Word is shooting around online at top speed.
― Ned Raggett, Friday, 16 December 2011 04:54 (twelve years ago) link
Confirmation via Vanity Fair Twitter.
― Ned Raggett, Friday, 16 December 2011 04:57 (twelve years ago) link
Slideshow up on main site.
― Ned Raggett, Friday, 16 December 2011 04:58 (twelve years ago) link
man for some reason I thought this was gonna be like steve jobs and he was gonna be around for a long time
rip
― iatee, Friday, 16 December 2011 04:59 (twelve years ago) link
scorpions
― Cooper Chucklebutt, Friday, 16 December 2011 04:59 (twelve years ago) link
a fine lush and sometimes good writer rip
― t. silaviver, Friday, 16 December 2011 04:59 (twelve years ago) link
Oh damn. I mean not a suprise I suppose but still wasnt expecting it :(
― Leave town with an orange, and pretend you're laughing at it. (Trayce), Friday, 16 December 2011 05:01 (twelve years ago) link
VF piece now live
― Ned Raggett, Friday, 16 December 2011 05:01 (twelve years ago) link
aaaand i think its just killed their website :/
― Leave town with an orange, and pretend you're laughing at it. (Trayce), Friday, 16 December 2011 05:04 (twelve years ago) link
David Folkenflik via NPR
― Ned Raggett, Friday, 16 December 2011 05:05 (twelve years ago) link
http://fullcomment.nationalpost.com/2011/09/17/christopher-hitchens-women-just-arent-that-funny
― Cooper Chucklebutt, Friday, 16 December 2011 05:13 (twelve years ago) link
Selections from an interview with Dawkins for the New Statesman that's about to run.
― Ned Raggett, Friday, 16 December 2011 05:14 (twelve years ago) link
http://www.weeklystandard.com/Content/Public/Articles/000/000/005/995phqjw.asp
― Cooper Chucklebutt, Friday, 16 December 2011 05:22 (twelve years ago) link
having dug up some samples of misogyny and war mongering not sure what piece to post to demonstrate his expertise at character assassination since theres like all of them to choose from
― Cooper Chucklebutt, Friday, 16 December 2011 05:27 (twelve years ago) link
journalists are being v strange on twitter, excellent unfollow opportunity
― Cooper Chucklebutt, Friday, 16 December 2011 05:41 (twelve years ago) link
That's because a lot of them wish they were as famous as he and had as much to drink as well.
― Ned Raggett, Friday, 16 December 2011 05:42 (twelve years ago) link
true
― Cooper Chucklebutt, Friday, 16 December 2011 05:44 (twelve years ago) link
http://i40.tinypic.com/51vfbo.jpg
― wow gould (step hen faps), Friday, 16 December 2011 06:27 (twelve years ago) link
RIP.
― toby, Friday, 16 December 2011 06:29 (twelve years ago) link
Was going to ask if he was the most famous person to be openly alcoholic, but presumably there are a load of musicians.
he had good zings
― Matt Armstrong, Friday, 16 December 2011 06:31 (twelve years ago) link
I liked his mother theresa book
― good webinar (ha ha I'm having a fantasy), Friday, 16 December 2011 06:33 (twelve years ago) link
I really admired some of his death penalty articles.
― Matt Armstrong, Friday, 16 December 2011 06:39 (twelve years ago) link
do not link to national post
― oPal, Friday, 16 December 2011 06:53 (twelve years ago) link
― Matt Armstrong, Friday, 16 December 2011 02:31 (24 minutes ago) Bookmark Permalink
― wil smif, Friday, 16 December 2011 06:57 (twelve years ago) link
oh damn why couldn't it have been peter?
― degas-dirty monet (lex pretend), Friday, 16 December 2011 08:00 (twelve years ago) link
like most writers who say what needs to be said he said a bunch of stuff that didn't need to be said but it came with the territory. sleep well you brilliant, angry shit-stirrer.
― Angles that bitch (Julie Lagger), Friday, 16 December 2011 08:32 (twelve years ago) link
^^ i f/w with this epitath
― wil smif, Friday, 16 December 2011 08:43 (twelve years ago) link
^Thirded. RIP Hitch :'(
― Derek Pringles (Deep in the Tony Hart land), Friday, 16 December 2011 09:29 (twelve years ago) link
RIP and ty
never met hitch but we both wrote for the same ny tabloid for awhile in the late 80s. not trying to exalt myself rather i'd like to claim him as mentor of sorts, his weekly book review column became a touchstone for me. an instructive example of how much can be accomplished in just 500 or 750 words. quite a bit, in his case.
― the deli llama, Friday, 16 December 2011 10:29 (twelve years ago) link
http://i.imgur.com/Up2xH.jpg
― schalke nult fear (nakhchivan), Friday, 16 December 2011 13:08 (twelve years ago) link
One of those writers who were part of the environment – I took him for granted. An incalculable influence on my thinking and writing over the years. I saw no reason to take it personally when we disagreed more often than not the last ten years.
― Lord Sotosyn, Friday, 16 December 2011 13:32 (twelve years ago) link
for those keeping track, below the fold
http://26.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lwa8osRq9P1qz6z0no1_500.jpg
― max max max max, Friday, 16 December 2011 13:39 (twelve years ago) link
Sullivan shares an anecdote:
I'd asked him last year to write a letter to the Immigration Services sponsoring me to finally become a permanent resident of the United States. Who better than my fellow Englishman immigrant of the last twenty-five years? A while later, he emailed:"Safely in the US mail. I managed to say that your faith had allowed you to extend a warm hand to so many of your fellow men, and then remolded that bit to make it sound a touch less close to the heart's desire. Brunch? Sunday? Smooch Hitch"I responded,"lol. many many many thanks. an honor. brunch sounds great. we tend not to be conscious till around noon, tho. xx a" He replied:"Dearest Andrew I always think of Sunday lunch as beginning at about 2.30 ("a lavish and ruminative feast", as Waugh says about elevenses). Want to come here?"Yes, I do, Hitch. Yes, I do.
"Safely in the US mail. I managed to say that your faith had allowed you to extend a warm hand to so many of your fellow men, and then remolded that bit to make it sound a touch less close to the heart's desire.
Brunch? Sunday? Smooch Hitch"
I responded,
"lol. many many many thanks. an honor. brunch sounds great. we tend not to be conscious till around noon, tho. xx a"
He replied:
"Dearest Andrew I always think of Sunday lunch as beginning at about 2.30 ("a lavish and ruminative feast", as Waugh says about elevenses). Want to come here?"
Yes, I do, Hitch. Yes, I do.
― Ned Raggett, Friday, 16 December 2011 13:43 (twelve years ago) link
That "lol" must have advanced the crawl of Hitch's cancer.
― Lord Sotosyn, Friday, 16 December 2011 13:44 (twelve years ago) link
Yeah the difference in casual email tone does say it all.
