Gun Etiquette

I just want to start off with a basic gun etiquette question, like, when you go over to a friend's house, or when you go over to someone's house, anyone's house, and they are playing the role of the host, or whatever, because it's their house, is it bad etiquette for them to have guns sitting out, if they have guns

yes, unless you are planning on using the guns during your visit, in which case no

it's ok if they aren't loaded.

We don't have enough information here. What kind of guns are they?

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http://www.disclose.tv/files/photos/07211688a0869d9L.jpg

http://www.aolcdn.com/aolr/guys-beach-body-biceps-400a050307.jpg

http://www.everythingisterrible.com/2011/07/gunfun.html

what if the guy is building guns when you knock on his door.

Like this.

http://collider.com/wp-content/uploads/the_american_movie_image_george_clooney_01.jpg

This is generally true at my parents house, so I guess I've never really thought about it? Even though I have no problem w/guns, I think I would be a little weirded out if I visited someone and they were just like laying out on the coffee table or something. Unless it was my dad, because thats just how he rolls.

Although in his case they don't really tend to have peeps over socially other than my wife and I.

these ppl don't have anyone over socially I think, there was a handgun, a rifle and a shotgun laying around, pretty much in front of me, and I would have never noticed them had the dude not gone "oh sorry the guns are out hope that's ok"

he then asked me if I had a problem with guns, and that if I did he would put them away but I told him to wait while I thought about how I felt about guns, then never brought the guns up again because I feared that if I did he may pick one up and want to show it to me or something

I have basically zero experience w/ guns, which is probably not the case w/ most americans, and also depends on how much open land is around I guess, so I just wanted to see what gun etiquette was about this

I dunno maybe this is a 'nobody I know voted for nixon' thing, but most people I know have no experience with guns

i don't know anyone who owns a Gun

I don't think it'd be out of the realm of good manners to say "Hey, what's up with the guns?"

"... what are you some sort of weirdo gun nut or something?

it sounds like he was pretty polite about it - he apologized for their presence, and offered to remove them. the only other thing he could have done would have been to put them away before the guest came over, but on the other hand, it is his house.

I personally think that having guns out is akin to walking around your house in your underwear. Love them or loathe them, guns are fascinating and compelling objects and unless you've stopped in on someone cleaning them or preparing to go shooting, they really shouldn't be laying around when you have company.

Like the op, I wouldn't really make a big deal out of it if I were a guest, though.

I would prob come up w/ a reason to leave asap

let's shoot each other with guns

it sounds like he was pretty polite about it - he apologized for their presence, and offered to remove them. the only other thing he could have done would have been to put them away before the guest came over, but on the other hand, it is his house.

― n/a, Thursday, December 1, 2011 4:30 PM (2 minutes ago) Bookmark Permalink

yeah dude was v nice, was just wondering if having your guns out was a normal american thing, in this case I think it was more about not expecting people over rather than about dude wanting to keep guns out.

next gun etiquette question, and I guess both q's can still be answered by any knowledgeable person, is it impolite to stare at someone's gun, in fear or awe or whatever, if they are legally open carrying it in a public place

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fkVn8kSmqaw

I came in to this thread only because I expected to find guns on the table where are the guns on the table does anybody know what happened to the guns on the table

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LCjJAX3O9Ws

I personally think that having guns out is akin to walking around your house in your underwear. Love them or loathe them, guns are fascinating and compelling objects and unless you've stopped in on someone cleaning them or preparing to go shooting, they really shouldn't be laying around when you have company.

this is OTM. I've been around guns and people that own guns and in general they always kept 'em locked up/out of reach. keeping 'em lying around is a little odd.

I would have never noticed them had the dude not gone "oh sorry the guns are out hope that's ok"

this would've been a good opportunity to pick up one of the guns and just wave it around carelessly, maybe fire into the air. "It's TOTALLY ok!"

guns should always remain concealed, like under a couch cushion or taped to the top of a ceiling fan blade.

I probably would have asked to look at one of them, the rifle most likely. Ppl that far along the gun nut spectrum always like it when you admire their firearms.

it's pretty antisocial to carry a gun around as it is so i'd say staring at it would be the lesser of evils in that case xxp

it's pretty antisocial to carry a gun around as it is

I'm pretty sure some ppl in Arizona might disagree

it's pretty antisocial to live in arizona

yeah m white otm the guy who shot that congresswoman was definitely a crazy person

p much if you are a concealedcarrier = you are a crazy person

I didn't ask this fella if I could look at his gun up close.

