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i work with POD PEOPLE.

they are discussing favourite comedy scenes.

can you guess at it -- the one where del boy FALLS THROUGH THE THING is winning. also the chandelier bit.

temporary enrique (temporary enrique), Thursday, 21 December 2006 15:54 (nineteen years ago)

OK, I lolled at Worst Week of My Life the other night, so shoot me.

Only other comedy I am looking forward to over Christmas = Still Game.

ailsa_xx (ailsa_xx), Thursday, 21 December 2006 15:59 (nineteen years ago)

DON'T MENTION THE WAR DON'T TELL HIM PIKE OOH BETTY ON ROLLER SKATES COMPO BATHTUB

nuclear holocaust in nine seconds

Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Thursday, 21 December 2006 16:00 (nineteen years ago)

Blunder is possibly the worst thing I have seen in a long time, worse than either Tittybangbang (which I still can't believe Bob Mortimer writes) or Live!Girls!Present Dogtown!

much_aldo_about_nothing (much_aldo_about_nothing), Thursday, 21 December 2006 16:02 (nineteen years ago)

officedancerbasilhitscarwithtreeblackaddergoesoverthetop

piscesboy (piscesboy), Thursday, 21 December 2006 16:02 (nineteen years ago)

Only other comedy I am looking forward to over Christmas = Still Game.

paedo-free 'thick of it'!!!!

temporary enrique (temporary enrique), Thursday, 21 December 2006 16:03 (nineteen years ago)

also 'screen burn' 2nite.

temporary enrique (temporary enrique), Thursday, 21 December 2006 16:03 (nineteen years ago)

There are no CONVICTED paedophiles associated with The Thick Of It.

In Scotland we'll have Only An Excuse? to "look forward to" on Hogmanay.

Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Thursday, 21 December 2006 16:04 (nineteen years ago)

that chandelier thing was funny

ken c (ken c), Thursday, 21 December 2006 16:05 (nineteen years ago)

not as funny as the bit on chewing the fat when these two kids said "show us your minge" to the icecream van lady and she did. and scenes of them looking traumatised and in shock, standing at the spot with melting ice creams in hand, at various points later in the show.

ken c (ken c), Thursday, 21 December 2006 16:08 (nineteen years ago)

this will be good:

Harry Hill's TV Burp - a clips programme which won two British Comedy Awards last week - is also one of his recommendations.

He calls it "a hugely funny, inventive, mad, absurd show" which "completely undercuts all of television's pomp and grandeur".

And Mr Tough concedes that while he was not a fan of the comic at first, the show is "one of the funniest on TV".

"I can't wait to see his take on the festive TV offerings," he adds.

temporary enrique (temporary enrique), Thursday, 21 December 2006 16:10 (nineteen years ago)

For full "comedy" Scottish effect, I believe the phrase was "Gie's a swatch o' yer fanny".

Still Game >>>>>>>>>>>>> Chewing The Fat

ailsa_xx (ailsa_xx), Thursday, 21 December 2006 16:10 (nineteen years ago)

haha "gie's a swatch o' yer fanny" was the one! brings back memories.

ken c (ken c), Thursday, 21 December 2006 16:18 (nineteen years ago)

There is literally nothing on current first run comedy that I'd go out of my way to watch on British TV.

Dom Passantino (DomPassantino), Thursday, 21 December 2006 16:44 (nineteen years ago)

I just want to keep watching my Garth Marenghi's Darkplace DVD all Christmas long. (If this has been mentioned on a previous thread and is some kind of sore spot, forgive me... but it's new to me and it's fucking killing me)

Tiki Theater Xymposium (Tiki Theater Xymposium), Thursday, 21 December 2006 21:41 (nineteen years ago)

I've seen 3 episodes of Marenghi and it's pretty decent, about the level of Black Books, i.e. watchable, funny, but not particularly lasting. When the cat goes 'LEAVE NOW', that was the best bit and it happens about 2 minutes into the first episode.

When does Chris Morris return? Gnarrrgh...

I am the best lyrocost since Dylan (Scourage), Thursday, 21 December 2006 21:46 (nineteen years ago)

i really am looking fwd to TV Burp and fuck everything else (except maybe Still Game altho i never did see all of either of the previous two series)

sede vacante (blueski), Thursday, 21 December 2006 21:55 (nineteen years ago)

That Blunder thing really is shit.

Pulling's had some okay reviews, anyone seen it?

Chap (chap), Thursday, 21 December 2006 22:33 (nineteen years ago)

yes. lol/minutes ratio = 1.5/30

sede vacante (blueski), Thursday, 21 December 2006 22:43 (nineteen years ago)

Still Game = five or six series now. (I think the first UK-wide series was compiled from the best bits of the first few Scotland-only ones)

ailsa_xx (ailsa_xx), Thursday, 21 December 2006 22:59 (nineteen years ago)

"nyeeeeeh, it's christmas"

'screen burn' was fucking aces.

i really am looking fwd to TV Burp and fuck everything else

y'all didn't see that 'the thick of it' is on?

temporary enrique (temporary enrique), Friday, 22 December 2006 08:51 (nineteen years ago)

there was an Xmas special Screen Burn? SHIT

sede vacante (blueski), Friday, 22 December 2006 09:56 (nineteen years ago)

also 'screen burn' 2nite.
-- temporary enrique (miltonpinsk...), December 21st, 2006.

probably get repeated. also there are TWO!

temporary enrique (temporary enrique), Friday, 22 December 2006 10:05 (nineteen years ago)

ok fuck a nye:

Saturday 23 December
10:10pm - 10:40pm
BBC4 Charlie Brooker's Screen Wipe: Xmas Special

Sunday 31 December
11:50pm - 12:20am
BBC4 Charlie Brooker's Screen Wipe: Review

Monday 01 January
1:35am - 2:05am
BBC4 Charlie Brooker's Screen Wipe: Review

temporary enrique (temporary enrique), Friday, 22 December 2006 10:06 (nineteen years ago)

is there a mainstream 'little britain' backlash anywhere? i've decided that the consensus love for the show is one of those real marker, like james blunt, of how fucked this country is. see also: ricky gervais's Serious Expression on the cover of his 'extras' scripts book. oh fuck and also: the fact that a 'catherine tate show' scripts book exists. how the fuck? who the fuck?

temporary enrique (temporary enrique), Friday, 22 December 2006 10:14 (nineteen years ago)

Mention of Catherine Tate makes this as good a place as any to voice my concern over the Christmas Doctor Who trailer, wherein Ms Tate utters the phrase "Am I Safe?" in a manner not unlike that of the deeply fucking irritating Lauren character. My hope that she was just cast as a well-known actress playing a part and not as "Catherine Tate" is fading.

