Let's discuss Stylus Magazine's End-of-Year Lists in a respectful fashion

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I still am surprised that Lily Allen did crack that Singles Top 50, even if it was only #45.

I honestly can't predict anybody's No. 1 single this year not even Stylus' or Pitchfork's. Mostly down to '06 being a crummy year for music overall with only a few really good singles brightening things up.

― editio princeps (pato.g27), Monday, 11 December 2006 14:56 (nineteen years ago)

Ah, I see what you did there.

Link?

― M Grout (Mark Grout), Monday, 11 December 2006 14:59 (nineteen years ago)

Erm...

― editio princeps (pato.g27), Monday, 11 December 2006 15:00 (nineteen years ago)

06 was a great year! if you think it was a crummy year it's your fault that your ears were in the wrong places

― lexpretend (lexpretend), Monday, 11 December 2006 15:00 (nineteen years ago)

For reference, I guess.

― editio princeps (pato.g27), Monday, 11 December 2006 15:01 (nineteen years ago)

06 was a great year! if you think it was a crummy year it's your fault that your ears were in the wrong places

Quite possibly. I think 06 was a better year Singles-wise (but in quality of the few singles that really shone rather than quantity of decent singles) than the past few years but overall, I wasn't really feeling it this year.

― editio princeps (pato.g27), Monday, 11 December 2006 15:03 (nineteen years ago)

Ah right, more laterzz..

I dunno, it seems there is no place where you get to hear a general issue of singles anymore.

In years past, I got round this by buying loads of singles.

― M Grout (Mark Grout), Monday, 11 December 2006 15:06 (nineteen years ago)

I should mention that the OMM Top 20 lists were depressingly predictable and awful.

― editio princeps (pato.g27), Monday, 11 December 2006 15:08 (nineteen years ago)

this moan comes up every year. here's a thought, maybe it's just the lists themselves which are awful and not the music

― lexpretend (lexpretend), Monday, 11 December 2006 15:10 (nineteen years ago)

I thought I was complaining about the lists!

― editio princeps (pato.g27), Monday, 11 December 2006 15:11 (nineteen years ago)

i voted in this, but i only ever count stuff I heard on the radio or video channels as 'singles' and have never heard half of the songs on Stylus's list (I guess a fair amount of that charted in the U.K. or somewhere, though). i know what the top 10 is and i'm guessing that the #1 is one of those things i've never heard.

― Al (Alex In Baltimore), Monday, 11 December 2006 15:12 (nineteen years ago)

Bring back Rosko's Round Table I say.

Yesterday's OMM was depressingly predictable and awful full stop.

― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Monday, 11 December 2006 15:13 (nineteen years ago)

Yeah!

Malcolm Laycock used to have a show like this also, on BBC Radio London.

(I only remember his name as I was on the show once)

― M Grout (Mark Grout), Monday, 11 December 2006 15:17 (nineteen years ago)

Did 'Cobrastyle' also make Stylus '04 list?

― sede vacante (blueski), Monday, 11 December 2006 15:22 (nineteen years ago)

Great year for singles definitely. Poor year for albums. Reminds me a bit of 2002.

― Tim F (Tim F), Monday, 11 December 2006 15:24 (nineteen years ago)

Malcolm Laycock, currently presenter of the dance band/big band show on Radio 2 which Alan Dell used to do.

― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Monday, 11 December 2006 15:28 (nineteen years ago)

06 was a great year!

yes.

― whoop de doodle (kenan), Monday, 11 December 2006 15:32 (nineteen years ago)

I say quite a poor year personally, both for single and albums. I've just not been excited or impressed enough by what I've heard (there's still a lot I haven't heard tho), for which I/my ears accept only half the blame.

I still am surprised that Lily Allen did crack that Singles Top 50, even if it was only #45.

I don't get what is surprising about it given her general popularity and esp. the general popularity of that song.

― sede vacante (blueski), Monday, 11 December 2006 15:42 (nineteen years ago)

I see her latest b-side is "Everybody Changes" as per Keane.

― M Grout (Mark Grout), Monday, 11 December 2006 15:44 (nineteen years ago)

I didn't think the Stylus Brainstrust was going to rank Lily Allen at all in the year-end list, tbqh. I'm wondering if Dom remembered to post in his vote.

― editio princeps (pato.g27), Monday, 11 December 2006 15:44 (nineteen years ago)

Promise at 47, Way Out at 46 = don't have high hopes for Lexpop here.

― Matt DC (Matt DC), Monday, 11 December 2006 15:47 (nineteen years ago)

Anyway, my tips would be Over And Over or Promiscuous. Maybe Standing In The Way Of Control but I doubt it.

― Matt DC (Matt DC), Monday, 11 December 2006 15:51 (nineteen years ago)

Over And Over for Jan '07 reissue and Olive-style number one second time around: discuss.

― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Monday, 11 December 2006 16:01 (nineteen years ago)

it's already been re-released or re-entered the chart once a fe weeks back. i just didn't think that many people actually watched The Culture Show.

― sede vacante (blueski), Monday, 11 December 2006 16:02 (nineteen years ago)

is the stylus list tracks that were actually released as singles or single tracks?

― DJ Martian (djmartian), Monday, 11 December 2006 16:08 (nineteen years ago)

oh god it's the same every year... no-ones ears were in the same place, nobody heard it all out of everything out there, lots of stuff overpromoted, overhyped, plenty more underrated & underexposed, people like different things and it's all subjective in the end, always someone complaining about someone else having an ultimately meaningless opinion about it.

my 2 euro - not the greatest year I can remember for singles or albums OF THOSE I'VE HEARD (opinion subject to change upon retrospective purchaes).

― Da Mystery of Sandboxin' (fandango), Monday, 11 December 2006 16:08 (nineteen years ago)

this should be in the top 10

Mahogany - Supervitesse
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2CbJuE8OgDs

― DJ Martian (djmartian), Monday, 11 December 2006 16:10 (nineteen years ago)

and this:

Field Music - In Context
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DBqx9Tpmj-U

― DJ Martian (djmartian), Monday, 11 December 2006 16:12 (nineteen years ago)

Yeah, I'd be surprised if those two don't make it, they were pretty inescapable in the clubs this year.

