Pazz and Jop is dead; long live Jackin' Pop

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Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 28 November 2006 16:29 (seventeen years ago) link

so that's the project matos was hinting at

DJ Martian (djmartian), Tuesday, 28 November 2006 16:34 (seventeen years ago) link

martian, did you get the decibel list?


scott walker is metal as fuck

scott seward (121212), Tuesday, 28 November 2006 16:46 (seventeen years ago) link

Well he did sample Fuckhead.

Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Tuesday, 28 November 2006 16:46 (seventeen years ago) link

yes scott already blogged

DJ Martian (djmartian), Tuesday, 28 November 2006 16:52 (seventeen years ago) link

Packin' Jop?

Tuomas (Tuomas), Tuesday, 28 November 2006 16:55 (seventeen years ago) link

I don't see that concentrating on House-derived Top 40 hits of the mid-late eighties is an adequate substitute for J&P.

Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Tuesday, 28 November 2006 16:57 (seventeen years ago) link

Jackin' Pop - surely gawker media could afford a branding agency in NYC to come up with something more superior

DJ Martian (djmartian), Tuesday, 28 November 2006 17:00 (seventeen years ago) link

will "the dean" continue with his pompous year essay?

DJ Martian (djmartian), Tuesday, 28 November 2006 17:03 (seventeen years ago) link

i notice Jon Williams says: [on idolator]

Matos, have you given any thought to a web based home for this poll? It is important to have the results preserved for perpetuity and it'd be really cool if all the voting data were available so people could play with the data. I seem to remember someone on ILM tallying the female critics votes....

Answer:

Which is why we're proud to announce the Idolator Jackin' Pop Critics Poll. Edited by Michaelangelo Matos--a Seattle-based music critic and author of the 33 1/3 book Sign O' The Times--Jackin' Pop will maintain the Voice's thoughtfully anarchic approach to music criticism, merging it with the technological reach of Gawker Media.

Gawker media / idolator will present the results - it's surely up to matos to co-ordinate with the web monkeys at gawker on how to do this in a similar User Experience to previous VV P & J websites.

DJ Martian (djmartian), Tuesday, 28 November 2006 18:06 (seventeen years ago) link

I seem to remember someone on ILM tallying the female critics votes....

HI DERE

jaymc (jaymc), Tuesday, 28 November 2006 18:13 (seventeen years ago) link

glenn mcdonald is also the whizz with stats:

http://www.furia.com/page.cgi?type=twas&id=twas0506b

DJ Martian (djmartian), Tuesday, 28 November 2006 18:16 (seventeen years ago) link

stats and big country b-sides. and words. god love him.

scott seward (121212), Tuesday, 28 November 2006 18:20 (seventeen years ago) link

i better get my ballot in the mail soon!

deep space nine (deep space nine), Tuesday, 28 November 2006 18:56 (seventeen years ago) link

Stuff YANK PLANKS New Media Inc; install MATOS to use SYSTEMS THINKING, ensure DARKWAVE placements are high enough: employ MATTY TALOR as statistical advisor.

DJ Venutian (DomPassantino), Tuesday, 28 November 2006 19:45 (seventeen years ago) link

Is the pazz and jop even taking place this year, or is that something that xgau owns and vv isn't allowed to use anymore? Just curious...

Leon Czolgosz (Leon), Tuesday, 28 November 2006 20:15 (seventeen years ago) link

LADY SOVEREIGN FTW

Jesus Dan (dan perry), Tuesday, 28 November 2006 20:16 (seventeen years ago) link

NO JORDAN, NO CREDIBILITY.

Leon Czolgosz (Leon), Tuesday, 28 November 2006 20:18 (seventeen years ago) link

A whole new autotune.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 28 November 2006 20:20 (seventeen years ago) link

re: Dj Martian:

I think my point was that something this important needs a proper web presence and not just shoehorned into a MoveableType blog.

Jon Williams (ex machina), Tuesday, 28 November 2006 21:26 (seventeen years ago) link

The results could be placed between the "Electronic Downtempo Grooves, Electro Jazz, Broken Beats, Trip Hop" and "EM / Electronic Music/ Ambient/ Space Music" links on http://djmartian.blogspot.com/

Andy_K (Andy_K), Tuesday, 28 November 2006 21:32 (seventeen years ago) link

"important"

Nu-Edward III (edward iii), Tuesday, 28 November 2006 21:39 (seventeen years ago) link

Good to know that the Country Music poll at the Voice Media-owned Nashville Scene is still happening under Geoff Himes' direction. Just got my ballot request today.

Roy Kasten (Roy Kasten), Tuesday, 28 November 2006 23:04 (seventeen years ago) link

awful, awful name

jergins (jergins), Tuesday, 28 November 2006 23:05 (seventeen years ago) link

I don't see the distinction between a proper web presence and a movable type blog. I mean, it could be a *nice* movable type blog.

whoop de doodle (kenan), Wednesday, 29 November 2006 00:16 (seventeen years ago) link

And people read Gawker. Lots and lots of people.

whoop de doodle (kenan), Wednesday, 29 November 2006 00:18 (seventeen years ago) link

lol "thoughtfully anarchic"

bliss (blass), Wednesday, 29 November 2006 03:04 (seventeen years ago) link

actual presence, i think, means server-side app purpose built to tally/parse poll results into a bunch of different sample sets (based on artist, voter, etc.). movable type doesn't do that.

grbchv! (gbx), Wednesday, 29 November 2006 03:20 (seventeen years ago) link

Oh great. I bet this is just because I was bugging The Voice to let the people hear what ESTEBAN BUTTEZ thoight about 2006.

Well, fuck 'em.

[electric sound of] esteban buttez (Estie Buttez), Wednesday, 29 November 2006 03:21 (seventeen years ago) link

actual presence, i think, means server-side app purpose built to tally/parse poll results into a bunch of different sample sets (based on artist, voter, etc.). movable type doesn't do that.

waht? This poll isn't being conduced online, only reported.

whoop de doodle (kenan), Wednesday, 29 November 2006 03:51 (seventeen years ago) link

okay, fine: tally/parse/report


not a blog, a flexible information presentation.

grbchv! (gbx), Wednesday, 29 November 2006 04:01 (seventeen years ago) link

Idolator Worldwide! It's not a blog, it's a movement!

hoosteen movement worldwide (hoosteen), Wednesday, 29 November 2006 05:43 (seventeen years ago) link

okay, fine: tally/parse/report


not a blog, a flexible information presentation.

That does not make any sense. What's more "flexible information presentation" than a blog? Would you like the results to be written on a slinky?

whoop de doodle (kenan), Wednesday, 29 November 2006 05:50 (seventeen years ago) link

Am I the only one who likes the name? It really picks up on the whole vibe of "pazz and jop."

I am a new comer here. and I am a muslim girl (RSLaRue), Wednesday, 29 November 2006 06:02 (seventeen years ago) link

I mean, maybe you and JW are talking over my head here, but this is a poll where you take a lot of opinions that are arranged in numerical order, assign point values to those opinions, tally them up, and report the results. This does not require programming knowledge. It does not even require a computer, except that the internet is really useful in reporting the results nowadays. Which is exactly what they're doing.

xpost I like the name, too. The whole point of it is kinda that Pazz and Jop was also a terrible name.

whoop de doodle (kenan), Wednesday, 29 November 2006 06:06 (seventeen years ago) link

They should have called it Spazz and Jap.

Oddly enough, staying here I saw seven golden bowls make cakes and religion (goo, Wednesday, 29 November 2006 06:17 (seventeen years ago) link

Racist.

whoop de doodle (kenan), Wednesday, 29 November 2006 06:18 (seventeen years ago) link

Well, it could have been worse. I could have suggested that it be named, Nigger and Master.

Oddly enough, staying here I saw seven golden bowls make cakes and religion (goo, Wednesday, 29 November 2006 06:59 (seventeen years ago) link

Come now. Is that realistic?

whoop de doodle (kenan), Wednesday, 29 November 2006 07:09 (seventeen years ago) link

where's the excelsior thread when we need it?

hoosteen is not ghostcod (hoosteen), Wednesday, 29 November 2006 07:21 (seventeen years ago) link

What's more "flexible information presentation" than a blog?

Something with a database backend, obviously. The Pazz and Jop polls list the albums and who voted for them, along with critics and what albums they voted for -- all as static content pages. This could very easily be done dynamically or at least programatically to generate the pages instead of using static content. That also opens it up to showing which albums critics that voted for album X were also likely to vote for and create a basis for analyzing trends all within the main site.

It may be a small gain since the majority of people don't care and like the same lists as a print version, but the ILM types and statistical obsessives would love this shit. A few people always end up doing something similar anyway, although if it's on Idolator's site they get more ad impressions.

mh (mike h.), Wednesday, 29 November 2006 16:28 (seventeen years ago) link

Maybe we're not on the same page. You can do all of that with Movable Type.

whoop de doodle (kenan), Wednesday, 29 November 2006 16:30 (seventeen years ago) link

I mean, maybe you and JW are talking over my head here

OTM

Nu-Edward III (edward iii), Wednesday, 29 November 2006 16:34 (seventeen years ago) link

ihttp://www.mattscdsingles.com/acatalog/15849.jpg

Alfred Soto (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 29 November 2006 16:36 (seventeen years ago) link

ihttp://www.mattscdsingles.com/acatalog/15849.jpg

Alfred Soto (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 29 November 2006 16:36 (seventeen years ago) link

Oh, fuck it.

Alfred Soto (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 29 November 2006 16:37 (seventeen years ago) link

What we need is the complete poll results in XML format.

o. nate (o. nate), Wednesday, 29 November 2006 16:37 (seventeen years ago) link

You can do it with MT as static, published pages, or do you mean as dynamic stuff? I'm talking about providing people with search engine capabilities to compare data, not with coming up with a list of features and then churning out some content. I realize it's a fixed data set once everyone's ballot is in, but having the data in a stored format makes it easier down the line to pull together stuff for, say, Jackin' Pop '07 or whatever.

I'm really of the school of throwing everything in a database for mining later, though.

o. nate otm.

mh (mike h.), Wednesday, 29 November 2006 16:38 (seventeen years ago) link

http://www.mattscdsingles.com/acatalog/15849.jpg

Nu-Edward III (edward iii), Wednesday, 29 November 2006 16:45 (seventeen years ago) link

I have no idea why Alfred posted that, but I figured I'd help a brother out.

Nu-Edward III (edward iii), Wednesday, 29 November 2006 16:46 (seventeen years ago) link

http://www.londonstimes.us/toons/cartoons/pop.gif

Nu-Edward III (edward iii), Wednesday, 29 November 2006 16:55 (seventeen years ago) link

Thanks, Edward. I posted the photo wanting to make a lame remark about retitling the poll "Drrty Pop," but you spared me the indignity.

Alfred Soto (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 29 November 2006 16:57 (seventeen years ago) link

The database is a given, I thought. You should have dynamic pages for a listing of what each person voted for, and everyone who voted for each item, with everything linked to everything else. Right? I mean, Movable Type is just an example. That's not hard to do, anyway.

whoop de doodle (kenan), Wednesday, 29 November 2006 17:11 (seventeen years ago) link

"results will be announced Sunday, Dec. 31st."

Awww man. Once upon a time, Pazz and Jop used to wait until the year was over and critics did not have to submit their ballots until some time in January, now it looks like Matos will want ballots early. So much for any late December acquisitions...

cornyrocker (DC Steve), Wednesday, 29 November 2006 17:22 (seventeen years ago) link

name's a little too close to jackson pollock for me. i hated that guy.

deep space nine (deep space nine), Wednesday, 29 November 2006 18:24 (seventeen years ago) link

Did Pollock splatter paint on you, or did you just not like his jazz record collection? As for Michaelangelo, uh, that's a different style of art.

On a slightly different topic, Michaelangelo Matos had an article in the Village Voice recently. I wonder if he'll have any more there in the future...

cornyrocker (DC Steve), Wednesday, 29 November 2006 18:42 (seventeen years ago) link

o.nate/mh OTM

are you missing the point on purpose, kenan?

grbchv! (gbx), Wednesday, 29 November 2006 19:12 (seventeen years ago) link

x-post

Hopefully Matos will be sending e-mails to Global Rhythms, FRoots, various rap magazines, the Beat, various Latin pop publications, etc. so there will be some votes for more than just Dylan and indie-rockers.

cornyrocker (DC Steve), Wednesday, 29 November 2006 19:49 (seventeen years ago) link

I think Matos is very aware of that. That's why I'm really happy he's doing this.

jaymc (jaymc), Wednesday, 29 November 2006 20:42 (seventeen years ago) link

i hope it results in a more interesting grouping of albums near the top, though i suspect it won't despite the best efforts of all involved.

deep space nine (deep space nine), Wednesday, 29 November 2006 20:45 (seventeen years ago) link

That's RACIST.

Nu-Edward III (edward iii), Wednesday, 29 November 2006 20:53 (seventeen years ago) link

i hope it results in a more interesting grouping of albums near the top, though i suspect it won't despite the best efforts of all involved.

