ILM DEATHMATCH #1: BASSISTS

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Based on ILE's cartoon animal deathmatches , here's one for bass players. I picked 31 names and threw in Austin's suggestion of John Norwood Fisher just to be a good sport, then matched them up AT RANDOM. (First time to use my D&D dice in 20 years.) Your favorite might not be in this list, but that's tough because I beat you to making this thread. You might have to choose between your top two favorites in Round 1, but that's tough because dice are cruel. VOTE:

Ron Carter vs. Bill Laswell

Bruce Thomas vs. Charlie Haden

Roy Estrada vs. Lemmy

James Jamerson vs. William Parker

Flea vs. Donald "Duck" Dunn

Tony Levin vs. Barry Guy

John Paul Jones vs. Pete Farndon

Jack Casady vs. Peter Hook

Greg Cohen vs. Geddy Lee

Les Claypool vs. Holger Czukay

Larry Graham vs. Charles Mingus

John Entwistle vs. Jaco Pastorius

John McVie vs. Bootsy Collins

Norwood Fisher vs. Rockette Morton

Dave Holland vs. Willie Dixon

Paul McCartney vs. Robbie Shakespeare

I might let round one go through Monday so workday-ilxors can vote.

― I Am Curious (George) (Slight Return) (Rock Hardy), Saturday, 16 December 2006 03:14 (seventeen years ago) link

It's not really reasonable to put an upright player against an electric player.

― Hurting (A-Ron Hubbard), Saturday, 16 December 2006 03:16 (seventeen years ago) link

I don't see why not.

― I Am Curious (George) (Slight Return) (Rock Hardy), Saturday, 16 December 2006 03:18 (seventeen years ago) link

Cause they're two really different instruments.

― Hurting (A-Ron Hubbard), Saturday, 16 December 2006 03:22 (seventeen years ago) link

I'm mostly just annoyed cause I have to pick between Larry Graham and Charles Mingus, or James Jamerson and William Parker

― Hurting (A-Ron Hubbard), Saturday, 16 December 2006 03:23 (seventeen years ago) link

Yeah, those choices are killing me too. Also McVie vs. Bootsy. But play along!

― I Am Curious (George) (Slight Return) (Rock Hardy), Saturday, 16 December 2006 03:25 (seventeen years ago) link

c'mon dude, no chris squire, wtf?????

― bill sackter (bill sackter), Saturday, 16 December 2006 03:26 (seventeen years ago) link

CTRL-F "WATT"

"PHRASE NOT FOUND"

― nathan explosion (natepatrin), Saturday, 16 December 2006 03:28 (seventeen years ago) link

SHIT SHIT SHIT

I meant to include Watt!

HOLD YOUR VOTES A MINUTE--

― I Am Curious (George) (Slight Return) (Rock Hardy), Saturday, 16 December 2006 03:32 (seventeen years ago) link

Chris Squire is a shocking omission!

(as is Alex James) :P

― I am the best lyrocost since Dylan (Scourage), Saturday, 16 December 2006 03:32 (seventeen years ago) link

Okay, matchup #7 is now John Paul Jones vs. Mike Watt.

Sorry Pete, 2 good records and an overdose do not make a hall of famer!

― I Am Curious (George) (Slight Return) (Rock Hardy), Saturday, 16 December 2006 03:34 (seventeen years ago) link

REVISED:

Ron Carter vs. Bill Laswell

Bruce Thomas vs. Charlie Haden

Roy Estrada vs. Lemmy

James Jamerson vs. William Parker

Flea vs. Donald "Duck" Dunn

Tony Levin vs. Barry Guy

John Paul Jones vs. Mike Watt

Jack Casady vs. Peter Hook

Greg Cohen vs. Geddy Lee

Les Claypool vs. Holger Czukay

Larry Graham vs. Charles Mingus

John Entwistle vs. Jaco Pastorius

John McVie vs. Bootsy Collins

Norwood Fisher vs. Rockette Morton

Dave Holland vs. Willie Dixon

Paul McCartney vs. Robbie Shakespeare

― I Am Curious (George) (Slight Return) (Rock Hardy), Saturday, 16 December 2006 03:35 (seventeen years ago) link

Alex James and Chris Squire can fight it out to see who gets to kiss my ass!

― I Am Curious (George) (Slight Return) (Rock Hardy), Saturday, 16 December 2006 03:36 (seventeen years ago) link

In walks Jannik Top. Surveys the scene. Shakes some hands, and leaves.

― Dominique (dleone), Saturday, 16 December 2006 03:36 (seventeen years ago) link

i'm gonna have my own, with james, squire, colin moulding and mani fighting it out for the unofficial crown. :-D

― I am the best lyrocost since Dylan (Scourage), Saturday, 16 December 2006 03:39 (seventeen years ago) link

i dont know about the deathmatch, but i vote for alex james to kiss i am curious's ass.

― max (maxreax), Saturday, 16 December 2006 03:39 (seventeen years ago) link

Carter
Haden
Lemmy
Jamerson
Dunn
Levin
Watt
Hook
Cohen
Czukay
FUCK! NO FAIR. Mingus.
Entwistle
Bootsy
Morton
Holland
Robbie

― nathan explosion (natepatrin), Saturday, 16 December 2006 03:40 (seventeen years ago) link

Carter
Haden
Estrada
Jamerson
Dunn
Levin
Watt
Casady
Cohen
Czukay
Mingus
Entwistle
McVie
Morton
Holland
McCartney (this actually turned out to be the hardest choice for me)

― I Am Curious (George) (Slight Return) (Rock Hardy), Saturday, 16 December 2006 03:42 (seventeen years ago) link

that guy in Can's pretty good. i guess this means goodbye les claypool, whoever you are.

― I am the best lyrocost since Dylan (Scourage), Saturday, 16 December 2006 03:52 (seventeen years ago) link

omg he's the one from PRIMUS! one of those bands i've always promised i'd listen to but never really got round to it...

― I am the best lyrocost since Dylan (Scourage), Saturday, 16 December 2006 03:55 (seventeen years ago) link

No Cliff Burton, no credibilty.

― Chap (chap), Saturday, 16 December 2006 03:59 (seventeen years ago) link

you also have the wrong Dunn, Trevor of that name being an underrated maestro

― I am the best lyrocost since Dylan (Scourage), Saturday, 16 December 2006 04:01 (seventeen years ago) link

Ron Carter
Charlie Haden
Roy Estrada
James Jamerson
Donald "Duck" Dunn
Tony Levin
John Paul Jones
Jack Casady
Geddy Lee
Les Claypool
Charles Mingus
John Entwistle
Bootsy Collins
Norwood Fisher
Willie Dixon
Paul McCartney

― i spit hoosteenical flows/spit spat what's that (hoosteen), Saturday, 16 December 2006 04:01 (seventeen years ago) link

AND WHERE IS BRIAN GIBSON? You may knock his music, but he plays bass like no other...

― I am the best lyrocost since Dylan (Scourage), Saturday, 16 December 2006 04:03 (seventeen years ago) link

Your favorite might not be in this list, but that's tough because I beat you to making this thread.
Your favorite might not be in this list, but that's tough because I beat you to making this thread.
Your favorite might not be in this list, but that's tough because I beat you to making this thread.
Your favorite might not be in this list, but that's tough because I beat you to making this thread.
Your favorite might not be in this list, but that's tough because I beat you to making this thread.
Your favorite might not be in this list, but that's tough because I beat you to making this thread.

― I Am Curious (George) (Slight Return) (Rock Hardy), Saturday, 16 December 2006 04:13 (seventeen years ago) link

Flea vs. Donald "Duck" Dunn

hahahahahahaha!

