probably my favorite rap album 2011

I haven't seen any talk about Boldy James' "Trappers Alley: Pro's and Cons" on here. I've listened to it maybe 300 times in the past few months. his show here in october was amazing. Let's discuss

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l9vg7eAanDQ

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0-s8fTkDtKg&hd=1

The first video is dope. He's not the most spectacular rapper but i'll listen to it. I bet i'll need several listens to get into it.

can we make this a year end goon thread? i'm kinda bummed that i can't pore over the gun sounds thread to remind myself of what albums/mixtapes i still need to hear.

i mean if it's really important to have a dedicated boldy james thread i won't infringe upon it w/ my idea

i would like to read a list of yr top rap albums tbh

it's not very long, that's why i need to listen to more!

feel like tpp's Goon Report: Live From The Sandbox is called for here

yeah srsly

tempted to post all the corny rap shit i loved this year just to troll/get you dudes to school me

http://www.youngmoneyhq.com/images/gudda-guddaville-front.jpg

kinda caught off-guard but i can def. make a 2011 goon list

i really feel though that this year has been less and less about tapes and more about individual songs (possibly true every year but hey)

what im saying is i've never heard of 'boldy james' unfortunately but i'm british and only really hear about rap music thru u goons etc.

THE GOON REPORT: END OF YEAR EDITION

i will think about this when i'm sober tomorrow

nice of them to take notice right before the marlins broke ground. they can really save the taxpayers some money before things get out of hand.

(whoops)

it's not like anyone in the states has heard of him either. he's straight 'regional thug' status.

best sandbox dn yet

even tho deej will harbor severe butthurt over REGIONAL THUGGATE for the indefinite future, we at least got our 2012 thread title out of it

Boldy tracks are okay? I like the production but the rapping is sorta monotone flat and undistinguished. Could be a grower.

i think rolling white girl thread is >>> regional thug but w/e

its def a grower -- hes def not a flashy rapper in any way. if any of yall are feeling cormega, he's like a midwest version of that

my problem w/ regional thug is the implication that as a category none of these artists deserve your attention, or that they're the fucking rap equiv of jerk music or something, or that they are permanently exiled to being less-covered than g-side when imo there's a huge variety w/in that stupid little bubble

but interpret it as me being 'butthurt' even though that makes no sense if you want

i'm ok with this being a year-end thread, as long as at least a few of you are willing to discuss /check out the rapper mentioned at the top; his album is one i've come back to a lot

'regional thug' is just straight up disrespectful frankly

who's the producer on these boldy james tracks? it's got a nice premier feel to it.

well at least the second one does.

"Concrete Connie" is produced by Brains, "I Sold Dope All My Life" is produced by The Plug. I don't really hear the Premier thing on "Concrete Connie" too much. Maybe it's because I know Boldy's from Detroit but to me this is in that same vein of cracked/distorted-street-soul music as Dilla's overall vibe w/out sounding particularly dilla-ish

ok i really like these thanks deej or whoever you are

thnx yeah i recommend the entire record tho. this shit will have you sagging your karl kanis and walking with a gangster lean
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qcfU0JCnszA

my problem w/ regional thug is the implication that as a category none of these artists deserve your attention, or that they're the fucking rap equiv of jerk music or something, or that they are permanently exiled to being less-covered than g-side when imo there's a huge variety w/in that stupid little bubble

but interpret it as me being 'butthurt' even though that makes no sense if you want

― joey joe joe junior shabadoo, Saturday, December 3, 2011 4:47 AM (Yesterday) Bookmark Permalink

oh c'mon you are so butthurt.

'regional' has NEVER been pejorative in rap, it just means an artist that has the kind of LOCAL STREET LEVEL FOLLOWING that you value so much

super butthurt

rolling racks on racks >>> rolling regional thug >>> rolling white girl

but all fine choices

gonna be super fucking glad to see gun sounds go

'rolling i really need to have sex with tip thread' could be the rap thread OR the gay thread

btw i was on wikipedia and typed in 'boldy james' to see if he had an entry and all the mentions were from him being on songs with the cool kids and asher roth and big sean. this is a guy deej is excited about?

rolling tumblr white plz

everytime I hear 'china white' in a rap song nowadays I picture whiney going 'TUMBLR WHITE!' and making bugeyes

rolling tumblr white (up in the club)

'tumblr whites' has kept popping into my head in the last coupla days making me smile i admit

rolling tumblr white plz

― dayo, Sunday, December 4, 2011 12:11 PM (15 minutes ago)

'regional' has NEVER been pejorative in rap, it just means an artist that has the kind of LOCAL STREET LEVEL FOLLOWING that you value so much

― i already regret not just being 'some dude' again (Mr. Stevenson #2), Sunday, December 4, 2011 6:24 AM (8 hours ago) Bookmark Permalink

it is a pejorative when a wide variety of artists are lumped into a category called 'regional THUGS' while certain particular artists are put into noble categores like 'hard working weedheads' and 'blue color rappers.' im angry about the lack of respect shown by the chart for history & for perspective, that doesn't make me 'butthurt' & any time someone is angry you guys throw around 'butthurt!!!' like you've scored major points

btw i was on wikipedia and typed in 'boldy james' to see if he had an entry and all the mentions were from him being on songs with the cool kids and asher roth and big sean. this is a guy deej is excited about?

