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Maria Emily (Maria), Thursday, 30 November 2006 21:14 (seventeen years ago) link

Okay. Question one. Does anything bad happen if you *cook* a yogurt-based sauce?

Maria Emily (Maria), Thursday, 30 November 2006 21:15 (seventeen years ago) link

If you get it too hot, the yogurt will separate and curdle. Also, no more happy bacteria. Unappealing to look at, possible icky texture, probably will still taste okay.

jaq (jaq), Thursday, 30 November 2006 21:17 (seventeen years ago) link

hmm. i ask this because i've eaten a really good hot dish consisting of green beans, yogurt, and garlic, but have no idea how to replicate it. would warming it a bit be ok?

Maria Emily (Maria), Thursday, 30 November 2006 21:19 (seventeen years ago) link

i made chicken in a yogurt sauce a while back and had no problems with curdling, even though inattention on my part led to a brief period of boiling. i think you just have to mix the yogurt up really well before cooking.

Lauren (lauren), Thursday, 30 November 2006 21:22 (seventeen years ago) link

Lauren OTM about mixing the yogurt up beforehand. also, adding it relatively late in the cooking process helps.

horseshoe (horseshoe), Thursday, 30 November 2006 21:23 (seventeen years ago) link

Yeah just heat gently, you're fine.

mcd (mcd), Thursday, 30 November 2006 21:25 (seventeen years ago) link

Looking for recipes for spices/herb seasoning for potato wedges?

Billy Dods (Billy Dods), Thursday, 30 November 2006 21:27 (seventeen years ago) link

You can also mix a little cornstarch with cold water (like 1/2 tsp per cup of yogurt to 1 tsp of cold water), then stir that into the yogurt. Adding it as late as possible into cooking is good, also using whole milk full fat yogurt instead of low or non-fat is best.

jaq (jaq), Thursday, 30 November 2006 21:27 (seventeen years ago) link

Looking for recipes for spices/herb seasoning for potato wedges?

Garlic, rosemary, Parmesan, and a little olive oil to hold it all together. What more is there?

nickn (nickn), Thursday, 30 November 2006 21:47 (seventeen years ago) link

Srsly. Olive oil, sea salt, and minced up rosemary are my stand-bys. Plus you get to make a huge mess globbing the spice rub onto the wedges.

Laurel (Laurel), Thursday, 30 November 2006 21:49 (seventeen years ago) link

torn-up fresh sage leaves are good, too.

Lauren (lauren), Thursday, 30 November 2006 21:51 (seventeen years ago) link

I feel sad now that this is my only seasoning for potatoes, steaks, chops, beans, everything: Lowry's seasoned salt.

Abbott (Abbott), Thursday, 30 November 2006 23:13 (seventeen years ago) link

And don't forget - there's always...
http://ilx.thehold.net/newquestions.php?board=6

Ned T.Rifle (Ned T.Rifle), Friday, 1 December 2006 08:29 (seventeen years ago) link

Does anybody use a garlic press? I find mine really difficult to clean.

Rumps (Rumps), Friday, 1 December 2006 15:05 (seventeen years ago) link

I also do not prefer the garlic press. And chopping garlic isn't that hard.

Hurting (A-Ron Hubbard), Friday, 1 December 2006 15:06 (seventeen years ago) link

accidentally overcooked the yogurt! it tasted fine, just looked less pretty. thanks for all the advice, i will take more of it next time - this ended up being really quick and pretty good, so i'm sure i'll do it again.

my current favorite spice is cumin...my mother hates it, so we rarely had stuff with it at home, and now i am kind of going crazy with it, and would probably put it on potato wedges.

xpost! (no, i just chop garlic)

Maria Emily (Maria), Friday, 1 December 2006 15:09 (seventeen years ago) link

Chopping garlic is so footery, I get more of it up my nails and all over the knife. I guess I just haven't perfected my technique yet.

Rumps (Rumps), Friday, 1 December 2006 15:11 (seventeen years ago) link

No garlic press. Mincing/slicing is just as quick once you count the time picking the little bits out of the press. I usually don't chop it fine anyway, just slice it thin.

Herbed-up potato wedges sounds good -- maybe I'll make some tonight.

I Am Curious (George) (Slight Return) (Rock Hardy), Friday, 1 December 2006 15:16 (seventeen years ago) link

garlic press = useless. presses abt 20% of each clove and anoying to clean.

jhoshea (jhoshea), Friday, 1 December 2006 15:19 (seventeen years ago) link

Garlic presses are evil, they make the garlic taste metallic. Squash the clove with the flat of the blade and then you only need to slice it (thinly).

Madchen (Madchen), Friday, 1 December 2006 15:19 (seventeen years ago) link

I get more of it up my nails and all over the knife.

i'm really new to cooking but proudly i can say OTM to this.

Ste (fuzzy), Friday, 1 December 2006 15:24 (seventeen years ago) link

The up the nails part I don't understand, but as for the knife, you just push the garlic off with another utencil.

Hurting (A-Ron Hubbard), Friday, 1 December 2006 15:26 (seventeen years ago) link

It's sticky!