Of course it won't! If 100 people pick the Decemberists as like #8, it carries a fucking lot more weight than if two people pick something as #1.

jw (ex machina), Wednesday, 29 November 2006 21:20 (seventeen years ago) link

exactly, it's the middling "well it's a pretty good indie record" consensus picks that seem to finish near the top. i think what kills polls like these (i'm going on the assumption it will have a similar result to whatever pazz and jop would have been) is the people who listen to a relatively small number of the hyped albums in a given year and then vote for the top ten out of that presumably small group.

deep space nine (deep space nine), Wednesday, 29 November 2006 21:25 (seventeen years ago) link

are you missing the point on purpose, kenan?

NO! I'm really lost.

whoop de doodle (kenan), Wednesday, 29 November 2006 21:30 (seventeen years ago) link

Let's construct a metric for weighting people's votes so that people with dissimilar (to the aggregate) preferences are weighted higher.

jw (ex machina), Wednesday, 29 November 2006 22:05 (seventeen years ago) link

Battle of the Polls (although Christgau will contribute to both).

Check out this NY Times article:
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/11/30/arts/music/30idol.html?_r=1&oref=slogin&ref=music&pagewanted=print

November 30, 2006
Meaty, Beaty, Big and Bloggy: An Online Poll Covets the Territory Once Owned by Pazz & Jop
By BEN SISARIO
If the rock critics of the world have a clubhouse, it has long been the annual Pazz & Jop poll in The Village Voice.

For more than 30 years, critics at magazines, newspapers and Web sites have contributed their Top 10 lists of albums and singles. Along with those lists came voluminous insidery commentary, all digested and analyzed in one monstrous essay by Robert Christgau, organizing the pop universe into an intellectually cohesive narrative. (“It’s Kanye West’s World, Franz Ferdinand Just Live In It,” ran the cover line for the 2005 Pazz & Jop issue.)

But in the wake of the takeover late last year of Village Voice Media, the weekly paper’s parent company, by the New Times Media chain, and the departure of dozens of Voice employees — including Mr. Christgau, 64, who oversaw the Pazz & Jop coverage and was fired in August — a rival clubhouse poll has emerged. And of course it is on a blog.

This week Idolator, a newish music blog owned by Gawker Media, seized on the outrage and disappointment felt by critics around the country who saw Mr. Christgau — and Chuck Eddy, the Voice music editor, who was dismissed in April — as a force of credibility and journalistic continuity, by announcing its own poll, Jackin’ Pop.

“For those who had long turned to The Voice to help guide them through the realm of pop, rock and hip-hop,” the announcement read, “the 51-year-old alt-weekly now had about as much musical credibility as, say, a three-month-old blog.”

The new survey will be organized by Michaelangelo Matos, a well regarded freelance writer who has served as music editor at the Voice-owned Seattle Weekly. (When New Times Media acquired Village Voice Media, it also took its name.) Jackin’ Pop will have some new technological bells and whistles, like demographic breakdowns of ballots, but will largely be modeled after Pazz & Jop. Mr. Matos, 31, said it was as much a homage to that model as a protest against the new Voice.

“Pazz & Jop has always been about intellectual music coverage,” he said. “There are people at The Voice doing good, smart work, but the overall culture does not smile upon it being particularly thoughtful.”

Rob Harvilla, The Voice’s new music editor, who will oversee the continuation of Pazz & Jop, disagrees with that assessment. “I understand the consternation regarding” Mr. Christgau, he said. “And we’re going to have to prove ourselves to the critical world at large. But I think it’s worth doing.”

Ballots for the two polls are to begin going out this week.

The Pazz & Jop model, with easily aggregated rankings and spunky, personal, bite-size commentary, is ideally suited to an online update; The Voice itself has a Web version of the poll (villagevoice.com), in which each ballot can be viewed and cross-referenced.

“Pazz & Jop was kind of a bloggy idea before the Internet,” said Michael Hirschorn, an executive vice president at VH1 and a former editor of Spin. “That kind of obsessive narrow fanaticism has been democratized and spread throughout hundreds of blogs.”

Though the Idolator poll (idolator.com) will be open to some bloggers — Mr. Matos said that anyone who writes regularly about music will be eligible — its main constituency will be professional music critics, the same old-fashioned, old-media elite who contribute to Pazz & Jop. This suggests Idolator is betting that readers are still interested in the idea of professional rock critics and their opinions.

“This speaks to the credibility of The Voice,” said Joe Hagan, a contributing editor at New York magazine who writes about the media. “The Voice really did have such an incredible run as a purveyor of rock criticism, and that credibility is gone with Christgau’s exit. It’s there for the taking.”

To nab that credibility, Idolator first offered the job of putting Jackin’ Pop together to Mr. Christgau. He declined, but said he would contribute to both Jackin’ Pop and Pazz & Jop.

While in other fields there are multiple critics’ polls, Pazz & Jop has enjoyed an almost unchallenged run since it began in 1974. (An earlier version was published in 1971, leading to the hedge of calling it the “31st or 32nd annual” poll, and so on.)

But based on an unscientific survey of far fewer rock critics than the 800 or so who usually contribute to Pazz & Jop — Mr. Matos said he was shooting for 1,200 — the presence of a rival is less likely to cause a rift among critics than a shrug, because of doubts about Idolator’s ability to match the quality and breadth of Mr. Christgau’s work and about the future of rock criticism itself.

“What critics used to do was catch the black holes of culture, things that are not adequately distributed or whatever,” said Alec Hanley Bemis, a columnist for L.A. Weekly, a Village Voice Media paper. “These days they get caught by bloggers far before those critics’ lists come out.”

As for Mr. Christgau, who now contributes reviews to National Public Radio and to Rolling Stone and other publications, he said he was glad to be relieved of the yearly burden of Pazz & Jop, which took weeks of laborious work.

“My wife was not happy that I was fired,” Mr. Christgau wrote in an e-mail message. “But she was overjoyed that Pazz & Jop was out of our lives. We hope to go to Puerto Rico in early January.”

Copyright 2006 The New York Times Company

cornyrocker (DC Steve), Thursday, 30 November 2006 14:40 (seventeen years ago) link

competition, market forces it's the american dream

DJ Martian (djmartian), Thursday, 30 November 2006 14:55 (seventeen years ago) link

It's going to be like the NCAA, with the separate polls for sportswriters and coaches, leading to no one being able to determine what was "really" the best album of the year.

jaymc (jaymc), Thursday, 30 November 2006 15:51 (seventeen years ago) link

prediction: Dylan wuz robbed by some guy whilst robbing some other guy

sede vacante (blueski), Thursday, 30 November 2006 16:01 (seventeen years ago) link

leading to no one being able to determine what was "really" the best album of the year.

Like we were able to tell before.

Nu-Edward III (edward iii), Thursday, 30 November 2006 16:24 (seventeen years ago) link

i heart matos.


scott seward (121212), Thursday, 30 November 2006 16:42 (seventeen years ago) link

There is precedent for more than one poll. As I noted on a prior P & J thread, longtime writer Dave Marsh used to do his own critics poll with participants from around the world. He published the results in his Rock & Rap Confidential newsletter. His poll never got much media attention though.

Ooh, Christgau is going on a trip to Puerto Rico. Hopefully a long reggaeton and salsa essay from him will be in the works!

cornyrocker (DC Steve), Thursday, 30 November 2006 17:04 (seventeen years ago) link

or 5 thousand words about the new Eminem mixtape

Al (Alex In Baltimore), Thursday, 30 November 2006 17:14 (seventeen years ago) link

More likely reggaeton than salsa knowing Christgau (and knowing what's hot in PR, to the extent that I do know that). Anyway, sounds like a vacation, so maybe he is just going to drink mojitos and leave it at that. (I don't really know what a mojito is, but it seemed like the right choice.)

Kali Pachanguero (RSLaRue), Thursday, 30 November 2006 17:17 (seventeen years ago) link

Mmmmm, mojito's are White Rum, Lime Juice, Sugarcane stick, Mint Leaf,& ice or Soda Water. Cubans and Puerto Ricans' both lay claims to them.

Will Harvilla let Christgau write an essay in the Voice P & J? I wonder how much space the new/current Voice will give anyone?

cornyrocker (DC Steve), Thursday, 30 November 2006 18:05 (seventeen years ago) link

Yeah, the first story I heard on mojitos was Cuba. But I really don't have a dog in that fight, long as my drink is cold.

Factory Sample Not For Sale (Factory Sample Not For Sale), Friday, 1 December 2006 01:12 (seventeen years ago) link

ALL YR MUSIC CRITIX R BELONG TO US!

Aaron W (Aaron W), Friday, 1 December 2006 04:33 (seventeen years ago) link

WTF nu-Ilx blowing my secret identity. HI DERE!

Aaron W (Aaron W), Friday, 1 December 2006 04:35 (seventeen years ago) link

http://sjl-static15.sjl.youtube.com/vi/hgtyl1QezTQ/3.jpg
I still think they could have chosen a slightly better name

Ruud Haarvest (KenL), Friday, 1 December 2006 05:12 (seventeen years ago) link

"Mr. Matos said that anyone who writes regularly about music will be eligible "

Congrats, Paul Edward Wagemann!

bliss (blass), Friday, 1 December 2006 05:40 (seventeen years ago) link

Jackin' Pop - surely gawker media could afford a branding agency in NYC to come up with something more superior
-- DJ Martian

No, I think this is great. I hate Spoonerisms, really hate them, so the name Pazz and Jop always made me feel sick.

SandboxAnna (SandboxAnna), Friday, 1 December 2006 15:00 (seventeen years ago) link

http://blogs.chicagoreader.com/post-no-bills/
A Music Blog by Peter Margasak
"I understand the impulse to create a new forum now that the Voice looks so stupid and clueless. But I don’t see a mass exodus of the old guard from Pazz & Jop happening anytime soon, especially when Christgau says he’s still going to contribute. Now we have two competing critics polls, but isn’t one enough? Most of us get some kind of begrudging kick from compiling these lists—Reader music writers will be submitting their top-fives soon—but the Internet has made the whole enterprise feel like overkill. What was good, even noble, about the Voice poll was that it aimed for a critical consensus, even if the consensus was sometimes mediocre. The zillion lists that will pop up on the Web over the next month or two (and I’ll surely produce a top-40 list for this blog) start to look like a comprehensive catalog of every album released the previous year, which makes the utility of lists questionable. And it looks like those lists are only going to keep propagating more lists.

Being that the Idolator is a Web-only publication, I suspect that some veteran critics won’t be involved in Jackin' Pop—more out of laziness that anything else—and I'll bet that if it does take root it will skew more toward younger bands; I doubt the new Yusuf album will turn up anywhere. My ego will probably guarantee my participation, if only to make sure Olivia Block gets represented, but I still yearn for the days when too much information was just that, not the current mental detonation every new Web page threatens to create."

cornyrocker (DC Steve), Friday, 1 December 2006 15:22 (seventeen years ago) link

That is one grumpy post.

tim ellison (tim ellison), Friday, 1 December 2006 17:27 (seventeen years ago) link

Being that the Idolator is a Web-only publication, I suspect that some veteran critics won’t be involved in Jackin' Pop

People like this irritate me.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 1 December 2006 17:29 (seventeen years ago) link

mental detonations, huh? how crass.

Euai Kapaui (tracerhand), Friday, 1 December 2006 17:33 (seventeen years ago) link

Grumpy, but he has a point; Pazz & Jop doesn't serve exactly the same function now that things like metacritic and rateyourmusic exist. Those venues can't deliver the snarky crit bits and Christgau's impenetrable article, but will the VV?

Nu-Edward III (edward iii), Friday, 1 December 2006 17:40 (seventeen years ago) link

How many posts will the thread on Harvilla's Pazz & Jop essay get? Place yr bets now.

Nu-Edward III (edward iii), Friday, 1 December 2006 17:42 (seventeen years ago) link

14

hank s1ockli (hanks1ockli), Friday, 1 December 2006 17:52 (seventeen years ago) link

...thousand

nate patrin (natepatrin), Friday, 1 December 2006 17:55 (seventeen years ago) link

www.myspace.com/62915076

Dom Passantino (DomPassantino), Friday, 1 December 2006 18:18 (seventeen years ago) link

Rob Harvilla's Schools

Elkton High
Elkton,Maryland
Graduated: N/A
Student status: Alumni
Clubs: Mother fuckers were lucky I went!

deep space nine (deep space nine), Friday, 1 December 2006 18:20 (seventeen years ago) link

That's fucking ridiculous.

Nu-Edward III (edward iii), Friday, 1 December 2006 22:00 (seventeen years ago) link

woah. that sux. seems pretty meanspirited.