― i already regret not just being 'some dude' again (Mr. Stevenson #2), Sunday, December 4, 2011 11:10 AM (4 hours ago) Bookmark Permalink

yeah i'm as shocked as anyone. on his record there's even a cool kid guest verse (an asher roth one would have been distracting but i don't really have a problem w/ michael rocks, i actually really liked "cell dope" from earlier this year)

also fwiw i disagree that regional thug = has a big following, it's obviously true of a few artists on there but it isn't the case of boldy james particularly -- i mean he has fans, but not like the jacka does where he can live off regional money (at least not yet) nor do i see why having been smart enough to develop a scene regionally makes one a 'regional thug' as if its a permanent albatross to be hung around their necks

im angry about the lack of respect shown by the chart

this is why you're hilarious fyi

'regional' has NEVER been pejorative in rap, it just means an artist that has the kind of LOCAL STREET LEVEL FOLLOWING that you value so much

― i already regret not just being 'some dude' again (Mr. Stevenson #2), Sunday, December 4, 2011 6:24 AM (8 hours ago) Bookmark Permalink

it is a pejorative when a wide variety of artists are lumped into a category called 'regional THUGS' while certain particular artists are put into noble categores like 'hard working weedheads' and 'blue color rappers.' im angry about the lack of respect shown by the chart for history & for perspective, that doesn't make me 'butthurt' & any time someone is angry you guys throw around 'butthurt!!!' like you've scored major points

― joey joe joe junior shabadoo, Sunday, December 4, 2011 4:18 PM (16 minutes ago)

i kind of agree with this. more than anything using 'thug' perjoratively in this context attempts to dismiss gangster rap as a whole as dated or irrelevant; in a sense maybe it is, given what's popular on the charts and judging by what's getting the high-profile critical love

it might've been an inadvertent slight

anyway, stevenson dude otm

this is why you're hilarious fyi

― i already regret not just being 'some dude' again (Mr. Stevenson #2), Sunday, December 4, 2011 3:33 PM (4 minutes ago) Bookmark Permalink

why is that hilarious to you? these are artists trying to make careers & i certainly dont think they're above making fun of, but this was irresponsible imo

no, stevenson dude off tm

its not like im the only one thinking this
https://twitter.com/#!/Combat_Jack/status/141013331304660992

it's funny that you're still worked up over a SPIN magazine chart that will have zero real world impact

by what measure? by the measure of music writing? in that case we might as well give up now bcuz none of us will ever have real world impact, who reads blogs, lol

+ there are actual insults on that chart, i don't think "regional thugs and coke rappers" is one of them

well, you're wrong, it is one

we've gone over this before but the variety of artists in there is like 10x that of other categories, to me its not journalistic or historically responsible, i guess those arent concerns for you which is fine but i don't see why its wrong for me to say this or for you to think i'm overreacting or w/e

i mean it's not WRONG for you to say it, but it does make you look very petty

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n1PPlJfFzjs

deej looks nothing like tom petty

leave the dad jokes to the god, dayo

I'm the god of dad jokes?

i kind of agree with this. more than anything using 'thug' perjoratively in this context attempts to dismiss gangster rap as a whole as dated or irrelevant; in a sense maybe it is, given what's popular on the charts and judging by what's getting the high-profile critical love

― k3vin k., Sunday, December 4, 2011 3:38 PM (13 minutes ago) Bookmark Permalink

exactly

over half of the artists get "dismissed" on that chart -- it's mildly snarky -- it's really not a big deal

+ there are actual insults on that chart, i don't think "regional thugs and coke rappers" is one of them

well, you're wrong, it is one

haha why?

for the reasons i've posted already

i guess i was looking for s.thing coherent but fair enough

are you really struggling with it? theres so much more variety in that little bubble than there is between any of the artists in virtually any other category

variety & range in terms of quality, as well

http://bensix.files.wordpress.com/2011/10/helen-lovejoy1.jpg

Will someone PLEASE thing of Killa Kyleon

*think

i can't believe i get to explain to lex AND deej in the same weekend that you don't get to decide when other people think you're funny

killa kyleon put out better music this year than anyone on the left side of that chart fwiw

im angry about the lack of respect shown by the chart

can't believe SPIN didn't pay proper respect to people named "Tity Boi" and "Nacho Picasso"

i can't believe i get to explain to lex AND deej in the same weekend that you don't get to decide when other people think you're funny

― i already regret not just being 'some dude' again (Mr. Stevenson #2), Sunday, December 4, 2011 4:37 PM (3 minutes ago) Bookmark Permalink

??? who said i was trying to be funny? what are you talking abt?

killa kyleon put out better music this year than anyone on the left side of that chart fwiw

― k3vin k., Sunday, December 4, 2011 4:40 PM (55 seconds ago) Bookmark

uh

as glad as i am that this got turned into another referendum on deej thinking that chart was self-serving ahistorical b.s. i started this thread about a particular rap album & if it's not going to be about that, or about ya'lls favorite records this year, then i'm just going to ask a mod to lock it bcuz this is really boring.

http://thypolarlife.files.wordpress.com/2011/10/kids-police-costume.jpg

killa kyleon put out better music this year than anyone on the left side of that chart fwiw

― k3vin k., Sunday, December 4, 2011 4:40 PM (55 seconds ago) Bookmark

uh

― v-shasty, Sunday, December 4, 2011 5:42 PM (5 minutes ago)

oh i forgot about ilx's drake fanbase

are you really struggling with it? theres so much more variety in that little bubble than there is between any of the artists in virtually any other category

i think it get what your getting at here but i mean... idk from the outside you look deranged

lol xp - i really liked that kendrick lamar mixtape idk if thats superlame or not

i think it get what your getting at here but i mean... idk from the outside you look deranged

lol xp - i really liked that kendrick lamar mixtape idk if thats superlame or not

― є(٥_ ٥)э, Sunday, December 4, 2011 4:49 PM (1 second ago) Bookmark Permalink

and this has nothing to do w/ jordan's constantly positioning himself as the 'reasonable center' of ilx disagreeing w/ me

the lamar mixtape is dope.

i dont understand what's 'deranged' !! please explain it.

question asked, question answered

like, i don't know what else to tell you; the framework of the chart serves certain artists a lot more than it does others.