Frum:
A friend of theirs once took Christopher Hitchens and his wife Carol Blue to dinner at Palm Beach’s Everglades Club, notorious for its exclusion of Jews.“You will behave, won’t you?” Carol anxiously asked Christopher on the way into the club. No dice. When the headwaiter approached, Christopher demanded: “Do you have a kosher menu?”
“You will behave, won’t you?” Carol anxiously asked Christopher on the way into the club. No dice. When the headwaiter approached, Christopher demanded: “Do you have a kosher menu?”
― Ned Raggett, Friday, 16 December 2011 13:46 (twelve years ago) link
Also from that:
On one of the last occasions I saw him, my wife and I came to drop some food–lamb tagine–to sustain a family with more on its mind than cooking. Christopher, though weary and sick, insisted on painfully lifting himself from his chair to perform the rites of hospitality. He might have cancer, but we were still guests–and as guests, we must have champagne.
Hell the whole piece is one anecdote after another. I'll stop with this one:
Hitchens was not one of those romantics who fetishized “dialogue.” Far from suffering fools gladly, he delighted in making fools suffer. When he heard that another friend, a professor, had a habit of seducing female students in his writing seminars, he shook his head pityingly. “It’s not worth it. Afterward, you have to read their short stories.”
― Ned Raggett, Friday, 16 December 2011 13:48 (twelve years ago) link
That Frum obit is the best I've read so far.
― Lord Sotosyn, Friday, 16 December 2011 13:52 (twelve years ago) link
Yeah, just finished it. Definitely the keeper at this point.
― Ned Raggett, Friday, 16 December 2011 13:52 (twelve years ago) link
really really sad news.
― Mordy, Friday, 16 December 2011 14:10 (twelve years ago) link
I remember when this appearance inspired a lot of friends who'd never read him to give him a look:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PrFgX83OsEY
― Lord Sotosyn, Friday, 16 December 2011 14:20 (twelve years ago) link
rip. dude was a fucking gangsta
― adam, Friday, 16 December 2011 14:41 (twelve years ago) link
by which i mean with hitch basically goes the entire tradition of public intellectualism
― adam, Friday, 16 December 2011 14:42 (twelve years ago) link
how come DOOM or Ghostface never asked him to appear on a record
― Lord Sotosyn, Friday, 16 December 2011 14:50 (twelve years ago) link
Perrin knew him quite well in the late '80s and '90s -- he was his "hero" at the time -- and the last 3/4 of this piece is pretty amusing:
http://redstateson.blogspot.com/2006/10/our-reflection-darkly.html
― Dr Morbius, Friday, 16 December 2011 14:59 (twelve years ago) link
obv I loved his work for the Voice and the Nation before he lost his marbles. And I hope God is merciful to him.
― Dr Morbius, Friday, 16 December 2011 15:11 (twelve years ago) link
And I hope God is merciful to him.
eh, fuck that. RIP, in the ground.
― ledge, Friday, 16 December 2011 15:14 (twelve years ago) link
Perrin's Hitchens obit... from 2003:
http://www.citypages.com/2003-07-09/news/obit-for-a-former-contrarian/
― Dr Morbius, Friday, 16 December 2011 15:20 (twelve years ago) link
The man was so prolific that you can, if you wish, ignore the polemics and concentrate on the essays on literature. Unacknowledged Legislation is his best collection.
― Lord Sotosyn, Friday, 16 December 2011 15:34 (twelve years ago) link
don't think this piece answers the ¿Quien es mas Macho? question quite as Perrin intended
― Brad C., Friday, 16 December 2011 15:49 (twelve years ago) link
i think this is certainly a huge blow to the kind of foreign affairs intellectualism that Hitchens championed. he really made the most eloquent arguments for what could broadly be called a sort of post-neoconservatisim (lol), amid a larger group of polemicists who were neither as smart, ethical or interesting as him. thinking that i would never read another new piece by him again i felt so saddened and gripped by a great sense of loss.
― Mordy, Friday, 16 December 2011 16:13 (twelve years ago) link
I rather see what machismo is in Perrin (and he certainly cops to some, in a post-bullied Irish kid way) being rather more self-aware. xp
Hard to believe CH was so right-on as little as 12 years ago in analyzing what a horrible piece of shit Bill Clinton is.
― Dr Morbius, Friday, 16 December 2011 16:14 (twelve years ago) link
he thought p much everyone was a horrible piece of shit tho
― Cooper Chucklebutt, Friday, 16 December 2011 16:16 (twelve years ago) link
no, just most Important People
― Dr Morbius, Friday, 16 December 2011 16:17 (twelve years ago) link
lol no
― Cooper Chucklebutt, Friday, 16 December 2011 16:18 (twelve years ago) link
― Cooper Chucklebutt, Friday, December 16, 2011 10:16 AM (9 minutes ago)
If you read any of the personal remininiscences posted and linked above, you'll see that isn't so.
― William (C), Friday, 16 December 2011 16:28 (twelve years ago) link
I'd wager that we'll be reading Hitchens on Byron, Powell, Waugh, Kipling, Wilde, Daniel Deronda, to choose a few, long after the political essays have gone on the shelf.
― Lord Sotosyn, Friday, 16 December 2011 16:30 (twelve years ago) link
RIP HITCHENS you weren't afraid to TELL THE TRUTH about ANYTHING. A true hero!
― billy goat, Friday, 16 December 2011 16:33 (twelve years ago) link
I only know of this guy as a nü-atheist with a penchant for annoying people even more than Dawkins does. Have never "read him" so I guess my conception is off.
― silby, Friday, 16 December 2011 16:36 (twelve years ago) link
xp kinda insane to tell an atheist to RIP also
lol billy
― one pug (dealwithit.gif), Friday, 16 December 2011 16:37 (twelve years ago) link
Jacob Weisberg:
Amazing about Hitchens: his generosity to young people. He sought them out and befriended them. He responded when they called with requests to speak at their college, contribute to a symposium, or stand with any oppressed minority. He hated to say no to anything worthwhile, and cared less about getting paid than anyone I've ever known. After doing unaccountable favors for unimportant people, he named them comrades, which meant welcoming them into his circle of solidarity and acting as if they belonged in his home, with cocktails.
― Lord Sotosyn, Friday, 16 December 2011 16:37 (twelve years ago) link
His atheism, which he always seemed to think was very important, always seemed like the least interesting about him. I read 'God is Not Great' and enjoyed it (and it even gave me some of the language I needed at the time to sort through my own feelings about religion) but it was so much of a lesser work than his other writings. Just fundamentally shallow + sad.
― Mordy, Friday, 16 December 2011 16:41 (twelve years ago) link
dude was funny, but I didn't agree with him much. rhetorical skills were first-rate.
― aesthetic partisan (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 16 December 2011 16:42 (twelve years ago) link
uncountable favors for the unimportant graduates of elite universities
― Cooper Chucklebutt, Friday, 16 December 2011 16:42 (twelve years ago) link
he got college kids drunk--awesome!
