seventeen years ago) link

lol at the guardian employing the current uk student journalist of the year for less than the average production line worker gets paid.

― Dom Passantino (DomPassantino), Friday, 1 December 2006 16:47 (seventeen years ago) link

you lot should be paying the guardian for t'privilege for writing for 't!

― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Friday, 1 December 2006 16:48 (seventeen years ago) link

So far they've bought me a headphone amplifier and a new pair of headphones, plus a few indian takeaways.

― Sick Mouthy (sickmouthy), Friday, 1 December 2006 16:51 (seventeen years ago) link

a new pair of your headphones is probably a c-note at the very least tho.

― temporary enrique (temporary enrique), Friday, 1 December 2006 16:53 (seventeen years ago) link

£9.99 @ Currys Digital

― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Friday, 1 December 2006 16:54 (seventeen years ago) link

$100, handmade in NYC, no import tax.

― Sick Mouthy (sickmouthy), Friday, 1 December 2006 16:55 (seventeen years ago) link

i guessed right!

― temporary enrique (temporary enrique), Friday, 1 December 2006 16:56 (seventeen years ago) link

three weeks pass...
http://music.guardian.co.uk/rock/laurabarton/story/0,,1976919,00.html

same shit, different photo

― temporary enrique (temporary enrique), Friday, 22 December 2006 10:46 (seventeen years ago) link

"My Bestest Christmas Ever" by Laura Barton age 11.

― Fat Lady Wrestler (Modal Fugue), Friday, 22 December 2006 11:52 (seventeen years ago) link

it barely makes chronological sense. all the all saints songs she says she hates were released 'never ever' which was probably like their third ever single? so she hated them based on simple prejudice but liked lots of old fucking motown records ooh and 'cannonball' and 'babies' which let's face it are not titles that will be immediately recognized by her readers.

― temporary enrique (temporary enrique), Friday, 22 December 2006 11:55 (seventeen years ago) link

Yeah, I thought it seemed iffy but I didn't check the dates. Apparently she hated a bunch of songs they hadn't released yet. Prescient that.

― Fat Lady Wrestler (Modal Fugue), Friday, 22 December 2006 12:00 (seventeen years ago) link

Summary: "My name's Laura Barton and I think I'm totally fucking cool. And now I "get" popular music as well so I'm better than you - even though everyone else got it before me because their heads are jammed so far up their own arses"

(weren't several of the other records she mentions "chart songs" as well?)

xpost re chronology, isn't she just being revisionist about it well after it had had its day when people with less pretensions liked it the first time round?

― ailsa_xx (ailsa_xx), Friday, 22 December 2006 12:04 (seventeen years ago) link

their heads are jammed so far up their own arses

aren't, that should be.

― ailsa_xx (ailsa_xx), Friday, 22 December 2006 12:05 (seventeen years ago) link

It's like when Mark Radcliffe used to suddenly play Zoom by Fat Larry's Band in a set full of the Fall and Teenage Fanclub. [...]Or the night England went out of Euro 96, when the local DJ put on Three Lions and all the goths and the riot grrrls and the fey little indie kids danced about together joyously.

it's like two things i, laura barton, have experienced. (nb: goths, riot grrrls, and 'fey little indie kids' -- lady knows her zeitgeist.)

'never ever' was their SECOND single, so she must have REALLY hated 'i know where it's at' for this article to make a shred of sense; and even then, yes, martha reeves did sell a few records.

― temporary enrique (temporary enrique), Friday, 22 December 2006 12:07 (seventeen years ago) link

Sadly I think it's just that G2 or whatever it's called now is basically "I Heart Being a Student in the 90s".

― Fat Lady Wrestler (Modal Fugue), Friday, 22 December 2006 12:08 (seventeen years ago) link

I also call bullshit on "my grandfather's greatcoat" (what is this, a Hovis ad?) and her knowing who the Pastels were in 1997.

― Fat Lady Wrestler (Modal Fugue), Friday, 22 December 2006 12:09 (seventeen years ago) link

I really did heart being a student in the 90s, but I'm not getting to be all "I really liked things you wouldn't expect me to like, woo, me all subversive, love me love me" about it for money. Is that even a *thing* any more, to be unironic in your wuv for pop?