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I probably would have asked to look at one of them, the rifle most likely. Ppl that far along the gun nut spectrum always like it when you admire their firearms.

uh. this situation doesnt sound like its really anywhere on the gun nut spectrum to me, dude happened to have guns out when someone stopped by unexpectedly, its not like he was brandishing them at the mailman or something.

Fair enough, but I wouldn't have asked, I would have put my guns away. Guns go in safes or lockers or drawers or racks at the very least. Leaving guns strewn about is nagl imho and indicates a certain amount of gun nuttery.

so he was like, just admiring them for his own pleasure? Xp

I think it's pretty cool to leave guns out in the open, it should be done in more places, like on people's lawns, at the starbucks, at the post office, in the courthouse... a person should never go wanting for a gun when he needs one

this is the shotgun room, i mean the living room

personally I always make sure there is a gun out on every table or bed in my house, just in case somebody drops by unexpectedly and wants to admire one of my guns

if any of you guys want to admire my guns right now please come on by, you'll find some guns in the mailbox, in the flower pot, the oven

"I just like the feel of my guns when I pull them out of the freezer."

All end tables should have one of these:

http://www.carryconcealed.net/Websites/carryconcealed/Images/Reviews/fastholsterc.jpg

I've been known to have a gun or two out on my desk on occasion - if I've been to the range and haven't been back to my parents' house to put them in the safe or w/e.

I sent a friend a picture of my desk once - Tom Waits CDs, some depressing book and a .44 Magnum revolver. His response was "suicide starter kit?"

Do you clean every time you shoot?

You know, the more that I think about this the more I realize that my gun nut friends in high school all had various guns around and they assumed that they were all cool with it so everybody else should be too. I never really said anything about it but it was foreign to my family. All my grandparents had guns but they were never, ever on display. I guess it's a regional/generational thing.

Pretty much never. Cleaning guns is generally unnecessary, especially if it's a Glock/M&P/etc.

back when i shot competetively i cleaned the guns after every match/practice session, but that was long distance rifle so accuracy is kinda super key.

what if you get saliva in the barrel

wha?

he said "what if you get salvia in the barrel"

He is trying to imply he makes out with his rifle but no pic no cred.

what would happen if you took two guns and put the barrles end-to-end and shot them at the same time

why do that when you can just suppress a sneeze and a fart at the same time

man iatee, for a guy who doesnt know anybody who knows anything about guns, you sure do seem to know a lot about people who know a lot about guns.

tbh I kind of want to learn about guns now, I am fascinated by them as real things rather than kind of knee-jerkedly disgusted by the concept of them

who is proven by booze science

what would happen if you shot a gun at somebody and they shot a gun at you at the same time but their gun was bigger and the bullets were on the same trajectory but heading towards each other

would the bullet from their gun hit the bullet from your gun

would the two bullets form a super bullet

how many people would die

I was saving up my pennies to buy a gun, but I accidentally bought a guitar instead. Need more pennies.

i don't think there's anything especially wrong with the situation in the o.p.

but if there was a scheduled thing where people were coming over to a house, yeah, put the guns away.

forget about the penis build your own gun!

could you make a gun out of pennies

or a gun that shoots pennies

what happens if you threw a gun that shot pennies off the empire state building and then in midair the gun shot a penny at the ground

would anybody die

yeah, did he say why he was in the guy's house?

"oh shit my guitar's out hope that's ok"

this was an unscheduled thing

ok I broke into his house

if you just show up to a guy's house, it's his house, so what.

if he's having people over it's a little odd. there's gradations obv. "sure stop by, i'm just doing some stuff around the house (incl. cleaning my guns)"

if this person is the type to sit around watching tv with a pistol in his hand, that's a little tony montana/john milius i guess, but it doesn't sound like that.

xps

I'm related to a lot of enthusiastic gun owners and outside of hunting season when there are bound to be rifles propped up around the house (assuming no kids around - I am also related to staunch gun safety advocates), I would find it surprising if my relatives had their guns out laying around in the living room.

^^ yeah. My parents babysit my niece now, and Dad has gotten (rightly) paranoid about a newly mobile two-year-old poking under beds and in closets, so every gun is locked in a cabinet and each gun has a trigger lock.