M@tt He1ges0n (Matt Helgeson), Friday, 1 December 2006 23:10 (seventeen years ago) link

really not very surprising by this point.

scott seward (121212), Friday, 1 December 2006 23:30 (seventeen years ago) link

ridiculous x2.

sleeve (sleeve), Friday, 1 December 2006 23:37 (seventeen years ago) link

another good reason to boycott pazz and jop

deep space nine (deep space nine), Friday, 1 December 2006 23:44 (seventeen years ago) link

TBH I reckon a huge rig of the votes in favour of someone totally out of the blue* that showed the P&J/Christgau/Eddy agenda was alive and well would have been the best way forward, but 'Jackin' Pop' is a pretty cool name, however long it lasts.

*Either that or a rush of votes on something totally shonky, like the Sandi Thom album.

Matt DC (Matt DC), Saturday, 2 December 2006 00:03 (seventeen years ago) link

as bad and hated as they are, sort of sux for a free-lancer to be banned from their empire, no?

Track ideas for Matos charity record?

bliss (blass), Saturday, 2 December 2006 03:21 (seventeen years ago) link

http://medjeti.com/img/wahmbulance.jpg

friday (lfam), Saturday, 2 December 2006 03:28 (seventeen years ago) link

i'm glad i was never around to remember when the voice was good

friday (lfam), Saturday, 2 December 2006 03:29 (seventeen years ago) link

Oh now that is just silly. Banning? Over a poll? Someone in that media group realy needs to grow up. Good luck Matos.

SandboxAnna (SandboxAnna), Sunday, 3 December 2006 15:39 (seventeen years ago) link

i think it's great that it's been called "banning" rather than the more unsavory "blacklisting."

that times article was fascinating in that it asked whether critics were "important" anymore. i use adblocker, so i don't know, but are pitchfork and its ilk still selling ads? even if it has nothing to do with the actual writers, people love year-end lists, so of course they'll check out both polls!

blackmailismylife (blackmailismylife), Sunday, 3 December 2006 15:50 (seventeen years ago) link

Being that the Idolator is a Web-only publication, I suspect that some veteran critics won’t be involved in Jackin' Pop

Those are probably the same people who talk about U2 being "important" so uh good riddance...

Leon Czolgosz (Leon), Sunday, 3 December 2006 18:08 (seventeen years ago) link

Reading Kenan's posts on this thread is like an exercise in lack of understanding computers.

Something with a database backend, obviously. The Pazz and Jop polls list the albums and who voted for them, along with critics and what albums they voted for -- all as static content pages. This could very easily be done dynamically or at least programatically to generate the pages instead of using static content. That also opens it up to showing which albums critics that voted for album X were also likely to vote for and create a basis for analyzing trends all within the main site.

[...]

-- mh (neupun...) (webmail), November 29th, 2006 4:28 PM. (mike h.) (later) (link)

Maybe we're not on the same page. You can do all of that with Movable Type.

-- whoop de doodle (fluxion2...) (webmail), November 29th, 2006 4:30 PM. (kenan) (later) (link)

LOL

jw (ex machina), Sunday, 3 December 2006 19:27 (seventeen years ago) link

The New Times' efforts to stop this new poll and Matos are so fucking comical.

jw (ex machina), Sunday, 3 December 2006 19:30 (seventeen years ago) link

I think ILM needs to get together and re-record "We Are The World" -- retooled to include references to Matos, Christgau, New Times Media, etc etc...

where are you taking us on this godforsaken cruise? (theoreticalgirl), Sunday, 3 December 2006 23:54 (seventeen years ago) link

Does Matos know it's Christmas?

Rodney Von Bushwickin The Barbarian Mother-Funky Stay High Dollar Billster (Rodn, Sunday, 3 December 2006 23:59 (seventeen years ago) link

"Do They Know It's Christgau"

I Am Curious (George) (Slight Return) (Rock Hardy), Monday, 4 December 2006 00:05 (seventeen years ago) link

It's Christgau time,
there's no need to be a sop
At Christgau time,
we rank good stuff via Jackin' Pop
And in our poll of plenty
we can spread ratings of joy
Blog your votes around the web
at Christgau time.

But say a prayer,
pray for Mike Lacey
At Christgau time...
...it's hard, but when you say O RLY?
There's a world outside your LJ,
And it's New Media's world of gross
Where the only action going
is the blacklisting of Matos
And the Christgau polls that show there
are the clanging chimes of doom
Well tonight thank Chuck it's them
instead of you!

And there won't be P&J voters this Christgau time
The greatest writer they'll get this time is Hilburn
Where nothing ever grows
Just more endless Bono
Do they know it's Christgau time at all?

Here's to you flame a thread for everyone
Here's to them tallying a really bad number one
Do they know it's Christgau time at all?

Free Matos!
Free Matos!
Free Matos!
Let them know it's Christgau time again

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 4 December 2006 01:52 (seventeen years ago) link

i'm afraid that sucked

Susan Douglas (Susan Douglas), Monday, 4 December 2006 02:04 (seventeen years ago) link

Sonned :(

jim (jim), Monday, 4 December 2006 02:23 (seventeen years ago) link

Hey, write a better one if you like.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 4 December 2006 02:39 (seventeen years ago) link

only BofA middle management can save us

Susan Douglas (Susan Douglas), Monday, 4 December 2006 02:45 (seventeen years ago) link

So long as we don't have to suffer through the David Cross ironic reappreciation.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 4 December 2006 02:58 (seventeen years ago) link

OTM&amen

Susan Douglas (Susan Douglas), Monday, 4 December 2006 03:02 (seventeen years ago) link

Have you heard about Michelangelo Matos?
He's leading the Pacific Northwest team

Ruud Haarvest (KenL), Monday, 4 December 2006 03:26 (seventeen years ago) link

out in NY they destroyed the old regime
making way for a keen mean bespeckled potato dumpling

ack!

Susan Douglas (Susan Douglas), Monday, 4 December 2006 03:38 (seventeen years ago) link

its a tribute tho

Susan Douglas (Susan Douglas), Monday, 4 December 2006 03:40 (seventeen years ago) link

And it's one poll
One chart
We get to tally each other
Tally each other

Ruud Haarvest (KenL), Monday, 4 December 2006 03:42 (seventeen years ago) link

THATS SO NICE

Susan Douglas (Susan Douglas), Monday, 4 December 2006 03:43 (seventeen years ago) link

Has anybody been sent either ballot yet?

cornyrocker (DC Steve), Monday, 4 December 2006 05:44 (seventeen years ago) link


http://www.idolator.com/tunes/top/jackin-pop-update-not-that-we-care-but-none-of-us-will-be-writing-for-the-village-voice-anytime-soon-218041.php

"We figured that the people over at New Times Media--the company responsible for putting the "ill" in the Village Voice--would be a little pissy about our announcement of the Jackin' Pop Critics Poll; what we didn't realize was that they'd be such thin-skinned weenies about it: We've been told that an email is circulating among New Times staffers that not only talks up how great their poll is going to be this year, but also warns its staffers not to vote in our poll! So let's get this straight: A company responsible for putting out alt-weeklies--supposedly a place where you go to find independent-minded writing and reporting--is essentially putting a gag order on its staff. Yay, corporate interests trumping employees' right to free speech! Yay, bad journalism!"

cornyrocker (DC Steve), Monday, 4 December 2006 15:41 (seventeen years ago) link

Has anybody been sent either ballot yet?

Just received my P&J ballot.

jaymc (jaymc), Monday, 4 December 2006 18:19 (seventeen years ago) link

"Pweez fill out our ballot, even if you hate us !"

Leon Czolgosz (Leon), Monday, 4 December 2006 18:27 (seventeen years ago) link

That is a paraphrase, btw.

Leon Czolgosz (Leon), Monday, 4 December 2006 18:27 (seventeen years ago) link

jaymc, you should reply with a ballot filled with nothing but obscure morricone soundtracks.

deep space nine (deep space nine), Monday, 4 December 2006 18:32 (seventeen years ago) link

x-post

from comments on the zoilus blog:

"Dennis Lim is reviving the Voice's equally valuable film critics poll on indiewire"

cornyrocker (DC Steve), Monday, 4 December 2006 18:34 (seventeen years ago) link

I will give $10 to anyone who votes 30 points to Hinder in Pazz and Jop.

Jesus Dan (dan perry), Monday, 4 December 2006 19:16 (seventeen years ago) link

Those are probably the same people who talk about U2 being "important" so uh good riddance...

Well, I think the fact that the P&J featured the young hip critics and the older folks made P&J interesting. For those of us who enjoy trad rock and roots in addition to other stuff, the more seasoned critics were more likely to introduce us to something along those lines instead of the flavors of the era, in my opinion.

Michael (Oakland Mike), Monday, 4 December 2006 19:40 (seventeen years ago) link

"As many of you know, this has been a year of some tumult at the Voice. Most prominently, though he'll be voting in this year's Pazz & Jop, this will be the first poll in its 33- (or 34-) year history not to be compiled and organized by Robert Christgau, who created it, embodied it, and deserves all credit for its success. I have the highest respect for Bob, who has always been kind and gracious to me. I think what he started here is fantastic and vital, and worth preserving and continuing."

Mike McGonigal (yetimike), Monday, 4 December 2006 19:41 (seventeen years ago) link

*sound of jackboots marching in the hall*

Nu-Edward III (edward iii), Monday, 4 December 2006 19:44 (seventeen years ago) link

freelance work will set you free

deep space nine (deep space nine), Monday, 4 December 2006 19:49 (seventeen years ago) link

I am totally serious (at least until I have to pay more than $100) BTW

Jesus Dan (dan perry), Monday, 4 December 2006 20:05 (seventeen years ago) link

fuxors haven't sent me a ballot yet but dan i am totally taking you up on that. assuming i'm not blacklisted for no apparent reason, i'm planing to vote for sonic youth's kill yr. idols and other than that i'm totally open, so anything else ppl want me to vote for i'm in. have hoobastank released something this year? maybe i should just vote for all k-fed tracks in singles.

sterl clover (s_clover), Monday, 4 December 2006 20:30 (seventeen years ago) link

do me a favor and drop high votes on ooioo and any diamanda galas album.

deep space nine (deep space nine), Monday, 4 December 2006 20:35 (seventeen years ago) link

I am weighing protest vote vs. not voting. The latter seems like the "grown-up" thing to do; the former gives me a chance to nominate cornball title permutations of records I don't like (i.e. Whatever People Say Oi Is, That's Wot I Aren't, An' They Sez Oi'm a Brilliant Yoong Songwretter).

nate patrin (natepatrin), Monday, 4 December 2006 20:37 (seventeen years ago) link

Nate, would you like $10???

Jesus Dan (dan perry), Monday, 4 December 2006 20:41 (seventeen years ago) link

Only if I can call the Hinder record And By That We Mean the Buttocks

nate patrin (natepatrin), Monday, 4 December 2006 20:41 (seventeen years ago) link

8 GUARANTEED SPOTS LEFT, PEOPLE

Jesus Dan (dan perry), Monday, 4 December 2006 20:43 (seventeen years ago) link

Tempting...

jaymc (jaymc), Monday, 4 December 2006 20:44 (seventeen years ago) link

On the other hand I am sorely tempted to populate my singles list entirely with Dethklok songs.

nate patrin (natepatrin), Monday, 4 December 2006 20:45 (seventeen years ago) link

HINDER 2006 - U KNOW IT MAKES SENSE

Leon Czolgosz (Leon), Monday, 4 December 2006 21:14 (seventeen years ago) link

x-post

Matos had an article in the Voice the week before the announcement of the new poll

http://www.villagevoice.com/music/0647,matos,75086,22.html

cornyrocker (DC Steve), Monday, 4 December 2006 21:17 (seventeen years ago) link

HINDER TO WIN-DER

Leon Czolgosz (Leon), Monday, 4 December 2006 21:22 (seventeen years ago) link

the hinder album should be "Please Mind the Buttocks"

sterl clover (s_clover), Monday, 4 December 2006 21:29 (seventeen years ago) link

Jackin' Pazz and Jop.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 4 December 2006 21:33 (seventeen years ago) link

This is more like tweaking your BCS ballot to avoid a Michigan - OU rematch than burning your draft card. I just deleted the email. Fin.

blackmailismylife (blackmailismylife), Monday, 4 December 2006 21:57 (seventeen years ago) link

DAN PERRY IN SANDBOX PAZZ & JOP PAYOLA SHOCKAH

Nu-Edward III (edward iii), Monday, 4 December 2006 22:23 (seventeen years ago) link

dude i should totally put my ballot on ebay.

sterl clover (s_clover), Monday, 4 December 2006 22:25 (seventeen years ago) link

You might suck the air out of that VU acetate auction, tho.

Nu-Edward III (edward iii), Monday, 4 December 2006 22:31 (seventeen years ago) link

On average, it would take about 30 critics giving an album 30 points each to almost guarantee a top spot on Pazz'n'Jop.

I sincerely think everybody who got a ballot (including myself) should give Hinder's Extreme Behavior 30 points. All it would take is a hundred people who either think the New Times can bite it or think Hinder fucking SLAYS ALL OTHER BANDS, to almost guarantee it as the #1 album of the Nu-Voice's Xgau-free Pazz'n'Jop poll.