(aye, I lived in *Glasgow* and rarely heard the Pastels played at any indie-studenty nights)

― ailsa_xx (ailsa_xx), Friday, 22 December 2006 12:12 (seventeen years ago) link

i would do that for money, is the sad part.

― temporary enrique (temporary enrique), Friday, 22 December 2006 12:15 (seventeen years ago) link

but my dates would be tight an'shit.

― temporary enrique (temporary enrique), Friday, 22 December 2006 12:16 (seventeen years ago) link

xpost re chronology, isn't she just being revisionist about it well after it had had its day when people with less pretensions liked it the first time round?

I didn't explain that very well. I meant, this mythical night when she listened to the Pastels and Pulp and then the scales fell from her eyes re All Saints, Never Ever had been around for a while and she had thought she hated it along with all the other songs she also hated by them, but hearing it again in a new context and realising that people in neckerchiefs who listened to Belle and Sebastian liked it meant she could throw of her indie shackles and like it too.

― ailsa_xx (ailsa_xx), Friday, 22 December 2006 12:17 (seventeen years ago) link

xxxpost

Yeah, this is what's so rofflicious about it: the confessional tone. "I know I like proper music like The Smiths and The Breeders, but would you believe I like (some) silly Pop records too? Now I've admitted this, you can feel good about yourself when you sing along to East 17 at your Office Party today."

Puh-leeeeeeeze.

xpost

But she doesn't. She says she heard it in 1997, about a month after it had been released and before every other song she mentions.

― Fat Lady Wrestler (Modal Fugue), Friday, 22 December 2006 12:19 (seventeen years ago) link

Actually, I am talking shite because she says it was New Year 1997 and Pure Shores didn't come out until 2000. She's just a shit writer.

(xpost, obviously)

― ailsa_xx (ailsa_xx), Friday, 22 December 2006 12:22 (seventeen years ago) link

Or the night England went out of Euro 96, when the local DJ put on Three Lions and all the goths and the riot grrrls and the fey little indie kids danced about together joyously.

wait, does she mean these people all danced joyously because they all hated football and were glad England were out?

this would make slightly more sense (i.e. slightly more than zero)

― sede vacante (blueski), Friday, 22 December 2006 12:25 (seventeen years ago) link

(tenner says she means the night England beat Scotland in Euro 96, but she knows fuck all about football so couldn't grab onto any reference other than "I'm pretty sure England didn't win the whole thing so they must have got knocked out")

― ailsa_xx (ailsa_xx), Friday, 22 December 2006 12:29 (seventeen years ago) link

Or the night Beckham got sent off in Euro 96, when the local DJ put on "Back Home" and all the goths and the teddy boys and the fey little indie kids danced about together joyously.

― Fat Lady Wrestler (Modal Fugue), Friday, 22 December 2006 12:31 (seventeen years ago) link

omg i hadn't even thought about it that way! this goes two ways:

1) "indie" nites c. june-july 1996: not a great time for the abovementioned subcultures. more of a 'cast and OCS' time -- iirc -- so no great celebration at england going out. scenario not very plausible.

2) "indie nite" c. june-july 1996 that miraculously comprised bang up-to-date belle & seb types or i guess 80s vets plus erm early 90s vets and more 80s vets (she was a student -- but no matter) -- anyway these guys would not have dug 'three lions', but they might well have disliked football etc and wouldn't have cared that england went out. but dancing to 'three lions' to show this? hmmmm. scenario not very plausible

OH GOD I JUST SPEND THREE MINUTES WRITING THAT :O(

― temporary enrique (temporary enrique), Friday, 22 December 2006 12:33 (seventeen years ago) link

I just went out and keyed every BMW in the street.

― Fat Lady Wrestler (Modal Fugue), Friday, 22 December 2006 12:35 (seventeen years ago) link

(contrary to stereotype, large amounts of twee scarf-wearing indie types like football, also Three Lions = Ian Broudie therefore the acceptably indie face of football songs*)

* the first time round, not the 8 zillion reissues and updates when it took over the fucking world

xpost I laughed because I am neither big nor clever.