ailsa_xx (ailsa_xx), Friday, 22 December 2006 10:24 (nineteen years ago)

she was already acting quite like Lauren at the end of the last episode tho the way she was saying "where AM I?" etc.

i think it will be rubbish (but i loved last year's)

sede vacante (blueski), Friday, 22 December 2006 10:34 (nineteen years ago)

Chasing cars down the motorway in the TARDIS seems a bit wrong too. But I bet it's great anyway. At least it'll be better than Torchwood.

ailsa_xx (ailsa_xx), Friday, 22 December 2006 10:36 (nineteen years ago)

i bet it'll be wank.

temporary enrique (temporary enrique), Friday, 22 December 2006 10:36 (nineteen years ago)

But you hate everything (except The Thick Of It, apparently)

ailsa_xx (ailsa_xx), Friday, 22 December 2006 10:41 (nineteen years ago)

that's basically true.

temporary enrique (temporary enrique), Friday, 22 December 2006 10:45 (nineteen years ago)

Pulling's not bad, what I've seen of it.

The Polish guy on it last week had me in stitches.

They're having a meal at the girls' house and the bloke who used to be the doctor in 'enders is making polite conversation about how the Pole shares a tiny room with his brother and his cousins and "hot beds" with his cousin as they work alternate shifts.

"It must be nice having all your family around you..."
"You think I like living like a FUCKING CHICKEN?"

Perfectly delivered.

'Enders guy then tries to worm his way out of it resulting in the Pole going "Oh that's okay then, I thought for a second you were being a FUCKING PRICK!"

Onimo has his finger in the stink (nu_onimo), Friday, 22 December 2006 10:46 (nineteen years ago)

(it was the polite dinner table setting that made it, and you had to be there, etc)

Onimo has his finger in the stink (nu_onimo), Friday, 22 December 2006 10:47 (nineteen years ago)

father ted repeat last nite was piss funny

acrobat (acrobat), Friday, 22 December 2006 12:02 (nineteen years ago)

You think? I thought it was one of the poorest eps, though I did like the "oh good, mass is on the telly..." bit where all the priests feel obliged to watch it.

Onimo has his finger in the stink (nu_onimo), Friday, 22 December 2006 12:05 (nineteen years ago)

I got my brother the 3 series box set for Christmas. I'm looking forward to stealing it back :)

Onimo has his finger in the stink (nu_onimo), Friday, 22 December 2006 12:06 (nineteen years ago)

i may have been too beaten down by attempting to watch dean learner and blunder to have opinions about decent comedy. i mean the weakest father ted is gonna be at the least funny.

acrobat (acrobat), Friday, 22 December 2006 12:09 (nineteen years ago)

'dean lerner' wasn't baaaaad, but i stopped watching cos it was a bit repetitive.

temporary enrique (temporary enrique), Friday, 22 December 2006 12:11 (nineteen years ago)

Lerner started well and, yes, drifted into missability (fell asleep during one, mis-set the VCR for another, missed half of a third).

Not (intentional or full-on) comedy, but will those of you disappointed with Torchwood be tuning into Prim3v4l on ITV in the new year? Just got it in at work; first scene appears to involve dinosaur on rampage outside a branch of Asda. Cor!

Michael Jones (MichaelJ), Friday, 22 December 2006 13:04 (nineteen years ago)

I am not disliking Torchwood, it's just not as good as I thought it would be, but I will be watching Primeval because Douglas Henshall is in it and he was in two of my favouritest telly programmes ever and therefore he is great (Psychos, and The Kid In The Corner)

ailsa_xx (ailsa_xx), Friday, 22 December 2006 13:09 (nineteen years ago)

i found if you gegan to think about lerner it really stopped working. i mean he's meant to be this naif but then he's also homicidal, lecherous and devious in ways which completely negate his other traits. it's like they jus made him say funny stuff without actually inventing a character...

acrobat (acrobat), Friday, 22 December 2006 13:16 (nineteen years ago)

father ted repeat last nite was piss funny

agreed. i love the fact that its not one 30 minute plot stretched out over 90 minutes, but around four or five 30 minute plots squeezed into 90 minutes. it keeps giving. was this the last father ted before his heart attack?

stevie (stevie2), Friday, 22 December 2006 15:32 (nineteen years ago)

Nah, it was recorded between the second and third series. The last episode recorded before he died was the last episode of series three, which originally ended with Father Ted killing himself. The ending was changed out of tribute.

Dom Passantino (DomPassantino), Friday, 22 December 2006 15:33 (nineteen years ago)

that last episode of father ted is still fucking heartbreaking thou, when it's made absolutely clear he will never ever escape craggy island.

acrobat (acrobat), Friday, 22 December 2006 15:36 (nineteen years ago)

Sitcom #101: the best sitcoms are about people who are trapped in situations they can't get out of: Porridge, Steptoe and Son, Whatever Happened To The Likely Lads, I'm Alan Patridge...

Dom Passantino (DomPassantino), Friday, 22 December 2006 15:37 (nineteen years ago)

doesn't work in the USA

sede vacante (blueski), Friday, 22 December 2006 15:43 (nineteen years ago)

MASH, Phil Silvers Show, Cheers?

Dom Passantino (DomPassantino), Friday, 22 December 2006 15:44 (nineteen years ago)

My Name Is Earl

ailsa_xx (ailsa_xx), Friday, 22 December 2006 15:46 (nineteen years ago)

fraiser. exception the simpsons but family guy does follow the rule... if you take brian and stewie as the principal characters.

acrobat (acrobat), Friday, 22 December 2006 15:47 (nineteen years ago)

gilligans island

stevie (stevie2), Friday, 22 December 2006 15:48 (nineteen years ago)

i remember simon price writing something about the unhealthiness of the dynamic within Friends - that they were trapped in a co-dependent relationship that was unwelcome of outsiders - but i don't think the show often explicitly explored that, and only probably in later episodes.

stevie (stevie2), Friday, 22 December 2006 15:49 (nineteen years ago)

actually i'm not sure fawlty towers follow this rule. basil can walk out at any time and in the end does.

acrobat (acrobat), Friday, 22 December 2006 15:49 (nineteen years ago)

except when Phoebe married outside of the clique, you mean? xpost re Friends.

ailsa_xx (ailsa_xx), Friday, 22 December 2006 15:51 (nineteen years ago)

how are Cheers and Frasier about 'situations they can't get out of'?

sede vacante (blueski), Friday, 22 December 2006 15:53 (nineteen years ago)

Especially since Frasier got out of Seattle at the end (having previously got out of Boston)?

ailsa_xx (ailsa_xx), Friday, 22 December 2006 15:55 (nineteen years ago)

in Cheers they all spend every night of their lives in the same bar for eleven years - i guess it seems like they're trapped. i always liked norm's line in the last episode, tho, that the point of life was to find something you love doing and just do it. seemed an optimistic spin on the 'trapped' paradigm.

stevie (stevie2), Friday, 22 December 2006 15:56 (nineteen years ago)

but i don't think the show often explicitly explored that, and only probably in later episodes.