― scott seward (121212), Saturday, 16 December 2006 04:43 (seventeen years ago) link

Your favorite might not be in this list, but that's tough because I beat you to making this thread.

ooooh! :P

alex james
chris squire
mani
colin moulding
colin greenwood
jeff caxide
justin chancellor
steve queralt
ben shepherd
trevor dunn
brian gibson
juan alderete

= jagger's alternative line-up!

into 4 groups then, the 2 winners progressing to the quarter-finals. groups chosen alphabetically by surname

GROUP A
juan alderete
jeff caxide
justin chancellor

GROUP B
trevor dunn
brian gibson
colin greenwood

GROUP C
alex james
mani
colin moulding

GROUP D
steve queralt
ben shepherd
chris squire

Group A: well, this was close. but, in the event, Chancellor and Caxide used their former Isis allegiance to gang up upon poor Mars Volta newbie Alderete, who quickly succumbed, himself only having appeared, however brilliantly, on one album. Turning upon each other, the surviving alt-metal bassmen ground each other into the turf with long-winded, near-ambient compositions, until Caxide reminded Chancellor that not only did he play in a band called 'Tool' but that he could never gain the spotlight with attention-hounds MJK and Danny Carey in that self-same band with him. Chancellor promptly gave up, sobbing.

Winner: Jeff Caxide

Runner-up: Justin Chancellor

Group B: Greenwood immediately kicked for being the least talented member of his band except Ed O'Brien who nobody knows how talented he is because we don't know who's playing that particular riff. Greenwood protests, citing 'Climbing Up The Walls' and 'Exit Music' as claims to his own genius. Brian Gibson then blasts out one of Lighting Bolt's more exacting numbers and Greenwood flees, closely followed by Dunn, who doesn't even get this sort of shit from Mike Patton.

Winner: Brian Gibson

Runner-up: Trevor Dunn

Group C: Well, if it isn't a jolly old game of British Bass Bulldog, with the three Limey tykes playing classic 80's and 90's pop-rock in a celebration of all things traditional and, well, jolly. Mani graciously declares his innings closed when it is pointed out how much of a failure all his bands are, and so the rubber is down to a jolly old tiff between James and Moulding, who sip tea and glower at one another over the Daily Express. All of a sudden, picks are drawn at ten paces, the two circle...and according to the Queensbury rules James immediately lands a foul blow when he boasts of his playing on 'Song 2'. Sorry, Alex, but you can do a bit better than that. Moulding has no such crudeness to resort to, ergo the XTC man wins on points. Huzzah!

Winner: Colin Moulding

Runner-up: Alex James

Group D: Chris Squire looks at the other two and bursts out laughing. Fighting to remain in the tournament, Queralt and Shepherd square off, the supposed 'weak links'. It's all much of a muchness (and not exactly pretty to watch) until Shepherd reveals that he wrote 'Head Down', Soundgarden's best song (in the opinion of the not-at-all biased arbiter). Goodbye Steve, but you weren't exactly the reason Ride ever became big, were you?

Winner: Chris Squire

Runner-up: Ben Shepherd

QUARTER-FINALS

Group A winner vs. Group D r-up, and vice versa
Group B winner vs. Group C r-up, and vice versa

Jeff Caxide vs. Ben Shepherd: A short, sharp duel here. Shepherd makes a strong, punishing start but quickly Caxide's versatility gains the upper hand and the grunger is sent tumbling back to 1994 where he belongs.

Winner: Caxide

Chris Squire vs. Justin Chancellor: HAHAHAHAHAHA

Winner: Squire

Brian Gibson vs. Alex James: Cool and calculating versus demonic, berserked and generally off his rocker. Gibson's insane blasts of rocket-fuel riffage are withering, but James holds firm, absorbs the blows, and then chooses from his repertoire 'Essex Dogs', which I'm sure you'll agree is somewhat of an improvement on 'Song 2'. Gibson meanwhile is going so fast that he accidentally implodes.

Winner: Alex James

Colin Moulding vs. Trevor Dunn: Get off it, grandad. Andy was always the talented one. And Patton wasn't (well, not as much as this dude, or Trey Spruance, but that's a different story). 'Drums And Wires' = superb, 'Disco Volante' = WAHT, 'Suspended Animation' = WAAAAHT, WAHT = better than superb. Simple as.

Winner: Trevor Dunn

SEMI-FINALS

Winner 1 vs. Winner 4, Winner 2 vs. Winner 3

Jeff Caxide vs Trevor Dunn: After all that, I don't really care much for either of these two bassists. Ah well, there's always one shit semi-final. Caxide wins for that stretch of music on the new Isis album, 2:14-4:16 of 'Over Root And Thorn'. Dude hasn't got Dunn's technical ability, but he has got some ear for a memorable turn of phrase.

Winner: Jeff Caxide

Chris Squire vs. Alex James: James tries, he really tries, he gives them '1992', he gives them 'Chemical World', he even gives them 'Far Out', which in retrospect might have been a mistake. Squire gazes insouciantly on, puts his veggie burger down, and proceeds to bang out the closing half-minute of 'Sound Chaser'. Alex James runs off screaming. This, ladies and gents, was the good semi-final. Tch.

Winner: Chris Squire

FINAL

Jeff Caxide vs. Chris Squire: Jeff who?

Winner: Chris Squire.

There you have it, conclusive proof that Chris Squire's omission from your list is a scandal, a crime, and a slur, because he's clearly the most important bassist in the history of music. Word!

― I am the best lyrocost since Dylan (Scourage), Saturday, 16 December 2006 05:09 (seventeen years ago) link

Ron Carter
Charlie Haden
Roy Estrada
James Jamerson
Donald "Duck" Dunn
Tony Levin
Mike Watt
Peter Hook
Greg Cohen
Les Claypool
Larry Graham
Jaco Pastorius
Bootsy Collins
Rockette Morton
Willie Dixon
Paul McCartney

These are all impossible! So I'm purposefully going with a lot of dark horses because I know winners are gonna be chosen due to folks afraid of being Mr. Corny Finger-Poppin' Fuxxor.

I'll vote for Jaco over Entwhistle just like I'd vote for Aesop Rock over Paul Wall! So bring it!

― Whiney G. Weingarten (whineyg), Saturday, 16 December 2006 05:19 (seventeen years ago) link

Carter
Haden
Lemmy
Jamerson
Dunn
Levin
Jones
Hook
Cohen
Czukay
Mingus
Entwistle
Collins
Fisher
Dixon
Shakespeare

In a few of these I voted for the only name I knew. Because ignorance is power, or something. Fortunately, in most of those cases I ended up voting for someone I really like anyway.

― a bulldog fed a cookie shaped like a kitten (austin), Saturday, 16 December 2006 07:05 (seventeen years ago) link

Oh wait, I see the revision now. Jones vs. Watt = Watt. Sorry.

― a bulldog fed a cookie shaped like a kitten (austin), Saturday, 16 December 2006 07:14 (seventeen years ago) link

so is victor wooten too good to be on the list? is his supremecy not being questioned here?

― jodawo (jodawo), Saturday, 16 December 2006 08:08 (seventeen years ago) link

Ron Carter in a walk
Charlie Haden
Lemmy
James Jamerson (I think William Parker would agree)
Duck (so far from close that it fails to be funny)
Guy
Watt
Casady (these last two were the hardest ones)
Cohen
Czukay (anyone who says otherwise is probably also hypnotized by shiny objects)
Graham (but only when you concentrate on the bass playing alone, and even then it's close)
Entwistle (an opinion that will get you killed among most bass geeks, despite its obvious truth)
Collins
Rockette Morton
Holland
Shakespeare (even though McCartney co-invented reggae bass with Dunn and Jamerson)

― Colin M (All names have been taken), Saturday, 16 December 2006 09:22 (seventeen years ago) link

I believe in the supremacy of Victor Wooten like I believe that the Easter Bunny's going to bring me Alexandra Maria Lara for Christmas.