What if he builds his own guns with precious metals and he's polishing them while watching the Planet Earth series.

what if your neighbor has a pool and you can't swim.

ok so after he said that he would put the guns away if I was uncomfortable around them, and after I just was kind of like "give me a minute to think about the concept of guns" we both just kind of sat there quietly, watching king of queens, and he looked at me after a minute and was like, "this is something people with guns should do right, offer to put them away? I dont really know how this all is supposed to work, I grew up around guns, but I would assume that someone might this this was weird" and, because I was really stoned and kind of afraid and wanted to stop talking about the guns, to stoned to talk even really, I was like oh no it's ok I still have to think, and then he turned back to king of queens and after a minute he was like "man I don't even know what's going on in this episode" and I was like "yeah I know right"

and someone else in the room was like "yeah me too, and I've been paying attention"

sounds like you lived a chapter in a DeLillo novel.

why were you afraid?

that's kind of why i wanted to know about etiquette from people around the us, because the whole situation was kind of up in the air for both of us

i think i object more to the nexus of thc, kevin james and leah rimini than to unsafe firearms

is this guy scary?

I was afraid because I've never been around guns and suddenly I had to think of them, also because of how surprising the situation was to me, like someone said the word gun and all of a sudden there's a gun in front of me that I never realized was there

I don't understand the pool comment, is that guy posting in the wrong thread.

this guy was super nice not scary at all, it was the first time I met him, but he was like one of those kinds of people I got on with immediately

were you at the house of a gun magician

wow did they work for state farm?

Shaking my head at the USA right now. And you guys lol at us Brits.

you gave us benny hill. i thought we were supposed to lol at you brits.

FWIW, I'm really comfortable around guns but I'm pretty nervous around guns that I haven't checked to be unloaded myself. People are stupid, shit happens. I strongly dislike people handing me guns without dropping the magazine and clearing the chamber (or similar action for non-semiautos).

I'm single and the only things I own of value are guns and cameras, so I don't keep a loaded gun in my house, ever.

HAY GUYZ, I went round to my friend's house and he had his bottle of arsenic out on the table - would you be comfortable with that?

HAY GUYZ, I went round to my friend's house and he had a rabid dog chained to his sofa - would you be comfortable with that?

HEY GUYZ, I went round to my friend's house and he tied me to an altar while a sharpened pendulum descended towards my body - would you be comfortable with that?

^^^^^
people who are like this about inanimate objects are weirder to me than gun nuts.

I don't understand the pool comment, is that guy posting in the wrong thread.

I think he's being existential about guns as objects and pointing out that, if you can't swim, pools might freak you out, which is frankly, why so many pools have protective gates or pool covers these days.

I have a question, could you use a gun to crack a nut open

I mean, by like shooting it

not using the butt of the gun

Milo, would you really be comfortable with a guy who had a table full of poisons in his living room? They're just inanimate objects, you know.

someone should make "gun nuts", like truck nuts

and this "loaded" thread goes off in 3, 2

I strongly dislike people handing me guns without dropping the magazine and clearing the chamber (or similar action for non-semiautos).

This^^^

I'm really not going to get into a guns good or bad debate anymore 'cause in the US at least, they aren't going anywhere anytime soon but ppl who are crazy for guns and are not super gun-safety advocates are disgusting savages imho and they actually actively piss me off to the point where I refuse to be around them.

just want it to be known that I asked the question to get some, like, realistic responses,and I feel like I did, so thank you

he should keep his gun under the sink with all the other poisons.

could you make a gun with one barrel but like five triggers, so that you could put your hand on it but you wouldn't be burdened to just using your index finger to shoot it, you could squeeze your pinky, or your thumb, depending on how you were feeling that day, the weather outside

i just replaced in my google field "Joseph P. Kennedy III" with "gun with five triggers".

Yeah and it's cool that you both had a real dialogue about this (albeit a stoned one somehwat contaminated by King of Queens) instead staking positions or getting weird about it. I bet you could ask him in future not leave his guns out and he'd be cool. Conversely, if you're cool w/them, he gets to have them out as is his wont.

You really can't deny the seductiveness of guns and if you ever want to check his out make sure that he can demonstrate that they're not loaded and, regardless, never put you finger in the trigger or point it anywhere but the floor.

Hey emily, I went to this guy's house and he had a tablesaw lying around. Give me a fucking break.

There are (or used to be) lots of double trigger shotguns iIrc.

I went to this guy's house and he had a car.

when people come over I tell them to be careful of the chainsaw I keep on my table, continuously running, filling the house with exhaust

how normal is it to keep a chainsaw on the table? I dunno, seems pretty normal to me, I grew up with them, my daddy was a chainsaw

I'm not aware of any hobbies involving a wide variety poisons, so yes, I'd view that quite differently from guns. Or knives, or swords or any number of other dangerous things. Because guns and poisons aren't analogous.

An unloaded gun can't do anything to you - is there such a thing as 'unloaded arsenic,' Emily?

Milo, would you really be comfortable with a guy who had a table full of poisons in his living room? They're just inanimate objects, you know.