― Dom Passantino (DomPassantino), Monday, 11 December 2006 16:13 (nineteen years ago)

like you of all people would know

― lexpretend (lexpretend), Monday, 11 December 2006 16:14 (nineteen years ago)

The basis of these end-of-year list threads are always horribly flawed but it produces good and interesting discussion, and I'm willing to pay that price!

― editio princeps (pato.g27), Monday, 11 December 2006 16:14 (nineteen years ago)

If not for the whole Dubstep breakout thing I'd be far more down on the year all told.

― Da Mystery of Sandboxin' (fandango), Monday, 11 December 2006 16:17 (nineteen years ago)

like you of all people would know

-- lexpretend (lexusjee...), December 11th, 2006.

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― Dom Passantino (DomPassantino), Monday, 11 December 2006 16:22 (nineteen years ago)

is the stylus list tracks that were actually released as singles or single tracks?

Released as singles in at least some part of the world.

― jaymc (jaymc), Monday, 11 December 2006 16:32 (nineteen years ago)

is this thread about dubstep?

― scott seward (121212), Monday, 11 December 2006 16:34 (nineteen years ago)

Dubstep and catgirls, yeah.

― Dom Passantino (DomPassantino), Monday, 11 December 2006 16:37 (nineteen years ago)

feel free to post about anything except music released during the year yep

― Da Mystery of Sandboxin' (fandango), Monday, 11 December 2006 16:43 (nineteen years ago)

in a respectful fashion i.e. the first post of the thread.

― Da Mystery of Sandboxin' (fandango), Monday, 11 December 2006 16:48 (nineteen years ago)

i don't love - or even really like - any of the songs on the stylus list so far - very british! even the stuff that isn't! - but i do LOVE the links to youtube for everything. man, life before youtube, i'm glad i can't remember what it was like. it must have been AWFUL.

― scott seward (121212), Monday, 11 December 2006 16:52 (nineteen years ago)

Rolling 2006 Singles Thread

― Da Mystery of Sandboxin' (fandango), Monday, 11 December 2006 16:53 (nineteen years ago)

Lallen and Momus are the only two Brit acts on the top 10! And I'm pretty sure someone's trying to revoke Mommy's citizenship somewhere.

― Dom Passantino (DomPassantino), Monday, 11 December 2006 16:55 (nineteen years ago)

(until March 21st, 2006 5:29 AM.) :/

― Da Mystery of Sandboxin' (fandango), Monday, 11 December 2006 16:56 (nineteen years ago)

Brit acts on the "bottom" 10. I can exclusively reveal than "Smile" and "Another Momus Single" aren't in our top 10.

― Dom Passantino (DomPassantino), Monday, 11 December 2006 16:56 (nineteen years ago)

No darkwave in the Stylus list!
They are CLUELESS
Solution: disemploy all Stylus staff - send them back to 1988 where they belong.
Employ diverse spectrum of contemporary writers interested in:
Japstep, Scilly Isles IDM, Drum 'N' Bass.
Nick Luscombe gets sacked from XFM and Lily Allen gets deified!
Wake up Stylus!

― DJ Punctum (nostudium), Monday, 11 December 2006 16:59 (nineteen years ago)

'Over and Over' will be not even in the Top 5, they are white, male and British, not a winner combination at Stylus these days.
In the Top 5 there will be mainly R@B and hiphop based tracks (Promiscuous, My Love, Hurt, but NOT "Crazy"!), or perhaps something from My Chemical Romance or The Knife.

― zeus (zeus), Monday, 11 December 2006 20:15 (nineteen years ago)

FAKE GEIR

― Dom Passantino (DomPassantino), Monday, 11 December 2006 20:23 (nineteen years ago)

What is this "Over and Over"?

― Rodney and His Gang vs. Mr. Tooth Decay (Rodney J. Greene), Monday, 11 December 2006 21:45 (nineteen years ago)

Hot Chip.

― jaymc (jaymc), Monday, 11 December 2006 21:47 (nineteen years ago)

ft. Nelly and Tim McGraw.

― jaymc (jaymc), Monday, 11 December 2006 21:47 (nineteen years ago)

Who are Hot Chip? I've heard the name floated around, I guess. Are they dahnce music? It sounds like a dahncey name to me.

― Rodney and His Gang vs. Mr. Tooth Decay (Rodney J. Greene), Monday, 11 December 2006 21:50 (nineteen years ago)

Looking at the comments, which inevitably start with someone bitching about the top 40 r&b and mainstream rock content, I predict my ballot will be responsible for the death of at least 1x indie kid.

― Rodney and His Gang vs. Mr. Tooth Decay (Rodney J. Greene), Monday, 11 December 2006 21:54 (nineteen years ago)

ft. Ciara and Momus.

― scott seward (121212), Monday, 11 December 2006 21:56 (nineteen years ago)

Hot Chip = electro-pop on the DFA label = pasty white guys bouncing around behind keyboard = sometimes a lot of fun, though too often unfocused

― jaymc (jaymc), Monday, 11 December 2006 22:01 (nineteen years ago)

Oh, I like DFA, (or at least the 1st LCD+singles, the two remix albums & HOJL, as that's all I've really heard) so that might be something I could get into. I guess I'll downsteal "Over & Over" & give it an ear.

― Rodney and His Gang vs. Mr. Tooth Decay (Rodney J. Greene), Monday, 11 December 2006 22:04 (nineteen years ago)

Pasty white guys with keyboards are okay as long as they bounce behind them. It's the ones that stand still that I worry about.

― Rodney and His Gang vs. Mr. Tooth Decay (Rodney J. Greene), Monday, 11 December 2006 22:05 (nineteen years ago)

"Over and Over" is probably the most overtly DFA-ish thing they've done. If you don't hate it, I'd also check out "Boy from School."

― jaymc (jaymc), Monday, 11 December 2006 22:07 (nineteen years ago)

That was okay. The mumbly accents kind of grate, though.