― flexidisc, Friday, 16 December 2011 16:43 (twelve years ago) link
"my first sanctimonious opinion" for kids to young to have lived through bill hicks
― one pug (dealwithit.gif), Friday, 16 December 2011 16:57 (twelve years ago) link
otm http://coreyrobin.com/2011/12/16/christopher-hitchens-the-most-provincial-spirit-of-all
― Cooper Chucklebutt, Friday, 16 December 2011 17:00 (twelve years ago) link
RIP, Opinionator.
― Aimless, Friday, 16 December 2011 17:10 (twelve years ago) link
BigBossOgg : 12/16/11 11:10
Yes, he is certainly in for a surprise, but I wouldn't go so far as to call it glorious.
In fact, I am betting my immortal soul on the probability that he's begging for a chance for just one moment, to warn his brother, warn his friends back here in the realm of the living, of the horrors awaiting non-believers.
― Lord Sotosyn, Friday, 16 December 2011 17:39 (twelve years ago) link
Spending eternity in heaven with someone called BigBossOgg sounds like hell to me, so.
― Ned Raggett, Friday, 16 December 2011 17:43 (twelve years ago) link
c'mon, you could spend all of eternity chasing those goldurned Duke boys thru the swamp
― OH NOES, Friday, 16 December 2011 17:45 (twelve years ago) link
till they crossed county lines
― silby, Friday, 16 December 2011 17:46 (twelve years ago) link
which is apparently some sort of force field
The glee among believers in eternal damnation was utterly predictable here. Now they get to let their imaginations run wild devising gory punishments for Hitchens, for daring to question what they imagine to be true.
― Aimless, Friday, 16 December 2011 17:59 (twelve years ago) link
foster the sheeple
― one pug (dealwithit.gif), Friday, 16 December 2011 18:00 (twelve years ago) link
lol
― schalke nult fear (nakhchivan), Friday, 16 December 2011 18:10 (twelve years ago) link
― OH NOES, Friday, December 16, 2011 12:45 PM (26 minutes ago) Bookmark Permalink
i believe you mean the uke boys
― max max max max, Friday, 16 December 2011 18:13 (twelve years ago) link
hahah I did almost write that
― OH NOES, Friday, 16 December 2011 18:14 (twelve years ago) link
Well I wondered what the other Hitchens was going to say:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-2075133/Christopher-Hitchens-death-In-Memoriam-courageous-sibling-Peter-Hitchens.html
― Ned Raggett, Friday, 16 December 2011 18:54 (twelve years ago) link
ding dong the hitch is dead
― HOOS aka driver of steen, Friday, 16 December 2011 19:24 (twelve years ago) link
A letter from Sully's blog:
I've been reading and enjoying your work for years, but I've never felt compelled to write until now. I know you'll get a million of these, but here's my Hitch story:
I once went to hear Hitchens speak in San Francisco. Afterward, he was signing books. I was broke and didn't have enough money for a book, but I got in line just to thank him for his articles denouncing Kissinger, which meant a lot to me and my parents, who were both deeply affected by the Vietnam War. I told him all this. He listened - he seemed as good at listening as speaking - and he asked me all kinds of questions. We talked for a bit, and finally he asked if he could sign something. I told him I didn't have enough money for a book. Without hesitating, he pulled one off the pile, asked for my parents' names, and inscribed the book to them. One of the best moments of my life. I loved the man. He's left the world to a bunch of fucking lightweights, but we have to try our best.
― Lord Sotosyn, Friday, 16 December 2011 19:39 (twelve years ago) link
Similar to my experience.
One of the best moments of my life.
:( :( :(
― Cooper Chucklebutt, Friday, 16 December 2011 19:41 (twelve years ago) link
Yeah, why couldn't that person have had a better life.
― William (C), Friday, 16 December 2011 19:42 (twelve years ago) link
seriously
― nuhnuhnuh, Friday, 16 December 2011 19:44 (twelve years ago) link
must be all the fucking lightweights
― nuhnuhnuh, Friday, 16 December 2011 19:45 (twelve years ago) link
Looking back, I realize now I should have fucked more lightweights.
― Aimless, Friday, 16 December 2011 19:52 (twelve years ago) link
Perrin has a new piece up:
http://dennisperrin.blogspot.com/2011/12/letter-to-lost-friend.html
― Ned Raggett, Friday, 16 December 2011 19:55 (twelve years ago) link
We then went to HBO Studios where you were to debate John Podhoretz on Comedy Central. It was a live show. You said "fuck" several times. Moderator Al Franken told you to stop. You replied, "I thought I was allowed to say whatever the fuck I wanted!" The segment ended early.
― Ned Raggett, Friday, 16 December 2011 19:56 (twelve years ago) link
lol ned p sure perrin is just some guy morbs made up
― Cooper Chucklebutt, Friday, 16 December 2011 19:56 (twelve years ago) link
We are all Dennis Perrin.
― Ned Raggett, Friday, 16 December 2011 19:57 (twelve years ago) link
its full of stars
― Cooper Chucklebutt, Friday, 16 December 2011 19:59 (twelve years ago) link
I'm not DP but we have the same initials
― OH NOES, Friday, 16 December 2011 19:59 (twelve years ago) link
hitch taught us how politics could be rocknroll
― schalke nult fear (nakhchivan), Friday, 16 December 2011 19:59 (twelve years ago) link
who will teach us how politics can be rickroll
― OH NOES, Friday, 16 December 2011 20:00 (twelve years ago) link
Obama
― aesthetic partisan (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 16 December 2011 20:01 (twelve years ago) link
"Never Gonna Lock You Up"
― Ned Raggett, Friday, 16 December 2011 20:02 (twelve years ago) link
i remember one july afternoon at a convention center in san antonio the louche figure of hitch was draped over a sedan wth two vassar girls, smoking rollups and downing a magnum of pol roger
a hieratic silence prevailed
'never let the islamo-nazis win', he intoned to the assembled press corps
everyone cheered
hitch was inspirational like that
― schalke nult fear (nakhchivan), Friday, 16 December 2011 20:07 (twelve years ago) link
http://www.thedialecticalplaya.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/03/Hitchens1.jpg
― Lord Sotosyn, Friday, 16 December 2011 20:10 (twelve years ago) link
sweet christ
― HOOS aka driver of steen, Friday, 16 December 2011 20:11 (twelve years ago) link
mine eyes
― Cooper Chucklebutt, Friday, 16 December 2011 20:35 (twelve years ago) link
paging dom
― one pug (dealwithit.gif), Friday, 16 December 2011 21:17 (twelve years ago) link
You guys never read his VF piece on his makeover?
― Lord Sotosyn, Friday, 16 December 2011 21:42 (twelve years ago) link
Died the day the Iraq War ended, his work complete I guess...