Rumps (Rumps), Friday, 1 December 2006 15:30 (seventeen years ago) link

feel sad now that this is my only seasoning for potatoes, steaks, chops, beans, everything: Lowry's seasoned salt.

i pretty much use lowry's seasoned salt in place of regular salt now. on almost everything.

otto midnight (otto midnight), Friday, 1 December 2006 15:30 (seventeen years ago) link

what is it seasoned with?

Maria e (Maria), Friday, 1 December 2006 15:31 (seventeen years ago) link

seasoning!


i don't actually know. but there is a lawry's restaurant off michigan ave in chicago (on ohio or huron maybe?) that i went to when i first moved here. the steak was sublime.

otto midnight (otto midnight), Friday, 1 December 2006 15:33 (seventeen years ago) link

It's sticky!

Don't be a sissy, your hands are the best kitchen tools in the world. GET THEM DIRTY, they clean up pretty easily.

I Am Curious (George) (Slight Return) (Rock Hardy), Friday, 1 December 2006 15:34 (seventeen years ago) link

yeah

jhoshea (jhoshea), Friday, 1 December 2006 15:35 (seventeen years ago) link

Hint to get garlic/onion smell off your hands - rub them while wet on something steel (faucet, sink, pan, knife blade if you are careful).

I'd dip potato wedges in lemon and olive oil, then sprinkle with cumin and cayenne.

jaq (jaq), Friday, 1 December 2006 15:36 (seventeen years ago) link

B-b-b-but the knife! When I lift the knife to chop the garlic comes with it. I wish I had a diagram to illustrate this. Seriously, it takes me like five minutes to chop a clove. And I like a lot of garlic.

I bought garlic puree but it's really salty and nothing like the real thing.

Rumps (Rumps), Friday, 1 December 2006 15:37 (seventeen years ago) link

I use the little chopped up garlics from the jar.

Ms Misery (MsMisery), Friday, 1 December 2006 15:38 (seventeen years ago) link

It gets easier with time. When I used to chop onion and garlic it wouldn't all stay together in slices, it'd move away with the knife, and somehow I've gotten better at it. (Okay, it still does that occasionally.) The chopped jar stuff is good too though.

Maria e (Maria), Friday, 1 December 2006 15:40 (seventeen years ago) link

Lazy Garlic? Great invention.

Rumps (Rumps), Friday, 1 December 2006 15:41 (seventeen years ago) link

I use the little chopped up garlics from the jar

and this was my solution too, for now. once i'm up there with the Olivers and Ramsays in terms of efficiency I'll probably go back to good old garlic chopping board activity.

Ste (fuzzy), Friday, 1 December 2006 15:43 (seventeen years ago) link

Another thing I miss about California: different varieties of garlic, with different flavor profiles.

I Am Curious (George) (Slight Return) (Rock Hardy), Friday, 1 December 2006 15:44 (seventeen years ago) link

Quite right, sir. (And chopping garlic is so not a problem.)

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 1 December 2006 16:12 (seventeen years ago) link

Come chop my garlic.

Rumps (Rumps), Friday, 1 December 2006 16:18 (seventeen years ago) link

Rumpy, dumping a pinch of salt on the garlic clove you're chopping will help with the bits-of-garlic-sticking-to-blade thing and the salt will suck up all the yummy garlic juices, too! Just remember that you've then already incorporated some salt into whatever you're cooking; adjust accordingly.

quincie (quincie), Friday, 1 December 2006 16:34 (seventeen years ago) link

Rumpie, I know what you mean about it sticking to the blade, sort of climbing up the far side of it. If the chopped garlic is going into oil, you could coat the side of your knife blade with a little before you start chopping. You'll still have to push some of the chopped bits off the blade, but it won't be as sticky. When I chop up candied ginger/raisins/dates, I cover them with some of the flour from the recipe to make the chopping easier.

jaq (jaq), Friday, 1 December 2006 16:36 (seventeen years ago) link

why not just smash the wedges with the knife edge and chop the shrapnel into bits?

remy bean (bean), Friday, 1 December 2006 16:38 (seventeen years ago) link

Shh, you're giving it away!

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 1 December 2006 16:40 (seventeen years ago) link

I'd pay cash money to watch Rumpy and the Lex try to cook a meal together.

I Am Curious (George) (Slight Return) (Rock Hardy), Friday, 1 December 2006 16:40 (seventeen years ago) link

I know, I know... chopping the clove into ickle cubes supposedly releases more of the flavonoids (?) than crushing or pressing would do. But for ease, quickness, and neatness of description? Whacking, slapping, and smashing are totally the way in my kitchen.

remy bean (bean), Friday, 1 December 2006 16:40 (seventeen years ago) link

if i were to write a cookbook, it would sound like a field triage manual, e.g.: lop the legs and dangly bits off the chicken, shove a finger up under the skin and smear a bunch of spices in the breach, whale on the backbone 'til it snaps, rub the corpse with googshy butter and mashed-up garlic, then throw that bitch somewhere hot for long 'enough to get done .