― Rodney and His Gang vs. Mr. Tooth Decay (Rodney J. Greene), Monday, 11 December 2006 22:17 (nineteen years ago)

(that second sentence is meant to be taken literally, I just realised it could pass for snark)

― Rodney and His Gang vs. Mr. Tooth Decay (Rodney J. Greene), Monday, 11 December 2006 22:18 (nineteen years ago)

"Over and Over" is the only decent song of the Hot Chip album.

― zeus (zeus), Monday, 11 December 2006 22:20 (nineteen years ago)

I like "Boy From School" better, but ditto my first comment. Indie people learn to sing confidently, dammit!

― Rodney and His Gang vs. Mr. Tooth Decay (Rodney J. Greene), Monday, 11 December 2006 22:22 (nineteen years ago)

Oh wow, the harp bridge = just got way better.

― Rodney and His Gang vs. Mr. Tooth Decay (Rodney J. Greene), Monday, 11 December 2006 22:23 (nineteen years ago)

'Just Like We' needs more love. never mind the DFA remix.

― sede vacante (blueski), Monday, 11 December 2006 22:33 (nineteen years ago)

hot chip are pretty good. hot chip remixes are HOT. erol alkan rmx of 'boy from school' needs love.

― lexpretend (lexpretend), Monday, 11 December 2006 22:59 (nineteen years ago)

"Fizheuer Zieheuer" is about 34 or 35 places too low.

― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Tuesday, 12 December 2006 09:53 (nineteen years ago)

'mr me too' is like the only track on the clipse album which isn't great! was this even a single? hrrrm.

'unfaithful' had better be higher than 'sos'!

― lexpretend (lexpretend), Tuesday, 12 December 2006 10:04 (nineteen years ago)

Wow, Panic! In The Disco and My Chemical Romance just in the top 40? Then which emo band will be in the Top 5? Fallout Boy?

― zeus (zeus), Tuesday, 12 December 2006 10:31 (nineteen years ago)

funny that the first thing people can think of to describe Hot Chip is 'pasty white guys'

― sede vacante (blueski), Tuesday, 12 December 2006 10:32 (nineteen years ago)

Actually, if 10cc had been going in about 1969, they would have looked exactly like Hot Chip.

― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Tuesday, 12 December 2006 11:34 (nineteen years ago)

not much sun in the studio

http://www.strawberrynorth.co.uk/images/group2.jpg

― scott seward (121212), Tuesday, 12 December 2006 11:41 (nineteen years ago)

I said 1969, not 1979! (absence of Godley and Creme dates it)

― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Tuesday, 12 December 2006 11:42 (nineteen years ago)

Let's get some emo up in this area, son.

I never thought I'd say this but S.O.S. is too low.

― editio princeps (pato.g27), Tuesday, 12 December 2006 12:23 (nineteen years ago)

like the photo of Morningwood

altho i always enjoyed the 'slow release' of old ilx poll results i find it a bit annoying when music websites do it with the EOYs. just put it and people out of their misery already.

― sede vacante (blueski), Tuesday, 12 December 2006 12:53 (nineteen years ago)

Thatcherkids need to learn the virtue of patience.

― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Tuesday, 12 December 2006 12:57 (nineteen years ago)

Stalinists need to stop trolling.

― sede vacante (blueski), Tuesday, 12 December 2006 12:58 (nineteen years ago)

If Buttez was a Stalinist, I'm Vice-President of UKIP.

― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Tuesday, 12 December 2006 13:05 (nineteen years ago)

Man, there are some terrible songs on this list.

2006 was the worst fucking year for music ever.

― Mr. Snrub (Mr. Snrub), Wednesday, 13 December 2006 00:48 (nineteen years ago)

yes, no

― esoj@w3rk (esoj@w3rk), Wednesday, 13 December 2006 01:00 (nineteen years ago)

it certainly seems to be the year of the really shithouse publicity photo

― esoj@w3rk (esoj@w3rk), Wednesday, 13 December 2006 01:02 (nineteen years ago)

LILY ALLEN, TYPICAL BRITISH GAP YEAR STUDENT IN OZ??

― editio princeps (pato.g27), Wednesday, 13 December 2006 01:04 (nineteen years ago)

Well, she's not been raped, murdered, and buried behind a water tanker so probably not.

― Dom Passantino (DomPassantino), Wednesday, 13 December 2006 01:07 (nineteen years ago)

YET ANOTHER WONDERFUL RAPE FANTASY BROUGHT TO YOU BY THE P-MAN

― I am the best lyrocost since Dylan (Scourage), Wednesday, 13 December 2006 02:17 (nineteen years ago)

The DP man.

― jim (jim), Wednesday, 13 December 2006 02:20 (nineteen years ago)

BOTH P-MEN

― I am the best lyrocost since Dylan (Scourage), Wednesday, 13 December 2006 02:28 (nineteen years ago)

I gotta admit that putting "S.O.S." between "I Write Sins, Not Tragedies" and "Welcome To The Black Parade" bucks critical stereotypes, if also taste.

― m1cc1o (m1cc1o), Wednesday, 13 December 2006 03:42 (nineteen years ago)

Here's the complte version of the Rolling 2006 Singles Thread (mentioned upthread).

Shame we could only muster up 291 entries (an ilx rolling singles thread all-time low :( ). The one for 2004 had like 600!

― Mr. Snrub (Mr. Snrub), Wednesday, 13 December 2006 03:50 (nineteen years ago)

Well, she's not been raped, murdered, and buried behind a water tanker so probably not.

Maybe if she tried hitchhiking to Adelaide...

― editio princeps (pato.g27), Wednesday, 13 December 2006 03:53 (nineteen years ago)

Maneater only at #26? wtf?

Kick, Push only at #24? WTF?

Over and Over only at #23? WTF?

― editio princeps (pato.g27), Wednesday, 13 December 2006 13:02 (nineteen years ago)

ha, no nelly furtado single will make any top 10 anywhere, the votes are irrevocably split between 'maneater', 'promiscuous' and 'no hay igual' (and even 'all good things (come to an end)', conceivably). that's what you get for putting out three top-drawer singles off one album, nelly!