― ailsa_xx (ailsa_xx), Friday, 22 December 2006 12:38 (seventeen years ago) link

I just went out and keyed every BMW in the street.
-- Fat Lady Wrestler (noodlevagu...), December 22nd, 2006.

i read this as 'because article was shit' not 'because england went out'. bad luck on the conviction btw.

― temporary enrique (temporary enrique), Friday, 22 December 2006 12:42 (seventeen years ago) link

INNOCENT UNTIL PROVEN GUILTY FOUND HANGING IN CELL

(dude's recent photos don't look that much like me, happily)

― Fat Lady Wrestler (Modal Fugue), Friday, 22 December 2006 12:43 (seventeen years ago) link

I hereby resign from the concept of poppism.

― Dom Passantino (DomPassantino), Friday, 22 December 2006 12:48 (seventeen years ago) link

one month passes...
http://music.guardian.co.uk/rock/comment/story/0,,2010286,00.html

― temporary enrique (temporary enrique), Monday, 12 February 2007 10:40 (seventeen years ago) link

i liked kitty empire's lady sov review in the observer yesterday.

― lexpretend (lexpretend), Monday, 12 February 2007 10:43 (seventeen years ago) link

ha i just skimmed this tedious thread again for no reason whatsoever and the inept myspace stalking of "ilx's most widely read journalist" is still amusing

― lexpretend (lexpretend), Monday, 12 February 2007 10:52 (seventeen years ago) link

Predictably, I agree entirely with that Observer piece.

― Sick Mouthy (sickmouthy), Monday, 12 February 2007 10:53 (seventeen years ago) link

my god lady sov is bad.

um nick snow patrol are not indie. the piece made no sense.

― temporary enrique (temporary enrique), Monday, 12 February 2007 10:54 (seventeen years ago) link

in fact none of the bands she mentions are indie.

― temporary enrique (temporary enrique), Monday, 12 February 2007 10:55 (seventeen years ago) link

how are snow patrol not indie? what do you mean by 'indie'? they're indie to me.

― lexpretend (lexpretend), Monday, 12 February 2007 10:56 (seventeen years ago) link

it's a bit like calling u2 a post-punk band cos they did a record with martin hannett.

xpost

well yes.

― temporary enrique (temporary enrique), Monday, 12 February 2007 10:56 (seventeen years ago) link

"snow patrol are not indie"

eh?

― braveclub (braveclub), Monday, 12 February 2007 10:57 (seventeen years ago) link

they don't sound indie, they don't play indie venues, they don't sell indie records...

― temporary enrique (temporary enrique), Monday, 12 February 2007 11:00 (seventeen years ago) link

I saw Snow Patrol live in Leeds circa 1998. They were perhaps the most indie thing I have ever seen.

― braveclub (braveclub), Monday, 12 February 2007 11:00 (seventeen years ago) link

Once an indie band, always an indie band.

― braveclub (braveclub), Monday, 12 February 2007 11:00 (seventeen years ago) link

nah.

― temporary enrique (temporary enrique), Monday, 12 February 2007 11:01 (seventeen years ago) link

'once a skiffle band always a skiffle band'

― temporary enrique (temporary enrique), Monday, 12 February 2007 11:01 (seventeen years ago) link

you come up via indie routes = you have indie roots = you are indie in the broad sense of the word (as opposed to pop or dance or hip-hop)

― lexpretend (lexpretend), Monday, 12 February 2007 11:03 (seventeen years ago) link

also, wtf are they if not indie? they're obv treated as a pop group now but by that reasoning everyone of similar stature is pop, regardless of how they sound or where they come from

― lexpretend (lexpretend), Monday, 12 February 2007 11:04 (seventeen years ago) link

tell me more about 'indie roots', lex.

― temporary enrique (temporary enrique), Monday, 12 February 2007 11:04 (seventeen years ago) link

they are AOR, not so much pop. punk was a myth. indie was a fad.