― Colin M (All names have been taken), Saturday, 16 December 2006 09:27 (seventeen years ago) link

Ron Carter
Charlie Haden
Lemmy
James Jamerson
Donald "Duck" Dunn
Tony Levin
John Paul Jones
Peter Hook
Geddy Lee
Holger Czukay
Charles Mingus
John Entwistle
Bootsy Collins
Rockette Morton
Dave Holland
Paul McCartney

My apology to funkmeisters Watt, Graham, Fisher

― Scott Bloomfield (Monty Von Byonga), Saturday, 16 December 2006 11:13 (seventeen years ago) link

This is why we need polls on nu-ILM.

― Matt DC (Matt DC), Saturday, 16 December 2006 11:28 (seventeen years ago) link

MARTIN HANNETT

TRY JOHN COOPER CLARKE'S "SLEEPWALK" IF YOU DON'T BELIEVE IT!

― Bimbler (Sourkraut), Saturday, 16 December 2006 11:31 (seventeen years ago) link

No Wobble?

― Ice Ice Cream Baby (The Dirty Vicar), Saturday, 16 December 2006 13:08 (seventeen years ago) link

bassLINE deathmatch!

"If You Want Me to Stay" to win.

― a bulldog fed a cookie shaped like a kitten (austin), Saturday, 16 December 2006 15:07 (seventeen years ago) link

I THINK YOU GUYS ARE SERIOUSLY UNDERESTIMATING THE ARTISTRY OF FLEA!!

― Paul Edward Vagisil (blass), Saturday, 16 December 2006 17:30 (seventeen years ago) link

Carter
Haden
Estrada
Jamerson
Dunn
Levin
Watt
Casady
Cohen
Claypool
Mingus
Pastorius
Collins
Fisher
Holland
Shakespeare

― EZ Snappin (EZSnappin), Saturday, 16 December 2006 17:35 (seventeen years ago) link

Anyone who picks Entwistle over Wacko Jaco makes me cry :*(

― jim (jim), Saturday, 16 December 2006 18:27 (seventeen years ago) link

alex james
chris squire
mani
colin moulding
colin greenwood
jeff caxide
justin chancellor
steve queralt
ben shepherd
trevor dunn
brian gibson
juan alderete
= jagger's alternative line-up!
into 4 groups then, the 2 winners progressing to the quarter-finals. groups chosen alphabetically by surname
GROUP A
juan alderete
jeff caxide
justin chancellor
GROUP B
trevor dunn
brian gibson
colin greenwood
GROUP C
alex james
mani
colin moulding
GROUP D
steve queralt
ben shepherd
chris squire
Group A: well, this was close. but, in the event, Chancellor and Caxide used their former Isis allegiance to gang up upon poor Mars Volta newbie Alderete, who quickly succumbed, himself only having appeared, however brilliantly, on one album. Turning upon each other, the surviving alt-metal bassmen ground each other into the turf with long-winded, near-ambient compositions, until Caxide reminded Chancellor that not only did he play in a band called 'Tool' but that he could never gain the spotlight with attention-hounds MJK and Danny Carey in that self-same band with him. Chancellor promptly gave up, sobbing.
Winner: Jeff Caxide
Runner-up: Justin Chancellor
Group B: Greenwood immediately kicked for being the least talented member of his band except Ed O'Brien who nobody knows how talented he is because we don't know who's playing that particular riff. Greenwood protests, citing 'Climbing Up The Walls' and 'Exit Music' as claims to his own genius. Brian Gibson then blasts out one of Lighting Bolt's more exacting numbers and Greenwood flees, closely followed by Dunn, who doesn't even get this sort of shit from Mike Patton.
Winner: Brian Gibson
Runner-up: Trevor Dunn
Group C: Well, if it isn't a jolly old game of British Bass Bulldog, with the three Limey tykes playing classic 80's and 90's pop-rock in a celebration of all things traditional and, well, jolly. Mani graciously declares his innings closed when it is pointed out how much of a failure all his bands are, and so the rubber is down to a jolly old tiff between James and Moulding, who sip tea and glower at one another over the Daily Express. All of a sudden, picks are drawn at ten paces, the two circle...and according to the Queensbury rules James immediately lands a foul blow when he boasts of his playing on 'Song 2'. Sorry, Alex, but you can do a bit better than that. Moulding has no such crudeness to resort to, ergo the XTC man wins on points. Huzzah!
Winner: Colin Moulding
Runner-up: Alex James
Group D: Chris Squire looks at the other two and bursts out laughing. Fighting to remain in the tournament, Queralt and Shepherd square off, the supposed 'weak links'. It's all much of a muchness (and not exactly pretty to watch) until Shepherd reveals that he wrote 'Head Down', Soundgarden's best song (in the opinion of the not-at-all biased arbiter). Goodbye Steve, but you weren't exactly the reason Ride ever became big, were you?
Winner: Chris Squire
Runner-up: Ben Shepherd

QUARTER-FINALS
Group A winner vs. Group D r-up, and vice versa
Group B winner vs. Group C r-up, and vice versa
Jeff Caxide vs. Ben Shepherd: A short, sharp duel here. Shepherd makes a strong, punishing start but quickly Caxide's versatility gains the upper hand and the grunger is sent tumbling back to 1994 where he belongs.
Winner: Caxide
Chris Squire vs. Justin Chancellor: HAHAHAHAHAHA
Winner: Squire
Brian Gibson vs. Alex James: Cool and calculating versus demonic, berserked and generally off his rocker. Gibson's insane blasts of rocket-fuel riffage are withering, but James holds firm, absorbs the blows, and then chooses from his repertoire 'Essex Dogs', which I'm sure you'll agree is somewhat of an improvement on 'Song 2'. Gibson meanwhile is going so fast that he accidentally implodes.
Winner: Alex James
Colin Moulding vs. Trevor Dunn: Get off it, grandad. Andy was always the talented one. And Patton wasn't (well, not as much as this dude, or Trey Spruance, but that's a different story). 'Drums And Wires' = superb, 'Disco Volante' = WAHT, 'Suspended Animation' = WAAAAHT, WAHT = better than superb. Simple as.
Winner: Trevor Dunn

SEMI-FINALS
Winner 1 vs. Winner 4, Winner 2 vs. Winner 3
Jeff Caxide vs Trevor Dunn: After all that, I don't really care much for either of these two bassists. Ah well, there's always one shit semi-final. Caxide wins for that stretch of music on the new Isis album, 2:14-4:16 of 'Over Root And Thorn'. Dude hasn't got Dunn's technical ability, but he has got some ear for a memorable turn of phrase.
Winner: Jeff Caxide
Chris Squire vs. Alex James: James tries, he really tries, he gives them '1992', he gives them 'Chemical World', he even gives them 'Far Out', which in retrospect might have been a mistake. Squire gazes insouciantly on, puts his veggie burger down, and proceeds to bang out the closing half-minute of 'Sound Chaser'. Alex James runs off screaming. This, ladies and gents, was the good semi-final. Tch.
Winner: Chris Squire

FINAL
Jeff Caxide vs. Chris Squire: Jeff who?
Winner: Chris Squire.

There you have it, conclusive proof that Chris Squire's omission from your list is a scandal, a crime, and a slur, because he's clearly the most important bassist in the history of music. Word!

Louis, you acted all that out with action figures, didn't you? You can tell me.

― I Am Curious (George) (Slight Return) (Rock Hardy), Saturday, 16 December 2006 18:28 (seventeen years ago) link

I kind of regret forgetting about Wobble.

― I Am Curious (George) (Slight Return) (Rock Hardy), Saturday, 16 December 2006 18:34 (seventeen years ago) link

xpost: possibly :-/

― I am the best lyrocost since Dylan (Scourage), Saturday, 16 December 2006 19:38 (seventeen years ago) link

Who the fuck is Alex James?