― lexpretend (lexpretend), Wednesday, 13 December 2006 13:05 (nineteen years ago)

like, obviously i love 'maneater' but my vote goes to 'no hay igual'

― lexpretend (lexpretend), Wednesday, 13 December 2006 13:06 (nineteen years ago)

Didn't make my top 10, so that's your theorem disproved.

― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Wednesday, 13 December 2006 13:06 (nineteen years ago)

yeah but marcello your thing this year is pretending that real music >>>> sexpop so i am not surprised!

― lexpretend (lexpretend), Wednesday, 13 December 2006 13:09 (nineteen years ago)

it didn't make my top 10 either, actually, though

― lexpretend (lexpretend), Wednesday, 13 December 2006 13:09 (nineteen years ago)

i don't have to pretend, lex, unlike yourself.

colin crompton in the lavvy was sexier than sexpop

― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Wednesday, 13 December 2006 13:21 (nineteen years ago)

Get a room, you two.

― Rodney and His Gang vs. Mr. Tooth Decay (Rodney J. Greene), Wednesday, 13 December 2006 13:54 (nineteen years ago)

*Coming soon!*

Junior Boys - In the Morning

― Stephen Bush (Stephen Bush), Wednesday, 13 December 2006 16:20 (nineteen years ago)

see what happens when you let the popisms vote

― sexyDancer (sexyDancer), Wednesday, 13 December 2006 16:23 (nineteen years ago)

It's going to be Crazy, isn't it? Broing.

― Matt DC (Matt DC), Wednesday, 13 December 2006 16:30 (nineteen years ago)

But treu.

Hang on a minute!

SURPRISE STYLUS NUMBER ONE - "The Rose" by Westlife.

― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Wednesday, 13 December 2006 16:39 (nineteen years ago)

it always amazes me when half of these lists are stuff I've never heard and people still cry 'popism'

― Al (Alex In Baltimore), Wednesday, 13 December 2006 16:52 (nineteen years ago)

ilm popism = stuff actual people have never heard

― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Wednesday, 13 December 2006 16:53 (nineteen years ago)

I'm thinking it'll be "What You Know."

― clotpoll (clotpoll), Thursday, 14 December 2006 00:46 (nineteen years ago)

It will be promiscuous girl

― Mr. Snrub (Mr. Snrub), Thursday, 14 December 2006 01:00 (nineteen years ago)

It will be "Empire" by Kasabian

― Dom Passantino (DomPassantino), Thursday, 14 December 2006 01:17 (nineteen years ago)

It will be "Yo (Excuse Me Miss)" by Chris Brown

― Dom Passantino (DomPassantino), Thursday, 14 December 2006 01:17 (nineteen years ago)

It will be "What? What You Got?" by Little Man Tate

― Dom Passantino (DomPassantino), Thursday, 14 December 2006 01:18 (nineteen years ago)

It will be "Fade" by Solu Music featuring Kimblee

― Dom Passantino (DomPassantino), Thursday, 14 December 2006 01:18 (nineteen years ago)

It will be "Losing A Friend" by Nylon

― Dom Passantino (DomPassantino), Thursday, 14 December 2006 01:19 (nineteen years ago)

It will be "Sleepwalking" by Maria Wilson

― Dom Passantino (DomPassantino), Thursday, 14 December 2006 01:19 (nineteen years ago)

At the rate it's going, it will be Kasabian! Hah!

― editio princeps (pato.g27), Thursday, 14 December 2006 03:56 (nineteen years ago)

It will be bullshit, and we established this wayyyyy upthread.

― whoop de doodle (kenan), Thursday, 14 December 2006 03:57 (nineteen years ago)

It will be "Look" by MC Hammer

― Rodney and His Gang vs. Mr. Tooth Decay (Rodney J. Greene), Thursday, 14 December 2006 07:08 (nineteen years ago)

is that the sequal to have you seen her?

― chaki (chaki), Thursday, 14 December 2006 08:08 (nineteen years ago)

is that the sequel to have you seen her?

― chaki (chaki), Thursday, 14 December 2006 08:09 (nineteen years ago)

No, it's his hyphy song!

― Rodney and His Gang vs. Mr. Tooth Decay (Rodney J. Greene), Thursday, 14 December 2006 08:17 (nineteen years ago)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T9ra_OYoWBA

― Rodney and His Gang vs. Mr. Tooth Decay (Rodney J. Greene), Thursday, 14 December 2006 08:19 (nineteen years ago)

Theon Weber sums up 'We Share Our Mothers Health' nicely.

― sede vacante (blueski), Thursday, 14 December 2006 09:34 (nineteen years ago)

Good to see mad propz to "Boys From School" at #11, which I was worried was going to be lost in the shadows of "Over and Over" at the year end. Better than "Over and Over"? Well...

― editio princeps (pato.g27), Thursday, 14 December 2006 12:40 (nineteen years ago)

meanwhile what does it say about list-obsessed ILM that nobody here could be bothered to organise an ILM EOY poll?

― sede vacante (blueski), Thursday, 14 December 2006 12:49 (nineteen years ago)

That we thought we'd back on real-ILM by now and it might be better doing it there?

― ailsa_xx (ailsa_xx), Thursday, 14 December 2006 12:50 (nineteen years ago)

2. It's the moderators' job...

― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Thursday, 14 December 2006 12:50 (nineteen years ago)

^^^

― editio princeps (pato.g27), Thursday, 14 December 2006 12:54 (nineteen years ago)

we didn't have one last year either tho ailsa

― sede vacante (blueski), Thursday, 14 December 2006 13:01 (nineteen years ago)

Why don't you organise one then?

― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Thursday, 14 December 2006 13:03 (nineteen years ago)

Did we not? I was sure I started doing a list then couldn't be arsed with it.

― ailsa_xx (ailsa_xx), Thursday, 14 December 2006 13:05 (nineteen years ago)

Why don't you organise one then?

Too many other things on the go. Plus have a feeling that ILM is too disparate now (regardless of sandbox) for it to sustain a sufficient level of interest or indeed produce particularly interesting results.

― sede vacante (blueski), Thursday, 14 December 2006 13:08 (nineteen years ago)

we had an albums poll tho?