Tell your friends!

m1cc1o (m1cc1o), Monday, 4 December 2006 23:51 (seventeen years ago) link

Plus, if the New Times decided to disqualify all ballots that feature Hinder at #1, that would make for some awesome copy.

m1cc1o (m1cc1o), Monday, 4 December 2006 23:51 (seventeen years ago) link

sorry, I meant 100 critics giving the album 30 points each for the top spot, not 30. 30 would place it in the top 20, though.

m1cc1o (m1cc1o), Monday, 4 December 2006 23:53 (seventeen years ago) link

who/what is hinder?

grbchv! (gbx), Tuesday, 5 December 2006 00:02 (seventeen years ago) link

Hinder are a Nickelback-lite combo with a lovely song about the temptations of infidelity called "Lips Of Angel" that made the Billboard top 3 this year. Their album, Extreme Behavior, made the top 10. There is no reason this album and song should not top Pazz'n'Jop this year.

m1cc1o (m1cc1o), Tuesday, 5 December 2006 00:06 (seventeen years ago) link

Released in September 2005, Hinder's Extreme Behavior revives the simpleton riffs and stupid misogyny of 2001 albums from Puddle of Mudd and Nickelback for a whole new batch of undergrads. This isn't even post-grunge — it's straight-up dude rock. The artwork is a triggered response collage of boobs, lingerie, and Jäger, and the music is so obvious that it actually recedes from the ear. Like a stereo left on in the keg room, it's just a chatter of swear words and tuneless electric guitar blab. Austin Winkler sounds like a drunk shouting along with Chad Kroeger, and his lyrics? "Let's go home and get stoned/Cause the sex is so much better when you're mad," "She said she's sorry/With one finger/I said fuck that," "She said she loved the taste of my oh oh oh" — Winkler doesn't even have enough class to fake sounding cool. When Hinder and producer Brian Howes (he co-wrote every song with the band; Nickelback producer Joey Moi also gets a credit) do try a little tenderness, they sound like a bludgeoned Wallflowers ("Nothin' Good About Goodbye"), thudding power ballad torchbearers ("Lips of an Angel"; cue the soaring solo stolen from hair metal), or bumbling Guns N' Roses thieves (the played-out "Sweet Child" rewrite "Homecoming Queen"). Extreme Behavior can't even make it as rote hard rock — it's too insulting to women and your intelligence. That's why it's dude rock instead. Hinder are so egregiously dull they appeal not to fans of music, but fans of high fives.

deep space nine (deep space nine), Tuesday, 5 December 2006 00:08 (seventeen years ago) link

"Lips Of Angel"

Should be "Lips of An Angel" as noted but I like this mistake -- think of pronouncing 'Angel' as the Spanish male name.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 5 December 2006 00:16 (seventeen years ago) link

Oh no, now it's not funny.

Michael Annoyman (Michael Annoyman), Tuesday, 5 December 2006 00:26 (seventeen years ago) link

Released in September 2005

the loophole New Times could possibly use to throw out votes

Al (Alex In Baltimore), Tuesday, 5 December 2006 00:44 (seventeen years ago) link

It broke through this year! They've never disqualified albums released late the previous year before, as long as they get more votes the later year. And god willing, this album will get more vote in 2006 than 2005.

m1cc1o (m1cc1o), Tuesday, 5 December 2006 00:46 (seventeen years ago) link

Hinder Rocks The House

By J. Freedom du Lac
Washington Post Staff Writer
Saturday, December 2, 2006; C01

"Steven Tyler can have his scarves. Austin Winkler, the otherwise Tyleresque lead singer of the ascendant power-rock band Hinder, has a different idea about how a rock star prone to debauchery should properly decorate his microphone stand.

His recipe is simple, but crass: Take multiple brassieres, hang them from said stand and -- voila! -- you have the perfect prop to amplify your status as the new king of swaggering, sexualized rock-and-roll.

During a ragged set Thursday night at the sold-out 9:30 club, Hinder proved that it's quite possible to sound like Aerosmith covering Nickelback, the angsty, power-balladeering, post-grunge band, while misbehaving like the loony, libidinous fruitcakes in Motley Crue."

cornyrocker (DC Steve), Tuesday, 5 December 2006 04:04 (seventeen years ago) link

Where to begin.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 5 December 2006 04:15 (seventeen years ago) link

"I have the highest respect for Bob, who has always been kind and gracious to me. I think what he started here is fantastic and vital, and worth preserving and continuing.
On a possibly related subject, again, comments are still very much active, so fire away on this or any ostensibly musical subject, be you kind and gracious or not."

This is from the ballot. Hmmmmm, Christgau is contributing a ballot for some reason, Matos himself contributed an article that ran in the Voice a few weeks ago, and Harvilla says comments are welcome, so should I submit a ballot with comments in the naive belief that they will print some anti-New Times opinions???

cornyrocker (DC Steve), Tuesday, 5 December 2006 04:26 (seventeen years ago) link

NOTHING HAS "HINDER"ED THE SUCCESS OF THESE ROCKERS

Leon Czolgosz (Leon), Tuesday, 5 December 2006 04:27 (seventeen years ago) link

Google Image Search results 1-18 for "Hinder":

http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/41874000/jpg/_41874764_despaireyewire203300.jpg

a giant mechanical ant (a giant mechanical ant), Tuesday, 5 December 2006 04:32 (seventeen years ago) link

Jesus wept, ffs.

(xpost to the mic stand thing)

Rodney Von Bushwickin The Barbarian Mother-Funky Stay High Dollar Billster (Rodn, Tuesday, 5 December 2006 04:54 (seventeen years ago) link

HERO HARVILLA HAILS HINDER

Leon Czolgosz (Leon), Tuesday, 5 December 2006 05:04 (seventeen years ago) link

I KNOW FROM THEIR COMMERCIALS THAT HINDER IS THE WORST BAND IN RECENT MEMORY

step hen faps (Curt1s Stephens), Tuesday, 5 December 2006 05:14 (seventeen years ago) link

RETURN TO HINDER: ROCK IS BACK

Euai Kapaui (tracerhand), Tuesday, 5 December 2006 11:06 (seventeen years ago) link

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v134/tracerhand/hinderpick.jpg
HINDER FENDER BENDER:
Win hot tour gear here!

Euai Kapaui (tracerhand), Tuesday, 5 December 2006 11:11 (seventeen years ago) link

HINDER RISES FROM THE CINDERS TO WIN PAZZ AND JOP

Leon Czolgosz (Leon), Tuesday, 5 December 2006 14:28 (seventeen years ago) link

HINDER FELLAS' CINDERELLA STORY

Al (Alex In Baltimore), Tuesday, 5 December 2006 14:33 (seventeen years ago) link

My favorite character on Heroes? Mo-HINDER

Leon Czolgosz (Leon), Tuesday, 5 December 2006 21:30 (seventeen years ago) link

MOST HINDER-ESTING BAND IN ROCK??

max (maxreax), Tuesday, 5 December 2006 21:48 (seventeen years ago) link

This is how the Pazz & Jop dies: not with a bang, but a Hinder.

Michael Daddino (epicharmus), Wednesday, 6 December 2006 00:34 (seventeen years ago) link

Gimme Hinder Ock

nathan explosion (natepatrin), Wednesday, 6 December 2006 01:16 (seventeen years ago) link

HINDERSTRY STANDARD

nathan explosion (natepatrin), Wednesday, 6 December 2006 01:17 (seventeen years ago) link

HEIL HINDER

*sound of jackboots marching in the hall*

Nu-Edward III (edward iii), Wednesday, 6 December 2006 01:18 (seventeen years ago) link

This thing will explode like THE HINDERBURG.

Alfred Soto (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 6 December 2006 02:44 (seventeen years ago) link

um. no.

forksclovetofu (forksclovetofu), Wednesday, 6 December 2006 03:25 (seventeen years ago) link

So has Matos sent his Jackin Pop ballots out? I wonder if he got a hold of the Voice mailing list? Is there anything HINDERing his effort?

cornyrocker (DC Steve), Wednesday, 6 December 2006 14:16 (seventeen years ago) link

i'm guessing that vvm aren't exactly charitable with things like their mailing lists.

blackmailismylife (blackmailismylife), Wednesday, 6 December 2006 15:08 (seventeen years ago) link

you know, Hinder's a pretty funny band name.

Ray Cummings (skateboardr), Wednesday, 6 December 2006 16:16 (seventeen years ago) link

SOME KIND OF "HINDER"-FUL

Euai Kapaui (tracerhand), Wednesday, 6 December 2006 16:41 (seventeen years ago) link

JIGGA MY HINDER

Ray Cummings (skateboardr), Wednesday, 6 December 2006 16:42 (seventeen years ago) link

IT'S A "HINDER"FUL LIFE

Leon Czolgosz (Leon), Wednesday, 6 December 2006 19:20 (seventeen years ago) link

HINDER: IT'S WHAT'S FOR ROCKING

Jesus Dan (dan perry), Wednesday, 6 December 2006 21:17 (seventeen years ago) link

HINDERNATIONAL HOUSE OF ROCKCAKES

nathan explosion (natepatrin), Wednesday, 6 December 2006 21:18 (seventeen years ago) link

A PAZZ-Y SHADE OF HINDER

Leon Czolgosz (Leon), Wednesday, 6 December 2006 21:39 (seventeen years ago) link

HINDERBOX CATCHES FIRE

max (maxreax), Wednesday, 6 December 2006 21:58 (seventeen years ago) link

Hi there. You're one of more than 1,500 music writers we're inviting to contribute to the Idolator 2006 Jackin' Pop Critics Poll.

This is our inaugural year, and we're aiming to create the most comprehensive poll of its kind. To this end, we're asking you to vote in four categories. Should you feel inclined, we're also asking for demographic information and comments about your lists and anything else music-related you feel like discussing about 2006.

To make voting easy, we've devised a special web page accessible via a link at the bottom of this email. There, you'll be able to vote in the following categories: ALBUMS (10 selections), TRACKS/SINGLES (10 selections), REISSUES (5 selections), and ARTISTS (5 selections). For ALBUMS, you can choose between buttons marked DESCENDING VOTES (which awards your selections point totals of 15-14-13-12-11-9-8-7-6-5) and 10 EACH. If you choose neither, your ballot will default to 10 Each for each album. (If you are voting for a various artists compilation, please put "v/a" in the "Artists" box; this goes for both Albums and Reissues.)

The TRACKS, REISSUES, and ARTISTS ballots are unweighted--one vote equals one point. With ARTISTS, you can be imaginative if you'd like: songwriters, producers, industry folks, DJs, VJs, corporations, technologies, web presences, and trends are as eligible here as singers and bands.

The demographic questions are optional, but the more info we get, the more interesting the tabulated results will be. Here, choose from the pull-down menus accompanying the five questions (age, race, sex, region, and primary writing outlets). We're obviously interested in general consensus, but the data generated by the demographic questions should be interesting. Below those questions, the ballot includes a box for comments. Write as much (or as little) as you feel like here; just be aware that what you write will be visible online as part of your ballot when the results go public.

ALL BALLOTS ARE DUE WEDNESDAY, DECEMBER 13. At the bottom of the ballot, there are two buttons. Clicking HOLD BALLOT lets you save your ballot for later editing. LOCK BALLOT submits your ballot to us. All ballots automatically lock at 12:01 a.m. EST on Thursday, December 14; you can't alter your ballot once it's locked, so please don't click LOCK BALLOT until everything looks the way you want it to.

We're really excited about this, and based on the number of people who've expressed interest in participating and on their accompanying comments, we think you might be too. We hope so. Thanks for being part of this, and have a wonderful holiday and 2007.

Raw Patrick (Raw Patrick), Wednesday, 6 December 2006 22:52 (seventeen years ago) link

The online interface is a helluva lot better than P&J.

jaymc (jaymc), Wednesday, 6 December 2006 22:53 (seventeen years ago) link

i never did get my ballot

deep space nine (deep space nine), Wednesday, 6 December 2006 22:54 (seventeen years ago) link

Waaah, sob, etc.

Michael Daddino (epicharmus), Thursday, 7 December 2006 01:14 (seventeen years ago) link

'Laid Off? Get Yourself Some Crunk!'

forksclovetofu (forksclovetofu), Thursday, 7 December 2006 01:18 (seventeen years ago) link

OH MY GOD, that piece. Someone braver than me please start the thread for that.

forksclovetofu (forksclovetofu), Thursday, 7 December 2006 01:20 (seventeen years ago) link

"As the faux gangsta turned b-movie clown Ice Cube puts it, eloquently and obscenely: "If you're scared bleepa bleepa, go to church'."

forksclovetofu (forksclovetofu), Thursday, 7 December 2006 01:22 (seventeen years ago) link

Wow, I can see why people would protest over him being let go from his job.

Dom Passantino (DomPassantino), Thursday, 7 December 2006 01:24 (seventeen years ago) link

anything that gets crunk hits into the homes of america is ok by me.

tipsy mothra (tipsy mothra), Thursday, 7 December 2006 01:31 (seventeen years ago) link

Dude, if you don't like listening to Larry King (for all intents and purposes) earnestly raving about Crunk Hits, Vol. 2 on NPR, I feel sorry for you.