― aesthetic partisan (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 16 December 2011 23:45 (twelve years ago) link
― Cooper Chucklebutt, Friday, December 16, 2011 11:00 AM (6 hours ago) Bookmark
"Only a writer of Hitchens’s talents could do justice to the culture that now so shamefully mourns him."
what sanctimonious garbage
― river wolf, Friday, 16 December 2011 23:50 (twelve years ago) link
eh supporting the Iraq War is pretty unforgiveable imho
― aesthetic partisan (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 16 December 2011 23:55 (twelve years ago) link
dont be so sanctimonious abt this war that killed hundreds of thousands of people guy jeez
― Cooper Chucklebutt, Saturday, 17 December 2011 00:28 (twelve years ago) link
He contained multitudes. Righteous truthsayer, imperial asshole.
― Dr Morbius, Saturday, 17 December 2011 00:31 (twelve years ago) link
no i meant dont be so sanctimonious about ppl expressing (possibly conflicted!) regret about the passing of an interesting and forceful personality
― river wolf, Saturday, 17 December 2011 00:32 (twelve years ago) link
let me do the next part for you:
"did u kno hitler was an interesting and forceful personality mmmmmm ~think about it~"
― river wolf, Saturday, 17 December 2011 00:33 (twelve years ago) link
"a bunch of people got bombed by people that weren't this sad drunk blowhard oh well its sad, he was a alcoholic"
― river wolf, Saturday, 17 December 2011 00:34 (twelve years ago) link
christopher hitchens was a total asshole!
― Cooper Chucklebutt, Saturday, 17 December 2011 00:35 (twelve years ago) link
dont use apologetic words like 'forceful' i mean be serious
― Dr Morbius, Friday, December 16, 2011 5:31 PM (43 seconds ago) Bookmark Permalink
... an unforgettable journey along Dr Morbius's chode
― nuhnuhnuh, Saturday, 17 December 2011 00:36 (twelve years ago) link
being an asshole is fun sometimes (i'm sure you've noticed I enjoy it occasionally) but defending The New American Century is another story.
― Dr Morbius, Saturday, 17 December 2011 00:37 (twelve years ago) link
i meant 'sanctimonious' in a p literal way, dudes
― river wolf, Saturday, 17 December 2011 00:40 (twelve years ago) link
being an entertaining asshole = forgiveable, even admirable under certain circumstances
joyously advocating and celebrating warfare = gtfo you monster
― aesthetic partisan (Shakey Mo Collier), Saturday, 17 December 2011 00:41 (twelve years ago) link
lol he was a movement atheist too
― Cooper Chucklebutt, Saturday, 17 December 2011 00:42 (twelve years ago) link
that is: yes the dude was an asshole and on the wrong side of history on at least several issues, but that blogue post you posted was redlining the sanctimonitron imo
― river wolf, Saturday, 17 December 2011 00:42 (twelve years ago) link
man deal w/it guy deserves sanctimony all over his gravesite
― Cooper Chucklebutt, Saturday, 17 December 2011 00:43 (twelve years ago) link
I read the Trial of Henry Kissinger not long out of college, while I was staying at friend's house. I couldn't sleep, so I pulled it off the bookshelf and sat at his kitchen table and started reading. My friend walked in to get breakfast the next morning, and I was still there, just finishing the book. He said "Holy shit you've been reading that the whole time?" and I was all "YES AND SOMETHING HAS TO BE DONE ABOUT FUCKING KISSINGER." I'll never forget that.
Hitch was almost 100% of why I subscribed to Vanity Fair. I had a hard time with the pro-Bush stuff, hell, I had hard time with half the stuff he wrote in the last 10 years. But at the same time, he was what convinced me to read and love Joyce. He sent me back to re-read Byron. Got me to read Wodehouse, for god's sake. And in general, he helped me appreciate the craft of actual rhetoric, and language...and even when he depressed the hell out of me, his turns of phrase were still often sheer gloriousness.
I'm going to miss that drunk fucker. So much.
― VegemiteGrrrl, Saturday, 17 December 2011 04:14 (twelve years ago) link
ice - hitchens was an early and important figure in the history of trolls so by trolling his rip thread you are really just paying tribute to the man's legacy
― iatee, Saturday, 17 December 2011 04:15 (twelve years ago) link
Let's not forget that even in the last 10 years he's been otm on politics some of the time, like his (demonstrative!) stance against waterboarding.
― Simon H., Saturday, 17 December 2011 04:43 (twelve years ago) link
ha, i saw some old clip today of him on hannity pissing all over falwell after his death and i totally thought about how he was an A+ trollxp
― t. silaviver, Saturday, 17 December 2011 04:56 (twelve years ago) link
― iatee, Friday, December 16, 2011 11:15 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Permalink
duh i mean just duh
― Cooper Chucklebutt, Saturday, 17 December 2011 07:44 (twelve years ago) link
Greenwald compares the whitewashing of Hitch's corpse to Reagan's, and quotes Orwell to spank CH's bloodthirsty war cries.
Orwell:
The people who write that kind of stuff never fight; possibly they believe that to write it is a substitute for fighting. It is the same in all wars; the soldiers do the fighting, the journalists do the shouting, and no true patriot ever gets near a front-line trench, except on the briefest of propaganda-tours. Sometimes it is a comfort to me to think that the aeroplane is altering the conditions of war. Perhaps when the next great war comes we may see that sight unprecedented in all history, a jingo with a bullet-hole in him.
Greenwald:
There seems to be this sense that his excellent facility with prose excuses his sins. Part of that is the by-product of America’s refusal to come to terms with just how heinous and destructive was the attack on Iraq. That act of aggression is still viewed as a mere run-of-the-mill “mistake” — hey, we all make them, so we shouldn’t hold it against Hitch – rather than what it is: the generation’s worst political crime, one for which he remained fully unrepentant and even proud. But what these paeans to Hitchens reflect even more so is the warped values of our political and media culture: once someone is sufficiently embedded within that circle, they are intrinsically worthy of admiration and respect, no matter what it is that they actually do
http://www.salon.com/2011/12/17/christohper_hitchens_and_the_protocol_for_public_figure_deaths/singleton/
― Dr Morbius, Saturday, 17 December 2011 16:28 (twelve years ago) link
The comparison is facile at best, and most of the obituaries I read yesterday were perfectly capable of explaining two contradictory impulses: that Hitchens was an excellent and often great writer who proselytized for the most worst geopolitical disaster of the last thirty years.
― Lord Sotosyn, Saturday, 17 December 2011 16:49 (twelve years ago) link
I'm surprised Greenwald, for maximum effectiveness, didn't cite Hitchens' Reagan obit:
I only saw him once up close, which happened to be when he got a question he didn't like. Was it true that his staff in the 1980 debates had stolen President Carter's briefing book? (They had.) The famously genial grin turned into a rictus of senile fury: I was looking at a cruel and stupid lizard. His reply was that maybe his staff had, and maybe they hadn't, but what about the leak of the Pentagon Papers? Thus, a secret theft of presidential documents was equated with the public disclosure of needful information. This was a man never short of a cheap jibe or the sort of falsehood that would, however laughable, buy him some time.