― Illia Rump (emil.y), Thursday, December 1, 2011 6:39 PM (7 minutes ago)

guns have multiple functions, poisons only have oh fuck me are we really going to do this again

I'm not aware of any hobbies involving a wide variety poisons

taxidermy
or
housekeeping

I was taught that a gun is always loaded – i.e. don't lay it casually on tables or point it at anybody even if the magazine is empty.

I did grow up with dangerous power tools laying around on the reg.

Of course, both my parents smoking until I was 16 was infinitely more dangerous than the guns or saws.

What if he was a metallurgist for christ's sake.

(the arsenic man, obvs.)

i'm not aware of any hobbies involving a wide variety poisonsI'm not aware of any hobbies involving a wide variety poisons

bar hopping?

sometimes i just leave my black belt out there, on the table

I went to this guy's house and he had a car.

― M. White, Thursday, December 1, 2011 1:46 PM (5 minutes ago) Bookmark Permalink

Cars scare the shit out of me.

what about babies – they bite and scream

could you make a gun that was also a car

like maybe tie a gun to a golf cart

i remember coming back from grandma's, curling up in the chamber of a gun and falling asleep.

Look, I get where the gun law advocates are coming from and where the enthusiasts are coming from but I really think that debate should go to one of those threads. I don't think webinar is going to convince his friends to get rid of guns and if he wants to befriend this guy and maybe hang out and watch daft sitcoms w/him, he wants to figure out the gun etiquette. Personally, I think it's a two-way street but he can probably determine what he thinks by starting a thread in his own head.

xp: oh, so this is you

Gun Etiquette

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/214/447736065_5d92df34cf.jpg

could you make a gun that was also a car

http://www.thelittletinsoldier.com/catalog/images/GAS1%20Assyrian%20Chariot.jpg

Early version

If I could make my car into a gun, I would do so in a HEARTBEAT

cars are just guns w/ wheels

most cars I know of don't have triggers that start a combustion event that launches a projectile at a target; maybe I should reinvestigate American auto makers

guys guys guys guys guys

I just figured out what gun spelled backwards is

http://www.ohio.edu/people/urieli/stirling/engines/Alpha_Stirling.gif

most cars I know of don't have triggers that start a combustion event that launches a projectile at a target; maybe I should reinvestigate American auto makers

it's all a perspective thing

next gun etiquette question, and I guess both q's can still be answered by any knowledgeable person, is it impolite to stare at someone's gun, in fear or awe or whatever, if they are legally open carrying it in a public place

― good webinar (ha ha I'm having a fantasy), Thursday, December 1, 2011 4:37 PM (2 hours ago) Bookmark Permalink

it's probably slightly impolite but a bigger danger is being drawn into a conversation with that person about that gun.

they want you to stare

goole OTM

most cars I know of don't have triggers that start a combustion event that launches a projectile at a target; maybe I should reinvestigate American auto makers

― OH NOES, Thursday, December 1, 2011 2:03 PM (12 minutes ago) Bookmark Permalink

I can't tell if you're being serious or not. : )

the open-carrying person might misinterpret your stare of fear or awe as a rmde "why are you an attention-seeking dick" stare, especially if (as seems highly probable) he is an attention-seeking dick

If I went to the house of someone I did not know and that person had guns out on the table I would feel very uncomfortable because I did not know that person or his/her gun safety habits or his/her homicidal inclinations. So to that end, it would seem reasonable to put your guests at ease by stowing the firearms with asking.

withOUT asking, I meant to say.

"Oh don't worry, the homicidal urges only really kick in on Tuesdays."

Also I would be worried watching King of Queens would drive me to turn one of the guns on myself.

considering all of the CBS sitcoms of the past 10 years, you can go so much worse than King of Queens

yes I am looking at you, According to Jim and Yes, Dear

Can we talk about guns some more, and maybe cars, before we go down the King of Queens road once again?

thejenny, it would be so much easier to just go all Elvis on the TV

yeah I was just about to say, please don't turn another gun etiquette thread into a discussion about king of queens

I was in Florida over Thanksgiving. There sure were a lot of gun shops there. I think ppl in Florida love guns a lot.

if ever I open a business, I will hang a sign that says:

NO CONCEALED WEAPONS OR DISCUSSION OF CBS SITUATION COMEDIES ALLOWED ON THESE PREMISES

i am still totally baffled by the story that kicked this thread off

King of Queens Road is the Hong Kong version of the show I think.

what about, cad

guns have multiple functions, poisons only have oh fuck me are we really going to do this again