Hinder is better though. HINDER!

m1cc1o (m1cc1o), Thursday, 7 December 2006 02:48 (seventeen years ago) link

Haha or rather, "if you don't like the idea of Larry King..."

m1cc1o (m1cc1o), Thursday, 7 December 2006 02:48 (seventeen years ago) link

I'm pretty sure that's Mannie Fresh on the BG chorus, though.

m1cc1o (m1cc1o), Thursday, 7 December 2006 02:49 (seventeen years ago) link

that's pronounced "little known artist BG" micc.

forksclovetofu (forksclovetofu), Thursday, 7 December 2006 02:52 (seventeen years ago) link

ahahaa: Xgau to Times New Media -- Y'all bitches get off my dick.

(also, I have ballots for NEITHER poll at the moment. :-( )

sterl clover (s_clover), Thursday, 7 December 2006 05:23 (seventeen years ago) link

i requested a jackinpop ballot and all i got was this pazznjop ballot. don't make me use it!

tipsy mothra (tipsy mothra), Thursday, 7 December 2006 05:26 (seventeen years ago) link

also, xgau explaining crunk for the npr listenership was by far the best thing on all things considered today (otherwise full of jim baker saving the world or whatever).

tipsy mothra (tipsy mothra), Thursday, 7 December 2006 05:28 (seventeen years ago) link

I've had both ballots through. I filled out the Matos one. Much better layout and better categories.

Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Thursday, 7 December 2006 09:31 (seventeen years ago) link

i was hoping for a jackin pop ballot but it doesnt look like i got one.... guess ill have to make my own poll: poppin' jack. SUCKA DOGG.

max (maxreax), Thursday, 7 December 2006 09:53 (seventeen years ago) link

I'd completely forgotten about the BG song, which is sad because it has the best hook of the year (but otherwise isn't that great).

Rodney and His Gang vs. Mr. Tooth Decay (Rodney J. Greene), Thursday, 7 December 2006 10:15 (seventeen years ago) link

No Jackin' pop ballot for me (yet either). Maybe I will use my pazz n jop one.

cornyrocker (DC Steve), Thursday, 7 December 2006 13:53 (seventeen years ago) link

Don't let the New Times corporate weenies in charge of pnj HINDER your right to vote.

Leon Czolgosz (Leon), Thursday, 7 December 2006 14:00 (seventeen years ago) link

i got ballots for both. still on the fence about contributing to either (never voted in PnJ before). i kind of feel like participating in these things would be the last straw where i could never again pretend i'm not a rock critic. plus i don't feel strongly about (m)any albums this year to the point that i really want to help boost their placements.

Al (Alex In Baltimore), Thursday, 7 December 2006 14:38 (seventeen years ago) link

ahahaa: Xgau to Times New Media -- Y'all bitches get off my dick.

Which kinda makes me wonder why he's still bothering to send in a Pazz'n'Jop ballot (if he really is, as Harvilla's e-mail implied). Maybe his desire to see Pazz'n'Jop live on after him is enough to make him put aside why it's already "after" him. If his Consumer Guide was still around, I'd have a better sense of what he thinks of Hinder.

m1cc1o (m1cc1o), Thursday, 7 December 2006 14:46 (seventeen years ago) link

Yeah, I could it being beneficial to his Deanhood to feel like he created a sturdy institution that will live on well after he's stopped running it or passed away or whatever.

Al (Alex In Baltimore), Thursday, 7 December 2006 14:49 (seventeen years ago) link

I submitted the exact same ballot to both - here 'tis:
Amon Amarth, With Oden On Our Side
Celtic Frost, Monotheist
Ornette Coleman, Sound Grammar
Decapitated, Organic Hallucinosis
Deicide, The Stench Of Redemption
The Melvins, A Senile Animal
Napalm Death, Smear Campaign
Razor X Productions, Killing Sound
Various Artists, Total 7
David S. Ware, BalladWare

Phil Freeman (unperson), Thursday, 7 December 2006 16:13 (seventeen years ago) link

I submitted mine this morning. Slightly different to my Stylus list, but only cos I listened to Sonic Youth and Ali Farka Toure again recently, and jacked them up.

Sick Mouthy (sickmouthy), Thursday, 7 December 2006 16:15 (seventeen years ago) link

and you voted for Wildflowers in Matos' reissues section, right? (xpost)

Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Thursday, 7 December 2006 16:18 (seventeen years ago) link

If you requested and/or expect a ballot and it didn't show, email tips@idolator.com and cc matos@idolator.com so we can figure it out. We sent a lot of ballots out, and a few got lost. Thanks. (And if you've already emailed me and didn't get a reply, it's because I forwarded it to a Gawker person who can resend it. They've got the passcodes, I don't.)

Matos-Webster Dictionary (wkwkwk), Thursday, 7 December 2006 17:28 (seventeen years ago) link

> and you voted for Wildflowers in Matos' reissues section, right?

Wildflowers the 3CD or 5LP set of loft jazz? I didn't know it had been reissued again. The version I have is from 2001 or so, on Knitting Factory Works.

Phil Freeman (unperson), Thursday, 7 December 2006 17:28 (seventeen years ago) link

Phil, did anything you hear for Global Rhythms almost make your list?

cornyrocker (DC Steve), Thursday, 7 December 2006 20:50 (seventeen years ago) link

Yeah, Naçao Zumbi's Futura and Mariem Hassan's Deseos both nearly made my non-world Top Ten. I did include the NZ disc in the Top Ten I sent the Wire (which omitted Amon Amarth and Napalm Death and had NZ and Nachtmystium, but was otherwise the same as the one above).

Phil Freeman (unperson), Thursday, 7 December 2006 21:13 (seventeen years ago) link

Consumer Guide's back at msn:

http://music.msn.com/music/consumerguide

Thus Sang Freud (Thus Sang Freud), Friday, 8 December 2006 18:38 (seventeen years ago) link

WOOT

m1cc1o (m1cc1o), Friday, 8 December 2006 20:03 (seventeen years ago) link

Great news. I'm not the biggest Xgau-head, but it's nice to think all the great work he's done & the reputation he's established is still worth something to somebody.

MarkRichardson (Mark R), Monday, 11 December 2006 13:51 (seventeen years ago) link

Yet to be submitted to either; let me know if I'm missing anything and please tell me how to narrow my 11 to 10
And, incidentally, if everybody wants to vote for Katamari on the Funk as a protest, I can certainly get with that. This is my third year votin' Katamari and I'll keep doing it until the movement takes off.


singles:

1 : Christina Aguilera - Ain't No Other Man
2 : Gnarls Barkley - Crazy
3 : Clipse with Bilal - Nightmares
4 : Nadiya - Tous Ces Mots
5 : Prince - Black Sweat
6 : TI - What You Know
7 : Snook - Snook Svett Och Tarar
8 : Birdman and Lil Wayne - 1st Key
9 : The Knife - We Share Our Mother's Health
10 : NOMO - Fourth Ward
11 : Katamari Soul Trains - Katamari on the Funk

Some close calls:

Chamillionaire - Ridin' Dirty
Ciara with Chamillionaire - Get Up
Common Market - Connect For
Esperanza Spalding - Mompouana
The Coup - I Love Boosters!
E 40 with T Pain and Kandi G - U and Dat
The Coup - Laugh/Love/Fuck
Ghostface with Trife - Be Easy
Elvis Costello and Allen Toussaint - Freedom for the Stallion
E 40 with B Legit and Stressmatic - Gouda
Weird Al Yankovic - White and Nerdy
Milosh - I'm Trying
Nelly Furtado with Attitude - Afraid
Rascal Flatts - What Hurts the Most
Lady Sovereign - Love Me or Hate Me (Missy Elliott Remix)
Alex Lilly and Colorforms - Green and White Stripes
Beyonce - Get Me Bodied
Bertine Zetlitz - 500
Rodrigo y Gabriela - Orion
Rick Ross - Hustlin'
Ratatat - Wildcat
The Gossip - Standing in the Way of Control
J Dilla - Last Donut of the Night
J*Davey - Mr. Mister
Beyonce - Green Light
Cassie - Me and You
Jay Z with Usher and Pharrell - Anything
Lenine - Jack Soul Brasiliero
Malcolm Holcombe - Not Forgotten
TI with UGK - Front Back

albums

1 : Common Market - Common Market
2 : Tom Ze - Estudando O Pagode
3 : Theo Bleckmann and Fumio Yasuda - Las Vegas Rhapsody: The Night They Invented Champagne
4 : Ghostface Killah - Fish Scale
5 : Final Fantasy - He Poos Clouds
6 : J Dilla - Donuts
7 : Girl Talk - Night Ripper
8 : Rodrigo y Gabriela - Rodrigo y Gabriela
9 : Milosh - Meme
10 : Sir Richard Bishop - Fingering the Devil
11 : TI - King

Some close calls:

Lady Sovereign - Public Warning
The Del McCoury Band - The Company We Keep
Nellie McKay - Pretty Little Head
Clipse - Hell Hath No Fury
Abigail Washburn - The Sparrow Quartet EP
Beyonce - BDay
Jake Shimabukuro - Gently Weeps
The Knife - Silent Shout
Psapp - The Only Thing I Ever Wanted
Lenine - Lenine
NOMO - Newtones
Nuru Kane - Sigil
The Streets - The Hardest Way to Make an Easy Living
Lil Wayne - Any of about six street tapes...
Prince - 3121
Rick Ross - Port of Miami
Tengir Too - Mountain Music of Kyrgyzstan: Music of Central Asia v. 1

forksclovetofu (forksclovetofu), Tuesday, 12 December 2006 05:09 (seventeen years ago) link

I would LOVE to engage in a round robin mailing of best of discs (either/or singles and/or albums) if anyones up for it.
As a for instance, I haven't heard anything on Phil's list and would really like to... heard nothing but good on the Ornette and Ware and enjoyed seeing Celtic Frost live this year.

forksclovetofu (forksclovetofu), Tuesday, 12 December 2006 05:11 (seventeen years ago) link

I could kick myself for forgetting Tortoise on the re-issues ballot.

Ray Cummings (skateboardr), Tuesday, 12 December 2006 12:57 (seventeen years ago) link

Common Market causes me unseemly amounts of angst. Every backpacker and local scene dude I know has tried to shove them down my throat. I've been stuck seeing them twice and the only enjoyment I got out of either was bemusement at the man-goat's beard.

Rodney and His Gang vs. Mr. Tooth Decay (Rodney J. Greene), Tuesday, 12 December 2006 13:24 (seventeen years ago) link

(Sorry to tear down your heroes, Tofu. I'm such a killjoy.)

Rodney and His Gang vs. Mr. Tooth Decay (Rodney J. Greene), Tuesday, 12 December 2006 13:25 (seventeen years ago) link

Tofu our lists are going to share some common items, but why isn't T.I. up in the top ten? I'm still going back and forth on my lists, going down to the wire, etc.

Matt Cibula (Formerly, the Haikunym), Tuesday, 12 December 2006 13:47 (seventeen years ago) link

Rodney: CM are pretty much unknown in NYC; I heard 'GDang Diggy' on the overhead in a record store and bought it on the spot. "Heroes" is a bit much, but there's not a track on the album that I can think of that isn't worthwhile and I think I ultimately like this album better than the new Coup, if only just barely. Don't know if I'd be in any rush to see em live, though.

Matt, that top 11 isn't really organized by value; I think the TI is in the top ten. Just can't figure out what to prune.

For reissues, I have the Fania series, the blue note Axelrod: The Edge and the Fats Waller three disc. What am I missing?

forksclovetofu (forksclovetofu), Tuesday, 12 December 2006 15:16 (seventeen years ago) link

oh my top reissue is the bob wills box set, #2 might be the four seasons' genuine imitation life gazette

Matt Cibula (Formerly, the Haikunym), Tuesday, 12 December 2006 15:51 (seventeen years ago) link

I can't decide whether "Achso" should be an album or not ...

No Time Before Time (Barry Barry), Tuesday, 12 December 2006 16:06 (seventeen years ago) link

"For reissues, I have the Fania series"

You got sent all of them and you're listing them as one item! Can you burn me a few.

"What am I missing?"