The Good Dr Bill (who IIRC did it last year on ILM) is doing it on soundopinions.com
Albums of the Year
Singles of the Year

although it's not going to come out quite the same over there.... I think there's a curse on phpbb that seems to attract the "I ~~downloaded~~heard a billion albums (twice) this year I KNOW MUSIC" types.

― Da Mystery of Sandboxin' (fandango), Thursday, 14 December 2006 13:12 (nineteen years ago)

Also, Hinder would probably come top (xpost).

― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Thursday, 14 December 2006 13:13 (nineteen years ago)

wouldn't a disparate ILM list be more interesting than a hivemind one?

― Da Mystery of Sandboxin' (fandango), Thursday, 14 December 2006 13:14 (nineteen years ago)

What's the difference between a disparate ILM list and individual ILMers just doing their own lists (which most of us are doing anyway)?

― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Thursday, 14 December 2006 13:15 (nineteen years ago)

and if I'd bothered to google first I'd know Billy Dods deserves the credit, close but... wrong.

http://64.233.183.104/search?q=cache:7oaI00HKX-QJ:ilx.wh3rd.net/thread.php%3Fmsgid%3D6599968+site:ilx.wh3rd.net+albums+2005&hl=en&gl=uk&ct=clnk&cd=6

― Da Mystery of Sandboxin' (fandango), Thursday, 14 December 2006 13:16 (nineteen years ago)

ack. my bad for not remembering that at all.

― sede vacante (blueski), Thursday, 14 December 2006 13:20 (nineteen years ago)

I'd rather have a year end list on the best and worst music writing than the best and worst music, tbh.

― Dom Passantino (DomPassantino), Thursday, 14 December 2006 13:23 (nineteen years ago)

We really don't need that excuse for the usual ILx flame wars to ignite again.

― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Thursday, 14 December 2006 13:25 (nineteen years ago)

Yay, a circle jerk!

― Rodney and His Gang vs. Mr. Tooth Decay (Rodney J. Greene), Thursday, 14 December 2006 13:26 (nineteen years ago)

err, "xp"

― Rodney and His Gang vs. Mr. Tooth Decay (Rodney J. Greene), Thursday, 14 December 2006 13:26 (nineteen years ago)

We did a poll last year, but not the year before. Steve organized a singles poll in 2003.

― jaymc (jaymc), Thursday, 14 December 2006 16:48 (nineteen years ago)

Oh wait, never mind: Good Dr. Bill did the ILM poll in 2004. Whatever.

― jaymc (jaymc), Thursday, 14 December 2006 16:50 (nineteen years ago)

Knobheads.

― Michael Jones (MichaelJ), Thursday, 14 December 2006 17:03 (nineteen years ago)

Talulah get off ILM!

― sede vacante (blueski), Thursday, 14 December 2006 17:10 (nineteen years ago)

I suppose ILM EOY poll concept has always been dogged by the fact that half the board are already engaged in EOY polls for the publications and websites they write for (inc. their own blog) so it all gets a bit too much, plus P&J/JP and whatnot.

Looking at last year's ILM album list tho, I personally like how much more pop-orientated it looks compared to recognised website and magazine lists posted on ILM. Really tho all I would like to see is a fine balance without blandness. I'd suggest ILM is, or was - at least theoretically and given its traffic even today, better placed to achieve that than anywhere concerned about sales, demographics etc. but I guess it's been said before and will be again.

― sede vacante (blueski), Thursday, 14 December 2006 17:15 (nineteen years ago)

I'd rather have a year end list on the best and worst music writing than the best and worst music, tbh.

Congratulations on THE WORST IDEA IN THE HISTORY OF ILX, Dom.

― Matt DC (Matt DC), Thursday, 14 December 2006 22:38 (nineteen years ago)

You're selling Grout short there, Matt.

― Dom Passantino (DomPassantino), Thursday, 14 December 2006 22:41 (nineteen years ago)

I think Steve has a point in that there's a seeming lack of consensus this year, but it's possible that reflects the current state of music rather than the state of ILM.

There hasn't been much consensus on music full stop - there certainly hasn't been a Work It/Crazy In Love/Hey Ya/Toxic/1 Thing ULTIMATE POP DESTROYER. There's been maybe Crazy, and SexyBack and the two Nelly F singles at a push, but it's not quite the same.

― Matt DC (Matt DC), Thursday, 14 December 2006 22:43 (nineteen years ago)

It's curious that ILM has been generally lukewarm about Crazy, which in the Actual World Out There has been every bit as much an "ultimate pop destroyer" as any of the records mentioned above, though out of that list only "Hey Ya" would qualify as a genuine crossover, i.e. the rare pop record everyone from Lou Reed to Linda Robson can agree on.

― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Friday, 15 December 2006 09:12 (nineteen years ago)

also, anyone who ever liked pop music on ilm has either a) left or b) turned into a pop-hating grumpy grandad

(apart from me)

― lexpretend (lexpretend), Friday, 15 December 2006 09:24 (nineteen years ago)

http://muppet.wikia.com/images/c/c9/OG-p0002-ST.jpg

― Rodney and His Gang vs. Mr. Tooth Decay (Rodney J. Greene), Friday, 15 December 2006 09:30 (nineteen years ago)

I like good pop, of which there was very little in 2006.

― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Friday, 15 December 2006 09:51 (nineteen years ago)

So, not much surprises on the top, business as usual Stylus. I think 'Sexyback' is much better than 'My Love', also 'Maneater' kicks the shit out of the namby-pamby 'Promiscuous'. Good to see 'Valentine' in the Top 5 though.

― zeus (zeus), Friday, 15 December 2006 11:25 (nineteen years ago)

Very surprised by lack of "Ain't No Other Man". I thought it was a given.

― Rodney and His Gang vs. Mr. Tooth Decay (Rodney J. Greene), Friday, 15 December 2006 11:36 (nineteen years ago)

It’s hard for guys to sing the chorus of a girl’s song.

is this really true??????

omg if it is you str8 men are even more lame than i'd previously thought!