Or the episode in series one where Fisher Stevens comes right out and says it, accusing their big coffee cups of basically having nipples on them, and all.

My little brother has a teeny, tiny part in the Father Ted Christmas Special, so we got to go to the recording, and to the party afterwards. I have photos of me and Kevin McKidd, and me and Ardal. It was the best Christmas party ever.

accentmonkey (accentmonkey), Friday, 22 December 2006 16:01 (nineteen years ago)

http://img134.imageshack.us/img134/504/nemi11yn4.gif

We don't have a "TEMP NORWEGIAN COMEDY THREAD" so I posted it here.

Dom Passantino (DomPassantino), Friday, 22 December 2006 22:12 (nineteen years ago)

is that shit with the ugly redheaded dude in a neck brace still on?

and what (ooo), Friday, 22 December 2006 23:20 (nineteen years ago)

he had a hit single

and what (ooo), Friday, 22 December 2006 23:20 (nineteen years ago)

that Father Ted Xmas special has my all-time favourite FT moment, when Ted is running down the beach haunted by visions of his friends rejecting him, only for the abject features of Dougal to materialise, gaze around in bafflement, and disappear in total confusion.

I am the best lyrocost since Dylan (Scourage), Friday, 22 December 2006 23:29 (nineteen years ago)

is that shit with the ugly redheaded dude in a neck brace still on?

This to me is the weirdest comedy act of all time - I mean, I like almost everything, shamelessly, and I have never figured out what this guy is doing with his comedy. Meaning I don't even get the jokes, or what he's parodying, or what he's even doing. From the endless Craig David gag, to Madonna farting, to the ejaculating bear, and on and on.
But when I tell people I love "Darkplace," "Nathan Barley," "High Spirits," "Snuffbox," etc., they assume I also love Avid Merrion/Leigh Francis/The Bear. What is wrong with me?

Tiki Theater Xymposium (Tiki Theater Xymposium), Friday, 22 December 2006 23:39 (nineteen years ago)

But when I tell people I love... "High Spirits,"

lol

Dom Passantino (DomPassantino), Friday, 22 December 2006 23:44 (nineteen years ago)

Is that guy frowned upon? Marc Wooten or whatever? I just caught a couple of episodes of that show and I was dying at a few of the gags - it was definitely hit or miss, but some of the bits were quite inspired, I thought.

Tiki Theater Xymposium (Tiki Theater Xymposium), Saturday, 23 December 2006 05:28 (nineteen years ago)

High Spirits is kind of rubbish. I sort of assume the people who find him funny also "get" Avid Merrion/Leigh Francis, but I may be way off base there and they are possibly two completely different varieties of shit.

I got home pissed from the pub last night and found the Bo Selecta Christmas song on the telly. It's the first (and hopefully last) time I've ever seen or heard it. It was horrible.

ailsa_xx (ailsa_xx), Saturday, 23 December 2006 10:14 (nineteen years ago)

Shirley Ghostman channelling the corpse of his own act:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jt71SoRcMTU

Frogm@n henry (Frogm@n henry), Saturday, 23 December 2006 10:19 (nineteen years ago)

Yeah, I was just looking for that. Possibly the greatest thing on youtube.

Dom Passantino (DomPassantino), Saturday, 23 December 2006 12:50 (nineteen years ago)

I got home pissed from the pub last night and found the Bo Selecta Christmas song on the telly. It's the first (and hopefully last) time I've ever seen or heard it. It was horrible.

Worse than the Fat Les one?

accentmonkey (accentmonkey), Saturday, 23 December 2006 15:05 (nineteen years ago)

not really the right thread but...
Walsh shocks ITV with "dire" chat show pilot

you have to wonder just how bad this actually was for even ITV to pass

sede vacante (blueski), Wednesday, 27 December 2006 21:42 (nineteen years ago)

ricky gervais meets... garry shadling was awesome last nite. ricky got nicely taken to task. some really akward stuff there, no sure if it was real or to soem extent staged. either way weird.

d walliams vs b george on Big Fat Quiz of the Year was similary uncomfortable. enjoyed it in a turn of cookd n bombd part of brain, bit of a sausage-fest, cat deely didn't do much. i wonder if they'll have josie long nex year.

acrobat (acrobat), Thursday, 28 December 2006 01:17 (nineteen years ago)

i watched both those ricky gervais interviews and... what a wasted opportunity. i know from bitter experience that comedians are often tricky to interview, but both shows seemed more abt ricky and toying with the concept of interviews and the unnatural aspects of them. guest and shandling are fascinating characters, and while i accept guest never lets much go in interviews, in both shows there were so many examples where they were midway through good anecdotes or ideas, and gervais interrupted to play the comedic buffoon. really irritating. i like the office and extras, but these shows and his standup routine really suck.

stevie (stevie2), Thursday, 28 December 2006 12:46 (nineteen years ago)

anyway, the funniest on crimbo teevee was anthony worral thomson torturing a hnugover/drunk oz clarke on Christmas Cooks, boxing day. excruciating tv. clarke was just getting more and more irate as it went on, whining at worral (who i generally hate) and seeming so obviously not up to the task of doing the show.

stevie (stevie2), Thursday, 28 December 2006 12:48 (nineteen years ago)

But every show that Ricky Gervais has a hand in is about Ricky Gervais. He has learned this from his good friend Jonathan Ross. Never, ever let anyone get into the flow of telling an interesting story, because then the viewers might take away a memory of them instead of you from YOUR SHOW.

accentmonkey (accentmonkey), Thursday, 28 December 2006 12:48 (nineteen years ago)

the most interesting thing about gervais / shandling was when shand got him on the ropes. gervais was completely unable to defend himself when levelled with the accusations that he maybe enjoying his minority bashing a little too much. his "comedy of embarrasment" get out seemed really lame, he didn't seem able to properly even explain his own jokes beyond "it's funny" which would be fine if most of his jokes didn't revolve around some minority or other.

acrobat (acrobat), Thursday, 28 December 2006 15:47 (nineteen years ago)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8olrVQM08G0 car crash

acrobat (acrobat), Thursday, 28 December 2006 16:24 (nineteen years ago)

is this the thread where i say, "thanks but no thanks for hardware, UK!"?