remy bean (bean), Friday, 1 December 2006 16:46 (seventeen years ago) link

Not so much Joy of Cooking as the joy of something else.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 1 December 2006 17:00 (seventeen years ago) link

SOLUTIONS TO GARLIC PROBLEM IF YOU DO, AS SAID, WANT A LOT OF GARLIC (this is not really "worth it" to just chop up 1-2 cloves, but more than that and/or you are chopping it with other aromatics, this is a cinch): OWN A SMALL-SIZE MINI-PROCESSOR http://www.smartbargains.com/images/product/306022/3060227572_XL.jpg AND PUT SHIT IN THERE AFTER CRUSHING SLIGHTLY, HIT "CHOP" ET VOILA YOU HAVE GARLIC + MYSTERY OTHER ITEMS YOU MIGHT WANT AS YOUR AROMATIC BASE.

this is about 17x easier than garlic press and helps avoid the "whoops cut off my fingernail" or "wow my hands are disgusting" problems inherent with garlic, onions, etc.

Allyzay is cool: with Blue n White, with Eli Manning, with NY Giants (Allyzay Ei, Friday, 1 December 2006 17:01 (seventeen years ago) link

Mind you if you are just doing 1-2 garlics and don't need any other aromatics finely minced than this is a wasteful sham of wasting electricity and truly that is lazy and shameful.

Allyzay is cool: with Blue n White, with Eli Manning, with NY Giants (Allyzay Ei, Friday, 1 December 2006 17:02 (seventeen years ago) link

i love my garlic press. i think the first thing i bought after me and ex divided our assets was an exact replica of the one we had. best $14 i ever spent.

otto midnight (otto midnight), Friday, 1 December 2006 17:03 (seventeen years ago) link

It seems like something complexicated to me, but I think I just enjoy hitting things with knifes.

Allyzay is cool: with Blue n White, with Eli Manning, with NY Giants (Allyzay Ei, Friday, 1 December 2006 17:05 (seventeen years ago) link

otm. but i've just got myself a new immersion blender that comes with a chopping-small-shit attachment i kind of like. yesterday i pulverised a piece of mexican cinnamon just for kicks and made incredibly strong french toast.

remy bean (bean), Friday, 1 December 2006 17:09 (seventeen years ago) link

But then you have to wash the food processor.

I either flatten garlic and mash it with salt using the side of my knife or use my fabulous Microplane™ grater to dissasemble it, since I'm frequently using grating ginger or shallots at the same time.

jlk (joygoat), Friday, 1 December 2006 17:11 (seventeen years ago) link

I just got in the latest organic basket and am anxious to try a squash tomato soup recipe...

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 1 December 2006 17:12 (seventeen years ago) link

Washing food processors is kind of a pain, there are a lot of pieces. I'm interested in an immersion blender, though, and that you just stick into a dish of soapy water, right?

Laurel (Laurel), Friday, 1 December 2006 17:12 (seventeen years ago) link

Washing food processor = put into dishwasher. Admittedly this is a problem for people living in apartments sans dishwashers. Also there are three pieces versus at least two (cutting board + knife) for alternate method.

Immersion blenders are pretty awesome.

Allyzay is cool: with Blue n White, with Eli Manning, with NY Giants (Allyzay Ei, Friday, 1 December 2006 17:19 (seventeen years ago) link

We apparently got purple kale in the box this week - I hope it is still viable when I get home, though I'm not sure yet what I'll do with it. Also, pluots.

Mr. Jaq, who is foreign to me in his not-really-liking-fruit-what- grows-on-trees habits, waxed rhapsodic about a Fuji apple from last week's box o' produce.

I thought the immersion blender was a tricksy gadget until a bunch of squash soup talk. I used it to whip up the roasted yams for Thanksgiving and it was amazing.

jaq (jaq), Friday, 1 December 2006 17:20 (seventeen years ago) link

Immersion blenders are pretty awesome.

I still need to get one -- finally got a real blender, though, that took me long enough.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 1 December 2006 17:21 (seventeen years ago) link

Screw a real blender, get with the 2006!! Making tomato bisque and squash soups and potato soups is like EASIEST THING EVER with the immersion blender. It weirded me out at first because it kind of...suctions to the bottom of the pot when you start it blending stuff? But it's great, and kind of fun too.

Allyzay is cool: with Blue n White, with Eli Manning, with NY Giants (Allyzay Ei, Friday, 1 December 2006 17:23 (seventeen years ago) link

Immersion blenders also come with this whisk attachment which of course is FREAKISHLY HIGH POWERED. A) Good because dressing emulsion and whipped cream take approximately .3789 seconds. B) bad because DRESSING AND CREAM FLY EVERYWHERE for the initial .13945 seconds.

Allyzay is cool: with Blue n White, with Eli Manning, with NY Giants (Allyzay Ei, Friday, 1 December 2006 17:26 (seventeen years ago) link

Screw a real blender, get with the 2006!!