if moving on with your life after SPIN magazine put out a rap music infographic, is considered being the reasonable center, then i guess i am that, yes

question asked, question answered

― HUSTLA DA =:3 (dealwithit.gif), Sunday, December 4, 2011 4:51 PM (3 seconds ago) Bookmark Permalink

shouldnt you be trying the "LOL DEEJ LIKES [ANY ARTIST DEEJ HAS EVER MENTIONED]" punchline for the 8043rd time?

if moving on with your life after SPIN magazine put out a rap music infographic, is considered being the reasonable center, then i guess i am that, yes

― v-shasty, Sunday, December 4, 2011 4:52 PM (17 seconds ago) Bookmark Permalink

you need to make up your mind if you actually disagree w/ what i've said about the chart, or if you've actually moved on, because you talking about it now suggests you're just trying to one up me & arent actually engaged w/ the discussion at hand

oh i forgot about ilx's drake fanbase

― k3vin k., Sunday, December 4, 2011 4:48 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark

idk man... holding up killa kyleon as some pinnacle of 2011 rap is... very weird, but do you

i'm not even the one who brought this stupid thing up again -- yall were -- if you want to keep bringing it up like its assumed that we all agree about the chart, then be prepared to actually engage my opinion about it

i can't believe i get to explain to lex AND deej in the same weekend that you don't get to decide when other people think you're funny

― i already regret not just being 'some dude' again (Mr. Stevenson #2), Sunday, December 4, 2011 4:37 PM (3 minutes ago) Bookmark Permalink

??? who said i was trying to be funny? what are you talking abt?

― joey joe joe junior shabadoo, Sunday, December 4, 2011 5:41 PM (10 minutes ago) Bookmark Permalink

i said you were being unintentionally hilarious, kev said i was right and you said i was wrong so very wrong. that's not your call to make.

man, "deej vs the rest of ILX" is so April of 2011...

once again, you've mistaken ppl joking about something w/ a desire to once again engage you on something that we've all already talked about at length

no this is deej vs. the rest of the sandbox, whole new deal

killa kyleon put out better music this year than anyone on the left side of that chart fwiw

― k3vin k., Sunday, December 4, 2011 4:40 PM (55 seconds ago) Bookmark

uh

― v-shasty, Sunday, December 4, 2011 5:42 PM (5 minutes ago)

oh i forgot about ilx's drake fanbase

― k3vin k., Sunday, December 4, 2011 5:48 PM (3 minutes ago)

on the real tho jsut for the record who on that chart is getting the goon seal of approval, looking at it right now - yela? kanye? big sean? wale? asap rocky?

ok i skipped over meek

xp i'm not holding him up as anything i'm saying 'candy paint and texas plates' was a better mixtape than 95% of the organized output of (admittedly) more relevant rappers on that retarded chart

your line here is that omg its just a dumb spin chart, that's what i'm saying you're wrong about -- everything you've ever written is just dumb music writing too, if you want to go by that logic. this serves to create a narrative about THE STATE OF RAP and if you don't see that then maybe you shouldnt write about music

once again, you've mistaken ppl joking about something w/ a desire to once again engage you on something that we've all already talked about at length

― v-shasty, Sunday, December 4, 2011 4:56 PM (50 seconds ago) Bookmark Permalink

once again you act as if you have absolutely no responsibility for getting into arguments you are in fact a part of

"i'll joke about this as if deej is a moron who was totally wrong about this, then i'll expect him to have moved on and ignore me when i intentionally provoke him"

wait a minute al i otm'ed deej not you itt

once again you act as if you have absolutely no responsibility for getting into arguments you are in fact a part of

― joey joe joe junior shabadoo, Sunday, December 4, 2011 4:57 PM (8 seconds ago) Bookmark

i'm not trying to absolve responsibility from telling you that you should chill out over the SPIN music chart, & don't act like me and "smh mang fusion" cracking a joke about "regional thug" was an attempt to have a discussion about the SPIN chart

deej and the spin chart is like a 10 year old waiting for someone to say "pokemon"

but ... thats a quote from the spin chart.

xp

"i'll joke about this as if deej is a moron who was totally wrong about this, then i'll expect him to have moved on and ignore me when i intentionally provoke him"

― joey joe joe junior shabadoo, Sunday, December 4, 2011 4:58 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark

oh my lord man -- me saying that "rolling regional thug 2012" should be the name of the next thread title (and it should!) was not provoking you, jeez -- you seem pretty cool with "busting balls" until it is your balls that are being busted

i don't know how squirtle can beat charizard

deej for better or worse "regional thug" is gonna be a punchline/easy zing for the forseeable future. you just gotta roll with these things sometimes

i mean, and then you throw jigglypuff in the mix? that was a crazy episode, right?

you guys argue with me about the content and beneath-the-surface assumptions going into the chart, and then accuse me of just being mad about some dumb old chart no one read when i disagree with them. those underlying assumptions are a huge part of what is wrong w/ the critical apparatus about rap more broadly.

I for one am glad we found another mostly meaningless phrase to join "hipster" on the list to things that set deej off like a roman candle

deej for better or worse "regional thug" is gonna be a punchline/easy zing for the forseeable future. you just gotta roll with these things sometimes

― k3vin k., Sunday, December 4, 2011 5:01 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Permalink

regional thug is something i brought attention to! thats not a zing of me!

beneath-the-surface assumptions

it really was wildly beneath the surface how they chose to write SPIN on the cover that month instead of MURDER DOG

'candy paint and texas plates' was a better mixtape than 95% of the organized output of (admittedly) more relevant rappers on that retarded chart

― k3vin k., Sunday, December 4, 2011 4:56 PM (4 minutes ago) Bookmark Permalink

musicians from 11 that i enjoyed more than killa kyleon: soulja boy, e-40, max b, freddie gibbs, 2 chainz, meek mill, travis porter, kendrick lamar, drake, waka flocka flame -- not that i dislike killa kyleon, but

all of those guys are on the left side of the chart, obv

I for one am glad we found another mostly meaningless phrase to join "hipster" on the list to things that set deej off like a roman candle