― lexpretend (lexpretend), Friday, 15 December 2006 11:37 (nineteen years ago)

also the 'irreplaceable' blurb implies that 'upgrade u' was a single as well? really? i thought 'irreplaceable' was the 3rd single in the states and 2nd over here.

― lexpretend (lexpretend), Friday, 15 December 2006 11:39 (nineteen years ago)

"Upgrade U" wasn't properly a single, but got radio play in some places. And, yeah it is true, although singing "Promiscuous Girl" around girls is a great thing.

― Rodney and His Gang vs. Mr. Tooth Decay (Rodney J. Greene), Friday, 15 December 2006 11:53 (nineteen years ago)

the thing about 'promiscuous' is that i don't think 'promiscuous' is even the word they're looking for, it's not about promiscuity in any way and yet they pluck that word out of nowhere as some bizarro compliment to each other. i like to sing both nelly and tim's parts on it.

we're getting 'ring the alarm' in the new year, i assume 'upgrade u' will be the proper 4th single though, which is great because it is great.

― lexpretend (lexpretend), Friday, 15 December 2006 11:56 (nineteen years ago)

Doesn't do much for me, I'm afraid. I'm holding out hope for "Get Me Bodied".

Hearing "Pull Shapes" for the first time, it's a great song, but what does the titular phrase have to do with anything. It seems like they just picked two words at random.

― Rodney and His Gang vs. Mr. Tooth Decay (Rodney J. Greene), Friday, 15 December 2006 12:17 (nineteen years ago)

So what if they did?

― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Friday, 15 December 2006 12:29 (nineteen years ago)

I think the 'so what' is in how it's noticeable, and doesn't really do anything for the song other than fill a gap... they may as well have chirped "pop scene!" or "chorus here" and it would be no less banal.

Enough good singles in that list, very few GREAT ones. I don't like 'Crazy' either, horribly ambitious-yet-mediocre dull sounding production, overrated song.

― Da Mystery of Sandboxin' (fandango), Friday, 15 December 2006 12:48 (nineteen years ago)

i don't mind it in itself but that Research song seems ridiculously high.

― sede vacante (blueski), Friday, 15 December 2006 12:50 (nineteen years ago)

I'm not sure why I disliked the Nelly Furtado single so much earlier this year. I was very wrong.

― Da Mystery of Sandboxin' (fandango), Friday, 15 December 2006 13:16 (nineteen years ago)

also, anyone who ever liked pop music on ilm has either a) left or b) turned into a pop-hating grumpy grandad
(apart from me)

-- lexpretend (lexusjee...), December 15th, 2006.

otm

― editio princeps (pato.g27), Friday, 15 December 2006 13:18 (nineteen years ago)

"Crazy" was predictable as the No. 1 but probably the right choice. Def. in my Top Three, anyway.

BTW, today's review of that Youth Group album has restored my faith in Stylus.

― editio princeps (pato.g27), Friday, 15 December 2006 13:20 (nineteen years ago)

"swastika-shaped peter crouch"!!

― tsk. (rrrrrtc), Friday, 15 December 2006 14:12 (nineteen years ago)

http://i.jubii.dk/rd/dynamic/gallery/Peter+Crouch

― M Grout (Mark Grout), Friday, 15 December 2006 14:15 (nineteen years ago)

http://www.thefootballforum.net/forums/index.php?showtopic=88836

but there is a much better 'swastika' photo of him that i posted on olde-ILX a few months back

― sede vacante (blueski), Friday, 15 December 2006 14:15 (nineteen years ago)

ahh right, i was thinking of the original robot silhouette.

― tsk. (rrrrrtc), Friday, 15 December 2006 14:28 (nineteen years ago)

yeah I hear "Upgrade U" on the radio at least as much as any of Beyonce's proper singles, it's currently #11 on Billboard's R&B/Hip Hop chart.

― Al (Alex In Baltimore), Friday, 15 December 2006 15:03 (nineteen years ago)

I totally forgot about the T.I. track after caning it during the first half of 2006 but it really does deserve its top three placing.

It’s hard for guys to sing the chorus of a girl’s song.
is this really true??????

omg if it is you str8 men are even more lame than i'd previously thought!

-- lexpretend (lexusjee...), December 15th, 2006.

Alex don't make me bring up the time you tried to do Madonna karaoke again.

― Matt DC (Matt DC), Friday, 15 December 2006 15:14 (nineteen years ago)

I really dislike Crazy, it totally baffles me in that I can't see WHY people like it so much. I can see what its trying to do, but, like, where are the dynamics?

Also Dangermouse is a really dull producer.

― Matt DC (Matt DC), Friday, 15 December 2006 15:16 (nineteen years ago)

i prefer 'Smiley Faces' as stated before.

where are the dynamics?

Cee-Lo's vocal? the choir/strings?

when it came out i thought it wouldn't actually work very well on a dancefloor compared to say Mr Scruff's 'Get A Move On' but that may just be because it's got this big epic sentimentality behind it rather than 'just dance, idiot'

― sede vacante (blueski), Friday, 15 December 2006 15:28 (nineteen years ago)

GB performing 'Crazy' as a ballad/slow torch song live instead suggesting there may be something in that.

― sede vacante (blueski), Friday, 15 December 2006 15:30 (nineteen years ago)

that's what you get for putting out three top-drawer singles off one album, nelly!

Four!

― Hillary Brown (hillarybrown), Friday, 15 December 2006 20:55 (nineteen years ago)

Five!

― Rodney and His Gang vs. Mr. Tooth Decay (Rodney J. Greene), Friday, 15 December 2006 21:11 (nineteen years ago)

i meant three top-drawer monster singles; five is right though and it could easily be seven. loose should work better as an album but is hampered by all the songs which aren't awesome being appalling.

it's really obvious why 'crazy' was the massive hit it was; this doesn't change the fact that dangermouse's production plods like a very plodding plodder thing.

― lexpretend (lexpretend), Saturday, 16 December 2006 03:25 (nineteen years ago)

jaymc = my closest a-alike. I am quite obviously bored.