You will pardon me if I would like to have more than one option to hand.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 1 December 2006 17:26 (seventeen years ago) link

Immersion blender>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>trad blender

jaq (jaq), Friday, 1 December 2006 17:30 (seventeen years ago) link

Also, hahahahahaha Ally so OTM on the whipped cream EVERYWHERE!

jaq (jaq), Friday, 1 December 2006 17:31 (seventeen years ago) link

Ned, you can do the exact same things with the immersion blender you can do with a regular blender, it is smaller and decent end models come with wisk + mini food processor attachment, I think buying a real blender nowadays is a bad decision, sorry dude :\ Unless you have room for multiple big items on counter.

The whipped cream everywhere freaked me out SO much the first time I used it, I was certain I did something horribly wrong. Even whisking up the salad dressing in the tall measuring cup they give you to work with the whisk gets kinda squirrelly at first! I got used to it, mainly because delicious dressings with -3 work.

Allyzay is cool: with Blue n White, with Eli Manning, with NY Giants (Allyzay Ei, Friday, 1 December 2006 17:33 (seventeen years ago) link

I dunno if I'm interested in making milkshakes with an immersion blender, Allz. And that's primarily what I used my blender for!

Laurel (Laurel), Friday, 1 December 2006 17:33 (seventeen years ago) link

You can make them right in the glass! It's like those old milkshake machines at the soda fountains.

jaq (jaq), Friday, 1 December 2006 17:35 (seventeen years ago) link

Ally and Jaq, I love you both. At the same time, last I checked immersion blenders were not useful for, say, crushing ice. As for storage, the regular one fits away snugly in one of my cupboards. And I still plan on getting an immersion blender soonish.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 1 December 2006 17:36 (seventeen years ago) link

crushing ice

For this, a ziploc bag and a BIG mallet! Gets all your stresses out in a jiffy!

jaq (jaq), Friday, 1 December 2006 17:38 (seventeen years ago) link

the food processor attachment on an immersion blender does crush ice though obviously on a per drink basis, not an entire pitcher of Spring Break 97.

Or, yeah, just bust it up. I personally don't like ice so this isn't really a concern I've considered at all!

Allyzay is cool: with Blue n White, with Eli Manning, with NY Giants (Allyzay Ei, Friday, 1 December 2006 17:39 (seventeen years ago) link

Then we're all on the same track here! More options rather than less! (Call me flippant but I just tend to believe in having more around to work with, is all; I have spent the last few months slowly but surely building up my kitchen equipment and am continuing to do so as I consider other recipes. Also, quite obviously, we are all working with different personal styles here.)

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 1 December 2006 17:42 (seventeen years ago) link

No, I pretty much think we're on entirely different tracks here dude but it's cool :D

Allyzay is cool: with Blue n White, with Eli Manning, with NY Giants (Allyzay Ei, Friday, 1 December 2006 17:43 (seventeen years ago) link

I personally don't like ice

See, I *love* ice, and I also like making batches of drinks for get-togethers, thus. Etc. etc.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 1 December 2006 17:45 (seventeen years ago) link

I don't have friends who are that into batches of drinks that are full of crushed ice! You need to stop working at a university ;)

Allyzay is cool: with Blue n White, with Eli Manning, with NY Giants (Allyzay Ei, Friday, 1 December 2006 17:47 (seventeen years ago) link

Dude, if someone's making frozen margaritas I am there.

Laurel (Laurel), Friday, 1 December 2006 17:48 (seventeen years ago) link

Immersion blender is now on my list. I've never got round o buying a blender, so if this is nu-wave blender then bring it on.

Rumps (Rumps), Friday, 1 December 2006 17:48 (seventeen years ago) link

no love for frozen margaritas ally?
xpost

Ms Misery (MsMisery), Friday, 1 December 2006 17:49 (seventeen years ago) link

No, I usually prefer them on the rocks! I'll have a frozen one if that seems the best option in a cheapy burrito restaurant and they have funny flavors. But, no, I usually get them on the rocks.

Allyzay is cool: with Blue n White, with Eli Manning, with NY Giants (Allyzay Ei, Friday, 1 December 2006 17:50 (seventeen years ago) link

THANK YOU margarita lovers. I was beginning to wonder if I was alone here.

(The point is slightly moot for me anyway in that I am avoiding alcohol at present due to The Mysterious Digestive Problem which has been troubling me of late, to the point where I had an ultrasound yesterday. They've ruled out a lot of stuff but still aren't too sure what it is, but I never want to have stomach-aches like THOSE again. Horrid.)

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 1 December 2006 17:50 (seventeen years ago) link

chickpeas and tahini will stay the blades of your puny immersion blenders, and make them weep.

i have a big-ass blender and it rules but the immersion blender is key for lots of things, especially for blending half the soup you've been making without a lot of multibowl faff action

Euai Kapaui (tracerhand), Friday, 1 December 2006 18:04 (seventeen years ago) link

Dude, you make hummous in a blender? You people are all nuts, that is what a food processor is for!!

Allyzay is cool: with Blue n White, with Eli Manning, with NY Giants (Allyzay Ei, Friday, 1 December 2006 18:12 (seventeen years ago) link

yeah, i think i've killed about three blenders that way.