― regional pug (dealwithit.gif), Sunday, December 4, 2011 5:03 PM (37 seconds ago) Bookmark Permalink

when has 'hipster' ever been a word that 'sets me off like a roman candle' -- arent you talking about yourself?

i didn't even throw boosie on there, breh

anyway, stevenson dude otm

― v-shasty, Sunday, December 4, 2011 4:39 PM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Permalink

no, stevenson dude off tm

― joey joe joe junior shabadoo, Sunday, December 4, 2011 4:41 PM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Permalink

sorry kev i was thinking of this exchange and misremembered j0rdan as you

in other news, I heard Roscoe Dash still suxx can any1 confirm

it really was wildly beneath the surface how they chose to write SPIN on the cover that month instead of MURDER DOG

― regional pug (dealwithit.gif), Sunday, December 4, 2011 5:04 PM (30 seconds ago) Bookmark Permalink

every article & piece has 'beneath the surface' assumptions dumbass this isnt a conspiracy theory thing, i'm talking about the shared assumptions that go into every single piece of writing by a magazine ever

you guys argue with me about the content and beneath-the-surface assumptions going into the chart, and then accuse me of just being mad about some dumb old chart no one read when i disagree with them. those underlying assumptions are a huge part of what is wrong w/ the critical apparatus about rap more broadly.

― joey joe joe junior shabadoo, Sunday, December 4, 2011 5:03 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Permalink

i think this could be read as you taking the SPIN rap chart more seriously than anyone else here, so at some point ppl just stop arguing about it

the shared assumptions that go into every single piece of writing by a magazine ever

and the platform to finally untangle this is "the snarky infographic"

regional thug is something i brought attention to! thats not a zing of me!

― joey joe joe junior shabadoo, Sunday, December 4, 2011 5:04 PM (2 minutes ago) Bookmark

it can become a zing of you when you routinely throw the phrase around all the time like SPIN used a racial epithet

yeah man i'm happy to play your hypeman but i aint wearing no chains xp al

and the platform to finally untangle this is "the snarky infographic"

― regional pug (dealwithit.gif), Sunday, December 4, 2011 5:06 PM (8 seconds ago) Bookmark Permalink

it is the one that most baldly lays out the presumptions of its creators

it can become a zing of you when you routinely throw the phrase around all the time like SPIN used a racial epithet

― v-shasty, Sunday, December 4, 2011 5:07 PM (17 seconds ago) Bookmark Permalink

is it particularly different from when people used to call allen iverson a 'thug'

other than that obv some of the artists (not all) in that bubble would call themselves that

a piece of writing reflected the opinions of the person who wrote it, stop the presses

a piece of writing reflected the opinions of the person who wrote it, stop the presses

― regional pug (dealwithit.gif), Sunday, December 4, 2011 5:08 PM (3 seconds ago) Bookmark Permalink

i said 'baldly lays out the presumptions' which is not at all the same as 'reflected the opinions of' learn to read

my problems w/ this isn't that its like some kind of conspiracy, i said this already

sorry, your posts are so free of the shared assumptions that your writing is so free from that it reads like esperanto to me

in other news, I heard Roscoe Dash still suxx can any1 confirm

― if you ain't gonna wash it, i ain't gonna eat it, Sunday, December 4, 2011 6:05 PM (3 minutes ago) Bookmark Permalink

"good fucking night" has me reconsidering my kneejerk dislike of both roscoe and kane beatz tbh

is it particularly different from when people used to call allen iverson a 'thug'

― joey joe joe junior shabadoo, Sunday, December 4, 2011 5:08 PM (2 minutes ago) Bookmark

yes, you weirdo

a piece of writing reflected the opinions of the person who wrote it, stop the presses

― regional pug (dealwithit.gif), Sunday, December 4, 2011 5:08 PM (3 seconds ago) Bookmark Permalink

are you really having trouble understanding this sentence, because it is in english:

"it is the one that most baldly lays out the presumptions of its creators"

is that on a tape? (last thing I heard of his was a few tracks on Dash Effect) xxpost

also by "esperanto," i meant "the fat purple crayon scrawlings of a drooling 8 year old"

is it particularly different from when people used to call allen iverson a 'thug'

― joey joe joe junior shabadoo, Sunday, December 4, 2011 5:08 PM (2 minutes ago) Bookmark

yes, you weirdo

― v-shasty, Sunday, December 4, 2011 5:11 PM (7 seconds ago) Bookmark Permalink

why are white journalists calling black entertainers 'thugs' different in this context than that one, particularly when it includes punchline comedic rappers like killa kyleon

also by "esperanto," i meant "the fat purple crayon scrawlings of a drooling 8 year old"

― regional pug (dealwithit.gif), Sunday, December 4, 2011 5:11 PM (47 seconds ago) Bookmark Permalink

"it is the one that most baldly lays out the presumptions of its creators"

i dont see the fat purple crayon. try to zing again/

why are white journalists calling black entertainers 'thugs' different in this context than that one, particularly when it includes punchline comedic rappers like killa kyleon

― joey joe joe junior shabadoo, Sunday, December 4, 2011 6:12 PM (56 seconds ago) Bookmark Permalink

this conversation has finally turned a corner

if you can't tell the difference between the treatment of allen iverson and a rap critic calling some rappers "thugs" then i really dunno what to tell you

great argument

"if you cant see why you're wrong and i'm right, i won't be bothered to explain it"

Can't believe a white journalist called Dr. Dre a "gangster"

that is weird, considering he wasnt one

http://pull.imgfave.netdna-cdn.com/image_cache/124961229015036.jpeg
regional thugs

http://i.imgur.com/96qJ5.png

is that on a tape? (last thing I heard of his was a few tracks on Dash Effect) xxpost