― Lord Sotosyn, Saturday, 17 December 2011 16:52 (twelve years ago) link
btwn this and the Kael thread(s), I've realized I don't give much of a damn about "great writing" in nonfiction.
― Dr Morbius, Saturday, 17 December 2011 17:00 (twelve years ago) link
lol journalism is graded on a curve for sure
― Cooper Chucklebutt, Saturday, 17 December 2011 17:05 (twelve years ago) link
Morbs, are you telling us you don't want us to read your reviews?
― Lord Sotosyn, Saturday, 17 December 2011 17:06 (twelve years ago) link
I'm under no illusions that what I do is great, but criticism is way easier than standup comedy.
― Dr Morbius, Saturday, 17 December 2011 17:10 (twelve years ago) link
anyway the Weekend Edition guy on NPR this morning did a eulogy today praising Hitchens as a 'free thinker' umoored from his old dogmas etc. I doubt we'd be hearing any of that if he had moved from imperial bloodluster TO Trotskyite.
― Dr Morbius, Saturday, 17 December 2011 17:13 (twelve years ago) link
wonder how many of the ppl waxing self-righteous about hitch and iraq were fervent supporters of obama's unconstitutional attack on libya (at least one poster here, by my count). anyway, pretty much all the obits i've seen (aside from the 'the first time i ever met hitch...' ones) make a point of hitch's wrongness on that one issue.
― j.d. again, Saturday, 17 December 2011 22:10 (twelve years ago) link
he was also a misogynist a bully and a really lame reddit style contrarian and movement atheist lets not forget!
― Cooper Chucklebutt, Saturday, 17 December 2011 22:35 (twelve years ago) link
btw lol @ 'fervent supporter' and false equivalencies
― Cooper Chucklebutt, Saturday, 17 December 2011 22:37 (twelve years ago) link
criticizing hitchens as a pretty shitty orwell substitute is prob the critique that would hit closest to home. his iraq war support was something of an orwellian gambit "I will look silly right now but I will be validated" and that really does not appear to be something that's ever gonna happen. 10 years later, 'islamofascism' seems like more of a joke than ever.
but he could be funny and seemed to live a good life, I'll defend those things. I'd find his political views more objectionable if I felt like he were the type of person actually influencing people and world events, instead of basically just an entertainer.
― iatee, Saturday, 17 December 2011 22:50 (twelve years ago) link
Well said. This is a hard one for me. I really appreciated his spirit, even though i found his political turns over the last decade to be maddening.
There aren't enough like him imo.
― dell, Saturday, 17 December 2011 22:50 (twelve years ago) link
agree with iatee-- it would be one thing if it had seemed like ppl were actually taking cues from him and he had managed to influence the tide of public support for the iraq misadventures in some way. but as far as i can tell the influence that he had as a writer didn't function in that sense or at least to that aim.
― dell, Saturday, 17 December 2011 22:54 (twelve years ago) link
reading lots of hitch obits doesn't make me think about the iraq war or militant atheism or becoming a better writer, it mostly just makes me think "am I currently drinking enough alcohol on a day-to-day basis?"
― iatee, Saturday, 17 December 2011 23:18 (twelve years ago) link
The real test is to drink a lot at a party and step away to write coherent paragraphs and come bac,
― Lord Sotosyn, Saturday, 17 December 2011 23:20 (twelve years ago) link
*back
― Lord Sotosyn, Saturday, 17 December 2011 23:21 (twelve years ago) link
I'm not sure how many members of the public took their cues from him but i always had the impression that his stance, along with the likes of Nick Cohen and David Aaronovich, helped create an atmosphere in which some fairly important and influential people within the British liberal / left could justify the war and the rhetoric about 'islamo-fascism' to themselves.
― ShariVari, Saturday, 17 December 2011 23:57 (twelve years ago) link
A. Cockburn:
I never thought of him as at all radical. He craved to be an insider, a trait which achieved ripest expression when he elected to be sworn in as a U.S. citizen by Bush’s director of Homeland Security, Michael Chertoff. In basic philosophical take he always seemed to me to hold as his central premise a profound belief in the therapeutic properties of capitalism and empire. He was an instinctive flagwagger and remained so. He wrote some really awful stuff in the early 90s about how indigenous peoples — Indians in the Americas — were inevitably going to be rolled over by the wheels of Progress and should not be mourned.
...between the two of them, my sympathies were always with Mother Teresa. If you were sitting in rags in a gutter in Bombay, who would be more likely to give you a bowl of soup? You’d get one from Mother Teresa. Hitchens was always tight with beggars, just like the snotty Fabians who used to deprecate charity.
http://www.counterpunch.org/2011/12/16/farewell-to-c-h/
― Dr Morbius, Sunday, 18 December 2011 14:42 (twelve years ago) link
http://exiledonline.com/who-can-forget-christopher-hitchens-fake-waterboarding-stunt
― Cooper Chucklebutt, Sunday, 18 December 2011 14:45 (twelve years ago) link
Eh, fuck Mother Teresa.
― Lord Sotosyn, Sunday, 18 December 2011 14:45 (twelve years ago) link
ew
― Cooper Chucklebutt, Sunday, 18 December 2011 14:50 (twelve years ago) link
http://www.rochdalewriters.org.uk/shell/bung_klaus/diana/images_diana/mother_theresa_02_dead_orig.jpg
― Lord Sotosyn, Sunday, 18 December 2011 14:54 (twelve years ago) link
Hic-chens certainly did his part to make atheism the New Obnoxious Religion.
― Dr Morbius, Sunday, 18 December 2011 16:48 (twelve years ago) link
i can understand complaining abt having other peoples trip shoved down yr throat, particularly at the institutional level, but getting all excited over not believing in something is just kinda silly
― Cooper Chucklebutt, Sunday, 18 December 2011 16:51 (twelve years ago) link
its like you have as much attachment to this shit as the believers
― Cooper Chucklebutt, Sunday, 18 December 2011 16:52 (twelve years ago) link
also would be a good look for secular humanism to admit that mostly their core ideals first appeared in the historical record via religion, and that the situation is a lil more complex than lol spagetti monster
― Cooper Chucklebutt, Sunday, 18 December 2011 16:57 (twelve years ago) link
cooper chucklebutt is a brave new voice for the nu-sandbox era
― nakhchivan, Sunday, 18 December 2011 17:03 (twelve years ago) link
u r
― Cooper Chucklebutt, Sunday, 18 December 2011 17:05 (twelve years ago) link
no i mean u r (otm itt)
― nakhchivan, Sunday, 18 December 2011 17:10 (twelve years ago) link
he was also a misogynist
not sure I've seen the evidence to back this one up? (unless it's the "why women aren't funny" thing which, despite the headline, I don't think qualifies.)