Euai Kapaui (tracerhand), Friday, 1 December 2006 18:14 (seventeen years ago) link

Why not go ahead and grind your own beef in a blender.

drunk Friendster massage (nklshs), Friday, 1 December 2006 18:21 (seventeen years ago) link

Mmmm, smoothie tartare.

I Am Curious (George) (Slight Return) (Rock Hardy), Friday, 1 December 2006 18:23 (seventeen years ago) link

Question: how would one make guacamole using a can of pumpkin purée?

Michael Daddino (epicharmus), Friday, 1 December 2006 18:40 (seventeen years ago) link

badly?

otto midnight (otto midnight), Friday, 1 December 2006 18:43 (seventeen years ago) link

I'm sorry Michael, but uuurrrggghhh!

jaq (jaq), Friday, 1 December 2006 18:54 (seventeen years ago) link

the food processor is my favorite piece of kitchen equipment because i found it at a thrift shop, brand new, for $15! it is totally worth the time required to wash it if you have to chop, say, 8 cloves of garlic and five onions. then i just throw it in and i'm like "yeah bitch! chop that!"

no blender at this point though...my roommates tried to steal a chair from some friends and exchange it for a blender because they have multiple ones, but they didn't actually notice that the chair was gone, so that failed horribly.

Maria e (Maria), Friday, 1 December 2006 20:07 (seventeen years ago) link

Hrm ok best I can figure is do this to make a pumpkin "guacamole," you will need this:

pumpkin puree
balsalmic vinegar
tiny bit of kosher salt
cumin
ground allspice or cloves (not really sure which yet, still deciding)
some carmelized sweet onions
dried cranberries (not very sweetened if you can get it)
chopped fresh sage
SOMETHING to substitute for tiny minced garlics--maybe course ground toasted pinenuts?

cranberries substitute for the tomatoes, sage substitutes for the cilantro, balsalmic substitutes for lime. I haven't actually TRIED this, mind you, I just made it up in the past few minutes.

Allyzay is cool: with Blue n White, with Eli Manning, with NY Giants (Allyzay Ei, Friday, 1 December 2006 20:27 (seventeen years ago) link

toasted pinenuts

or pepitos! (roasted pumpkin seeds)

This may have to get made for the potential Seattle ILXmas, along with the beer waffles, which I totally forgot about.

jaq (jaq), Friday, 1 December 2006 20:30 (seventeen years ago) link

oh yeah, pepitos would work, definitely!! Haha I'm planning on trying this now too and hoisting it on DC ILXmas.

Allyzay is cool: with Blue n White, with Eli Manning, with NY Giants (Allyzay Ei, Friday, 1 December 2006 20:31 (seventeen years ago) link

dood I will totally eat that

quincie (quincie), Friday, 1 December 2006 20:38 (seventeen years ago) link

I was thinking about pumpkin mixed up with avocado, which just seemed ugly.

jaq (jaq), Friday, 1 December 2006 20:54 (seventeen years ago) link

Actually it might look kind of good, but I can't bear imagining the taste....

Laurel (Laurel), Friday, 1 December 2006 20:55 (seventeen years ago) link

What on earth would you serve it with though? I'd want something that looks like tortilla chips, but actual tortillas might be kinda manky with this.

Allyzay is cool: with Blue n White, with Eli Manning, with NY Giants (Allyzay Ei, Friday, 1 December 2006 20:56 (seventeen years ago) link

crostini? but they don't look like tortilla chips.

Maybe pita bread triangles, or chips made from flour tortillas.

jaq (jaq), Friday, 1 December 2006 21:02 (seventeen years ago) link

I was thinking maybe pita bread too, toasted up.

Allyzay is cool: with Blue n White, with Eli Manning, with NY Giants (Allyzay Ei, Friday, 1 December 2006 21:03 (seventeen years ago) link

Meantime, over at the crabby Instapundit blog, a welcome diversion in the form of cookware suggestions. Anyone want to chime in on the various recommendations/comments?

Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, 3 December 2006 17:09 (seventeen years ago) link

I got rid of all my non-stick stuff ages ago. Well-seasoned cast iron is the best, imo. If you ruin the non-stick finish, you can reapply it yourself. My current cookware is that, two Le Creuset casseroles which can also be used on top of the stove, and some stainless.

jaq (jaq), Sunday, 3 December 2006 17:14 (seventeen years ago) link

Jaq, can you seriously do fried eggs without breaking yolks (and without using excessive amts. of fat) in your cast iron?

I have W. Puck stainless steel, and 7", 10" and 14" nonstick skillets that live by the Bourdain "never let soap touch them" rule. I'd like to have a Le Creuset casserole, but otherwise I'm pretty well set. I had an All-Clad skillet, but I gave it to Sarah when she went to school.