Folk reissues, reggae reissues, punk reissues, African, New Orleans ... Who can afford 'em all or get sent them all...

cornyrocker (DC Steve), Tuesday, 12 December 2006 16:31 (seventeen years ago) link

I think he was looking for specifics.

arthritic hand golden fist (RSLaRue), Tuesday, 12 December 2006 16:37 (seventeen years ago) link

I want to vote for the This Heat box set in reissues, but I never got around to actually listening to it. :(

Whiney G. Weingarten (whineyg), Tuesday, 12 December 2006 18:12 (seventeen years ago) link

i'm stuck on the "artists" category. what are you submitting? [i've got a few entrants - green gartside, scott walker - but not much else.

blackmailismylife (blackmailismylife), Tuesday, 12 December 2006 18:20 (seventeen years ago) link

best reissue evah


http://www.wpwend.com/images/siegedropdeadreissue.jpg

scott seward (121212), Tuesday, 12 December 2006 18:23 (seventeen years ago) link

i'm probably not gonna vote but i'd probably use that category for producers and people who do frequent collaborations/guest appearances. but i guess that's only easy depending on whether you like a lot of rap. (xpost)

Al (Alex In Baltimore), Tuesday, 12 December 2006 18:24 (seventeen years ago) link

AL MAN UP AND VOTE DAMMIT

Matt Cibula (Formerly, the Haikunym), Tuesday, 12 December 2006 18:31 (seventeen years ago) link

[I]i'm stuck on the "artists" category. what are you submitting? [i've got a few entrants - green gartside, scott walker - but not much else.[/I]

1. Prurient
2. T.I.
3. Grizzly Bear
4. P.O.S.
5. Ecstatic Sunshine

Whiney G. Weingarten (whineyg), Tuesday, 12 December 2006 18:33 (seventeen years ago) link

as I kind of indicated upthread, I'm giving myself another year to figure out whether writing 'real' music crit is something I want to take more seriously or more like a habit I want to kick, and in the meantime don't want to commit to any P&J or P&J-like activities that would further confirm my critic status. besides the fact that there's not much music I really liked this year that's enough of an underdog to really want to champion and help their odds in these polls. and that I have no dog in the pro- or anti-New Times fight and am happy to back neither. (xpost)

Al (Alex In Baltimore), Tuesday, 12 December 2006 18:36 (seventeen years ago) link

I left my artists section blank, not having been happy with any permutation of names I'd put in there.

Johnny Fever (johnnyfever), Tuesday, 12 December 2006 18:37 (seventeen years ago) link

another suggestion: fill 'artists' field with people who didn't put out any music this year but whom you still support, should they release anything any time soon

Al (Alex In Baltimore), Tuesday, 12 December 2006 18:43 (seventeen years ago) link

i think i have come to the conclusion that it's a relief to not do pazz & jop. more and more it felt like a chore cuz i am so out of it current single/album-wise. and when i contributed comments and stuff i kinda only did it cuz i contributed to the actual paper, you know, and now that i don't, i don't think it really matters if my token votes get thrown in with all the other stuff that i would never want to hear. i'm just not very listy. i never got matos's thing. but that's okay too, cuzza the above. i'm happy just contributing to Decibel's poll. i write for them every month and i'm just more interested in that stuff to begin with. plus, that's what i hear the most, so i feel like i have more of an actual opinion.

scott seward (121212), Tuesday, 12 December 2006 18:53 (seventeen years ago) link

is the LCD considered single for Jackin' Pop?

JoeMeekly (deyoungn), Tuesday, 12 December 2006 19:46 (seventeen years ago) link

x-post

I saw a Hinder video on VH1 this morning. Ugh.

I did not buy enough or get sent enough reissues this year. Should I believe the hype on Karen Dalton:
"The late Dalton has been the muse for many folk rock geniuses... Her timeless, aching, blues-soaked, Native American spirit inspired multiple musical generations: Bob Dylan: "Karen had a voice like Billie Holiday's and played the guitar like Jimmy Reed." Nick Cave: "She is my favorite female blues singer." Devendra Banhart: "Without a doubt, she is my favorite singer."

cornyrocker (DC Steve), Tuesday, 12 December 2006 19:46 (seventeen years ago) link

I would have contributed to PnJ if they hadn't banned Matos, but they did. I don't really want to be a music critic but I am one. I don't want to care about all this end of year stuff but I do.

I could easily fill out a ballot of ten great albums by women, or ten albums in Spanish (and another for Portuguese), or ten records by people not based in the U.S., or whatever. The problem is bringing it all together. I might be up all night. I think this is fun.

Categories I will continue to neglect through ignorance/exhaustion: metal (even though "the best metal selection in the midwest" is five minutes from my house, I can never remember Skot's favorite records when I'm there), British rawk, current country (I gave up this year), MySpace pop, gangsta rap (I guess T.I. kinda counts but not really, Chingo gets kinda gully on his mextape but not sure if I wanna spend a vote on an album that cannot be purchased anywhere, etc.), many more. Lo siento.

Matt Cibula (Formerly, the Haikunym), Tuesday, 12 December 2006 19:52 (seventeen years ago) link

al my advice is run away now

strongo (temp.) (sandboxhulkington), Tuesday, 12 December 2006 20:12 (seventeen years ago) link

another year or so and yr in michael corleone

strongo (temp.) (sandboxhulkington), Tuesday, 12 December 2006 20:12 (seventeen years ago) link

In a moment of slight weakness, out of habit (and possibly boredom), I submitted my P&J ballot.

Andy_K (Andy_K), Tuesday, 12 December 2006 20:33 (seventeen years ago) link

YOU ARE DEAD TO ME KELLM4N

Matt Cibula (Formerly, the Haikunym), Tuesday, 12 December 2006 20:44 (seventeen years ago) link

oh, i just saw that Southern Nights got reissued this year! That'll do.
For the "artists", I'm gonna go with the "you can be imaginative if you'd like" theory and just list what I think impacted my listening and music appreciation the most this year... so ILX will be one of those on there. Youtube, too.

forksclovetofu (forksclovetofu), Tuesday, 12 December 2006 20:45 (seventeen years ago) link

youtube, dude?

hank s1ockli (hanks1ockli), Tuesday, 12 December 2006 20:50 (seventeen years ago) link

YOU ARE DEAD TO ME KELLM4N

I woke up this morning with the head of a dead juggalo beside me (the post-it on its forehead said "U ROT IN HELL KTHXBYE MM"), so try again.

Andy_K (Andy_K), Tuesday, 12 December 2006 20:50 (seventeen years ago) link

Scott did you not get an Idolator ballot?

Matos-Webster Dictionary (wkwkwk), Tuesday, 12 December 2006 21:01 (seventeen years ago) link

OK I re-read Scott's post. One's on the way.

Matos-Webster Dictionary (wkwkwk), Tuesday, 12 December 2006 21:03 (seventeen years ago) link

i asked for one but then again i am not a writer, at least not a music one ; /

deep space nine (deep space nine), Tuesday, 12 December 2006 21:17 (seventeen years ago) link

We've got Scott S. and Phil Freeman writing about international metal, and Phillip Sherburne is down in Chile writing about techno-like stuff on his blog and elsewhere, and Matt Haikunym writing about various international genres, but I wonder how writers/critics from the respective countries are being sent ballots? I guess it might take alot of work for Matos or Harvilla to find out who to send ballots to around the world, and translate the e-mail request for a ballot, or to make the writers do the translating from English and back.

cornyrocker (DC Steve), Tuesday, 12 December 2006 21:41 (seventeen years ago) link

Yeah, Utube dude. I found shit on youtube that I'd been looking for forever this year.

forksclovetofu (forksclovetofu), Tuesday, 12 December 2006 22:22 (seventeen years ago) link

xpost im voting the lcd soundsystem in singles/tracks not albums

max (maxreax), Tuesday, 12 December 2006 22:38 (seventeen years ago) link

the form screws up accents! poor beyoncé i hope the votes for beyonc© still count

lexpretend (lexpretend), Tuesday, 12 December 2006 23:42 (seventeen years ago) link

Everyone should do what that one rock critic did last year in his ballot and vote for nothing but singles. No albums, no artists, no pretentious blurb. Just a nice list of singles.

Mr. Snrub (Mr. Snrub), Wednesday, 13 December 2006 00:33 (seventeen years ago) link

No one's posting their ballots! Here's my singles list (and I voted only for Joanna Newsom and Lansing-Dreiden for albums and only Big Apple Rappin' and Sir Lord Baltimore for reissues):

1. Bob Dylan - "Thunder on the Mountain"
2. Peter, Bjorn and John - "Young Folks"
3. The Pipettes - "Pull Shapes"
4. The Rumble Strips - "Hate Me You Do"
5. Sally Shapiro - "By Your Side"
6. Lillix - "Sweet Temptation"
7. Wynton Marsalis - "Sparks"
8. Home Blitz - "Stupid Street"
9. Momus - "Frilly Military"
10. Lansing-Dreiden - "A Line You Can Cross"

Tim Ellison is number one proponent of Beatle!!!Mania!!! on nu-ILX (tim ellison), Thursday, 14 December 2006 06:19 (seventeen years ago) link

my singles/tracks--still under consideration--waiting until the last minute to finalize:

1. LCD Soundsystem - "45:33"
2. T.I. - "What You Know"
3. Shareefa featuring Ludacris - "Need A Boss"
4. Sally Shapiro - "I'll Be By Your Side"
5. The Game - "Let's Ride"
6. AZ - "The Format"
7. Peter Bjorn and John - "Young Folks"
8. Nelly Furtado featuring Timbaland - "Promiscuous"
9. Fergie - "London Bridge"
10. Gnarls Barkley - "Crazy"

reissues:

1. David Byrne & Brian Eno - My Life in the Bush of Ghosts
2. Vince Guaraldi Trio - A Charlie Brown Christmas
3. V/A - Big Apple Rappin'
4. Weather Report - Forecast Tomorrow

artists:

1. High School Musical
2. Timbaland
3. the Knife
4. Joanna Newsom
5. "Weird" Al Yankovic

max (maxreax), Thursday, 14 December 2006 06:49 (seventeen years ago) link

albums

01 ellen allien & apparat, orchestra of bubbles
02 paris hilton, paris
03 the knife, silent shout
04 ciara, ciara: the evolution
05 v/a, kiki: boogybytes vol 1
06 justin timberlake, futuresex/lovesounds
07 junior boys, so this is goodbye
08 beyoncé, b'day
09 booka shade, movements
10 scott walker, the drift

(tenth spot was rather wide open; fuckpony, e40, clipse and joanna newsom could all easily have taken it)

singles

01 ciara 'promise'
02 cassie 'me & u'
03 ellen allien & apparat, 'way out'
04 pussycat dolls ft snoop dogg, 'buttonz'
05 delia gonzalez & gavin russom, 'relevée' (carl craig rmx)
06 beyoncé, 'ring the alarm'
07 ti, 'what you know'
08 rex the dog, 'maximize'
09 jenny wilson, 'let my shoes lead me forward'
10 cham, 'ghetto story'

(rejigged after i realised that it was almost identical to the albums list - wtf this NEVER happens! - hence no knife, paris, booka shade, justin singles; in retrospect should have voted for 'irreplaceable' but 'ring the alarm' is my jam right now)

artist

01 PARIS HILTON
02 ellen allien
03 ciara
04 gabriel ananda
05 beyoncé

lexpretend (lexpretend), Thursday, 14 December 2006 09:19 (seventeen years ago) link

ah fuck, forgot lindsay lohan as artist :(

lexpretend (lexpretend), Thursday, 14 December 2006 09:21 (seventeen years ago) link

I have to take EA&A's "Jet" over "Way Out"

JoeMeekly (deyoungn), Thursday, 14 December 2006 17:23 (seventeen years ago) link

i'm stuck on the "artists" category. what are you submitting?

Timbaland is easily my #1, the rest I had to think about. Ended up with Joanna Newsom (because I often find HER more interesting than her album), James Murphy (to recognize "45:33," DFA remixes), Owen Pallett (for Final Fantasy and also string arrangements for Grizzly Bear), and Gnarls Barkley (for being the media sensation of the year).

jaymc (jaymc), Thursday, 14 December 2006 17:34 (seventeen years ago) link

i had tim as my no. 1 too, but then i had a conversation with my brother about how much money high school musical made and i figured i had to give some recognition to the disney juggernaut

max (maxreax), Thursday, 14 December 2006 17:35 (seventeen years ago) link

I keep tinkering with my #8-#10 albums. I sort of like that my saved ballot will just be automatically submitted if I don't do anything before tomorrow: I can be passive about it, don't have to ever sign off on the thing.

jaymc (jaymc), Thursday, 14 December 2006 17:38 (seventeen years ago) link

Nice to see all these Timbaland mentions, he's on mine too. My number one choice was Ghost, simply because of their mindblowingly great show at Terrastock that I was front and center at. You can't ask for better.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 14 December 2006 17:54 (seventeen years ago) link

i just locked my ballot, but once it was submitted, the form emptied. i'm hoping that this doesn't mean that my name will appear next to an empty form.

timbaland, scott walker, naeem juwan, green gartside and ornette coleman ended up in my artists category [not in that order.]

blackmailismylife (blackmailismylife), Thursday, 14 December 2006 17:54 (seventeen years ago) link

My top 3 reissues were the Hefner live album, the Hefner best of, and the Hefner b-sides and rarities comp.

Dom Passantino (DomPassantino), Thursday, 14 December 2006 17:58 (seventeen years ago) link

the form empties because it's locked.