― Simon H., Sunday, 18 December 2011 17:10 (twelve years ago) link
it totally qualifies!
but theres lots of thinking like this http://www.washingtoncitypaper.com/blogs/sexist/2010/05/12/but-if-youre-wearing-a-veil-how-will-i-know-that-youre-smiling-baby
i mean its not like his primary offense against humanity, more of a symptom of his generally incredibly entitled attitude, but still worth noting
― Cooper Chucklebutt, Sunday, 18 December 2011 17:14 (twelve years ago) link
http://www.politicsdaily.com/2009/05/12/where-is-rights-outrage-over-hitchens-black-dyke-wanda-sykes/
― nakhchivan, Sunday, 18 December 2011 17:14 (twelve years ago) link
Hitchens was obviously more urbane and well-written than the average neocon faux-warrior, but he was also often more vindictive and barbaric about his war cheerleading. One of the only writers with the courage to provide the full picture of Hitchens upon his death was Gawker‘s John Cook, who — in an extremely well-written and poignant obituary – detailed Hitchens’ vehement, unapologetic passion for the attack on Iraq and his dismissive indifference to the mass human suffering it caused, accompanied by petty contempt for those who objected (he denounced the Dixie Chicks as being “sluts” and “fucking fat slags” for the crime of mildly disparaging the Commander-in-Chief).
― nakhchivan, Sunday, 18 December 2011 17:15 (twelve years ago) link
xxp There's the 'calling the Dixie Chicks "fat fucking slags" and "sluts" thing' too.
― ShariVari, Sunday, 18 December 2011 17:15 (twelve years ago) link
Christopher Hitchens pointed out in this article in Vanity Fair, the only funny women around are “hefty, dykey, or Jewish”
― nakhchivan, Sunday, 18 December 2011 17:16 (twelve years ago) link
yeah, "why women aren't funny" qualifies, come the fuck on
― horseshoe, Sunday, 18 December 2011 17:18 (twelve years ago) link
maybe he'll spend the afterlife w/ Sophie Tucker & Gertrude Stein
xp
― Dr Morbius, Sunday, 18 December 2011 17:19 (twelve years ago) link
i think jho's right that his sexist and racist stuff stems mostly from how hilariously "provocative" he thought it was to throw his entitlement in his reader's faces, but it's not my job to psychoanalyze him. the stuff he said was still sexist and racist.
― horseshoe, Sunday, 18 December 2011 17:23 (twelve years ago) link
think it's fair to assume he had some shitty ideas about gender
― nakhchivan, Sunday, 18 December 2011 17:25 (twelve years ago) link
tho, psychoanaytically one might read his provocation as overdetermination
haha, no doubt
― horseshoe, Sunday, 18 December 2011 17:26 (twelve years ago) link
The quote that's stood out for me most in the last few days of feasting: "The only known cure for poverty... is the empowerment of women and the emancipation of them from a livestock version of compulsory reproduction."
Is there any precedent for this?
― oPal, Sunday, 18 December 2011 17:29 (twelve years ago) link
that's a pretty orthodox economic/utilitarian argument for contraception in the third world
― nakhchivan, Sunday, 18 December 2011 17:34 (twelve years ago) link
been thinking abt this guy obvs and just to somewhat summarize my thoughts: clearly a v skilled writer tho imo not as great as most seem to think, the main flaw is in his tone which is just incredibly pompous, its good for zings but def limits his range of expression, hes generally just pugilistic, more interested in destroying his adversaries than an honest exchange of ideas, i think this stems from the fact that his thinking his really not v sophisticated, like its below ilx mean understanding of the world, so his agression is a defensive measure, if you bully people theyll find it harder to engage w/yr actual ideas, this imho rules him out as an irl public intellectual, our world is already full of that sort of behavior, its p unremarkable and doesnt really advance anything useful or otherwise particularly
feel like a lot of his fame is due to the fact that hes a top level hard drinking iconoclastic journalist, like readers dont really make you famous, editors do, they dole out the jobs, and it helps if those editors think youre omg the coolest guy in the world - from a readers standpoint its p awesome to have a clever englishman zinging yr enemies - hes fun to read when you agree w/him, and the cultural transplant thing worked in his favor for sure
should note that im not at all familiar w/his literary criticism which may be mind bendingly wonderful for all i know
― Cooper Chucklebutt, Sunday, 18 December 2011 17:38 (twelve years ago) link
― nakhchivan, Sunday, December 18, 2011 12:10 PM (27 minutes ago) Bookmark Permalink
aw
― Cooper Chucklebutt, Sunday, 18 December 2011 17:39 (twelve years ago) link
I think that's a fair take
― iatee, Sunday, 18 December 2011 17:42 (twelve years ago) link
and the MSM of course embraced him fully as a talking head only when he went neocon.
― Dr Morbius, Sunday, 18 December 2011 17:50 (twelve years ago) link
troo
― Cooper Chucklebutt, Sunday, 18 December 2011 17:51 (twelve years ago) link
Cooper OTM. I've been an atheist most of my life but the popularized new stuff is so smug and one-sided that it's hardly an intellectual alternative to the dogmatic evangelical strawmen it kicks around for book sales.
This is really the only capacity I knew him in, so my superficial opinion of him was a master level troll with +50 intelligence points.
― Emperor Cos Dashit, Sunday, 18 December 2011 20:12 (twelve years ago) link
hard drinking iconoclastic journalist
When did it become a given that alcoholic writers are somehow really cool?
― Emperor Cos Dashit, Sunday, 18 December 2011 20:15 (twelve years ago) link
The brilliant alcoholic journalist is part of the mythology made by journalists about themselves, wherein the capacity for absorbing alcohol serves to underscore the presumed manliness of the journalist.