― Rodney picks up his saxophone and dooms the white power structure (Rodney J. Gre, Sunday, 17 December 2006 09:03 (nineteen years ago)

Whales and bulldozers do not need to be nimble or funky or clever and neither does "What You Know."

i appreciate the #2 placing, which is where i put it too (behind "pull shapes"), but this description is 180 degrees wrong. in what way is "what you know" not nimble, funky or clever? those seem to me to be its primary attributes. (maybe these are english definitions of "nimble," "funky" and "clever" that i don't understand.)

― tipsy mothra (tipsy mothra), Sunday, 17 December 2006 09:43 (nineteen years ago)

(also, the problem with "crazy" -- which is almost-great -- is that IT'S TOO FAST.)

― tipsy mothra (tipsy mothra), Sunday, 17 December 2006 09:46 (nineteen years ago)

"Crazy" is the only song this year that's lost status with me because of radio play. I've heard it so many times that it sounds dull. But I think this says something about the song's quality, though, because the equally successful (well, at least locally) "Me and U" still sounds fresh with every listen.

Oh, and why is "Shooter" not getting votes? Is it not as good as I think it is, or are people considering it a 2005 song?

― Tape Store (Tape Store), Sunday, 17 December 2006 18:32 (nineteen years ago)

in what way is "what you know" not nimble, funky or clever? those seem to me to be its primary attributes. (maybe these are english definitions of "nimble," "funky" and "clever" that i don't understand.)

I don't know? What definitions of 'nimble' and 'funky' are you working from? Because What You Know is patently neither nimble nor funky to me. Clever I'll get back to you on.

It doesn't try to be nimble. It STRIDES. You can't stride in a nimble way, it's impossible. It isn't funky because it's STATELY. It's stately because he is THE KING. You can't be stately and funky at the same time, one detracts from the other.

I'm surprised at the high placing of Pull Shapes. I think its a cracking record but so many people seem to have viewed it with such suspicion that I never expected it to even feature in any list.

― Matt DC (Matt DC), Sunday, 17 December 2006 21:30 (nineteen years ago)

If there's a problem with "Crazy," it's definitly not that it's too fast. I've heard some of those slow live versions and they are awful.

― arthritic hand golden fist (RSLaRue), Sunday, 17 December 2006 21:35 (nineteen years ago)

"Pull Shapes" is fucking awful.

― Raw Patrick (Raw Patrick), Sunday, 17 December 2006 22:34 (nineteen years ago)

COSIGN

― Dom Passantino (DomPassantino), Sunday, 17 December 2006 22:47 (nineteen years ago)

god yeah it is. are they talking about a remix we're not privy to?

― tremendoid (tremendoid), Sunday, 17 December 2006 22:50 (nineteen years ago)

You can't stride in a nimble way, it's impossible.

matt THIS IS HOW I MOVE. AT ALL TIIIIIIMES.

'pull shapes' is funny. it's not v good but it amuses me when sundry rape fantasists are all like IT'S AWFUL cos they have issues with girls in pretty vintage dresses ~~turning them down~~ ~~being nazis~~ wvs.

i'm mostly surprised that non-uk people heard it to vote for it in the first place; all that proves is that it is too easy these days for americans to hear crap british indie.

― lexpretend (lexpretend), Monday, 18 December 2006 01:20 (nineteen years ago)

'what you know' is so fucking good though.

― lexpretend (lexpretend), Monday, 18 December 2006 01:21 (nineteen years ago)

When did Lex become my own personal Stan? Did I miss a meeting?

― Dom Passantino (DomPassantino), Monday, 18 December 2006 01:24 (nineteen years ago)

who is stan?

― lexpretend (lexpretend), Monday, 18 December 2006 01:32 (nineteen years ago)

nice one on the inclusion of sasse's "loosing touch"!! i played the dub of that one like crazy this year.

awesome gnarls photo at the bottom/top there...

― josh (josh.), Monday, 18 December 2006 01:53 (nineteen years ago)

who is stan?

Stan Boardman, Liverpool comedian.

Not too plzed about the 'sundry' there.

― Raw Patrick (Raw Patrick), Monday, 18 December 2006 09:21 (nineteen years ago)

Hearing "Pull Shapes" for the first time, it's a great song, but what does the titular phrase have to do with anything. It seems like they just picked two words at random.

To pull shapes is a horrible (70s? earlier?) expression meaning to dance.

― ailsa_xx (ailsa_xx), Monday, 18 December 2006 10:11 (nineteen years ago)

i'd like to see the Pipettes in 'hip hop' clobber

― sede vacante (blueski), Monday, 18 December 2006 10:50 (nineteen years ago)

Haven't the pippettes stopped yet? FFS . . .

― Johnney B has zeros off the line (stigoftdumpilx), Monday, 18 December 2006 10:56 (nineteen years ago)

You can't stride in a nimble way, it's impossible.

matt THIS IS HOW I MOVE. AT ALL TIIIIIIMES.

"Well you can tell by the way I use my walk..."

― Sick Mouthy (sickmouthy), Monday, 18 December 2006 11:11 (nineteen years ago)

stride nimbly? stagger drunkenly more like

― sede vacante (blueski), Monday, 18 December 2006 11:13 (nineteen years ago)

matt was otm, nimble is like, nimble fingers, or walking along ledges type shit.

― temporary enrique (temporary enrique), Monday, 18 December 2006 11:13 (nineteen years ago)

i totally stride nimbly!

― lexpretend (lexpretend), Monday, 18 December 2006 11:21 (nineteen years ago)

sometimes at the same time as staggering drunkenly

― lexpretend (lexpretend), Monday, 18 December 2006 11:21 (nineteen years ago)

You can't be stately and funky at the same time, one detracts from the other.

:-O

― Matt Cibula (Formerly, the Haikunym), Monday, 18 December 2006 13:10 (nineteen years ago)

P.Funk has disproven your theory.

― Matt Cibula (Formerly, the Haikunym), Monday, 18 December 2006 13:15 (nineteen years ago)

And King Gustav.

― Dom Passantino (DomPassantino), Monday, 18 December 2006 13:16 (nineteen years ago)

I figured that was the whole point ... she's doing this cocktease charade while he tries to act all smooth about it, but they both realize that they're only playing characters in a courtship sequence that is well-known to both of them. Where it's all leading isn't in doubt from the very start.