I Am Curious (George) (Slight Return) (Rock Hardy), Sunday, 3 December 2006 17:30 (seventeen years ago) link

fried eggs without breaking yolks (and without using excessive amts. of fat) in your cast iron

Yep, which surprised me. I kept a small teflon skillet around for years specifically for eggs, then tried making Mr. Jaq's over-mediums in a small cast iron saute pan. Patience is required: to season the pans, to wait for them to heat to temp, to wait for the food to sear/release from the pan surface. Worth it, to me. To Mr. Jaq, not so much, which is why we do still have one small teflon skillet for him to cook eggs in.

jaq (jaq), Sunday, 3 December 2006 17:39 (seventeen years ago) link

I think the smaller Le Creuset pan I have is why the stuffing at Thanksgiving was such a success. Perfect balance of crust crispiness/moist breadiness. That, and perhaps the chopped fennel fronds.

jaq (jaq), Sunday, 3 December 2006 17:50 (seventeen years ago) link

Oh shit this food thread is giving me the lust. Here is the whole of my cooking equipment:

Non-stick fry pan from Family Dollar, warped (Xmas gift from mom)
Two really dull non-serrated knives I've had for 7 years that I got from my mom who'd used them for prolly 10 yrs before
About 48 steak knives (people keep dumping them on me)
One 9x9 baking pan
One aluminum cooking sheet
One stock pot
One mixing bowl
A spatula
A wooden spoon
Measuring cups/teaspoons
An iron

AND THAT IS ALL
I manage to make a lot of really nice things, considering, but it's hard going into even Wal-Mart or somewhere and not dying of cooking stuff covetation. I keep having dreams people are coming to cook at my house and they're all frustrated, "HOw do you even USE this knife?" I also think this comes from watching thee food network before sleep.

Abbott (Abbott), Sunday, 3 December 2006 21:32 (seventeen years ago) link

An iron

Is this for grilled cheese sandwiches?

I Am Curious (George) (Slight Return) (Rock Hardy), Sunday, 3 December 2006 22:13 (seventeen years ago) link

Yes, and blouses. It's sitting next to my kitchen equipment in a giant empty cupboard and crying.

Abbott (Abbott), Sunday, 3 December 2006 22:24 (seventeen years ago) link

http://static.flickr.com/115/313314798_6d84394fc3_m.jpg

jaq (jaq), Sunday, 3 December 2006 22:36 (seventeen years ago) link

^^^^ = sad iron

jaq (jaq), Sunday, 3 December 2006 22:36 (seventeen years ago) link

I'm kind of speechless. Do you want to have decent kitchen gear and just don't know where to start? (Hint: one good knife, or get your 2 old ones professionally sharpened.)

I Am Curious (George) (Slight Return) (Rock Hardy), Sunday, 3 December 2006 22:46 (seventeen years ago) link

Trade approx. 36 steak knives for 1 knife sharpening. Dull knives = misery.

Big advantages of cast iron pans: cheap, so heavy they will never warp, stovetop or oven or both! (I bake biscuits, cornbread, yeast bread in my cast iron skillet because it makes the crust so amazing) If you find a rusty one at a thrift store/yard sale, scrub it with soap, hot water, and steel wool to get rid of the rust, dry it thoroughly, rub lightly (really lightly) all over (inside and out, also handle) with veg oil, crisco, or lard, wipe with paper towel then bake upside-down and empty at 350 deg for 1 hour to season and make usable.

jaq (jaq), Sunday, 3 December 2006 22:55 (seventeen years ago) link

I have no steak knives. We should do some sort of transatlantic trade.

(However, I am REALLY REALLY bad at making steaks not rubbery and nasty. Pretty much anything else cooking-wise I can cope with, I'm pretty good at cooking really, but even the best cuts of steak are just nasty rubbery lumps when I am finished with them. This upsets me greatly. What am I doing wrong? I have a good quality pan, I have tried following all manner of instructions with regard to heat, etc, but, no, chewy rubbery lumps of steak always come out at the end of it. HELP ME! My current answer is: go out if I want to eat steak, but I need to know how to do them right at home)

ailsa_xx (ailsa_xx), Sunday, 3 December 2006 23:12 (seventeen years ago) link

I get consistently good results like this:

for a 1" (2.5 cm) thick steak - Take the meat out of the fridge and let it warm up for about an hour. Heat the pan or grill up on medium high heat for a minimum of 10 minutes. Dry off the meat with paper toweling if it's wet or damp so it doesn't steam. Put 1 steak in the middle of the pan or both on the grill - this is all about surface area, you don't want the pan crowded also the temperature of the pan can drop too much if you cover up too much of the surface with cool meat (this is another reason I'm a cast iron evangelist - those things hold heat for-fucking-ever). Leave the meat for 7 minutes, then turn over and sear for 7 more minutes (medium rare - add 1 minute to each side for medium, subtract 1 for rare). Remove to a warm plate and let rest for at least 5 minutes - this really seems to make a difference in juiciness and flavor.

Today for lunch I had a 1/2" thick dry-aged spencer steak (boneless rib steak with the lip) - cooked for 2 minutes each side and sprinkled with some lavendar sea salt.

jaq (jaq), Sunday, 3 December 2006 23:25 (seventeen years ago) link

Lavender sea salt! Now what kind of freak turned you on to THAT idea? ;-)

Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, 3 December 2006 23:27 (seventeen years ago) link

Direct application of heat without cookware getting in the way is best, but if you don't have a grill or don't want to cook outside during the winter, I think cooking it under the broiler is next best bet. (Gas better than electric, obv.) Lacking a broiler, cast iron + super high heat + short cooking time.

xpost -- Jaq's right on about taking the meat out of the fridge well in advance.