― if you ain't gonna wash it, i ain't gonna eat it, Sunday, December 4, 2011 6:11 PM (4 minutes ago) Bookmark Permalink

it's his new radio single (except it's "good good night" when they play it on the radio obv)

fwiw deej as someone who listens to mostly LOL CHILLWΔVE and like, ambient drone, the fact that the REGIONAL THUG bubble included a wider variety of rappers (both in style AND quality!) and is thus more insulting than other bubbles like DESPERATE BENEFACTORS and GUYS WHO THINK ITS 1993 is legit baffling to me

i mean: roping a bunch of disparate rappers under one bubble can come across as implying those distinctions are trivial, not worth listening for or caring abt &c &c &c but its hard to see the term REGIONAL THUG as an actual textual insult and also every other category does the same thing, in an effort to make a point abt diffusion/popularity? so it seems weirdly parochial to care so much abt this one bubble, i guess, or to make such strong claims abt its intent/effect

years ago on t0m breih4n's old blogspot page all the links on his blogroll were humorous or silly descriptions of the writers, including "d4vid dr4ke being just a baby, man" which i thought was really weird and confusing for a long time and i asked deej and apparently it was just t0m being amazed or impressed by how young he was. but every time deej loses his shit on ilx and cries about everyone being mean to him, the phrase "d4vid dr4ke being just a baby, man" automatically pops into my head.

I should have known by the way that you stared
Eyeing passes by like you're rich but life ain't fair
But you make my record skip
Make my record skip
Make my record skip
Make my record skip
I would have never talked to you if I had known you was a regional thug
Hey, regional thug (you're damn right)
I would have never talked to you if I had known you was a regional thug
Hey, regional thug (you're damn right)

i mean: roping a bunch of disparate rappers under one bubble can come across as implying those distinctions are trivial, not worth listening for or caring abt &c &c &c but its hard to see the term REGIONAL THUG as an actual textual insult and also every other category does the same thing, in an effort to make a point abt diffusion/popularity? so it seems weirdly parochial to care so much abt this one bubble, i guess, or to make such strong claims abt its intent/effect

― є(٥_ ٥)э, Sunday, December 4, 2011 5:20 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Permalink

well, i dont think it's the only problem w/ the chart if you were wondering, its just one that i brought up that these guys chose to harp on. i mean, when this first hit i criticized other stuff too.

the point abt diffusion & popularity would be a good one if it didnt seem like it was intent on making certain artists also seem considerably more significant than i think they are to most hip hop fans, like it doesn't just pull the magnifying glass wayyyy out on certain strains of hip-hop (and lump those strains together) but it also zooms way in to the pt where you're talking about non-entities like smoke dza as if he's even worth a data point like this, while other artists are left off of the chart entirely

i'm not sure what the 'such strong claims' i'm making about its intent/effect are; i criticized it the way i would any piece of music journalism that seemed particularly wrong headed to me

xp's to the face display name

years ago on t0m breih4n's old blogspot page all the links on his blogroll were humorous or silly descriptions of the writers, including "d4vid dr4ke being just a baby, man" which i thought was really weird and confusing for a long time and i asked deej and apparently it was just t0m being amazed or impressed by how young he was. but every time deej loses his shit on ilx and cries about everyone being mean to him, the phrase "d4vid dr4ke being just a baby, man" automatically pops into my head.

― i already regret not just being 'some dude' again (Mr. Stevenson #2), Sunday, December 4, 2011 5:25 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Permalink

you're such a dick dude!

lmfaooooo

like, who is 'crying' here? i'm annoyed at you jordan and whiney, i'm not feeling persecuted or something

i'm just being honest, that pops into my head on a weekly basis without me willing it at all

http://www.nataliedee.com/053110/butt-hurt-for-everybody.jpg

natalie deej

you're actually being a crybaby about me calling you a crybaby fyi

im just being honest, i think you're a colossal dick on a weekly basis \oO/

i'm not sure what the 'such strong claims' i'm making about its intent/effect are; i criticized it the way i would any piece of music journalism that seemed particularly wrong headed to me

'those underlying assumptions are a huge part of what is wrong w/ the critical apparatus about rap more broadly'

its just one that i brought up that these guys chose to harp on.

don't act like you haven't harped on REGIONAL THUG on the blog & on twitter multiple times since the chart dropped

i mean, i think they're indicative of the way the press follows certain micro trends but ignores other larger ones. i'm not sure that is such a strong claim XP

im just being honest, i think you're a colossal dick on a weekly basis \oO/

― joey joe joe junior shabadoo, Sunday, December 4, 2011 6:31 PM (2 minutes ago) Bookmark Permalink

the difference is i'm ok with being a dick, being called a dick, admitting to it, and not dwelling on it

"regional dick" on the other hand...

don't act like you haven't harped on REGIONAL THUG on the blog & on twitter multiple times since the chart dropped

― v-shasty, Sunday, December 4, 2011 5:33 PM (28 seconds ago) Bookmark Permalink

what does that have to do w/ ilx? you're a part of all three of those convos but people here aren't

"regional dick" on the other hand...