― Aimless, Sunday, 18 December 2011 20:24 (twelve years ago) link
Let's discuss his essays on literature, of which this is one of the best:
http://www.nybooks.com/articles/archives/1998/may/28/powells-way/?pagination=false
― Lord Sotosyn, Sunday, 18 December 2011 20:26 (twelve years ago) link
Pareene's take, starting with the mention that the man himself probably wouldn't take too kindly to all the "treacle" suddenly poured his way:
http://politics.salon.com/2011/12/17/when_hitch_was_wrong/singleton/
...There was no more forceful intellectual voice in support of the Iraq War than Hitchens. There were others who were more prominent, more influential or more persuasive, but Hitchens was the perfect shill for an administration looking to cast its half-baked invasion plans as a morally righteous intervention, because only he could call upon a career of denunciations of totalitarianism and defenses of human rights. (The fact that the war was supposed to be justified by weapons Saddam was supposedly developing didn’t really matter to Hitchens.)And so we had the world’s self-appointed supreme defender of Orwell’s legacy happily joining an extended misinformation campaign designed to sell an incompetent right-wing government’s war of choice. The man who carefully laid out the case for arresting Henry Kissinger for war crimes was now palling around with Paul fucking Wolfowitz.Once he became an unpaid administration propagandist, Hitchens, formerly a creature of left-wing magazines whose largest mainstream exposure was in Vanity Fair and occasionally on Charlie Rose, was suddenly on TV rather a lot. The lesson there, I think, is that the popular American mass media will make room for even a booze-swilling atheist Trotskyite if he’s shilling for a the latest war.And to be honest, his post-9/11 conception of an epoch-defining clash of civilizations between the secular West and the jihadists is more than slightly ridiculous. The secular West faces any number of graver existential threats — like unaccountable too-big-to-fail financial institutions and climate change, to name two that immediately come to mind — than that posed by the less-than 1 percent of the world’s Muslim population that subscribes to Salafist jihadism. Hitchens, the old Orwell worshiper, clearly just wanted a great big generational threat to tackle fearlessly, with polemics attacking the sclerotic establishment liberals who failed to see that the world was at the brink of disaster. He was looking for his own Spanish Civil War. That’s why he insisted on arguing that “Bin Ladenism” was equivalent to fascism....
And so we had the world’s self-appointed supreme defender of Orwell’s legacy happily joining an extended misinformation campaign designed to sell an incompetent right-wing government’s war of choice. The man who carefully laid out the case for arresting Henry Kissinger for war crimes was now palling around with Paul fucking Wolfowitz.
Once he became an unpaid administration propagandist, Hitchens, formerly a creature of left-wing magazines whose largest mainstream exposure was in Vanity Fair and occasionally on Charlie Rose, was suddenly on TV rather a lot. The lesson there, I think, is that the popular American mass media will make room for even a booze-swilling atheist Trotskyite if he’s shilling for a the latest war.
And to be honest, his post-9/11 conception of an epoch-defining clash of civilizations between the secular West and the jihadists is more than slightly ridiculous. The secular West faces any number of graver existential threats — like unaccountable too-big-to-fail financial institutions and climate change, to name two that immediately come to mind — than that posed by the less-than 1 percent of the world’s Muslim population that subscribes to Salafist jihadism. Hitchens, the old Orwell worshiper, clearly just wanted a great big generational threat to tackle fearlessly, with polemics attacking the sclerotic establishment liberals who failed to see that the world was at the brink of disaster. He was looking for his own Spanish Civil War. That’s why he insisted on arguing that “Bin Ladenism” was equivalent to fascism....
― kingfish sandbox bonaparte, Sunday, 18 December 2011 20:33 (twelve years ago) link
The most hilarious photo in Hitch-22 is of our hero and a few Kurds lighting celebratory cigarettes after the US invasion, as if this was the point.
― Lord Sotosyn, Sunday, 18 December 2011 20:35 (twelve years ago) link
aimless otm
― awesome to have a clever englishman zinging yr enemies (nakhchivan), Sunday, 18 December 2011 20:42 (twelve years ago) link
Whether or not you agreed with Hitchens, you can't deny he was controversial!
Todd
― realness, just realness, Sunday, 18 December 2011 20:51 (twelve years ago) link
Ah, yes, Todd.
― Ned Raggett, Sunday, 18 December 2011 20:58 (twelve years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dBFu2xIejUg#t=04m40s
(Skip to 4:40 if the direct link doesn't work.)
― Ned Raggett, Sunday, 18 December 2011 20:59 (twelve years ago) link
*hugs*
― realness, just realness, Sunday, 18 December 2011 21:14 (twelve years ago) link
hope i'm still alive when all the ribald tales of that rascally lush and inveterate bon vivant glenn greenwald show up in his obits.
― t. silaviver, Sunday, 18 December 2011 22:15 (twelve years ago) link
― Lord Sotosyn, Sunday, December 18, 2011 3:35 PM (5 hours ago) Bookmark Permalink
― HOOS aka driver of steen, Monday, 19 December 2011 02:35 (twelve years ago) link
oh jesus
http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/fighting_words/2011/12/christopher_hitchens_death_he_taught_katie_roiphe_that_provocation_is_fun_.html
― slandblox goole, Monday, 19 December 2011 16:33 (twelve years ago) link
ugh of course
― horseshoe, Monday, 19 December 2011 16:40 (twelve years ago) link
pareene OTM
― aesthetic partisan (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 19 December 2011 16:47 (twelve years ago) link
feel like it could b a fun project to define "roiphe." is it "gargling balls?" "licking boots, at payless shoes?" we could put the agreed upon definition on urban dictionary
― nuhnuhnuh, Monday, 19 December 2011 16:52 (twelve years ago) link
why is it that every time I encounter something written by Katie Roiphe my main takeaway is "this is one of the worst people in the world"
― OH NOES, Monday, 19 December 2011 16:53 (twelve years ago) link
i think it's because you are literate
― slandblox goole, Monday, 19 December 2011 16:54 (twelve years ago) link
― horseshoe, Monday, 19 December 2011 16:55 (twelve years ago) link
you nice liberals are so literal-minded. she's just a provocateur! isn't it fun?
She claims Hitchens drank last July, but he said several times that he gave up drinking; he'd lost the taste for it.
― Lord Sotosyn, Monday, 19 December 2011 16:55 (twelve years ago) link
http://imnotatoy.files.wordpress.com/2011/12/w5bcn.gif?w=500
― nuhnuhnuh, Monday, 19 December 2011 16:56 (twelve years ago) link
good katha pollitt remembrance bit.ly/tjCN5l
― max max max max, Monday, 19 December 2011 17:23 (twelve years ago) link
TNC grapples with Hitchens' support for Iraq.
Nevertheless, I think Glenn's frame is wrong. Virtues don't excuse sins; they cohabit with them. Thomas Jefferson was a slaveholder. Perhaps worse he was a slaveholder who comprehended, more than any other, the moral failing of slavery, and it's potential to bring the country to war, and yet at the end of his life he argued for slavery's expansion, and on his death many of his slaves were sent to the auction block.
At his end, Jefferson sided with those who would eventually bring about the deaths of 600,000 Americans. He argued that the antebellum South would have either "justice" versus "self-preservation." To paraphrase Churchill, it chose the latter and consequently got neither. But Jefferson was a beautiful writer, and a great intellect, whose thinking and prose I consistently find stunning. This admiration does not negate his moral cowardice. Both are true at the same time. (The same point could be made in regards to our conversation over Elizabeth Cady Stanton.)
Given Hitchens own ties to this magazine, of which I'm very fond, I'd like to say that--at least in this space--there's no demand for exclusion, or any sense that Hitchens worthy of unalloyed admiration. No one should ever receive, or wisely desire, such a thing. I can't really speak for other people, but I don't believe in an essential, irreducible moral nature. I don't see Hitchens, or anyone else, as a case of either/or.