I Am Curious (George) (Slight Return) (Rock Hardy), Sunday, 3 December 2006 23:27 (seventeen years ago) link

I don't want to cook outside ever, I live in the West of Scotland! My kitchen is sadly all electric, but I too am all about the cast-iron, I use one of these:

http://www.wishlist.com.au/images/Products/MI03/skillet-grill-2_L.jpg

I think it's the not-taking-out-of-fridge that's maybe been my downfall. I shall try again sometime soon. Thanks, all!

ailsa_xx (ailsa_xx), Sunday, 3 December 2006 23:36 (seventeen years ago) link

I love grilling over live fire because there's no cookware to be cooled off by the ingredients. I have pretty poor results with stir-fries because my stove just doesn't pump the BTUs. (We're starting to think seriously about a kitchen remodel, and I'm going to have a pro-level wok burner very high on the list.)

I Am Curious (George) (Slight Return) (Rock Hardy), Sunday, 3 December 2006 23:50 (seventeen years ago) link

I have a profound dislike for the broiler. Why have the flame above the meat? Heat goes UP! The laws of thermodynamics do not approve of this cooking method.

And Ned - :) Since I'll be working nights this coming week, I may get to swing by Avanti during the afternoon for more soup etc.

jaq (jaq), Sunday, 3 December 2006 23:57 (seventeen years ago) link

The laws of thermodynamics do not approve of this cooking method.

I know what you mean, but it's nice to have available when there's an inch of ice on the back deck and the grill. Also, I've some fantastic flank steaks from under the fire.

I Am Curious (George) (Slight Return) (Rock Hardy), Monday, 4 December 2006 00:03 (seventeen years ago) link

I've also found slightly undercooking yr steak and then resting it on a plate wrapped up in foil for 5 mins before eating really helps.

As for the garlic chopping debate upthread: people, mortar and pestle! Chopping if you're just making spagetti sauce or something, but for things like say, garlic puree for a salad dressing, the mortar's the go. Bit of oil and salt and it's reduced to a paste. Also fun to bash at if in crankx0r mood.

Trayce (trayce), Monday, 4 December 2006 00:06 (seventeen years ago) link

Last night for eg I took a cue from Jamie Oliver and smashed up garlic rosemary and oil in the mortar, and smeared the resulting paste all over lamb chops. OMGYUM. But next time, lamb cutlets. Chops too gristly :(

Trayce (trayce), Monday, 4 December 2006 00:07 (seventeen years ago) link

Bit of oil and salt and it's reduced to a paste.

aka "garlic snot"

I Am Curious (George) (Slight Return) (Rock Hardy), Monday, 4 December 2006 00:10 (seventeen years ago) link

just got a cast-iron pan myself yesterday!

i am psyched... but for some reason i am not using it for dinner tonight... don't know what i was thinking.

hank s1ockli (hanks1ockli), Monday, 4 December 2006 00:16 (seventeen years ago) link

I'd love one but I have such weak wrists, arent they mighty heavy?

Trayce (trayce), Monday, 4 December 2006 00:17 (seventeen years ago) link

Heavy as all get out. I've got a 14" monster skillet that requires 2 hands and has a short handle opposite the long one to make hefting the thing possible. Also a 20" dia pizza pan/griddle. Another plus though - they make solid weapons.

For inspiration.

jaq (jaq), Monday, 4 December 2006 00:29 (seventeen years ago) link

I'm kind of speechless. Do you want to have decent kitchen gear and just don't know where to start? (Hint: one good knife, or get your 2 old ones professionally sharpened.)

No, I am just a lonely girl w/no $$$ and Kitchen-Aids are kind of hard to sneak out of a store under a trenchcoat. HOWEVER, the knife-sharpening is a good idea. I don't think I've ever even used a properly sharp knife. My mom would flip out if my dad sharpened her knives on the wetstone because then she would use the same amount of dull-knife pressure and chop bits of her finger off. :( This happened maybe twice as I grew up and it lead to almost divorce-level fights.

Abbott (Abbott), Monday, 4 December 2006 04:40 (seventeen years ago) link

I manage to make a lot of really nice things, considering

Abbott, except for a saucepan and maybe a dutch oven, you've got lots of the basics and things that can be multipurpose (ex. mixing bowl + folded towel + stock pot = double boiler depending on size of mixing bowl). Lots and lots of kitchen stuff, especially gadgets, doesn't always make a happy cook. Good quality basics are the place to start.

First off, get your knives sharpened, if they are sharpenable. If they aren't, put a mid-range name-brand 6" chef's knife (Wustuf or Henckels, that kind of thing) on your Xmas list. Once you've got a good sharp knife, try to keep it that way. Get a polypro or wood (but not bamboo - I think they are way too hard) cutting board, don't cut on glass boards or your countertops (unless they are butcher block) or plates or marble - those things will smush and dull the edge of your knife. Keep your knife in a cardboard sleeve or a plastic knife safe - don't just toss it in the utensil or silverware drawer. Wash the blade by hand after you use it and dry it off right away.