(and then the UK returns the favor for like everything USian ever, right.)

GAWD PVNCH (yournullfame), Saturday, 30 December 2006 12:09 (nineteen years ago)

Yes, this is that thread.

accentmonkey (accentmonkey), Saturday, 30 December 2006 12:13 (nineteen years ago)

is that shit with the ugly redheaded dude in a neck brace still on?
-- and what (an...), December 22nd, 2006.

i think they just had a series called 'bo in the usa' where presumably the team went to the usa.

temporary enrique (temporary enrique), Tuesday, 2 January 2007 14:22 (nineteen years ago)

who up in this bitch saw 'the thick of it'?

temporary enrique (temporary enrique), Wednesday, 3 January 2007 09:24 (nineteen years ago)

I did. I thought it was magnificent. I almost dropped my sleeping daughter during the Al Jolson/iPod bit.

Michael Jones (MichaelJ), Wednesday, 3 January 2007 10:07 (nineteen years ago)

TV Comedy moment of last year was this:

Highlight: The kids got a karaoke video camera unit thingy, we plugged it in and they did passable versions of "HotHotHot" and "YMCA".

Amber took the mic for "Girlfriend" by N-Sync. I didn't know the song, let alone Amber, but she read the lyrics in a flat loud monotone in pure classic Drimble Wedge and the Vegetations style (See: Peter Cook in Bedazzled) but much much better lyrics for it..

"He does not love you.
He will never love you.."

(we were all crying but thankfully Amber did't notice or wasn;t bothered)

-- M Grout (mark.grou...), January 2nd, 2007 10:22 AM. (later)


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Particularly this bit:
In the middle of the night
Is he gonna be by your side?
Or will he run and hide?
You don't know cause things ain't clear
And baby when you cry
Is he gonna stand by your side?
Does the man even know you're alive?


Leonard Cohen, eat your heart out!

-- M Grout (mark.grou...), January 2nd, 2007 10:24 AM. (later)

OK, so it wasn't actually a broadcast! Technicalities...

M Grout (Mark Grout), Wednesday, 3 January 2007 10:10 (nineteen years ago)

i need to tape 'TTOI' (assuming it gets a repeat) cos it was so dense. tucker's bit on newsnight ('newsbot 3.1') fer example. if anything there was a bit too much tucker, i wanted more of the tories. very glad to see the bald blairite guy back.

temporary enrique (temporary enrique), Wednesday, 3 January 2007 10:14 (nineteen years ago)

Roger Allam was quite brilliant. Are they hedging their bets for the next series, in case the Tories get in?

Chuck_Tatum (Chuck_Tatum), Wednesday, 3 January 2007 10:40 (nineteen years ago)


It's nonsense to applaud acts such as Borat and Little Britain for being 'non-PC', says Stewart Lee. It's the fact that the writers are truly aware of what's offensive - and what life was like before political correctness made things better - that makes them so funny

Wednesday January 3, 2007
The Guardian


With Borat the highest-grossing adult-rated film in the US for 2006, the writing team of Ricky Gervais and Stephen Merchant booming with a second series of Extras, and Little Britain still riding high, it's clear that the comedy of shock, bad taste and outrage shows no sign of disappearing. But reading about these shows in print and online, they are often described in a way that makes me, for one, feel as if I have been watching different material from everyone else.
For many viewers and critics, Borat, Little Britain and The Office and Extras represent blows against the monstrous, and perhaps largely imagined, regiment of politically correct thinkers, who impinge upon our basic freedoms on a daily basis. "Little Britain makes no apologies for being highly offensive and preying on the sensitivities of even the slightest politically correct sensibilities, which in an ever more sanitised society should be applauded," writes Michael Byrne, of Time Out Dubai, where society is considerably more sanitised than it is here. "Borat raises an index finger to political correctness and all its exponents," claims Mail on Sunday reader Colin Veitch online, who obviously feels that were Borat to raise his middle finger, the finger traditionally used for giving offence, he may have been overstating his case. Meanwhile, an Extras fan site lauds "Ricky Gervais and Stephen Merchant's mockery of political correctness".

I'm 38, and old enough to remember comedy, and life in general, before political correctness. At secondary school in the Midlands in the early 80s, our maths teacher, who was a genuinely nice man, would routinely refer to the one Asian boy in our class as "the Black Spot", fondly imagining that this was in some way inclusive, like some pocket calculator-wielding version of David Brent™. And the idea of a comic performer like Little Britain's Matt Lucas being openly gay - let alone having photographs of his civil ceremony splashed across the tabloids - would have been unimaginable, however camp his on-stage persona.
There's a vast difference between the casual, inadvertent offence prevalent in my childhood and the choices made today by performers and writers of my generation, operating in a post-PC world, where they are aware of the power and meaning of the taboos they choose to break. Linguistic theorists who define the terminology of political correctness suggest that grammatical choices made in language influence both the speaker's and the listener's ideas and actions. This would seem to be common sense, so it would be churlish to argue against the idea of attempting to ensure basic levels of politeness and consideration in official, public discourse.

I am a great fan of political correctness, even though, as one of the writers of Jerry Springer the Opera, I was routinely praised for apparently attacking it, and feel that any indignities we suffer from PC's overzealous policing are a small price to pay for all that it has achieved. Is anyone apart from Robertson's jam really inconvenienced by the extinction of the golliwog?

So why, then, do some sections of the viewing public insist on seeing attacks on PC where there perhaps are none?

Stephen Merchant, co-writer of The Office and Extras with Ricky Gervais, says: "We're endlessly cited as being non-PC, and yet we sit and agonise for ages over what we put into the scripts, and over whether our choices can be defended, both morally and intellectually," he says. "We may push things, but we're always motivated by satirical imperatives." But the duo's scripts do use non-PC language? "Yes," explains Merchant, clearly slotting back into a tramline he has had to follow many times before. "But we deal in taboos and hot areas by appearing to approach them from a non-PC standpoint, but as soon as you even introduce topics that PC has declared off limits, people assume you are trying to be dangerous and politically incorrect. Often we're all unsure of what to say, for example, in the company of someone who is disabled. These are areas ripe for comedy because of social anxiety, not because the subject itself is intrinsically funny. A joke about race, and about how we react to race, is not necessarily a racist joke. That is fundamental. Political correctness has made the world better for those who might otherwise have been unfairly marginalised, but there is the problem of the idea that you cannot discuss different areas for fear of being politically incorrect."