― i already regret not just being 'some dude' again (Mr. Stevenson #2), Sunday, December 4, 2011 5:34 PM (6 seconds ago) Bookmark Permalink

you can suck my dick region

rofl

I'm so glad that moving to the sandbox hasn't affected you guys at all

what does that have to do w/ ilx? you're a part of all three of those convos but people here aren't

― joey joe joe junior shabadoo, Sunday, December 4, 2011 5:34 PM (43 seconds ago) Bookmark

ilx convos happen in a vacuum now?

i don't care what anyone says, i think the breih4n story is a gem

oh man is there a sandbox ZING thread xp to deej

gonna be super fucking glad to see gun sounds go

― HUSTLA DA =:3 (dealwithit.gif), Sunday, December 4, 2011 8:27 AM (9 hours ago) Bookmark Permalink

this was a good thread name. i dont think we've really missed so far on these although i am concerned abt the upcoming year

'gun sounds' was a quality pick esp if i remember the other nominations correctly

tbh in retrospect i supposed rolling regional thug isn't bad either, i guess it does reflect the splintered decentralized discourse or w/e

actually i'm not sure it does in that 'regions' are less relevant in the internet era, so i'm back to preferring 'white girl'

i'm down w/ either -- "rolling regional thug" makes sense to me cuz the thread has always more or less been about the "regional thugs" but "rolling white girl" would work too

white girl has the double meaning

rip racks on racks

man this puts such a smile on my face

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XFeahxLRJLI

white girl has the double meaning

― v-shasty, Sunday, December 4, 2011 6:49 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Permalink

wait a 'double meaning' beyond the one that was the subject of shitty young jeezy songs like 5 years ago?

well yes, but that still relates back to the central focus of the thread, historically speaking

well, there's also the white girls being well-known rappers now thing which wasn't the case back then

right, and that would be the first meaning

yeah but i mean going WORDPLAY! over that is just kinda tame

i'm just sayin

its even worse when you guys are getting along

lol

you checked the website where you observe us in disgust every day that it was down, and then followed the link to the replacement site to check up on us again, so i mean...that's on you dog

i still think

rolling solo cup > rolling white girl, but both are good LCD choices

what the fuck is rolling solo cup

that's the name of a country song that was an internet meme for a day

red solo cups are a fratboy signifier

you know what actually - -this just occurred to me & i know there will be some resistence because its associated w/ the mid-00s houston thing but -- cough syrup seems bigger than ever. maybe rolling double styrafoam cup

like, no matter the region, there are syrup addict rappers right now. its pretty much national at this point

you checked the website where you observe us in disgust every day that it was down, and then followed the link to the replacement site to check up on us again, so i mean...that's on you dog

lol but tbf on real ilx there are enough other posters i didnt have to read gun sounds unless i wanted to listen to youtubes

mostly im just disappointed no one wanted to post abt good cool rap stuff from this year. although i half suspect the fact that theres lots of rap im excited abt is directly the cause of yalls disinterest in rap right now

also i wanted to talk abt how great cities aviv is just to get whine doggie going but this thread is on u.n. shit right now, hashin out regional disputes

red solo cups are a fratboy signifier

― i already regret not just being 'some dude' again (Mr. Stevenson #2), Sunday, December 4, 2011 6:01 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark

i went to state school, bruh -- just don't see what that has to do w/ the focus of the ringtone thread

all these proposed names suck

red solo cups are a fratboy signifier

so are rolling white girls

i would be okay w/ something syrup related, it's def a big thing now

all these proposed names suck

― furnace mane, Sunday, December 4, 2011 6:04 PM (21 seconds ago) Bookmark

"furnace mane"

also i wanted to talk abt how great cities aviv is just to get whine doggie going but this thread is on u.n. shit right now, hashin out regional disputes

― є(٥_ ٥)э, Sunday, December 4, 2011 6:03 PM (17 seconds ago) Bookmark Permalink

oh god i think you might just unite the deej al whiney jordan trio against you on this one

lol trio. i cant count

xpost

I might be mistaken, but wasn't there an Asher/Miller thing called the "solo cup movement" or something?

UGH fucking syrup, you idiots

the point of the name is it has to LCD rap and you fucked it up last year and now we're gonna make that mistake again

even Drake is drinking syrup to show hes down, some elderly lady was arrested for heading a multi-million dollar syrup smuggling operation, etc.

no, you're missing the point

"furnace mane"

― v-shasty, Sunday, December 4, 2011 4:04 PM (44 seconds ago) Bookmark

please look at your own s/n and then contemplate u life

the point of the name is it has to LCD rap and you fucked it up last year and now we're gonna make that mistake again

― regional pug (dealwithit.gif), Sunday, December 4, 2011 6:06 PM (27 seconds ago) Bookmark Permalink

??? dude, this was perfect for this year's brick squad saturation

like if it's not v-nasty/mac miller/lil twist/or racks-on-racks related, you fucked the thread title up again

the point of the name is not JUST LCD, the point of the name is "LCD that is actually dope"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CSjbx3SpRk4

xpost no

"I ain't duct-taped me a n***a in a long time"

you've been misunderstanding the point of the thread for 5 years running now

It's LCD that's gonna be outdated as the year goes by, that's why it was funny to see "snap" all year

i can't believe how dumb you are

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JHvUaRQX7m0

i'm sorry... but you're just wrong

actually i would be down with rolling racks on racks. i feel like that manages to capture some of the je ne sais quoi of lcd rap in 2011. and it's a dope song fuiud.

rolling suck my dick region thread

snap is timeless

it was always about lovably owning someone else's version of LCD rap, not pointing out what the worst possible rap music is

rolling A$AP ROCKY HAS THREE MILLION DOLLARS thread

racks on racks is a dope song but its a one-off like tony montana that doesnt really capture the zeitgeist imo

"racks on racks" was an okay suggestion months ago, but the thread title usually tries to capture something -- "racks on racks" is just a line from a song

rolling syrup in my solo cup thread

and yes i know that "stupid fruity crazy swag" was also just a line from a song but it also referred to an entire sub sub genre of music

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ee1mWTWBZok&feature=related

ha i just dl'd that album

as if i didnt have enough white rappers in my '11 folder

who is 'i ain't gonna eat it'?

whiney what did you call the thread the one time you named it that got changed cuz everyone hated it so much

BoJackSanNeanTeDrive xpost

eurogoon or something?

lol @ you guys taking the thread name so seriously

rolling proletkulture (xp)

clown me for taking a spin chart seriously, but you can't clown for taking this thread title seriously. its serious bizness. we have to look at it every day

if you guys can't decide on a name just call it rolling extra broccoli

i'm very protective of the thread title, and i don't care if y'all make fun of me

^^

word

rolling sawce all over deej

I gotta say, as an outside observer 'gun sounds' was the first dud in a series of hits

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FN5eTS2-wXA

gun sounds wasn't really the best, but there was little to work with

it was always about lovably owning someone else's version of LCD rap, not pointing out what the worst possible rap music is

― v-shasty, Sunday, December 4, 2011 7:10 PM (48 seconds ago) Bookmark Permalink

we def had to "lovingly own" something that had like multiple Diplo mixes and shit.

whiney what did you call the thread the one time you named it that got changed cuz everyone hated it so much

― v-shasty, Sunday, December 4, 2011 7:14 PM (4 minutes ago) Bookmark Permalink

I invented "autogoon" so show some fucking respect, you little pissant

we def had to "lovingly own" something that had like multiple Diplo mixes and shit.