Matos-Webster Dictionary (wkwkwk), Thursday, 14 December 2006 18:10 (seventeen years ago) link

matos is gettin' cranky

violent j (sandboxhulkington), Thursday, 14 December 2006 18:16 (seventeen years ago) link

j is gettin' violent

Matos-Webster Dictionary (wkwkwk), Thursday, 14 December 2006 18:19 (seventeen years ago) link

shaggy is getting 2 dope

David RER (Frank Fiore), Thursday, 14 December 2006 19:11 (seventeen years ago) link

Hey Matos, is deadline Friday (as email says) or Monday (as site says)? Trying to prioritize...

forksclovetofu (forksclovetofu), Friday, 15 December 2006 17:06 (seventeen years ago) link

My top 3 reissues were the Hefner live album, the Hefner best of, and the Hefner b-sides and rarities comp.

What's the live one? The Peel Sessions one?

I have listened to fucking loads of Hefner this year, cuz've matters of the heart.

Raw Patrick (Raw Patrick), Friday, 15 December 2006 18:06 (seventeen years ago) link

Monday. 3pm EST

Matos-Webster Dictionary (wkwkwk), Friday, 15 December 2006 18:58 (seventeen years ago) link

Cool, thx.

forksclovetofu (forksclovetofu), Friday, 15 December 2006 19:17 (seventeen years ago) link

the dalton is pretty fuckign awesome, well worth it, i think.

FUCKTHISSHIT (JACKLOVE), Sunday, 17 December 2006 10:52 (seventeen years ago) link

Packin' Jop!

Bimbler (Sourkraut), Sunday, 17 December 2006 11:05 (seventeen years ago) link

What's the live one? The Peel Sessions one?

I have listened to fucking loads of Hefner this year, cuz've matters of the heart.

Yeah, except it's released as "Maida Vail" rather than "Hefner: The Peel Session". Dunno why. Still awesome though, the versions of "Greater London Radio" and "The Day That Thatcher Dies" in particular are just godly.

Dom Passantino (DomPassantino), Sunday, 17 December 2006 20:05 (seventeen years ago) link

Stefan's stats UPDATE 17/12 : BEST ALBUMS OF 2006 (NOW 74 EOY-LISTS INCLUDED) on Acclaimed Music Forum
http://pub37.bravenet.com/forum/3172289350/show/672646

still at number 1: TV on the Radio

DJ Martian (djmartian), Sunday, 17 December 2006 20:42 (seventeen years ago) link

BLAARRRGGHLE

I kick hoosteenical flows/spit spat wahts that (hoosteen), Sunday, 17 December 2006 20:47 (seventeen years ago) link

I got Maida Vale the other day. Until I saw it in a shop I thought it was a collection of all their Peel sessions, rather'n a gig broadcast on the Peel show.

They still need a proper Peel sessions disc then. Maybe for 2007...

Raw Patrick (Raw Patrick), Sunday, 17 December 2006 22:37 (seventeen years ago) link

people who are talking about hefner (!!!) in 2006: die

lexpretend (lexpretend), Monday, 18 December 2006 01:22 (seventeen years ago) link

Lex wants me dead = :(

Raw Patrick (Raw Patrick), Monday, 18 December 2006 09:13 (seventeen years ago) link

Top 10 Albums of 2006

1. T.I. - King
2. Yo Gotti - Back 2 Da Basics
3. Spice 1 & MC Eiht - Keep It Gangsta
4. Boss Hogg Barbarians - Every Hog Has Its Day
5. Lil Wayne & Birdman - Like Father, Like Son
6. DJ Scream & D4L - Only The Crunk Survive 12: Kings of Snap
7. Young Dro - Best Thang Smokin
8. Killer Mike - I Pledge Allegiance
9. Army of the Pharaohs - The Torture Papers
10. The Roots - Game Theory

Top 10 Singles/Tracks of 2006

1. Trae feat. Z-Ro - No Help
2. Bo Hagen feat. D4L, Diamond & Princess - Wuz Up
3. Young Dro feat. T.I. - Shoulder Lean
4. BHI - Do It, Do It
5. Termanology feat. Lil Fame & Papoose - Watch How It Go Down (Remix)
6. Yung Joc - Dope Boy Magic
7. Project Pat feat. Pimp C - Cause I'm A Playa
8. Lil Yola - I Ain't Gon Let Up
9. Ludacris feat. Young Jeezy - Grew Up A Screw Up
10. Unk - Walk It Out

Top 5 Reissues of 2006

1. Incredible Bongo Band - Bongo Rock
2. Lord Finesse - The Awakening
3. Horace Andy - Natty Dread A Weh She Want
4. Just-Ice - Back to the Old School
5. DJ Jelly & MC Assault - Bass Game 4

Top 5 Artists of 2006

1. Aphilliates
2. K-Rab
3. DJ Scream
4. Young Dro
5. DJ Toomp

and what (ooo), Monday, 18 December 2006 18:59 (seventeen years ago) link

Not enough Hefner.

Dom Passantino (DomPassantino), Monday, 18 December 2006 19:03 (seventeen years ago) link

After way too much
deliberation and thought,
my ballot is locked.

Matt Cibula (Formerly, the Haikunym), Monday, 18 December 2006 19:55 (seventeen years ago) link

4. Just-Ice - Back to the Old School

Should have done this

deej (deej), Monday, 18 December 2006 20:53 (seventeen years ago) link

Top 10 Albums of 2006
1. Killer Mike - I Pledge Allegiance to the Grind
2. T.I. - King
3. Mary J. Blige - The Breakthrough
4. Trae - Restless
5. Lindstrom - Its a Feedelity Affair
6. The Dogg Pound - Cali Iz Active
7. J Dilla - The Shining
8. Yo Gotti - Back 2 Da Basics
9. Papa Reu - Life and Music
10. The Game - Doctor's Advocate

Top 10 Singles/Tracks of 2006

1. T.I. - What You Know
2. AZ - The Format
3. Prodigy - Mac 10 Handle
4. Omarion - Icebox
5. Too Short - Blow the Whistle
6. Christina Aguilera - Ain't No Other Man
7. Basement Jaxx - Hush Boy
8. Big Mike and Six 2 feat. Young Bleed - Down Home
9. 50 Cent feat. MOP - I'll Whip Ya Head Boy (Remix)
10. Juvenile - Get Ya Hustle On

Top 5 Reissues of 2006

1. Jiggs and Cheeks - The Don
2. Tom Moulton - A Tom Moulton Mix
3. Coughee Brothers - Collector's Edition
4. Larry Levan - Journey Into Paradise
5. Slum Village - Fantastic Vol. 1

Top 5 Artists of 2006

1. Timbaland
2. T.I.
3. J Dilla
4. Will.I.Am
5. Lil Wayne

I'll be honest I totally did the 'top 5 artists' at the last moment w/ no thought.

deej (deej), Monday, 18 December 2006 21:01 (seventeen years ago) link

I also have no idea if what i voted for in 'reissues' all count as 'reissues' or not.

deej (deej), Monday, 18 December 2006 21:02 (seventeen years ago) link

Man, I was going to finish this last night, but it slipped my mind. So, there's an unfinished matching game on my comments.


Tape Store (Tape Store), Monday, 18 December 2006 22:26 (seventeen years ago) link

okay so who wants the results?

violent j (sandboxhulkington), Monday, 18 December 2006 22:26 (seventeen years ago) link

haha psyche

violent j (sandboxhulkington), Monday, 18 December 2006 22:28 (seventeen years ago) link

after all, i resisted the urge to sell the pitchfork results to idolator

violent j (sandboxhulkington), Monday, 18 December 2006 22:30 (seventeen years ago) link

oops

violent j (sandboxhulkington), Monday, 18 December 2006 22:30 (seventeen years ago) link

STOP SNITCHIN'

f. scott baio (natepatrin), Monday, 18 December 2006 23:34 (seventeen years ago) link

3. Mary J. Blige - The Breakthrough

Real curious to see where the '05 rollover votes put this in Pazz & Jop.

5. Slum Village - Fantastic Vol. 1

It's surprising how this passed by with little notice.

Andy_K (Andy_K), Tuesday, 19 December 2006 01:40 (seventeen years ago) link

yeah i definitely didn't hear the mary j (outside of the 1st single) til mid-Jan.

deej (deej), Tuesday, 19 December 2006 02:47 (seventeen years ago) link

Albums

Charles Mingus, Music Written for Monterey 1965 Not Heard . . . Played in Its Entirety at UCLA
Van Hunt, On the Jungle Floor
Mary J. Blige, The Breakthrough
E-40, My Ghetto Report Card
Tom Ze, Estudando o Pagode
Andrew Hill, Time Lines
Kelis, Kelis Was Here
Ghostface Killah, Fishscale
Basement Jaxx, Crazy Itch Radio
Lily Allen, Alright, Still


Singles/Tracks

Arctic Monkeys, I Bet You Look Good on the Dance Floor
Lupe Fiasco, Kick, Push
Morrissey, Human Being
OK Go, A Million Ways
Pipettes, Your Kisses Are Wasted on Me
Prince, Black Sweat
Rihanna, S.O.S.
Spank Rock, Rick Rubin
Young Jeezy, My Hood
Neil Young, Let's Impeach the President


Reissues

Journey Into Paradise: The Larry Levan Story
A Tom Moulton Mix
The Tommy Boy Story, Vol. 1
What It Is! Funky Soul and Rare Grooves
Jamaica to Toronto: Funk Soul & Reggae 1967-1974


Artists

Andrew Hill
Mary J. Blige
Tom Moulton
Os Mutantes
Jamie Lidell


A Radio Picture (Factory Sample Not For Sale), Tuesday, 19 December 2006 06:55 (seventeen years ago) link

it's the weakest mary record ever though outside the remix albums. i love the girl like crazy but i'm not getting the love.

my idolator list:

beach house, beach house
girl talk, night ripper
liars, drums not dead
yyys, show yr bones
clipse, hhnf
blow, paper tv
rapture, pieces of the people
supersystem, million microphones
camp lo, fort apache: the mixtape
think about life, think about life

lcd soundsystem, 45:33
snowden, like bullets
delorean, time breaks off
t.i., what you know
beach house, master of none
the clipse, wamp wamp
fiery furnaces, benton harbor
gnarls barkley, crazy
justin timberlake, my love
midlake, roscoe

ray barreto, acid
karen dalton, in my own time
tortoise, a lazarus taxon
pavement, wowee zowee
willie colon, el malo

Jams Murphy (ystrickler), Tuesday, 19 December 2006 16:05 (seventeen years ago) link

For one hopeful second there, I thought you wrote your ballot to the tune of "Vogue."

Michael Daddino (epicharmus), Tuesday, 19 December 2006 17:21 (seventeen years ago) link


1. Girl Talk - Night Ripper
2. Keith Fullerton Whitman - Lisbon
3. Ghostface Killah - Fishscale
4. T.I. - King
5. The Melvins - A Senile Animal
6. My Chemical Romance - The Black Parade
7. Young Dro - Best Thang Smokin-
8. Prurient - Pleasure Ground
9. Lavender Diamond - The Calvary Of Light
10. Ecstatic Sunshine - Freckle Wars


1. T.I. - "What You Know"
2. Grizzly Bear - "Knife"
3. Young Dro - "Shoulder Lean"
4. Fergie - "London Bridge"
5. E-40 - "Tell Me When To Go"
6. The Pack - "Vans"
7. The Clipse ft. Pharell - "Mr Me Too"
8. Busta Rhymes ft. Mary J. Blige, Missy Elliot, Rah Digga, Lloyd Banks, Papoose and DMX - "Touch It (Remix)"
9. Shawnna - "Gettin' Some"
10. Kill The Vultures - "Moonshine"

1. Tropicalia
2. Big Apple Rappin': The Early Days Of Hip-Hop Culture In New York City 1979-1982
3. American Hardcore: The History Of American Punk Rock 1980-1986
4. Jean-Claude Vannier - L'Enfant Assassin des Mouches
5. Harvey Milk - Courtesy And Goodwill Towards Men

1. Prurient
2. T.I.
3. Grizzly Bear
4. P.O.S.
5. Ecstatic Sunshine

Whiney G. Weingarten (whineyg), Tuesday, 19 December 2006 17:46 (seventeen years ago) link

1. Girl Talk - Night Ripper
2. Sonic Youth - Rather Ripped
3. Final Fantasy - He Poos Cloud
4. Junior Boys - So This is Goodbye
5. Joanna Newsom - Ys
6. Destroyer - Rubies
7. Grizzly Bear - Yellow House
8. Kaki King - ...Until We Felt Red
9. Herbert - Scale
10. Hot Chip - The Warning

1. Panic! At the Disco - I Write Sins Not Tragedies
2. Nelly Furtado ft. Timbaland - Promiscuous
3. T.I. - What You Know
4. Gnarls Barkley - Crazy
5. CSS - Let's Make Love and Listen to Death From Above
6. Sonic Youth - Incinerate
7. Justin Timberlake - My Love
8. Hot Chip - Boy From School
9. The Killers - When You Were Young
10. Lupe Fiasco - Kick Push

[No votes for reissues: I only heard a couple and they didn't seem worth voting for.]