Peter Baynham is one of the unsung heroes of British comedy over the past two decades - he wrote the famous "Michael Heseltine Is Dead" bit for Chris Morris's radio show, and helped sculpt Patrick Marber's Alan Partridge character from its chatshow incarnation into its fully realised sitcom version. But it is as one of the co-writers of Sacha Baron-Cohen's Borat movie that he has finally won a British Comedy Award, the industry's least valuable honour, and earned enough money to buy David Hasselhoff's hair from him and wear it as if it were his own. So what does he think of the attacks on the Borat film? According to Simon Dillon, of the Christian film review website The Greatest Trick, "Borat is a monstrous creation designed to fly in the face of every politically correct notion you can possibly think of, yet despite being misogynistic, homophobic, anti-semitic, and worse, Borat has proved hugely popular, possibly because people are sick and tired of politically correct comedy (surely a contradiction in terms in any case)."

Baynham is philosophical about the way Borat has occasionally been received. "It's weird to see the film seized upon by people who hate political correctness, and think it's a bad thing, when PC was clearly just an understandable reaction to 70s racist awfulness," he says, on a rare trip home from Los Angeles to the native land he now scorns. "In my own pretentious, terrible opinion, which may not be shared by the other writers, the Borat movie is not anti-PC at all. When Borat says a black politician has a 'genuine chocolate face' he is a) clearly an idiot and b) from a naive, fictionalised foreign culture. But it's also a good thing to do because that bit absolutely wouldn't have been funny 25 years ago, precisely because that sort of thing was more openly said by people. It's a little kick, a little reminder, of why we don't say those things, and it's weird when you read people saying it was deliberately offensive. The laugh is a laugh of 'Oh my God, you can't say that!' People are laughing with shock, because we've reminded them of why it's wrong to say that black people have chocolate faces." At this point, Baynham seems to be approaching something profound and timeless about comedy, that stretches beyond petty concerns about political correctness.

At the end of September last year, I was lucky enough to attend the St Geronimo feast-day celebrations at Taos Pueblo, New Mexico, while helping out on a Radio 4 documentary about clowns. For a long time I had fondly imagined that the clowns of the Pueblo Indians, who take over the village for the afternoon on the second day of the festival, might be a key to understanding, on some essential level, what comedy is, and what comedy is for. I had seen a re-creation of the medieval fools' day five years ago near Béziers in Languedoc, when the bouffonnades, a clown troupe which was traditionally assembled from the village's mentally and physically handicapped outcasts, were given free rein to mock the citizenry, but research suggested the Pueblo clowns seemed to have a more pronounced philosophical dimension.

Just after lunch, 10 figures appeared, silhouetted against the blue sky on the roof of a stack of brown adobe buildings. They were naked but for loincloths, their bodies painted in rings of concentric black and white stripes, their hair decorated with jagged stalks of corn. After a while, the clowns made their way down into the plaza, where they ran between the houses, intimidating and entertaining, overturning every social norm at hand, and reshaping the rules of Pueblo life. Food was stolen from stallholders and redistributed. We were shouted at, shoved and shocked. Our drinks were flung on the floor. We followed the clowns into the chief's house, where an absurd Indian dance was performed at the dinner table for the benefit of his white guests. Back outside, Pueblo women were made to wear different-sized shoes, so they struggled and stumbled as they walked; young men were clad in dresses and forced to skip. And when confronted with someone in a wheelchair, or a mentally handicapped onlooker, the clowns would fall before them on their knees in worship.

Despite our BBC credentials, Native American commentators were reluctant to explain the theory behind any of this practice in detail, partly because, when the white settlers moved into the American south-west, one of the first things their delicate sensibilities required them to suppress were the Pueblo clown ceremonials, but gentle pressure revealed the suggestion of a social, maybe even moral, purpose at work. By reversing the norms and breaking the taboos, the clowns show us what we have to lose, and what we might also stand to gain, if we step outside the restrictions of social convention and polite everyday discourse.

This core idea holds whether it is played out up close in the plaza of a New Mexican pueblo, or miles away by the tiny dots of television stars on the stage of a vast arena. Comedy is about funny faces, and funny noises, and silly words and stupid fun, but it's also about this more profound idea. To say that the taboo-busting antics of current favourites like Borat or Extras are somehow bound up explicitly in contemporary cultural negotiations with the ephemeral, late-20th-century notion of political correctness is to miss the point on a massive scale. This stuff is justified, ancient and righteous. It is not there to be appropriated by Daily Mail editorials as evidence of mass disillusionment with the soft left, nor by disgusted liberals as examples of society's collapsing values. It's comedy, the noblest of all the arts, and it goes way back.

Dom Passantino (DomPassantino), Wednesday, 3 January 2007 12:59 (nineteen years ago)

Peter Baynham [...] helped sculpt Patrick Marber's Alan Partridge character from its chatshow incarnation into its fully realised sitcom version.

you wouldn't let it lie!

temporary enrique (temporary enrique), Wednesday, 3 January 2007 14:03 (nineteen years ago)

It's a shame that we are unlikely to know the rather overemployed Mr Lee's thoughts on Only An Excuse? which went out on BBC1 Scotland on Hogmanay night and was by far the funniest thing on TV over the holidays (though I agree about the Oz Clarke/Squashed Bee Gee clash of the, er, titans on Christmas Cooks).

Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Wednesday, 3 January 2007 14:17 (nineteen years ago)

was that a 700 word (guess) attempt to prove that comedians can get away with saying anything they want cos lol its funny? thing is though Extras isn't funny. neither is Little Britain. at all.

acrobat (acrobat), Wednesday, 3 January 2007 14:33 (nineteen years ago)

Neither is Jerry Springer: The Opera, come to think of it.

Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Wednesday, 3 January 2007 14:35 (nineteen years ago)

'i beat my wife occasionally because it reminds her for a second of how life was when we were allowed to beat our wives.'

temporary enrique (temporary enrique), Wednesday, 3 January 2007 14:36 (nineteen years ago)

You could maybe accept Ricky Gervais saying that he was playing with the awkwardness of political correctness rather than being outright offensive if he wasn't the same man who said he had a packet of man size Kleenex ready for the "shower scenes" in Schindler's List.

Onimo drank ALL the wine! (nu_onimo), Wednesday, 3 January 2007 14:38 (nineteen years ago)

"People are laughing with shock, because we've reminded them of why it's wrong to say that black people have chocolate faces."