― temporary enrique (temporary enrique), Monday, 12 February 2007 11:05 (seventeen years ago) link

if only

― lexpretend (lexpretend), Monday, 12 February 2007 11:06 (seventeen years ago) link

They used to be on Jeepster and sing songs about polar bears. NONE MORE INDIE. (that version of Snow Patrol bears little resemblence to this current one though)

― ailsa_xx (ailsa_xx), Monday, 12 February 2007 11:09 (seventeen years ago) link

Indie roots: http://www.museum.tv/archives/etv/R/htmlR/roots/rootsIMAGE/roots.jpg

― Dom Passantino (DomPassantino), Monday, 12 February 2007 11:17 (seventeen years ago) link

Stadium Indie

― sede vacante (blueski), Monday, 12 February 2007 11:19 (seventeen years ago) link

meanwhile Harris does the required fortnightly 'no more heroes anymore too much choice today bloody apathetic kids life is too cosy for profound punk statements' whinny.

― sede vacante (blueski), Monday, 12 February 2007 11:23 (seventeen years ago) link

it doesn't feel like such a long time ago that we had the last revival of interest in punk.

― temporary enrique (temporary enrique), Monday, 12 February 2007 11:25 (seventeen years ago) link

soysaucegirl

February 10, 2007 1:24 AM

Wakey, wakey John. The rebellion of rap, being born when Sid Vicious was still alive, was far more internationally influential, creative and sustained than punk. Oh I forget, it was made by BLACK people in the US, so you don't have a handle on it, right? So therefore you can act like nothing significant has happened since punk?
White folks keep banging on about punk because they can afford to wallow in the past. Black music, by contrast, has been for the past 25 years fiercely competitive and therefore keeps re-inventing itself. Too busy fighting for the present to keep whining about the good ol' days of 30 years ago.

I do like it when people combine trolling with being right.

― Dom Passantino (DomPassantino), Monday, 12 February 2007 11:27 (seventeen years ago) link

but hip hop is dead?

― sede vacante (blueski), Monday, 12 February 2007 11:35 (seventeen years ago) link

Nas lied to you through song.

― Dom Passantino (DomPassantino), Monday, 12 February 2007 11:35 (seventeen years ago) link

I've been saying for ages that "indie" is an impotent, redundant and meaningless term. "Indie" in 2007 (and since about 1995, at a guess) has actually meant "rock". All the bands listed in the Empire piece are Big Rock Bands, no matter their routes. Very few artists start out massive and corporate from the get go, whatever genre they're in. Not everyone plays pubs and makes lo-fi records, admittedly, but, you know, Dizzee Rascal as analogue to Arctic Monkeys in terms of creation, discovery and reception of music.

That doesn't mean I disagree with what Empire's saying though - that bands are in way too much of a rush to go UNIVERSAL these days in terms of sound and appeal, and that perhaps some of them would be better off with more creative rather than commercial ambitions.

― Sick Mouthy (sickmouthy), Monday, 12 February 2007 11:37 (seventeen years ago) link

If Snow Patrol had "more creative rather than commercial ambitions" they'd still be playing third on the bill to Mull Historical Society and Salako in front of a crowd of 200. Rather than, you know, now sleeping on a mattress stuffed entirely with $1000 and gold bullion.

― Dom Passantino (DomPassantino), Monday, 12 February 2007 11:40 (seventeen years ago) link

People were having these discussions about the meaninglessness of the term "indie" in 1992, probably earlier. Plus ca change or something.

― Colonel Poo (Colonel Poo), Monday, 12 February 2007 11:41 (seventeen years ago) link

"Too busy fighting for the present to keep whining about the good ol' days of 30 years ago."

trudat -- rappers never dwell on the past. cough.

― temporary enrique (temporary enrique), Monday, 12 February 2007 11:41 (seventeen years ago) link

I don't think the two are necessarily mutually exclusive. I'm hoping that, say, the Patrick Wolf record goes mega.

― Sick Mouthy (sickmouthy), Monday, 12 February 2007 11:41 (seventeen years ago) link

Colonel Poo - true, doubtless, but did so-called "indie bands" in 1992 shift 1.6m units? The term may have been debated for an age but it's never been quite as brutally abused and meaningless as it is now.