― regional pug (dealwithit.gif), Sunday, December 4, 2011 6:19 PM (50 seconds ago) Bookmark Permalink

huh?

gun sounds is a waka song; it could have been like rolling lex luger beats or something but that sounds dumber, gun sounds reflects the percussive masculinity of the whole thing imo, was a perfect continuation of the series

i do think its funny that the sanbox version is 'rolling rap thread' btw

feel like the hallmark of a good rap thread name is a little self-deprecation + humor like ringtone, fruity crazy stupid swag, etc.

gun sounds is p humorless

i agree w/ dayo

except that i still think "gun sounds" was okay

huh?

― joey joe joe junior shabadoo, Sunday, December 4, 2011 7:20 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Permalink

jordan's pretending like snap was some thing only appreciated by pop ppl and atlanta ppl that we had to "lovingly embrace" but the hipste cognescenti was all over it. Would be like making this years thread about G-Side or something

gun sounds was worthless and was just one more thread for me to look at deej's stupid gucci crush

dude, what hipsters do -- whether they do or dont like this -- has nothing to do w/ it. they can be 'all over it' or ignore it.

heartbroken rn

gun sounds was worthless and was just one more thread for me to look at deej's stupid gucci crush

― regional pug (dealwithit.gif), Sunday, December 4, 2011 6:25 PM (37 seconds ago) Bookmark Permalink

what year is this ? hes not even on my year end lists this yr

does whiney ever not talk in really tortured metaphors involving imaginary cultural signifiers

gun sounds was a great title fuiud

at least there was never a rolling ghetto house thread

that wouldn't have made sense.

is anyone else going to post shit they liked this year?

you dont need to post your whole list but throw an artist out there or a couple youtubes or something

my fave rap album of 2011 was the Killer Mike

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QPT1oN1kplo

this isn't on the boldy james tape, but it's got a verse from him. its from Louie P Newton, who is on that track "Pumping Gas" i posted a bit upthread. It also features GLC.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AIkjIFAhqas

i have to say, dealwithit.gif, when you told me that was your favorite rap record of the year i thought that was votes very much in character ha. i cant think of a more whiney-esque rapper this year

everyone else post their fave song from their fave rap album of the year

xpost, yeah, it's got def that righteous indignation I like of like "a conscious dude who will rap about rockefeller drug laws and also punch you out" Those are my fave rappers: Ice Cube, Willie D, David Banner, etc...

"Ric Flair" is my favourite off the Killer Mike.

plus like in the year of chillwave softest serve pillow rap, it goes hard p much start to finish

takes me back to when rappers yelled

the Flying Lotus track is weird though

i didn't like any rap this year

i liked some but it was a lot of canon stuff (e-40/quik/etc.) and mildly well received mixtapes (mouse/fiend/etc.), i'm hoping this week i can play catch up and do a lot of listening before i set my year-end lists in stone

quik, e-40, kendrick, shabazz palaces and maybe na'tee will be in my top ten, i think. most of my energy for digging into obscure shit has gone elsewhere this year, so it's mostly been checking for people i already know i like.

furnace mane i would check out schoolboy q's album if i were you its called 'setbacks'

i think you would f/w it

I prefer it to Kendrick's album

yeah its more my speed, but most of my reasons for preferring it are stylistic preference rather than like, stuff that sucks about the kendrick or something

kendrick will be in my top 10 -- was shocked how much i grew to like it

takes me back to when rappers yelled

did you like the death grips mixtape? it was the highest placing 'rap' album on my eoy but i was a little embarrassed when no other rap music made our list

i really, really liked the main attrakionz mixtape as well as the spaceghostpurpp and kendrick lamar ones.

i'm sure only dealwithit.gif will like this but this was one of my fav tracks from one of my fav hip hop albums this year

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0lj0EGeGV1s

Kendrick has stuff like the dude singing on "Ronald Reagan Era" which just takes me right out of it. Schoolboy Q has Jhene Aiko who's much more agreeable

Jay Rock's debut album coulda gone from a B+ to an A if it didn't have such a watered down second half.

Haven't heard that or Ab-Soul's one. Anyone?

yeah the jay rock was better than i expected too

completely forgot it was this year but I did love the Dinner and a Movie by Brotha Lynch Hung.

err sorry Coathanga Strangla

Yeah, sandlamp, Death Grips is in my top 50

everything about kendrick lamar screams red flag to me, is there a song that might convince me i should not be so cynical about him

rigamortis
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yh6QxtRpSH8

I hear there's a tape version(!) but I haven't been able to find it online

furnace mane i would check out schoolboy q's album if i were you its called 'setbacks'

― joey joe joe junior shabadoo, Sunday, December 4, 2011 5:04 PM (23 minutes ago) Bookmark Permalink

i think you would f/w it

― joey joe joe junior shabadoo, Sunday, December 4, 2011 5:04 PM (23 minutes ago) Bookmark Permalink

i've heard it. it's aight.

i should check out jay rock and ab-soul's shit tho.