― jim (jim), Saturday, 16 December 2006 20:11 (seventeen years ago) link

the one going WEEOO-WEEOO as Coxon goes RAAAWR and Albarn is busy WOOHOO-ing.

― I am the best lyrocost since Dylan (Scourage), Saturday, 16 December 2006 20:22 (seventeen years ago) link

Hmm, cunt from Blur.

The bass on "Heart of the sunrise" alone guarantees Squire's immortality for me.

― jim (jim), Saturday, 16 December 2006 20:39 (seventeen years ago) link

Carter
Haden
Estrada
Jamerson
Dunn
Levin
Jones
Casady
Cohen
Czukay
Mingus
Pastorius
Collins
Morton
Dixon
Shakespeare

I had to look Greg Cohen up! All the others were pretty easy, although I'm bummed about Watt.

― sleeve (sleeve), Saturday, 16 December 2006 22:07 (seventeen years ago) link

Watt was included! See the revised ballot about 10 posts down from the top.

― I Am Curious (George) (Slight Return) (Rock Hardy), Saturday, 16 December 2006 22:24 (seventeen years ago) link

As an aside, perhaps it's just that I did a cartoon dog deathmatch so recently, but I keep reading this thread title as

ILM DEATHMATCH #1: BASSETS

― a bulldog fed a cookie shaped like a kitten (austin), Saturday, 16 December 2006 22:25 (seventeen years ago) link

Laswell
Heden
Estrada
Jamerson
Flea
Levin
Watt
Casady
Cohen
Claypool
Mingus
Pastorius
Morton
Dixon
Shakespeare

― John Justen is interested in eating your pet. (John Justen), Saturday, 16 December 2006 22:50 (seventeen years ago) link

colin otm

― Ruud Haarvest (KenL), Sunday, 17 December 2006 00:19 (seventeen years ago) link

I'm bummed about Watt

Watt was included!

No, I meant I was bummed that I had to pick JPJ in that particular deathmatch.

― sleeve (sleeve), Sunday, 17 December 2006 01:48 (seventeen years ago) link

Carter
Haden
Lemmy
Jamerson
Flea
Levin
John Paul Jones
Casady
Cohen
Claypool
Mingus
Pastorius
Collins
Fisher
Holland
McCartney

― lurker #2421 (lurker #2421.1), Sunday, 17 December 2006 06:37 (seventeen years ago) link

Bump -- 30 hours or so left in round 1. I'll tally it up and post round 2 matchups around 10 p.m. tomorrow night. (US Central time)

― I Am Curious (George) (Slight Return) (Rock Hardy), Sunday, 17 December 2006 21:14 (seventeen years ago) link

John Justen, you didn't vote in McVie vs. Bootsy -- intentional?
Currently: five ties and three more at 6-4.

― I Am Curious (George) (Slight Return) (Rock Hardy), Sunday, 17 December 2006 22:49 (seventeen years ago) link

Huh. Looks like you're right...

Bootsy.

― John Justen is interested in eating your pet. (John Justen), Monday, 18 December 2006 00:24 (seventeen years ago) link

wooten may be a cheeseball, and his brother a raving lunatic, but he's still badass.

― baby wizard sex (gbx), Monday, 18 December 2006 00:50 (seventeen years ago) link

Charlie Haden
Lemmy
John Paul Jones
Peter Hook
Geddy Lee
Holger Czukay
Charles Mingus
Jaco Pastorius
Bootsy Collins
Paul McCartney

Omitting the ones I basically am ignorant about.

― jim (jim), Monday, 18 December 2006 00:53 (seventeen years ago) link

not one of you picked larry G over mingus? Sure, Mingus is one of the great composers in music history - but we're talking instrumentalists here -- and Larry graham is the prototype for funk bassists.

― tom bowker (uncle tom), Monday, 18 December 2006 05:18 (seventeen years ago) link

Les Claypool vs. Holger Czukay

I want this to be a BAND. With Stewart Copeland playing drums.

― has been plagued with problems since its erection in 1978 (nklshs), Monday, 18 December 2006 14:21 (seventeen years ago) link

Ron Carter
Charlie Haden
Lemmy
James Jamerson
Flea
Tony Levin
John Paul Jones
Peter Hook
Greg Cohen
Les Claypool
Larry Graham
John Entwistle
Bootsy Collins
Norwood Fisher
Willie Dixon
Robbie Shakespeare

― has been plagued with problems since its erection in 1978 (nklshs), Monday, 18 December 2006 14:24 (seventeen years ago) link

i am really shocked by the omission of Nile Rodgers.

― the table is the table (trees), Monday, 18 December 2006 19:07 (seventeen years ago) link

strike that, i meant bernard edwards

― the table is the table (trees), Monday, 18 December 2006 19:08 (seventeen years ago) link

Dude, Mingus' solos bring the motherfuckin' pain!

― a bulldog fed a cookie shaped like a kitten (austin), Monday, 18 December 2006 20:29 (seventeen years ago) link

I love Graham Central Station but "Haitian Fight Song"? Chills.

― EZ Snappin (EZSnappin), Monday, 18 December 2006 20:39 (seventeen years ago) link

i am really shocked by the omission of Nile Rodgers.
-- the table is the table (meltingglacier...) (webmail), December 18th, 2006 7:07 PM. (trees) (later) (link)
strike that, i meant bernard edwards

-- the table is the table (meltingglacier...) (webmail), December 18th, 2006 7:08 PM. (trees) (later) (link)

See, I thought "I should include that Chic guy," and then I thought "if I can't even remember dude's name, fuck 'im." Thanks for the confirmation.

― I Am Curious (George) (Slight Return) (Rock Hardy), Monday, 18 December 2006 21:49 (seventeen years ago) link

If this was a for real people dying DEATHMATCH Mingus would've beat all the other fools by himself, one-handed.

― has been plagued with problems since its erection in 1978 (nklshs), Monday, 18 December 2006 22:04 (seventeen years ago) link

While telling a story about how bad he kicked all their asses.

― has been plagued with problems since its erection in 1978 (nklshs), Monday, 18 December 2006 22:04 (seventeen years ago) link

OTMFM

― hoo keeps it steen/and they love that shit (hoosteen), Monday, 18 December 2006 23:19 (seventeen years ago) link

And smoking a cigar with the other hand. (xpost!)

― I Am Curious (George) (Slight Return) (Rock Hardy), Monday, 18 December 2006 23:20 (seventeen years ago) link

With multiple Mexican hookers!

― EZ Snappin (EZSnappin), Monday, 18 December 2006 23:39 (seventeen years ago) link

Ties go to the first one to reach their total, by the way.

― I Am Curious (George) (Slight Return) (Rock Hardy), Tuesday, 19 December 2006 01:32 (seventeen years ago) link

Ron Carter
Bruce Thomas
Lemmy
James Jamerson
Donald "Duck" Dunn
Tony Levin
Mike Watt
Jack Casady
Greg Cohen
Holger Czukay
Charles Mingus
Jaco Pastorius
Bootsy Collins
Rockette Morton
Willie Dixon
Robbie Shakespeare

I hated eliminating Peter Hook and Larry Graham. I predict that there will be a crime and Rockette Morton will lose this thread.

― Jay (jaymacke), Tuesday, 19 December 2006 01:51 (seventeen years ago) link

Yow, your ballot broke two ties the opposite way that they were going to go if nobody else had voted.

ONE MORE HOUR AND I'LL ANNOUNCE ROUND TWO.