― Sick Mouthy (sickmouthy), Monday, 12 February 2007 11:42 (seventeen years ago) link

How many copies did Nevermind sell?

― Colonel Poo (Colonel Poo), Monday, 12 February 2007 11:44 (seventeen years ago) link

I don't think they were described as indie were they?

― Sick Mouthy (sickmouthy), Monday, 12 February 2007 11:46 (seventeen years ago) link

Sometimes, yes.

I remember an article in Select called What Is Indie? from about 92/93 that decided they were too rich to be indie, though.

― Colonel Poo (Colonel Poo), Monday, 12 February 2007 11:47 (seventeen years ago) link

"The Queen Is Dead" must have sold over a mill worldwide. Same as "Bossanova" and the Violent Femmes S/T

― Dom Passantino (DomPassantino), Monday, 12 February 2007 11:49 (seventeen years ago) link

the smiths were indie though.

― temporary enrique (temporary enrique), Monday, 12 February 2007 11:52 (seventeen years ago) link

it was probably easier to call nirvana "indie" than snow patrol as well. the game has changed a lot and i suppose punk/alternative signifiers are even easier to come by now; but all the same, nirvana surely had the power to alienate people in a way snow patrol don't. (obviously snow patrol alienate people, but not in the same way.)

― temporary enrique (temporary enrique), Monday, 12 February 2007 11:58 (seventeen years ago) link

yes (xpost), they were on rought trade. the rules kids: the smiths, erasure, kylie and rick astley = indie. the cure, the pet shop boys, madonna and morrissey = not indie.

― acrobat (acrobat), Monday, 12 February 2007 12:13 (seventeen years ago) link

no, that's silly; but the smiths were just more indie than snow patrol. it isn't simply about record labels, that's just one possible indicator.

― temporary enrique (temporary enrique), Monday, 12 February 2007 12:22 (seventeen years ago) link

But in the beginning it was! The word was first used to denote type of label then PWL (and others) made everything confusing by being indie but not “indie”. Or so I have been told.

― acrobat (acrobat), Monday, 12 February 2007 12:35 (seventeen years ago) link

there were indendent record labels before rough trade and whatnot, holmes. it was never just about labels.

― temporary enrique (temporary enrique), Monday, 12 February 2007 12:39 (seventeen years ago) link

"Bands that sound like they ought to be on an independent record label". i.e. not Coldplay.

― Sick Mouthy (sickmouthy), Monday, 12 February 2007 12:44 (seventeen years ago) link

yeh but the mythology round independent records changed sometime in the 70s. indie labels meant a certain type of music being released that otherwise might not have been released. so yeh it wasn't really about labels but it was about labels.

xp

― acrobat (acrobat), Monday, 12 February 2007 12:46 (seventeen years ago) link

PUT YOUR HANDS UP FOR RIGHT-WING FARMERS - THEY DIG POST-1988 RAP!

― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Monday, 12 February 2007 12:52 (seventeen years ago) link

in fact none of the bands she mentions are indie.

Arcade Fire not indie?

― zeus (zeus), Monday, 12 February 2007 13:07 (seventeen years ago) link

I find it very hard to believe any of you are actually interested in this debate.

― Matt DC (Matt DC), Monday, 12 February 2007 14:00 (seventeen years ago) link

Isn't it.

― Sick Mouthy (sickmouthy), Monday, 12 February 2007 15:25 (seventeen years ago) link

...so anyway (great thread, just lost half an hour of my life reading it), anyone got the new arcade fire? meant to be reviewing it for, um, thursday but no fucker's actually got a copy it seems.

― CharlieNo4 (CharlieNo4), Monday, 12 February 2007 19:22 (seventeen years ago) link

tum te tum.

― CharlieNo4 (CharlieNo4), Tuesday, 13 February 2007 17:43 (seventeen years ago) link

what is this 'thursday' publication of which you speak

― unfished business (Scourage), Tuesday, 13 February 2007 17:45 (seventeen years ago) link

wheeee! (ok, the word 'deadline' would've helped somewhere in there)

― CharlieNo4 (CharlieNo4), Tuesday, 13 February 2007 18:55 (seventeen years ago) link


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