what's the over/under on whether TM103 comes out this year. I mean I know unlike prior drop dates that industry heads have heard what the supposed finished product is but at this stage I think it'd be kinda hilarious if he pushed it back again, kinda like rap's Cartmanland

it weirds me out that those 2 guys work together because i've known a rapper from around here for years called ab rock (xpost)

i think TM103 is definitely dropping this month now

it's definitely coming out -- it's definitely going to be his least good album (depending on how you feel about 102)

Yo Gotti's joint is pushed back to 2012 now

yeah, "rigamortis" def

i care more about the t-pain & thicke albums coming out

al:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ep0hay4Qw54

I hear there's a tape version(!) but I haven't been able to find it online

i think that was promo only... but id be surprised if you couldnt swing a copy (lol at the morbsian nick btw)

some dude what dont you like abt kendrick lamar? adhd is my fave track off the mixtape

we might as well give up now bcuz none of us will ever have real world impact

i find it v hard to care about a t-pain album in 2011. robin thicke should be good tho. xxxp

i will always care about t-pain

with you on this one jord

thank u dawg

hmm neither of those songs is really doing anything for me, i don't think i will watch his show on the e! channel

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/--TaBrExf7aI/TZ_9mI7gjPI/AAAAAAAAPL0/VC1DXxAFZ1A/s400/khloe-and-lamar.jpg

have you heard the tpain tracks already released from the new album? They're suitably loopy, derivative and fun.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vw9CNfQIyss

oh who are you kidding, you will definitely watch that show that's on tv

xp

i'm actually going in blind on this one, forks -- not out of any nobility or anything, just haven't exactly been keeping up

like i would normally loathe this sound but penderass' twangy rambly warblescreams somehow cut through the bullshit for me.
actually just listening to this is making me hate myself. i may have to retract.
nah, i'll just hate myself.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=27ybORSPlhY
just like dude's voice, regardless how processed it is.

when i've liked t-pain it's been more in spite of his voice than anything. and he seems to have run out of ideas a while ago.

Why are forks and jord taking about a turnt sanga itt

it was my fault -- just bringing up dec albums

t-pain's a talented dude and i never really got sick of him but the six(!) advance singles off this record have been such a mixed bag that the album could go either way -- tbh i'm much more optimistic about jeezy turning in an enjoyable 'same thing he always does' album

kendrick lamar kind of giving me pusha t vibes in his words promising a personality that his voice can't deliver on

i think that was promo only

i probably shouldve googled this first - its released on ORMOLYCKA

buyin now

a rapper i know once sent me a package for his latest mixtape that had a CD and a gold-painted cassette -- was very bummed when i asked him and it was just for show, not a real playable tape of the record

that's how bummed i was when I bought the Freeway and Jake One album and tried to spend the money that came inside the package

Al you might like kendrick more as a part of his crew Black Hippy. They did some group recordings, theyre fun to hear bounce off each other

rolling softserve thread
rolling underwater crybaby thread

i should go back to that mike album, i remember being somewhat underwhelmed but it came out around the same time as quik's i think and obv my listening was dominated by quik's which was way better

well the term does have legs now apparently...

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=soft+serve

xpost

when was deej underwater?

what is this year's throwback gem a la 2010's 'marcberg'?

rolling paid, famous & sad thread

al :-)

if only you could've worked a whiney ref into that

what is this year's throwback gem a la 2010's 'marcberg'?

― k3vin k., Sunday, December 4, 2011 10:54 PM (14 minutes ago) Bookmark Permalink

Most ppl would prolly say Action Bronson, but I'm more into the Kool G Rap

rolling cloud thread

yeah that KGR was freakin sweet

yeah i was gonna guess action bronson

i meant a new dude with a throwback NY style as opposed to an older mc, like AB, but thanks for reminding me to listen to that g rap i almost forgot about that

er AB is an example of the former obv, poorly placed parenthetical

I mean, G Rap kind of raps like Roc Marci now, so I think you'll like it!

sounds like a much better look than jay imitating kanye at least

feel like next year thread title should be worldstar inspired

rolling asian ratchetness thread

etc

do NOT remember posting in this thread the other day. how r we going to do the EOY goon report - do ppl want to do a poll?

altho obvs no EOY thing can be done before the french montana + waka tape drops...

forbez dvd >>> worldstar imo

btw I vote for new rolling thread title to be "blue color rappers"

i <3 kendrick lamar and his based introspectiveness

been jamming that schoolboy q too and his verse on the asap tape is real nice

franch has a tape with waka, then with three 6 mafia the next week

^^ very wavy xmas

per usual martorialist killed it
http://themartorialist.blogspot.com/2011/12/token-best-rap-songs-of-2011-list-post.html

wish i hadn't missed this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EipX6I6oDto

not really feelin that *shrug*

not really feelin you

that beat knocks like gin rummy, raps are dope, what more are you looking for

i apologize for not liking a song you like? *shrugsford brimley*

apology not accepted. listen to it 30x on loop or tell me what you think of keedy black & sess 4-5's "I Luv Dat Boy" & report back

man boldy james rules. def feel the mobb deep by way of detroit vibe

that martorialist singles list is what the fuck is up

obv

i knew m@tt would like the boldy james "pumpin gas" track, that shit is like ground zero 90s rap-a-lot shit, down to the standoff storytelling rap at the dice game that is so straightforward on a narrative level ("he shot (BANG BANG) I shot (RATATATAT) -- as you can see i cold smoked his ass") and yet the rapping itself is not in any way cartoonish

martorialist rules

"E-40 ft. B-Legit - 43"

Yeah thats my sleeper pick of the year, my most listened to track on any of the Revenue Retrievin series. B Legit is pure muscle on that.

although i halfheartedly defended currensy from whiney on this thread (and "this ain't no mixtape" is still >>> his releases this year) ive totally had the same issues w/ both him & jacka this year

although i still like the alchemist/currensy tape the most

rolling codeine abuse thread