― I Am Curious (George) (Slight Return) (Rock Hardy), Tuesday, 19 December 2006 02:17 (seventeen years ago) link

my bassfight was better, sigh

;-)

― I am the best lyrocost since Dylan (Scourage), Tuesday, 19 December 2006 02:19 (seventeen years ago) link

Ron Carter def. Bill Laswell 11-1
Charlie Haden annihilates Bruce Thomas 13-0
Lemmy in a squeaker over Roy Estrada, 7-6
James Jamerson crushes Wm. Parker 12-0
"Duck" Dunn def. Flea 9-3
Tony Levin def. Barry Guy 12-0
John Paul Jones in squeaker over Mike Watt 7-6 SHOCKA
Jack Casady def. Peter Hook 7-6
Greg Cohen def. Geddy Lee 9-3
Holger Czukay def. Les Claypool 7-6
Charles Mingus and his psychotherapist def. Larry Graham 11-2
Jaco Pastorius def. John Entwistle 7-6
THE NAME IS BOOTSY, BABY! def. John McVie 12-1
Rockette Morton def. Norwood Fisher 7-5
Willie Dixon def. Dave Holland 7-5
Robbie Shakespeare def. Paul McCartney 7-6

― I Am Curious (George) (Slight Return) (Rock Hardy), Tuesday, 19 December 2006 03:28 (seventeen years ago) link

ROUND TWO:

Ron Carter vs. Charlie Haden

Lemmy vs. James Jamerson

Donald "Duck" Dunn vs. Tony Levin

John Paul Jones vs. Jack Casady

Greg Cohen vs. Holger Czukay

Charles Mingus vs. Jaco Pastorius

Bootsy Collins vs. Rockette Morton

Willie Dixon vs. Robbie Shakespeare

VOTE NOW

― I Am Curious (George) (Slight Return) (Rock Hardy), Tuesday, 19 December 2006 03:30 (seventeen years ago) link

PS, now that we're in the middle of the workweek, one day per round from here on.

― I Am Curious (George) (Slight Return) (Rock Hardy), Tuesday, 19 December 2006 03:31 (seventeen years ago) link

Haden
Jamerson
Dunn
Casady
Czukay
Mingus
Collins
Shakespeare

― walterkranz (walterkranz), Tuesday, 19 December 2006 03:44 (seventeen years ago) link

Ron Carter
James Jamerson
Donald "Duck" Dunn
John Paul Jones [FUCK that was hard]
Holger Czukay
MingusMingusMingus baby
Bootsy Collins
Robbie Shakespeare

― hoo got it for steen, vol. 2 (hoosteen), Tuesday, 19 December 2006 03:51 (seventeen years ago) link

Carter
Jamerson
Dunn
Jones
Cohen
Mingus
Collins
Shakespeare

― EZ Snappin (EZSnappin), Tuesday, 19 December 2006 03:53 (seventeen years ago) link

Haden
Jamerson
Levin
Casady
Cohen
Mingus
Bootsy
Shakespeare

Cohen/Czukay was the killer for me. Cohen wins because I've seen him live with Masada a few times and he was the roaring power of the band one night, just amazing.

― I Am Curious (George) (Slight Return) (Rock Hardy), Tuesday, 19 December 2006 03:56 (seventeen years ago) link

Haden
Jamerson
Dunn
Jones
Czukay
Mingus
Bootsy
Shakespeare

― a bulldog fed a cookie shaped like a kitten (austin), Tuesday, 19 December 2006 05:51 (seventeen years ago) link

ROUND TWO:

Ron Carter

Lemmy

Donald "Duck" Dunn

John Paul Jones vs. Jack Casady AARGH..... Jones

Holger Czukay

Jaco Pastorius (that was hard, too)

Rockette Morton (so was that)

Robbie Shakespeare (that sure wasn't)

― sleeve (sleeve), Tuesday, 19 December 2006 06:17 (seventeen years ago) link

fuck that, I'm changing my Jones vote to Casady. Most of my favorite JPJ moments involve keyboards.

― sleeve (sleeve), Tuesday, 19 December 2006 06:37 (seventeen years ago) link

Ron Carter
James Jamerson (sorry Lemmy)
"Duck" Dunn
John Paul Jones
Holger Czukay
Charlie Mingus
Bootsy Collins (sorry RM)
Willie Dixon

Don't think I've ever really heard of anybody rating Willie Dixon's instrumental abilities. But he gets the nod because I don't know if I've ever even heard Robbie Shakespeare. (So I don't like reggae, big frickin deal...)

― Myonga Von Bottom (Monty Von Byonga), Tuesday, 19 December 2006 07:54 (seventeen years ago) link

On a semi-related note, who played bass for Al Green in the 70s?

― a bulldog fed a cookie shaped like a kitten (austin), Tuesday, 19 December 2006 16:51 (seventeen years ago) link

Another funklord mia: Michael Henderson.

― a bulldog fed a cookie shaped like a kitten (austin), Tuesday, 19 December 2006 16:51 (seventeen years ago) link

Verdine White!

― a bulldog fed a cookie shaped like a kitten (austin), Tuesday, 19 December 2006 16:58 (seventeen years ago) link

On a semi-related note, who played bass for Al Green in the 70s?

Leroy Hodges.

Another funklord mia: Michael Henderson.
:-((( Definitely not a perfect ballot, but I had hit 32 names and didn't want to pad it out to 64.

― I Am Curious (George) (Slight Return) (Rock Hardy), Tuesday, 19 December 2006 17:00 (seventeen years ago) link

Yeah, I understand. I think maybe a triple crown of funk rock and jazz bassists would work, but it's not like we're deciding the fate of teh world here.

Stevie Wonder's left hand!

Bernie Worrell's left hand!

― a bulldog fed a cookie shaped like a kitten (austin), Tuesday, 19 December 2006 17:07 (seventeen years ago) link

Ray Manzarek's left hand!

If I'd included keyboard bassists, Hurting really would have popped a clog.

― I Am Curious (George) (Slight Return) (Rock Hardy), Tuesday, 19 December 2006 17:18 (seventeen years ago) link

haden
lemmy
levin
casady
cohen
mingus
morton
dixon

― John Justen is interested in eating your pet. (John Justen), Tuesday, 19 December 2006 18:05 (seventeen years ago) link

Michael Henderson played for Al Green! Wow. He just about made Miles' 70s sound.

Anyway...

Ron Carter
James Jamerson
Tony Levin
John Paul Jones
Greg Cohen
Charles Mingus
Bootsy Collins
Robbie Shakespeare

― has been plagued with problems since its erection in 1978 (nklshs), Tuesday, 19 December 2006 18:39 (seventeen years ago) link

Haden -- this is the ultimate battle of heart v. chops; heart wins this time.
Jamerson
Dunn
Casady (by millimeters)
Cohen
Mingus (but the folks eliminated in the first round had more right to be here)
Collins
Shakespeare (Willie Dixon was a great songwriter; that's more than enough)

― Colin M (All names have been taken), Tuesday, 19 December 2006 19:09 (seventeen years ago) link

nklshs -

So far as I know, Henderson never played with Rev. Al. I was just naming other bass faves, and didn't know who was holding down the low end in Green's band. I trust crump knows his stuff on this topic.

― a bulldog fed a cookie shaped like a kitten (austin), Tuesday, 19 December 2006 22:13 (seventeen years ago) link

Well, I did know it was some kinfolk of Teenie Hodges, but I had to google to get Leroy's first name.

― I Am Curious (George) (Slight Return) (Rock Hardy), Tuesday, 19 December 2006 22:40 (seventeen years ago) link

Carter
Jamerson
Dunn
Jones
Czukay
Mingus
Bootsy
Shakespeare

Actually I appreciate JPJ as a keyboardist more ("No Quarter"!) due to the fact that Zeppelin's rhythm section was pretty much the Bonzo Show but "What Is and What Should Never Be" and "Dazed and Confused" are not bad songs to triumph over Watt with.

― f. scott baio (natepatrin), Tuesday, 19 December 2006 22:47 (seventeen years ago) link

Haha, just bought a sealed LP copy of the Four Tops' Nature Planned It and the credits on the back list everybody as normal, except for Jamerson, who is credited as "Bass (Personified)".