― No Time Before Time (Barry Barry), Monday, 18 December 2006 13:36 (nineteen years ago)

Before anyone asks, I'm not mentioning the Pitchfork list. To the devil you go, Timberlake.

― editio princeps (pato.g27), Monday, 18 December 2006 13:44 (nineteen years ago)

In Amy Diamond, the racist creeps at Stylus finally found their wettest dream—a fourteen-year-old Norwegian girl squeaking out agonizingly precise pop music about subjects she probably has no real concept of.

smirk

― sede vacante (blueski), Monday, 18 December 2006 13:47 (nineteen years ago)

what's nimble about "what you know" is the vocal. t.i.'s way more playful than he is declarative. he dances around the beat, and he has a lot of room because of the song's slow glide. and you can definitely be stately and funky -- second-line rhythms, e.g. the production is big, but it rolls more than it thuds. the description in the write-up makes the song sound like some kind of show of brute force, which is not how i hear it at all.

― tipsy mothra (tipsy mothra), Monday, 18 December 2006 13:57 (nineteen years ago)

Surprised that Final Fantasy is so low. If I'd been allowed to vote for albums (not just singles), it probably would've been higher: it's my #3.

― jaymc (jaymc), Monday, 18 December 2006 14:33 (nineteen years ago)

Who are the gents in the cover/header between Kyp Malone & Ghostface?

― Rodney picks up his saxophone and dooms the white power structure (Rodney J. Gre, Monday, 18 December 2006 16:42 (nineteen years ago)

The one on the left is John Darnielle.

― jaymc (jaymc), Monday, 18 December 2006 16:58 (nineteen years ago)

And the one on the right is probably Craig Finn (Hold Steady)...?

― jaymc (jaymc), Monday, 18 December 2006 16:58 (nineteen years ago)

Judge for yourself:

http://static.flickr.com/10/13287898_76ebb8e4de.jpg?v=0

― jaymc (jaymc), Monday, 18 December 2006 17:00 (nineteen years ago)

I can't believe Sasse's Loosing Touch is as high as it is. The vocal sounds like something lifted from Udo Kier's character in My Own Private Idaho.

― Super (Super), Monday, 18 December 2006 18:40 (nineteen years ago)

So Stylus got rid of comments?

― jaymc (jaymc), Tuesday, 19 December 2006 18:03 (nineteen years ago)

i hope for good!

― Al (Alex In Baltimore), Tuesday, 19 December 2006 18:11 (nineteen years ago)

Me too. RIP The Dis-Exists, meatbreak, cwperry, JessGraves, raskolnikov, Zarklephaser, and the rest.

― jaymc (jaymc), Tuesday, 19 December 2006 18:13 (nineteen years ago)

Nope, I think that's all of them. I hope they swapped email addresses :(

― Da Mystery of Sandboxin' (fandango), Tuesday, 19 December 2006 18:31 (nineteen years ago)

We're in ur comments box, mistaking it for a ~~message board~~ chat room.

― Da Mystery of Sandboxin' (fandango), Tuesday, 19 December 2006 18:32 (nineteen years ago)

Kindly stuff at $5 bill in Jess Graves' cup on your way out, please.

― Alfred Soto (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 19 December 2006 18:49 (nineteen years ago)

at least a couple of those are also ilm-ers aren't they?

― Da Mystery of Sandboxin' (fandango), Tuesday, 19 December 2006 18:58 (nineteen years ago)

well, they certainly all seemed like the same person with viewpoints cleverly contrived to make as much noise as possible. as the joker says in the original batman after electrocuting the guy with the hand-buzzer, "you are a vicious bastard, rotelli, and i'm glad you're dead."

― mike powell (mike powell), Tuesday, 19 December 2006 19:40 (nineteen years ago)

and re: nimble v. funky, i do think that funky and stately aren't diametrically opposed, but i also agree with matt upthread that "what you know" banks more on its HUGEITUDE than its bounce. hugeitude isn't exclusive to the aforementioned 'roll,' but come on, it's not 'rubber band man' and it's definitely not 'bring 'em out.'

― mike powell (mike powell), Tuesday, 19 December 2006 19:42 (nineteen years ago)

Zarklephaser posts to ILX as Stephen Bush or something to that effect.

― Dom Passantino (DomPassantino), Tuesday, 19 December 2006 22:22 (nineteen years ago)

I would assume a Stylus list wouldn't this fucking indie, but Jesus Fucking Christmas.

― Rodney picks up his saxophone and dooms the white power structure (Rodney J. Gre, Wednesday, 20 December 2006 09:23 (nineteen years ago)

GHOSTFACE

― jaymc (jaymc), Friday, 22 December 2006 16:14 (nineteen years ago)

KILLAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH, NEVA COULD BE ILLA!!!!

(well actually could, this is like his fourth-best album)

― Rodney is wise enough to know when a gift needs givin' (Rodney J. Greene), Friday, 22 December 2006 16:22 (nineteen years ago)

If you mean Supreme Clientele > Ironman >= Cuban Linx* > Fishscale I won't hate on that.

― f. scott baio (natepatrin), Friday, 22 December 2006 17:11 (nineteen years ago)

Rather: Supreme > Toney > Ironman > Fishscale

I wasn't taking OB4CL into concideration, but the point stands either way.

― Rodney is wise enough to know when a gift needs givin' (Rodney J. Greene), Friday, 22 December 2006 17:23 (nineteen years ago)

This is kinda like giving the Cy Young to Trevor Hoffman this season.

― turd burglary (turd burglary), Friday, 22 December 2006 17:30 (nineteen years ago)

best bulletproof wallets tracks > best fishscale tracks

― deej (deej), Friday, 22 December 2006 19:18 (nineteen years ago)

this is a pretty good list though.

― deej (deej), Friday, 22 December 2006 19:22 (nineteen years ago)

Toney's better than Clientele.

― Sick Mouthy (sickmouthy), Friday, 22 December 2006 22:53 (nineteen years ago)

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