This is kind of stunning.

Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Wednesday, 3 January 2007 14:40 (nineteen years ago)

stewart lee is really broke after that opera right? anyway over x mas harry hill's tv burp was very funny.

acrobat (acrobat), Wednesday, 3 January 2007 14:40 (nineteen years ago)

I have only just caught up with the first series of The Office and admire Gervais for the scene where he and his assface friend compulsively quote Python -- potentially alienating to his audience. Also, it's so damn good, and I find the guy who plays Tim ridiculously sexy; now I have to watch that Hitchhikers Guide movie.

As for the gags quoted above, where is R.G. doing them? Is it cuz he's not playing a Funny Little Foreign Man that he's getting more grief than S.B. Cohen? or do they come off as more artless?

Dr M (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 3 January 2007 14:42 (nineteen years ago)

The Schindler's List gag was from one of his stand up routines (Politics, I think).

Onimo drank ALL the wine! (nu_onimo), Wednesday, 3 January 2007 14:43 (nineteen years ago)

There was a thing on C4 about a bunch of young 'uns who were shown a 30-minute compilation of Benny Hill material. Most of them decided that it/he was still funny.

Then again no mention was made in the programme about Hill's sidesplitting "THERAPIST/THE RAPIST" sketch.

Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Wednesday, 3 January 2007 14:45 (nineteen years ago)

before 'the office' his shtick was saying un-PC things on a (terrible) alt.comedy show that also launched ali g.

in 'extras' he has basically returned to hte old shtick but with a larry david mask wonily secured to his mug.

xpost

temporary enrique (temporary enrique), Wednesday, 3 January 2007 14:45 (nineteen years ago)

Benny Hill used to recycle his material endlessly.

M Grout (Mark Grout), Wednesday, 3 January 2007 14:48 (nineteen years ago)

well yes.

temporary enrique (temporary enrique), Wednesday, 3 January 2007 14:49 (nineteen years ago)

also he does awful self aggrandizing interviews. where he boasts about his many awards under the veil of "irony" from under which he also apprently has licence to say anything about pretty much anybody. garry shandling gave him some well needed verbal smack down on boxing day aired interview.

xpost

acrobat (acrobat), Wednesday, 3 January 2007 14:50 (nineteen years ago)

Without wanting to defend everything Gervais says/does, I think what's central to the Schindler's List crack is that he's talking about a movie, not the Holocaust. Not that Gervais has necessarily thought it thru that far himself.

Pat Robertson Mescalin (Modal Fugue), Wednesday, 3 January 2007 14:50 (nineteen years ago)

Benny Hill used to recycle silent comedians' material endlessly.

Dr M (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 3 January 2007 14:53 (nineteen years ago)

yeh the conceit of the schindler's list gag is that he thought it was dutch porn i think. i'm not sure if that makes it worse. i remember him oing it on the 11 o clock show though and not finding it that funny.

acrobat (acrobat), Wednesday, 3 January 2007 14:54 (nineteen years ago)

is it a kind of 'tissues for wanking vs tissues for crying' plus tasteless pun on 'shower scene' thing? i can't remember the gag but hey-hey, it sounds shit.

temporary enrique (temporary enrique), Wednesday, 3 January 2007 14:56 (nineteen years ago)

Being "shocking" is so easy tho. Much easier than being shocking.

Pat Robertson Mescalin (Modal Fugue), Wednesday, 3 January 2007 14:59 (nineteen years ago)

That's what I thought. Just shit then, rather than offensive. Like most things Gervais does these days. (xpost to Enrique)

Acrobat OTM about his self-aggrandizement. I've never quite worked out where Ricky Gervais ends and his characters begin. He's quite the megalomaniac, isn't he?

ailsa_xx (ailsa_xx), Wednesday, 3 January 2007 15:00 (nineteen years ago)

Remember on the 11 O'Clock show where Lee and Donovan would just make offensive jokes for the whole show, and then Gervais would come on and make the same jokes but they were suddenly all "oh no you can't say that Gervais you bad man" like he'd come on and in some way upped the obnoxious snide quotient

Michael Annoyman (Michael Annoyman), Wednesday, 3 January 2007 15:00 (nineteen years ago)

it's cos he had a lower-middle-class accent, is how that worked i think.

temporary enrique (temporary enrique), Wednesday, 3 January 2007 15:01 (nineteen years ago)

If I remember right, he was supposed to be a Tabloid journo or something?

Pat Robertson Mescalin (Modal Fugue), Wednesday, 3 January 2007 15:03 (nineteen years ago)

gervais is the petridis of comedy innit. he wants to shockingly debunk all your preconcived notions and wittily tell it how it really is but he wants you to be his friend as he does so.

acrobat (acrobat), Wednesday, 3 January 2007 15:03 (nineteen years ago)

8/10

Michael Annoyman (Michael Annoyman), Wednesday, 3 January 2007 15:04 (nineteen years ago)

RG is probably a Tory as well.

Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Wednesday, 3 January 2007 15:05 (nineteen years ago)

If I'm more offended by an unfunny racist joke than I am by a funny one, does that make me a racist?

Dom Passantino (DomPassantino), Wednesday, 3 January 2007 15:07 (nineteen years ago)

From imdb (and therefore possibly not verbatim)

Ricky Gervais: I think Schindler's List is a fantastic film. And I didn't watch it at the cinema actually. I got it out on video, about a year later - by mistake - 'cause I'd never heard of it and I was in Blockbuster sort of late one night. I was a bit drunk, and I thought it was a porn film. No, 'cause I saw 18 certificate, top shelf. I thought, oh, black and white - dodgy home movie, German sounding - they're the best, and what swung it was that quote on the back from Barry Norman: "Have a box of Kleenex ready". Rubbish, I used about two.
(comedy pause before final line)
There was a shower scene.

Onimo drank ALL the wine! (nu_onimo), Wednesday, 3 January 2007 15:12 (nineteen years ago)

Ralph Fiennes' performance in Schindler's List was far funnier than that "gag."

Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Wednesday, 3 January 2007 15:13 (nineteen years ago)

That joke was cribbed from Chubby Brown, for whatever that's worth in standup

Feargal Hixxy (DJ Mencap), Wednesday, 3 January 2007 15:14 (nineteen years ago)

so you're basically saying he is David Brent.

Dr M (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 3 January 2007 15:16 (nineteen years ago)

Well, I know Frank Skinner used the same line about the film about Red Rum, same quote supposedly by Barry Norman.