― Lord Sotosyn, Monday, 19 December 2011 17:32 (twelve years ago) link
pollitt's piece is good. it's kind of a trip for me to imagine them interacting irl.
― horseshoe, Monday, 19 December 2011 17:34 (twelve years ago) link
What I saw was that drinking made him angry and combative and bullying, often toward people who were way out of his league—elderly guests on the Nation cruise, interns (especially female interns).
post graduate level zing
― Cooper Chucklebutt, Monday, 19 December 2011 17:40 (twelve years ago) link
really who dreamed up this idea of a cruise as fundraiser for a political magazine
― slandblox goole, Monday, 19 December 2011 17:42 (twelve years ago) link
just imagining it is so strange and horrible
― Cooper Chucklebutt, Monday, 19 December 2011 17:43 (twelve years ago) link
there should be a short story where it's really some kind of bait and switch and they've all joined the navy reserve or an oil shipping line or something
― slandblox goole, Monday, 19 December 2011 17:47 (twelve years ago) link
shanghaied to write spam for the russian mob
― Cooper Chucklebutt, Monday, 19 December 2011 17:48 (twelve years ago) link
I voted for him twice, and I wouldn't want to be at sea w/ Ralph Nader (esp if Jim Hightower was also around)
― Dr Morbius, Monday, 19 December 2011 17:52 (twelve years ago) link
what u voted twice for ralph nader how has this fact never come out on ilx before???
jk :)
― Mordy, Monday, 19 December 2011 17:53 (twelve years ago) link
morbs and nader bunked together in the navy how has this fact never come out on ilx before???
― Cooper Chucklebutt, Monday, 19 December 2011 17:55 (twelve years ago) link
haha
― horseshoe, Monday, 19 December 2011 17:56 (twelve years ago) link
i just cannot stop imagining a soused hitchen screaming at a tableful of old lefties just tryna enjoy their chicken a la king and then flipping the table and storming off in disgust
― max max max max, Monday, 19 December 2011 18:00 (twelve years ago) link
its really amazing
― Cooper Chucklebutt, Monday, 19 December 2011 18:01 (twelve years ago) link
katha pollit clucking in the background
― horseshoe, Monday, 19 December 2011 18:01 (twelve years ago) link
chainsmoking in his cabin angrily writing out a 1200-word screed about the variety show
― max max max max, Monday, 19 December 2011 18:02 (twelve years ago) link
threatening to quit if pollitt doesnt publish it immediately, on board the ship
puking over the side of the deck while his intern holds his hair
― Cooper Chucklebutt, Monday, 19 December 2011 18:03 (twelve years ago) link
trying to charm an indifferent waitress with a story about dodging a militia in lebanon and then barfing over the side
xp lool
― slandblox goole, Monday, 19 December 2011 18:04 (twelve years ago) link
http://media.salon.com/2010/07/pollster_scott_rasmussen_to_speak_on_national_review_cruise_for_free-460x307.jpg
― Lord Sotosyn, Monday, 19 December 2011 18:05 (twelve years ago) link
haha goole
― Cooper Chucklebutt, Monday, 19 December 2011 18:06 (twelve years ago) link
I'm pretty sure couscous is favored over chicken a la king on The Nation cruise.
also Richard Dreyfuss was on it a couple years ago
― Dr Morbius, Monday, 19 December 2011 18:07 (twelve years ago) link
why was Richard Dreyfuss on some couscous?
― OH NOES, Monday, 19 December 2011 18:08 (twelve years ago) link
Dan crunches on indefinite pronounds like cornflakes.
― Lord Sotosyn, Monday, 19 December 2011 18:10 (twelve years ago) link
RICHARD DREYFUSS OVER A BED OF COUSCOUS JOIN US NATION MAGAZINE CRUISE 2012
― Cooper Chucklebutt, Monday, 19 December 2011 18:10 (twelve years ago) link
*pronouns
btw I hate to tell u this year's returned to port yesterday
http://www.nationcruise.com/
― Dr Morbius, Monday, 19 December 2011 18:10 (twelve years ago) link
lol at puking while an intern holds his hair
― caek, Monday, 19 December 2011 21:06 (twelve years ago) link
http://nearemmaus.files.wordpress.com/2011/12/hitch.jpg?w=690
― Lord Sotosyn, Monday, 19 December 2011 21:10 (twelve years ago) link
omg he rode a folding bike, it all makes sense now
― Cooper Chucklebutt, Monday, 19 December 2011 21:14 (twelve years ago) link
he was recreating Lenin's arrival at Finland Station.
― Lord Sotosyn, Monday, 19 December 2011 21:17 (twelve years ago) link
http://www.salon.com/2011/12/20/i_knew_christopher_hitchens_better_than_you/singleton/#comments
― HOOS aka driver of steen, Tuesday, 20 December 2011 18:55 (twelve years ago) link
Not as funny as I wanted it to be.
― Lord Sotosyn, Tuesday, 20 December 2011 18:55 (twelve years ago) link
still pretty funny
― iatee, Tuesday, 20 December 2011 18:58 (twelve years ago) link
The first time I saw him, he had a bird on each arm and a woman by his side.
Sometimes the cheap laughs are the best.
― ledge, Tuesday, 20 December 2011 19:02 (twelve years ago) link
http://overratedwhitedudes.tumblr.com/post/14311784932/more-lucid-than-the-average-mean-spirited-drunk
― v-whiney (Cuauhtemoc Blanco), Tuesday, 20 December 2011 22:22 (twelve years ago) link
overrated tumblr whites
― nuhnuhnuh, Tuesday, 20 December 2011 22:32 (twelve years ago) link
Ron Jeremy? come on, bro.
― Matt Armstrong, Tuesday, 20 December 2011 22:34 (twelve years ago) link
okay "the MGD 64 of human beings" for McConaughey is pretty funny
― OH NOES, Tuesday, 20 December 2011 22:37 (twelve years ago) link
yeah honestly I only disagreed with like 3 of them but Ron Jeremy is deserving of his status.
― Matt Armstrong, Tuesday, 20 December 2011 23:02 (twelve years ago) link
Oh man, I haven't thought about Neil Pollack in years!
― sterl, Wednesday, 21 December 2011 18:22 (twelve years ago) link
neither have i!
― river wolf, Wednesday, 21 December 2011 18:37 (twelve years ago) link
I don't have a clue who he is!
― Aimless, Wednesday, 21 December 2011 18:40 (twelve years ago) link
he was a thing for a while!
― Cooper Chucklebutt, Wednesday, 21 December 2011 18:49 (twelve years ago) link
The anthology of american literature is basically pieces like this about/in the style of most major macho literary figures of the 20th century. Since then, I guess he's written a bunch of other funny stuff too.
― sterl, Wednesday, 21 December 2011 18:49 (twelve years ago) link
Yeah, Anthology is hilarious
― Number None, Wednesday, 21 December 2011 18:52 (twelve years ago) link