― f. scott baio (natepatrin), Wednesday, 20 December 2006 02:14 (seventeen years ago) link

hahaha, cool.

I'll announce round 3 in an hour.

― I Am Curious (George) (Slight Return) (Rock Hardy), Wednesday, 20 December 2006 02:21 (seventeen years ago) link

Ron Carter def. Charlie Haden 6-5
James Jamerson def. Lemmy 9-2
"Duck" Dunn def. Tony Levin 8-3
John Paul Jones def. Jack Casady 6-5
Holger Czukay def. Greg Cohen 6-5
Charles Mingus def. Jaco Pastorius 10-1
Bootsy Collins def. Rockette Morton 9-2
Robbie Shakespeare def. Willie Dixon 9-2

― I Am Curious (George) (Slight Return) (Rock Hardy), Wednesday, 20 December 2006 03:32 (seventeen years ago) link

ROUND THREE:

Ron Carter vs. James Jamerson

Donald "Duck" Dunn vs. John Paul Jones

Holger Czukay vs. Charles Mingus

Bootsy Collins vs. Robbie Shakespeare

PLEASE TO VOTE NOW --

― I Am Curious (George) (Slight Return) (Rock Hardy), Wednesday, 20 December 2006 03:33 (seventeen years ago) link

Carter
Jones
Mingus
Collins

― Dominique (dleone), Wednesday, 20 December 2006 03:41 (seventeen years ago) link

Carter
Dunn
Mingus
Shakespeare

― todd (todd), Wednesday, 20 December 2006 04:02 (seventeen years ago) link

i can't fucking believe jaco made it that far!!! yuck-o.

― M@tt He1ges0n (Matt Helgeson), Wednesday, 20 December 2006 04:05 (seventeen years ago) link

weather report uggggg

― M@tt He1ges0n (Matt Helgeson), Wednesday, 20 December 2006 04:10 (seventeen years ago) link

dude almost ruins hejira for me!

― M@tt He1ges0n (Matt Helgeson), Wednesday, 20 December 2006 04:10 (seventeen years ago) link

Jamerson
Dunn
Mingus
Bootsy

― f. scott baio (natepatrin), Wednesday, 20 December 2006 04:13 (seventeen years ago) link

Carter
Jones
Mingus
Shakespeare

― I Am Curious (George) (Slight Return) (Rock Hardy), Wednesday, 20 December 2006 04:26 (seventeen years ago) link

What Nate said.

― a bulldog fed a cookie shaped like a kitten (austin), Wednesday, 20 December 2006 04:32 (seventeen years ago) link

also, i'm on the squire was robbed tip..

and jaco makes the list and not mike watt?? holy corndogs! esp. since fuckin' guitar mag wank les claypool made the list?

i woulda put rick danko on the initial list too but that's just me.

― M@tt He1ges0n (Matt Helgeson), Wednesday, 20 December 2006 04:41 (seventeen years ago) link

Ron Carter
John Paul Jones
Charles Mingus
Bootsy Collins

― hoo got it for steen, vol. 2 (hoosteen), Wednesday, 20 December 2006 05:03 (seventeen years ago) link

and jaco makes the list and not mike watt??

Mike Watt made the second draft but lost to John Paul "better with a Mellotron" Jones.

― f. scott baio (natepatrin), Wednesday, 20 December 2006 05:06 (seventeen years ago) link

Carter
Jones
Czukay
Collins

I am psyched that Holger is still in the running.

― sleeve (sleeve), Wednesday, 20 December 2006 05:36 (seventeen years ago) link

Ron Carter
John Paul Jones
Charles Mingus
Bootsy Collins

― lurker #2421 (lurker #2421.1), Wednesday, 20 December 2006 06:17 (seventeen years ago) link

damn my man from Germany is gonna get creamed. Perhaps rightfully so.

― sleeve (sleeve), Wednesday, 20 December 2006 06:23 (seventeen years ago) link

Jamerson
Dunn
Mingus
Bootsy

― UGH!! (UGH!!!), Wednesday, 20 December 2006 09:42 (seventeen years ago) link

Jamerson
Jones
Mingus
Collins

― EZ Snappin (EZSnappin), Wednesday, 20 December 2006 13:25 (seventeen years ago) link

Jamerson
Dunn
Mingus
Shakespeare

― Ruud Haarvest (KenL), Wednesday, 20 December 2006 14:13 (seventeen years ago) link

Jamerson
Jones
Mingus
Shakespeare

Actually I appreciate JPJ as a keyboardist more ~~("No Quarter"!)~~ "Trampled Under Foot"

NB I actually do find JPJ a phenomenal bassist, one of my absolute favs. But fucking ay, "Trampled Under Foot", that clavi!

― has been plagued with problems since its erection in 1978 (nklshs), Wednesday, 20 December 2006 14:15 (seventeen years ago) link

Jamerson (Are all you Carter people actually listening to him, or just giving him props for the records he's on?)
Dunn
Mingus
Bootsy

As many of the bassists I cared about get eliminated, this gets easier.

― Colin M (All names have been taken), Wednesday, 20 December 2006 16:16 (seventeen years ago) link

Haden eliminated :*( Listen to his solo on Els Segadors you animals!

― jim (jim), Wednesday, 20 December 2006 16:21 (seventeen years ago) link

COULD SOMEONE EXPLAIN WHY MR. PLINKETY PLUNK PLONK BLINKETY BLONK BLUMP BLUMP BLOOOWMP LES CLAYPOOL EVER MADE THE LIST???? PLEASE? I MEAN SHIT IF YR GONNA PUT ON SHITTY GUITAR MAG CHOPS WHORES GO THE FULL ROUTE - HOW ABOUT BILLY SHEEHAN?? RANDY COVEN?? STU HAMM?? VICTOR WOOTEN??

SERIOUSLY OVER MIKE WATT? RICK DANKO?? NOEL REDDING? JOE LALLY??

― M@tt He1ges0n (Matt Helgeson), Wednesday, 20 December 2006 16:38 (seventeen years ago) link

I MEAN IF YOU WANTED A HYPERACTIVE 90S SLAPNPOPPER ON THE LIST AT LEAST FLEA CAN PLAY KINDA TENDER AND MELODIC WHEN HE WANTS TO!

― M@tt He1ges0n (Matt Helgeson), Wednesday, 20 December 2006 16:39 (seventeen years ago) link

tony levin fuckin suxx too, stick bass give me a break...

― M@tt He1ges0n (Matt Helgeson), Wednesday, 20 December 2006 16:39 (seventeen years ago) link

unless I misread the title of this thread as "ILM DEATHMATCH: SINGERS WHO SOUND LIKE RETARDED CATTLE AUCTIONEERS", then apologies to mr. claypool

― M@tt He1ges0n (Matt Helgeson), Wednesday, 20 December 2006 16:41 (seventeen years ago) link

M@tt otm

― Ruud Haarvest (KenL), Wednesday, 20 December 2006 16:58 (seventeen years ago) link

Jamerson
Jones
Mingus
Collins

― Monty Von Bygone (Monty Von Bygone), Wednesday, 20 December 2006 18:21 (seventeen years ago) link

Hahaha Stanley Clarke woulda made a better Flea/Claypool substitute than both of 'em together! (And so would've Melvin Gibbs.)

― Monty Von Bygone (Monty Von Bygone), Wednesday, 20 December 2006 19:18 (seventeen years ago) link

word, yeah i forgot stanley! he's mad old skool guitar mag cred.

is shrapnel records still going? i need some new tony macapline jointz

― M@tt He1ges0n (Matt Helgeson), Wednesday, 20 December 2006 19:19 (seventeen years ago) link

How could you forget Jeff Berlin?? (who's basically as well remembered as Jaco would be if he hadn't died, and prolly better anyway)

http://www.jazzfusion.com/int2001/jberlin01.jpg

― M@tt He1ges0n (Matt Helgeson), Wednesday, 20 December 2006 19:22 (seventeen years ago) link

man, just look at tony levin! this is not cool:

http://www.edwardajajfotografie.com/musicphotopages/levin-t/TLEA81-cpr400wCX.jpg

― M@tt He1ges0n (Matt Helgeson), Wednesday, 20 December 2006 19:23 (seventeen years ago) link

Um, Claypool can play tender/melodic too (see: intro to "Cosmic Highway", intro to "Fish On") as well as non-plinkety plonkety groove stuff ("Over The Falls").