M Grout (Mark Grout), Wednesday, 3 January 2007 15:16 (nineteen years ago)

And I don't suppose

1) the norman quote *is* on the DVD of Schindler's list
2) he said it about any film ever at all!

M Grout (Mark Grout), Wednesday, 3 January 2007 15:18 (nineteen years ago)

Chubby Brown > Ricky Gervais by about six lengths.

Dom Passantino (DomPassantino), Wednesday, 3 January 2007 15:19 (nineteen years ago)

OK guess who:

"They say you are what you eat.

That makes me a cunt"

M Grout (Mark Grout), Wednesday, 3 January 2007 15:21 (nineteen years ago)

£500,000 contract with C4, whoever it is.

Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Wednesday, 3 January 2007 15:22 (nineteen years ago)

(I suppose it'll turn out to be Bob Monkhouse or someone won't it?)

Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Wednesday, 3 January 2007 15:22 (nineteen years ago)

Chloe Ashcroft?

Michael Jones (MichaelJ), Wednesday, 3 January 2007 15:23 (nineteen years ago)

you might use the kleenex line about i dunno 'love story', but not 'schindler's list'. it's a strained joke. but anyway anyway anyway you don't need to parse unverified transcripts of his old stuff to see how gervais is un-PC in a bad way, just watch 'extras'.

temporary enrique (temporary enrique), Wednesday, 3 January 2007 15:23 (nineteen years ago)

In the early 90s he was run off stage in Middlesbrough in the first few minutes of a show. At the height of a child abuse scandal in the town, he opened his show by saying "I'm surprised there are so many of you here - I thought you'd all be at home playing with your kids". Also he was banned from performing on stage in Darlington by the borough council as he said on one of his videos.

He also caused controversy in a Catholic social club in his hometown of Middlesbrough, beginning the act by pointing at a crucifix on the wall with Jesus and saying "I see you caught the bastard who nicked the video."

Dom Passantino (DomPassantino), Wednesday, 3 January 2007 15:23 (nineteen years ago)

Billy Connolly to thread.

Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Wednesday, 3 January 2007 15:26 (nineteen years ago)

Quote was RCB. But, admit you played it in your head with RGerv's voice. And Justin Lee Collins, for the last part for the hell of it.


(I liked that last one re the video)

M Grout (Mark Grout), Wednesday, 3 January 2007 15:26 (nineteen years ago)

Coming on C4 in 2007:

Bring Back...The Manson Family!

Irrepressible comic TV's Justin Lee Collins sets about releasing the wacky sixties slayers to see how much comedy havoc they can wreak in England's green and pleasant land! Watch and chuckle as they pop into the family home of wacky TV star Jonathan Ross!

Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Wednesday, 3 January 2007 15:30 (nineteen years ago)

Bring Back... The Bridgewater Four

"Now Karl can't be with us this evening"

Dom Passantino (DomPassantino), Wednesday, 3 January 2007 15:32 (nineteen years ago)

Bring Back... The Wycombe Eight!

JLC: Bloody 'ell! It's a cinema!

M Grout (Mark Grout), Wednesday, 3 January 2007 15:34 (nineteen years ago)

Now, are you guys being shocking or "shocking"?

Michael Jones (MichaelJ), Wednesday, 3 January 2007 15:48 (nineteen years ago)

anyway thing about gervais i find the most baffling is the way he pays lipservice to some righteous idea of comedy. how he seems to pour vitriol on the idea of "catchphrase comedy", how he seems to have a geunuine enough reverence for certain american comedians (though does rather lack humilty when meeting them), how he seems to have all these ideas about "great comedy"... yet so often he just can't fuffil them. i dunno if he thinks these things cos it's the right thing to do or something or if he just hasn't got the skills to pull of some of these things.

acrobat (acrobat), Wednesday, 3 January 2007 15:53 (nineteen years ago)

Gervais catchphrase:

"urrr..... s' a bit depressin' innnit?"

M Grout (Mark Grout), Wednesday, 3 January 2007 15:55 (nineteen years ago)

one month passes...
screen burn was better last night than last week.

temporary enrique (temporary enrique), Tuesday, 13 February 2007 12:17 (nineteen years ago)

no, it was shit. "90% of "high-brow" fiction is crap..." , oh it is, that's right cos you've read all of it haven't you.

Frogm@n henry (Frogm@n henry), Tuesday, 13 February 2007 12:22 (nineteen years ago)

i'm sure you're both right.

resumo impetus (blueski), Tuesday, 13 February 2007 12:26 (nineteen years ago)

fun fact learned from cookd and bombd: charlie brooker is directly responsible for the production of 8 OUT OF TEN CATS, THE LAW OF THE PLAYGROUND, SPOONS, and SPACE CADETS.

i have never seen screen burn. it can't be better than tv burp.

acrobat (acrobat), Tuesday, 13 February 2007 12:26 (nineteen years ago)

it isn't. but it is funny.

temporary enrique (temporary enrique), Tuesday, 13 February 2007 12:27 (nineteen years ago)

screen burn was better last night than last week.

There was one line I laughed out loud at, can't remember what it was. Never watched TV Burp (Harry Hill, innit?)

Tom D. (Dada), Tuesday, 13 February 2007 12:28 (nineteen years ago)

they're about the same in lolcount i find

resumo impetus (blueski), Tuesday, 13 February 2007 12:30 (nineteen years ago)

the first ep was enjoyable, but last night's stank. srsly fuck computer games, they don't need any more exposure or praise. who was he tryng to convince, bbc four viewers? "get orff your lazy arses and play computer games you nerds!"

also, too many absurd generalisations. he gets going on a subject and it's verbal diarrhea, incorrect statement after nonesical assertion.

Frogm@n henry (Frogm@n henry), Tuesday, 13 February 2007 12:30 (nineteen years ago)

but only cos TV Burp has dipped a bit lately imo

resumo impetus (blueski), Tuesday, 13 February 2007 12:31 (nineteen years ago)

nonsensical

Frogm@n henry (Frogm@n henry), Tuesday, 13 February 2007 12:31 (nineteen years ago)

listening to last week's Down The Line (http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio4/comedy/downtheline.shtml) laughing at the face transplant woman to the point where people are looking at me.

funny bit in ScreenWipe = Micro Live and the 'i've just bought a Z80 processor and i could be a russian spy'.

koogs (koogs), Tuesday, 13 February 2007 12:35 (nineteen years ago)

i remember when he did the 'wai to haet comptuer games' bit in the graun, people here were like lol every1 plays computer games now charlie. but not in my world!

temporary enrique (temporary enrique), Tuesday, 13 February 2007 12:36 (nineteen years ago)

wow. funniest programs on tv are about tv. anyway who is looking forward to russell brands sitcom debut this wednesday in the abbey... straight after he presents the brit awards! god those bear trap ads are annoying and i kinda liked brand over the summer. cbb big mouth he seemed to lose it a bit but i'm not sure that was his fault as such.

acrobat (acrobat), Tuesday, 13 February 2007 12:38 (nineteen years ago)

I think of Brooker as the attack dog of the militant nerd tendency. He's like a little ZX81 spod trying to be Steven Wells.