1. Timbaland
2. Joanna Newsom
3. James Murphy
4. Owen Pallett
5. Gnarls Barkley

jaymc (jaymc), Tuesday, 19 December 2006 17:50 (seventeen years ago) link

nuts, I had the Vannier on my reissues list and then thought it was a 2005 (which, I think it may have been overseas?)

ah well, I forgot Timbaland, too, so it'll hardly be my biggest regret.

scottpl (scottpl), Tuesday, 19 December 2006 18:07 (seventeen years ago) link

1. Ornette Coleman, Sound Grammar
2. Girl Talk, Night Ripper
3. The Mountain Goats, Get Lonely
4. Sunroof!, Silver Bear Mist
5. Ghostface, Fishscale
6. Mossa, Some Eat It Raw
7. Amerie, Because I Love It Vol 1.
8. The Necks, Chemist
9. Liars, Drum's Not Dead
10. Taylor Deupree, Northern

1. Amerie, That's What U R
2. The Fray, Over My Head (Cable Car)
3. Justin Timberlake feat. Timbaland, SexyBack
4. Lily Allen, LDN
5. Erase Errata, Another Genius Idea From Our Government
6. LL Cool J feat. Jennifer Lopez, Control Myself
7. Gui Boratto, Like You (Supermayer Remix)
8. Mat Kearney, Nothing Left to Lose, Promiscuous
9. Nelly Furtado feat. Timbaland,
10. Surkin, Radio Fireworks

1. V/A, American Primitive, Vol. 2
2. V/A, Good For What Ails You: Music of the Medicine Shows 1926-1937
3. V/A, The House That Trane Built: Story of Impulse Records
4. The Dead C., Vain, Erudite and Stupid: Selected Works 1987-2005
5. John Peel and Sheila, The Pig's Big 78s - A Beginner's Guide

1. Ornette Coleman
2. Timbaland
3. Justin Timberlake
4. Robert Christgau
5. Fergie

Michael Daddino (epicharmus), Tuesday, 19 December 2006 18:08 (seventeen years ago) link

albums:
t.i. "king"
bob dylan "modern times"
kelis "kelis was here"
nina nastasia "on leaving"
ghostface killah "fishscale"
lady sovereign "public warning"
boris "pink"
ornette coleman "sound grammar"
nellie mckay "pretty little head"
ooioo "taiga"

singles:
the pipettes "pull shapes"
t.i. "what you know"
beyonce "irreplaceable"
lil jon "snap yo fingers"
my chemical romance "welcome to the black parade"
beyonce "ring the alarm"
amy winehouse "rehab"
webstar/young b. "chicken noodle soup"
basement jaxx "take me back to your house"
chamillionaire/krayzie bone "ridin"

(i guess i liked the kelis/nina n./nellie m. albums more than most people did. and i think lady sov's very good album is being unduly overlooked just because we all heard the songs a year or two ago. or whatever. for reissues i put down all fania stuff; if i'd thought about it longer i would've included this heat and the pretenders. i also feel bad for leaving the dixie chicks off the singles list, cuz i did really like that single.)

tipsy mothra (tipsy mothra), Tuesday, 19 December 2006 18:20 (seventeen years ago) link

How I woulda voted (with albums & singles 10 points each, listed in no particular order):

1. The Rapture, Pieces of the People We Love
2. Mastodon, Blood Mountain
3. Booka Shade, Movements
4. J Dilla, Donuts
5. Ghostface Killah, Fishscale
6. v/a, Mary Anne Hobbs Presents the Warrior Dubz
7. The Coup, Pick a Bigger Weapon
8. Clipse, Hell Hath No Fury
9. E-40, My Ghetto Report Card
10. Comets on Fire, Avatar

1. Escort, Starlight (Darshan Jesrani Parks Dept. Dub)
2. Justice, We Are Your Friends (Lee Cabrera's Lower East Side Mix)
3. Dondolo, Dragon (Shit Robot "Fire Breathing" Mix)
4. Gnarls Barkley, Crazy
5. T.I., What You Know
6. Termanlogy, Watch How it Go Down
7. Too $hort, Blow the Whistle
8. Ne-Yo, Get Down Like That
9. Quiet Village Project, Circus of Horrors
10. P.O.S., Safety in Speed (Heavy Metal)

1. v/a, A Tom Moulton Mix
2. v/a, Big Apple Rappin'
3. v/a, Journey Into Paradise: the Larry Levan Story
4. v/a, What It Is!
5. v/a, Jamaica to Toronto

1. J Dilla
2. Timbaland
3. Ornette Coleman
4. Ghostface Killah
5. Oakland, CA

f. scott baio (natepatrin), Tuesday, 19 December 2006 18:33 (seventeen years ago) link

In reality, "Crazy" shoulda been my #10 now that I think about it.

Whiney G. Weingarten (whineyg), Tuesday, 19 December 2006 18:35 (seventeen years ago) link

i was torn between crazy and ridin' for #10. seemed like crazy should be acknowledged, and it is a sort of readymade classic. but i like ridin' better.

tipsy mothra (tipsy mothra), Tuesday, 19 December 2006 18:40 (seventeen years ago) link

bout time somebody else was feeling 'watch how it go down'

I SEE MYSELF AS THE HOLY RESURRECTION OF PUN

and what (ooo), Tuesday, 19 December 2006 18:53 (seventeen years ago) link

And gay bingo night.

Leon Czolgosz (Leon), Tuesday, 19 December 2006 19:12 (seventeen years ago) link

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v210/alanapost/rancor.jpg

jw (ex machina), Tuesday, 19 December 2006 19:38 (seventeen years ago) link

A lot of Night Ripper love; think it'll crack the top 10?

forksclovetofu (forksclovetofu), Tuesday, 19 December 2006 20:46 (seventeen years ago) link

termanology track is great but i felt weird voting for two premier tracks in 2006.

deej (deej), Tuesday, 19 December 2006 21:03 (seventeen years ago) link

whoa excuse me three premier tracks!

deej (deej), Tuesday, 19 December 2006 21:03 (seventeen years ago) link

premier is 'relevant' as anybody nowadays - the ghostface/clipse voting bloc seems more out-of-touch to me, name the only 1 from those 3 who had a hit this year

and what (ooo), Tuesday, 19 December 2006 21:13 (seventeen years ago) link

of course ill probly eat my words when pusha t hops on next years odd nosdam-produced gorillaz album

and what (ooo), Tuesday, 19 December 2006 21:15 (seventeen years ago) link

I'm in the Ghost + Clipse = top 10 camp (or at least the one that doesn't give half a shit about Joanna Newsom or TV on the Radio or the Arctic Monkeys) but I kinda wonder where the universal acclaim was for Supreme Clientele or Lord Willin' (which were kinda better albums).

f. scott baio (natepatrin), Tuesday, 19 December 2006 21:36 (seventeen years ago) link

premier is 'relevant' as anybody nowadays - the ghostface/clipse voting bloc seems more out-of-touch to me, name the only 1 from those 3 who had a hit this year

i guess this is kinda true, between these and the Blaq Poet cd he's bringing it right now.

deej (deej), Tuesday, 19 December 2006 22:29 (seventeen years ago) link

at least the one that doesn't give half a shit about Joanna Newsom or TV on the Radio or the Arctic Monkeys

FRIEND AND ALLY.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 19 December 2006 22:30 (seventeen years ago) link

"had a hit" /= "relevant"

Make a Beck Song #1 (wkwkwk), Tuesday, 19 December 2006 23:06 (seventeen years ago) link

I kinda wonder where the universal acclaim was for Supreme Clientele or Lord Willin' (which were kinda better albums)

That was when Clipse and Ghostface still had legitimate commercial upside and so didn't need to aggressively market to the indie kidz and associated publications.

Dom Passantino (DomPassantino), Tuesday, 19 December 2006 23:12 (seventeen years ago) link

And Supreme Clientele made quite a few top 10 lists that year.

Alfred Soto (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 19 December 2006 23:22 (seventeen years ago) link

Wu Tang's had this kind of support for a long time, I just wish the album was good enough to deserve it. I mean I think Pretty Toney is great and dude was past his prime on that shit too.

deej (deej), Tuesday, 19 December 2006 23:24 (seventeen years ago) link

'past his commercial prime,' that is.

deej (deej), Tuesday, 19 December 2006 23:24 (seventeen years ago) link

I think the Clipse album is pretty good but every review I read seems to have heard an entirely different album than I did - see the major WTF on pitchfork today where someone compares it to GREEK TRAGEDY

deej (deej), Tuesday, 19 December 2006 23:30 (seventeen years ago) link

And Supreme Clientele made quite a few top 10 lists that year.

it did, yeah. but i'll speak up for whatever minority of us there are (maybe just me) who thought that was the overrated ghost album. all my years of listening to supreme clientele never made me like it as much as i liked fishscale the first time through. i even held off buying fishscale because of my suspicion of ghost-hyping. so, you know. milage varies etc.

tipsy mothra (tipsy mothra), Tuesday, 19 December 2006 23:34 (seventeen years ago) link

No, I agree. SC made my top 10 in 2000 but I fooled myself then into thinking it's the song-by-song masterpiece that Fishscale obviously is.

Alfred Soto (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 20 December 2006 00:05 (seventeen years ago) link

Few songs for me have lived up to the promise that their titles, lead and guests suggest; one that has was Ghost's 'Tush' with Missy Elliott.
Goodness me, it's pleasant.

forksclovetofu (forksclovetofu), Wednesday, 20 December 2006 00:53 (seventeen years ago) link

From what I've read, "Tush" is one of the most divisive rap songs of the last two years. I'm a disco-rap/Missy mark so I'm on the proponents' side. Apparently it hit #1 on Billboard's Dance Charts, too.

f. scott baio (natepatrin), Wednesday, 20 December 2006 02:12 (seventeen years ago) link

"had a hit" /= "relevant"

Quite true all around. Now let me tell you how great the new Cure album will be.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 20 December 2006 02:15 (seventeen years ago) link

Hi, Don Allred here, with a message for today's youth: yall know if you go to our future overlords' http://www.paperthinwalls.com get the real Best Of 2006 right now, or anyway you get lists *and* reviews *and* free music.

Lon Cheney (loncheney), Wednesday, 20 December 2006 02:28 (seventeen years ago) link

Why I'm downloading it all right now! (You can thank Idolator for a mention there...)

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 20 December 2006 02:30 (seventeen years ago) link

No 'Crazy', no credibility.

forksclovetofu (forksclovetofu), Wednesday, 20 December 2006 02:55 (seventeen years ago) link

I think the Clipse album is pretty good but every review I read seems to have heard an entirely different album than I did - see the major WTF on pitchfork today where someone compares it to GREEK TRAGEDY

I really enjoy [i]Hell Hath No Fury[/i] and I've yet to see a review that ain't trippin balls (Ethan's "Mobb Deep with more backpackerish lyrics" dis is actually the best description of why it's great that I've read!)

m1cc1o (m1cc1o), Wednesday, 20 December 2006 03:45 (seventeen years ago) link

My take on it is that they're a little remorseful and fatalistic on occasion but nowhere near as much as everyone says; the overwhelming feeling I get is that they're trying to go for the Miami Vice version of Jack Nicholson's Joker. Which I can see as being potentially annoying as hell.

f. scott baio (natepatrin), Wednesday, 20 December 2006 04:16 (seventeen years ago) link

(At least to some folks. I like it 'cause I like me some self-aware outsize dudes acting ridiculuxe.)

f. scott baio (natepatrin), Wednesday, 20 December 2006 04:17 (seventeen years ago) link

Oedipuss

Lon Cheney (loncheney), Wednesday, 20 December 2006 05:19 (seventeen years ago) link

the Miami Vice version of Jack Nicholson's Joker.

waht

hoo got it for steen, vol. 2 (hoosteen), Wednesday, 20 December 2006 05:21 (seventeen years ago) link

i have no idea what that could possibly begin to mean.

hoo got it for steen, vol. 2 (hoosteen), Wednesday, 20 December 2006 05:21 (seventeen years ago) link

plz to not go lex on me w/firecrotch &c

hoo got it for steen, vol. 2 (hoosteen), Wednesday, 20 December 2006 05:22 (seventeen years ago) link

Post yer ballots, fules!

Tim Ellison is number one proponent of Beatle!!!Mania!!! on nu-ILX (tim ellison), Wednesday, 20 December 2006 05:23 (seventeen years ago) link

I forget mine. You'll see it if you want to when everything goes live.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 20 December 2006 05:25 (seventeen years ago) link

dear paperthinwalls,

thanks for the tunes. that's a real cool idea. i'm digging the mixtapes.

M@tt He1ges0n (Matt Helgeson), Wednesday, 20 December 2006 19:38 (seventeen years ago) link

I think the Clipse album is pretty good but every review I read seems to have heard an entirely different album than I did - see the major WTF on pitchfork today where someone compares it to GREEK TRAGEDY

-- deej

coulda been worse

tsk. (rrrrrtc), Wednesday, 20 December 2006 19:44 (seventeen years ago) link


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