I hate having to be Cpt-Save-A-Claypool, but seriously, he has earned his place, as a bassist and a songwriter.

― has been plagued with problems since its erection in 1978 (nklshs), Wednesday, 20 December 2006 21:32 (seventeen years ago) link

Oh yeah, and wtf no Stanley Clarke on list!?!?!?! I can't believe I didn't notice.

― has been plagued with problems since its erection in 1978 (nklshs), Wednesday, 20 December 2006 21:33 (seventeen years ago) link

Even in some of Primus' most well-known music-video-havin' pop songs he doesn't barely plink one plonk ("Mr. Krinkle", "Shake Hands With Beef").

― has been plagued with problems since its erection in 1978 (nklshs), Wednesday, 20 December 2006 21:36 (seventeen years ago) link

Yeah, Claypool might not be your style, but he's hard to argue with, technique-wise (which I assume is really what we're talking about here, right?)

― John Justen is interested in eating your pet. (John Justen), Wednesday, 20 December 2006 21:47 (seventeen years ago) link

(full disclosure: i really fucking hate primus and am prolly not being very open minded or fair)

buuuuuut....

i guess i don't see technique as being any more important than, say, anything else about bass playing.

peter hook is on the list and his "chops" pale in comparison to lots of dudes on the list...i mean, i could probably run circles around willie dixon doing scales and shit but that doesn't really mean shit.

― M@tt He1ges0n (Matt Helgeson), Wednesday, 20 December 2006 21:49 (seventeen years ago) link

and as far as technique, like billy sheehan for example easily has the chops of claypool (and even played bass w/a power drill which is funny!) and plays on "eat 'em and smile" by david lee roth which is better than primus to me at least.

― M@tt He1ges0n (Matt Helgeson), Wednesday, 20 December 2006 21:50 (seventeen years ago) link

If anything, hate Les Claypool for his movie.

― has been plagued with problems since its erection in 1978 (nklshs), Wednesday, 20 December 2006 21:51 (seventeen years ago) link

If anything, hate Les Claypool for his movie.

haha! woah! am i weird for kinda wanting to see that?

i like primus better than weather report!

― M@tt He1ges0n (Matt Helgeson), Wednesday, 20 December 2006 21:53 (seventeen years ago) link

All I know is when I first heard "Jerry was a race car driver" at a tender age, I'd never heard anything like it emanate from a bass, and I quickly started trying to do what he was doing. And failed miserably.

And I, uncooly, still really like early primus...later stuff, ugh.

Jamerson
Dunn
Mingus
Collins

― John Justen is interested in eating your pet. (John Justen), Wednesday, 20 December 2006 21:54 (seventeen years ago) link

haha! woah! am i weird for kinda wanting to see that?

No way dude. Seth Green and Matt Stone as "taper"s!

― has been plagued with problems since its erection in 1978 (nklshs), Wednesday, 20 December 2006 21:56 (seventeen years ago) link

(close circuit to j0hn just3n): you know who actually has the most chops i've ever seen on a bass player?

that dude from Yoleus!

but obv. local mpls bands don't make these types of lists.

― M@tt He1ges0n (Matt Helgeson), Wednesday, 20 December 2006 21:57 (seventeen years ago) link

Yeah, that Yoleus dude is fucking scary.

― John Justen is interested in eating your pet. (John Justen), Wednesday, 20 December 2006 22:17 (seventeen years ago) link

Wow, M@tt, sorry I got everything so wrong. You should organize the next one and show me how it's done.

Meanwhile...

James Jamerson def. Ron Carter 9-6
John Paul Jones def. "Duck" Dunn 8-7
Charles Mingus def. Holger Czukay 14-1
Bootsy Collins def. Robbie Shakespeare 11-4

― I Am Curious (George) (Slight Return) (Rock Hardy), Thursday, 21 December 2006 03:07 (seventeen years ago) link

THE SEMIFINALS:

James Jamerson vs. John Paul Jones

Charles Mingus vs. Bootsy Collins

VOTE NOW

― I Am Curious (George) (Slight Return) (Rock Hardy), Thursday, 21 December 2006 03:08 (seventeen years ago) link

Choosing between Jamerson and Mingus is going to be a real fucking drag.

― a bulldog fed a cookie shaped like a kitten (austin), Thursday, 21 December 2006 03:12 (seventeen years ago) link

Trevor Dunn wins fight.

Men cry as their girlfriends and mamas get knocked up by his sonic babymakin' love.

― Andi Headphones (Andi Headphones), Thursday, 21 December 2006 03:12 (seventeen years ago) link

James Jamerson
Charles Mingus

― hoo got it for steen, vol. 2 (hoosteen), Thursday, 21 December 2006 03:22 (seventeen years ago) link

Jamerson
Mingus

― f. scott baio (natepatrin), Thursday, 21 December 2006 04:06 (seventeen years ago) link

Jamerson
Mingus

― Ruud Haarvest (KenL), Thursday, 21 December 2006 04:16 (seventeen years ago) link

Jones
Mingus

― I Am Curious (George) (Slight Return) (Rock Hardy), Thursday, 21 December 2006 04:21 (seventeen years ago) link

Jamerson
Bootsy

― John Justen is interested in eating your pet. (John Justen), Thursday, 21 December 2006 05:51 (seventeen years ago) link

Jamerson
Bootsy

― UGH!! (UGH!!!), Thursday, 21 December 2006 09:58 (seventeen years ago) link

Jamerson
Mingus

― has been plagued with problems since its erection in 1978 (nklshs), Thursday, 21 December 2006 14:27 (seventeen years ago) link

Wow, M@tt, sorry I got everything so wrong. You should organize the next one and show me how it's done.

ha yeah i'm just being a dick, but remember in the end all this is just the talk of a spurned mike watt fanboy : )

― M@tt He1ges0n (Matt Helgeson), Thursday, 21 December 2006 16:36 (seventeen years ago) link

I hear you, I was pissed when Watt lost IN THE FIRST ROUND.

But these little deathmatch experiments are fun -- I would like it if somebody organized one for drummers or guitarists.

― I Am Curious (George) (Slight Return) (Rock Hardy), Thursday, 21 December 2006 17:35 (seventeen years ago) link

also, i couldn't even do one of these cuz i don't know enough abt jazz

― M@tt He1ges0n (Matt Helgeson), Thursday, 21 December 2006 17:38 (seventeen years ago) link

Jamerson
Bootsy

― Colin M (All names have been taken), Thursday, 21 December 2006 20:00 (seventeen years ago) link

Jamerson
Mingus

― EZ Snappin (EZSnappin), Thursday, 21 December 2006 20:07 (seventeen years ago) link

Matt - the beauty of a deathmatch is that it can be about anything, define it as narrowly or broadly as you like. As I said upthread, it might even be less apples-and-orangesy if you limit yourself to a genre when matching up instrumentalists.

― a bulldog fed a cookie shaped like a kitten (austin), Thursday, 21 December 2006 20:09 (seventeen years ago) link

A drummer deathmatch would be ridiculous amounts of fun. (I nominate Charlie Persip, Billy Cobham and Albert Bouchard.)

― f. scott baio (natepatrin), Thursday, 21 December 2006 20:22 (seventeen years ago) link

James Jamerson
Charles Mingus

― todd (todd), Thursday, 21 December 2006 20:48 (seventeen years ago) link

One reason I did bassists is because I could reasonably limit it to 32. Drummers or guitarists, I think we'd have to go to 64 for sure.