Piedie Gimbel (Piedie Gimbel), Tuesday, 13 February 2007 12:39 (nineteen years ago)

Steven Wells is shit tho

Tom D. (Dada), Tuesday, 13 February 2007 12:40 (nineteen years ago)

Exzachly.

Piedie Gimbel (Piedie Gimbel), Tuesday, 13 February 2007 12:41 (nineteen years ago)

swells is godlike!

temporary enrique (temporary enrique), Tuesday, 13 February 2007 12:45 (nineteen years ago)

Oh get a grip. We've had this discussion before.

Tom D. (Dada), Tuesday, 13 February 2007 12:48 (nineteen years ago)

http://davno.ru/img/posters/collections/stalin/poster-06.jpg

Frogm@n henry (Frogm@n henry), Tuesday, 13 February 2007 12:48 (nineteen years ago)

there is a range of ilx opinions on swells. the same can't be said of any current nme staffers.

acrobat (acrobat), Tuesday, 13 February 2007 12:50 (nineteen years ago)

We've had this discussion before.

enjoy your stay in ilx

temporary enrique (temporary enrique), Tuesday, 13 February 2007 12:53 (nineteen years ago)

There's some coals I don't mind raking over

Tom D. (Dada), Tuesday, 13 February 2007 12:56 (nineteen years ago)

Steven Wells is shit.

It's Teatime in Buttercup Land (Maaarghk C), Tuesday, 13 February 2007 13:03 (nineteen years ago)

WHERE ARE THOSE DOWNLOADABLE DOWN THE LINES THAT SOMEONE LINKED TO LAST WEEK OR THE WEEK BEFORE? SORRY CAPS LOCK.

PJ Miller (PJ Miller), Tuesday, 13 February 2007 13:39 (nineteen years ago)

They're on C+B, I've not had enough coffee to brave that forum today.

Dom Passantino (DomPassantino), Tuesday, 13 February 2007 14:27 (nineteen years ago)

Balls of Steel has a Myspace!

http://www.myspace.com/ballsofsteeldvd

Let's all join up to celebrate how one TV show can bring together the greatest comic minds of a generation.

Dom Passantino (DomPassantino), Tuesday, 13 February 2007 15:58 (nineteen years ago)

Anyone still watching Shameless? The new series has settled into an amiable enough groove, though has yet to come close the manic peaks of previous series. Still better than Skins though. Frank driving the ice cream van e'd out of his face was pretty good.

Chap (chap), Tuesday, 13 February 2007 23:32 (nineteen years ago)

I watched a bit of episode 1 of this series of Shameless. There was the unlikely situation of two grown women fighting for the affections of Frank in the annoying, loud prat-falling manner of Ab Fab at it's most desperate and shrill. I gave up after that.

DavidM (DavidM), Wednesday, 14 February 2007 00:29 (nineteen years ago)

We have not yet discussed BENIDORM.

I thought the opening scene on Skins last night (orchestra practice) was very funny, but I was too tired to watch the rest of it.

PJ Miller (PJ Miller), Wednesday, 14 February 2007 08:48 (nineteen years ago)

i saw preston on NMTB. i'd forgotten he walked out until he walked out. very good.

temporary enrique (temporary enrique), Thursday, 15 February 2007 10:00 (nineteen years ago)

i watched about 10 minutes of the abbey. abysmal. how does stuff like that even get onto telly?

acrobat (acrobat), Thursday, 15 February 2007 10:05 (nineteen years ago)

he has some problems

crosspost

RJG (RJG), Thursday, 15 February 2007 10:08 (nineteen years ago)

preston? he does. his brother is a fucking twaz too.

temporary enrique (temporary enrique), Thursday, 15 February 2007 10:08 (nineteen years ago)

Oh, I forgot about NMTB :-(

Brits was v. unfunny, what I saw.

PJ Miller (PJ Miller), Thursday, 15 February 2007 10:12 (nineteen years ago)

Preston may actually be insane, he did some interview around the time of Celeb BB this year saying something to the effect that he wouldn't be watching it, as it was just people trying to launch dead careers, as opposed to when he was on it.

White Collar Boxer (DomPassantino), Thursday, 15 February 2007 10:14 (nineteen years ago)

it wasn't like he was defending her honour/making a statement, even--more like he just couldn't handle it & didn't know what to do

crossposts

he has a weird face, too

RJG (RJG), Thursday, 15 February 2007 10:14 (nineteen years ago)

or is cheating on her and needed a publicity stunt.

acrobat (acrobat), Thursday, 15 February 2007 10:16 (nineteen years ago)

no, he definitely has a weird face, too

RJG (RJG), Thursday, 15 February 2007 10:18 (nineteen years ago)

can't he have both?

acrobat (acrobat), Thursday, 15 February 2007 10:22 (nineteen years ago)

He looks like a men's magazine model, which has always been the most disconcerting thing about him. He should be brooding over a selection of watches, not making music.

White Collar Boxer (DomPassantino), Thursday, 15 February 2007 10:24 (nineteen years ago)

only if you swap "and" for "or"

RJG (RJG), Thursday, 15 February 2007 10:24 (nineteen years ago)

his face is sort of concaved

RJG (RJG), Thursday, 15 February 2007 10:25 (nineteen years ago)

Is this repeated? Was watching fussball on Beeb 1.

Venga1 (Venga1), Thursday, 15 February 2007 11:01 (nineteen years ago)

youtube is failing me

stevie (stevie2), Thursday, 15 February 2007 12:07 (nineteen years ago)

http://media.guardian.co.uk/site/story/0,,2013787,00.html?gusrc=ticker-103704

i blame alanis

temporary enrique (temporary enrique), Thursday, 15 February 2007 13:27 (nineteen years ago)

four years pass...

so SBCohen's Freddy Mercury biopic is going to happen?

Dr Morbius, Thursday, 1 December 2011 21:31 (fourteen years ago)

http://twitter.com/#!/hellobuglers/status/146922611862011904

James, Thursday, 15 December 2011 13:54 (fourteen years ago)


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