Here's a good knife skills tutorial, though I wish I could find the one Paul Eater linked to over on old-ILCooking. Especially look at the photo under knife grips and fulcrum placement - it was a revelation to me to find that holding the knife by the handle only was a problem. It makes such a difference to have your first finger and thumb on either side of the blade (though the wide edge of the blade will build up a callous at the base of your index finger). I'd been doing it totally wrong for 40 years, no wonder I've got scars from the knife slipping.

Once you've got a good knife, you could start thinking about upgrading your pans and such. If there's a Ross or T J Maxx in your shopping range, check out their kitchen stuff. There's usually some good quality stuff in there, maybe in a horrid color or something, but at 70% off maybe you can live with it for awhile.

I won't tell you a Kitchen-Aid isn't a great thing to have, because they are totally wonderful especially if you bake. Amazon has them re-conditioned occasionally, but they are still a big ticket item. But an immersion blender (don't make that face Ned!) can do quite a few of the same tasks (whip cream, eggwhites, mayo, mash potatoes and yams, mix cake and pancake batters) and some of the tasks of a food processor, for a lot less $.

jaq (jaq), Monday, 4 December 2006 06:27 (seventeen years ago) link

Ailsa, for steak knives get down to TK Maxx sharpish (geddit?)

I saw six Laguiole knives for a fiver last weekend. Not the best quality ones, but they're still great and you couldn't get them in France that cheap. I ended up paying a tenner for some because I preferred the colour of their handles.

Madchen (Madchen), Monday, 4 December 2006 10:42 (seventeen years ago) link

ailsa, echoing and condensing the mainly good advice upthread i think the main thing is 1) don't cook it very long and 2) cook it on a very VERY hot pan. like you'd-better-take-the-battery-out-of-your-smoke-alarm hot. also put some salt on it first. the quick heat "sears" in the juice. don't cook it for more than 10 minutes max. then when it's done, RESIST THE URGE to cut into it and see how done it is. the juices will all come out! you have to let it rest for like 10 minutes.

to make it more strangely flavorful you can invent whatever weird-ass marinades you fancy and let it rest in that for hours beforehand.

Euai Kapaui (tracerhand), Monday, 4 December 2006 10:53 (seventeen years ago) link

I think contact heat is very important for steaks, weather it is bars of a barbecue, the ridges on a cast iron griddle or the flat of a very hot frying pan (least favoured option). The room temperature start is important although if you like a very rare steak, with a good browning on the outside, skip this bit. I find my broiler/grill never really gets hot enough and tends to dry the meat somewhat (spending on fat content). I always start my steak cooking by standing the steaks fat side down on the griddle, basically pushed back together into their joint so that I can have a rare steak with crispy fat. Buying the steaks as a joint and doing this before slicing is obviously the best way of going about it.

I am very keen to try the super reverential heston blumenthal method. He takes the well hung rib of beef (two ribs), Blowtorches the outside for crispiness then he heatsoaks it in the oven at 50?C for 24 hours. then he cuts the steaks and does them on hot cast iron.

Ed (dali), Monday, 4 December 2006 10:54 (seventeen years ago) link

For any of you living on the Big Rainy Island, Amazon.co.uk are doing a pretty good deal on a basic Le Creuset blue set right now. No good to me, as I have the pieces and the postage would be stupid. I love my le Creuset.

Just to do a tiny bit of complaining about my housemates, but they've been living with us for the last year, and if I catch them taking a metal spoon to my le Creuset once more, I'm going to kick the fuck out of them. I had to throw out the two metal whisk we had and replace them with the le Creuset one just to stop them from scraping up my pans.

And one of them has broken the tip off one of my Sabatier knives. Fucking dicks. Those knives were a very expensive wedding present.

accentmonkey (accentmonkey), Monday, 4 December 2006 12:35 (seventeen years ago) link

damn. i'm all about avoiding confrontation, but in that situation i'd be SCREAMING for reimbursement.

Lauren (lauren), Monday, 4 December 2006 14:54 (seventeen years ago) link

I would never have bought expensive kitchen items when I was in a shared house. I once caught a housemate fixing his bike with one of my table knives - he bent the handle right backwards and thought nothing of it.

Madchen (Madchen), Monday, 4 December 2006 14:57 (seventeen years ago) link

My mom would flip out if my dad sharpened her knives on the wetstone because then she would use the same amount of dull-knife pressure and chop bits of her finger off. :(

Haha, we used to have to warn people in our kitchen that all the knives were sharpened regularly, because visitors would cut themselves all the time. My dad's a little nuts about peak efficiency and things being done RIGHT, though. I could a sharpening stone, me self.

I settled for food service-quality paring knifes that are basically just inexpensive workhorses, but I did get a serious 8" chef's knife for Christmas a while back and I try to use it for everything.

Laurel (Laurel), Monday, 4 December 2006 15:06 (seventeen years ago) link


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