― I Am Curious (George) (Slight Return) (Rock Hardy), Thursday, 21 December 2006 22:13 (seventeen years ago) link

Again - stick with a genre or subgenre and you can probably keep it managable. Then have a Clash of the Titans.

― a bulldog fed a cookie shaped like a kitten (austin), Thursday, 21 December 2006 23:57 (seventeen years ago) link

Jones
Mingus

― sleeve (sleeve), Friday, 22 December 2006 01:28 (seventeen years ago) link

James Jamerson def. John Paul Jones 9-2
Charles Mingus def. Bootsy Collins 8-3

― Joe Isuzu's Petals (Rock Hardy), Friday, 22 December 2006 03:07 (seventeen years ago) link

THE FINALS:

http://www.bassland.net/jamerson.jpg
JAMES JAMERSON

vs.

http://www.wgbh.org/images/jazz/gallery/mingus_323x431.jpg
CHARLES MINGUS

― Joe Isuzu's Petals (Rock Hardy), Friday, 22 December 2006 03:09 (seventeen years ago) link

Marvin Gaye in concert ("What's Going On"/"What's Happening Brother") from 1973 with Jamerson on bass:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y9KC7uhMY9s

Mingus in concert ("Flowers for a Lady"), 1974:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gkTEfrmqxws

― Joe Isuzu's Petals (Rock Hardy), Friday, 22 December 2006 03:11 (seventeen years ago) link

Goddamn, this is difficult. I'm gonna say Mingus.

― f. scott baio (natepatrin), Friday, 22 December 2006 03:33 (seventeen years ago) link

I was just about to vote, but I think I'm going to sleep on it tonight. It is a tough one.

― Joe Isuzu's Petals (Rock Hardy), Friday, 22 December 2006 03:40 (seventeen years ago) link

Jamerson

This has, however, all gone horribly wrong somehow. For me.

― John Justen is interested in eating your pet. (John Justen), Friday, 22 December 2006 03:47 (seventeen years ago) link

I was pulling for a Haden-Entwistle final (after a Haden-Watt semi), myself.

― Joe Isuzu's Petals (Rock Hardy), Friday, 22 December 2006 03:52 (seventeen years ago) link

http://www.positifs.org/jazz-passion/18-jazmusautrart/phot3/Bisceglia_Mingus.jpg

― a bulldog fed a cookie shaped like a kitten (austin), Friday, 22 December 2006 05:54 (seventeen years ago) link

James Jamerson

― UGH!! (UGH!!!), Friday, 22 December 2006 10:36 (seventeen years ago) link

http://www.mingusrealty.com/J8.JPG

― has been plagued with problems since its erection in 1978 (nklshs), Friday, 22 December 2006 14:21 (seventeen years ago) link

Mingus Mingus Mingus Mingus

― todd (todd), Friday, 22 December 2006 14:31 (seventeen years ago) link

James Jamerson

― Ruud Haarvest (KenL), Friday, 22 December 2006 14:37 (seventeen years ago) link

aka Igor

― Ruud Haarvest (KenL), Friday, 22 December 2006 14:39 (seventeen years ago) link

Mingus by the smallest of margins. It boiled down to which one I'd rather hear solo.

― EZ Snappin (EZSnappin), Friday, 22 December 2006 15:28 (seventeen years ago) link

Mingus

― Dominique (dleone), Friday, 22 December 2006 15:35 (seventeen years ago) link

No Carole Kaye, no credibility

― Elvis Telecom (Chris Barrus), Friday, 22 December 2006 18:19 (seventeen years ago) link

No David J. for that matter

― Elvis Telecom (Chris Barrus), Friday, 22 December 2006 18:19 (seventeen years ago) link

Jesus, I'm the ONLY ONE who voted for Bill fucking Laswell in the first round?

You are all bad people.

― John Justen is interested in eating your pet. (John Justen), Friday, 22 December 2006 18:27 (seventeen years ago) link

There are a dozen people I would have picked him over in that round, but Ron Carter wasn't one of them.

― Joe Isuzu's Petals (Rock Hardy), Friday, 22 December 2006 18:37 (seventeen years ago) link

I am a fairly huge Bill Laswell production fan, but he is seriously one of my LEAST favorite bassists ever.

― has been plagued with problems since its erection in 1978 (nklshs), Friday, 22 December 2006 18:58 (seventeen years ago) link

He just doesn't understand how to not use too fucking many effects.

― has been plagued with problems since its erection in 1978 (nklshs), Friday, 22 December 2006 18:58 (seventeen years ago) link

nickalicious otm

― Ruud Haarvest (KenL), Friday, 22 December 2006 19:07 (seventeen years ago) link

MORE VOTING PLEASE

― Joe Isuzu's Petals (Rock Hardy), Friday, 22 December 2006 19:37 (seventeen years ago) link

Mingus!!!

― sleeve (sleeve), Friday, 22 December 2006 21:18 (seventeen years ago) link

After seeing Laswell w/Painkiller, I was SOLD.

― John Justen is interested in eating your pet. (John Justen), Friday, 22 December 2006 23:35 (seventeen years ago) link

Of sourse, at that show the only effect he was using was a whammy pedal, and he only used that so he could switch between playing bass through an SVT and mega-ugly distorto guitar leads through a Marshall full stack. Good times, severe ear-injury potential.

― John Justen is interested in eating your pet. (John Justen), Friday, 22 December 2006 23:40 (seventeen years ago) link

fuck all y'all. love, janice

http://www.bunnybass.com/e-zine/girls/04.girlpictures/janice-mariejohnson02.jpg

― scott seward (121212), Friday, 22 December 2006 23:46 (seventeen years ago) link

haha oh shit! Scott wins!

― f. scott baio (natepatrin), Saturday, 23 December 2006 01:28 (seventeen years ago) link

I'm Hazel Scott. I'd like you to meet the members of my trio- there's Charlie Mingus on bass and Rudy Nichols on drums

― Ruud Haarvest (KenL), Saturday, 23 December 2006 02:45 (seventeen years ago) link

I think I once saw another version of that w/ Max Roach.

― Ruud Haarvest (KenL), Saturday, 23 December 2006 02:46 (seventeen years ago) link

40 MINUTES TIL A WINNER

― Joe Isuzu's Petals (Rock Hardy), Saturday, 23 December 2006 03:22 (seventeen years ago) link

Fewer and fewer voters in each of the last three rounds, but who cares --

YOUR WINNER:
http://www.scooporganisation.com/images/bio/Mingus.jpg

Mingus def. Jamerson 7-3

Thanks to everyone who voted.

― Joe Isuzu's Petals (Rock Hardy), Saturday, 23 December 2006 04:06 (seventeen years ago) link

I'll bet you fules didn't know that "Boogie Stop Shuffle" was actually written by Carol Kaye.

― Ruud Haarvest (KenL), Saturday, 23 December 2006 04:57 (seventeen years ago) link

I'da voted Jamerson, obviously. Y'all mistake icons for players sometimes.

― Colin M (All names have been taken), Saturday, 23 December 2006 16:27 (seventeen years ago) link

I think that's crap. In all five rounds I voted for the bass player who gave me more pleasure over the last 25 years. How do you know my mind or my experience, or anybody else's who voted in this?

― Joe Isuzu's Petals (Rock Hardy), Saturday, 23 December 2006 16:37 (seventeen years ago) link

^^^
otm

― hoo got it for steen, vol. 2 (hoosteen), Saturday, 23 December 2006 17:58 (seventeen years ago) link

So wait - Jamerson's NOT an icon? When did that happen?

― a bulldog fed a cookie shaped like a kitten (austin), Saturday, 23 December 2006 21:56 (seventeen years ago) link

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