― PROVEN BY BOOZE SCIENCE, Thursday, December 1, 2011 1:48 PM (2 hours ago)

sure, let's! name one other than killing people/animals

I've driven though Queens before but saw nary a King.

lol there was not a gun thread that turned into a KoQ thread, was there?

tbh I've never seen the show and I think I was confusing it with Everbody Loves Raymond. Or that Jim Belushi one.

starting a footrace

xxpost

there are all sorts of hilarious uses for guns

what about, cad

― good webinar (ha ha I'm having a fantasy), Thursday, December 1, 2011 3:52 PM (35 seconds ago) Bookmark Permalink

i guess mostly about your relationship to this guy and the circumstances under which you showed up. maybe you explained and i missed it--sorry if that's the case. i just can't imagine having this interaction.

and useful! like what if we surgically replaced world renowned pianist lang lang's hands with guns and then made him place rachmanikoff. instant comedy!

name one other than killing people/animals

killing clay pigeons? cans? bottles?

btw people do keep poisons in their house, often out in the open, they're called "cleaning supplies"

- target shooting (recreational and competitive)
- collector's pieces
- starting races (lol)
- ceremonial salutes
- pistol-whipping/bludgeoning (you never said non-violent uses)

-buttstroking

anybody want to come over to my place, I'm gonna be doing some butt stroking

nah cad, I didn't explain it, I can if you want tho

k3, are you against the use of guns for killing animals?

I can't believe I missed the first 2 days of this thread and all the fun you had on it.

here I typed it

Met dude during thanksgiving, he is an in law of sorts I guess (neither of us are married). So we all met up at the in laws' house for thanksgiving, and, because he is around my age, after we ate, all us younger ppl went to his place, which is not too far from the in laws' house we met up at.

I guess this all sounds more confusing than it needs to be but I'm trying to be too specific about it I guess, I wanted to make this all less about talking about people who don't post on the forum and more about talking about cultural mores, but then I remembered the whole king of queens thing and couldn't help posting about it

im trying not to be, that is

Open carry would be fun for one day, if you did it dressed like Steve McQueen in Bullitt (armpit holsters!), or some crazy Wild West getup.

I wonder if I could get legislation passed that would allow a free open carry handgun permit as long as the holder was dressed as Ulala from Space Channel 5

lol ok thanks.

this is why i avoid ppl i don't already know.

k3, are you against the use of guns for killing animals?

― rusty flathead screwdriver, Thursday, December 1, 2011 4:00 PM

sort of? i don't think just anybody should have the right to shoot a deer or a rabbit or something they're not going to eat themselves. bear in mind private ownership of any kinds of guns should be illegal - if hunting is necessary for food or population control or whatever the government could employ people to do this

hahahaha good luck with that

I gotta say, there are like a dozen reasons why you should secure your guns when you're not using them, but I think that unsecured firearms and intoxicants would be a situation I would excuse myself from or like, be upfront and ask the dude to stow them.

well yeah duh xp

Just to be clear population control is not an if thing wrt many game animals (looking at you insane amount of deer) but an absolute, thx to historical slaughter of predators.

Do not hunt myself, but that's just factual.

xps where's the fun in being rational -- talk about a gun car!

why the fuck should the government hire people to control the deer population instead of hunters doing it themselves?

that unsecured firearms and intoxicants

If nothing else, guns and weed would tend to make me paranoid

Also I think you could make a pretty dece argument for the positive eco aspects of people obtaining their meat from self-sustaining things like deer populations.

well it'd be hard for them to do it without guns, which they can't own

lol

xxp

bear in mind private ownership of any kinds of guns should be illegal

For better or for worse, that is something that will never happen in the US.

well it'd be hard for them to do it without guns,

http://www.google.com/search?q=deer%20archery%20kill%20shots&rls=com.microsoft:en-US&oe=utf8&safe=active&um=1&ie=UTF-8&hl=en&tbm=isch&source=og&sa=N&tab=wi&ei=bu_XTrnFA6ipsALB5rXhDQ&biw=1016&bih=582&sei=ce_XTq-uHIzsggehzqmVDw

I feel like automatic crossbows fall under the "gun" umbrella

Pretty sure most of those are not 'automatic'

bear in mind private ownership of any kinds of guns should be illegal

For better or for worse, that is something that will never happen in the US.

― M. White, Thursday, December 1, 2011 4:19 PM (2 minutes ago)

not in our lifetimes for sure, sucks i know

sorry I just meant "crossbows"

I don't actually know anything about crossbows, or guns

Though I am glad Innocent II sucessfully banned the crossbow in 1139.

xpost

They're not crossbows either, actually

well excuuuuuuse me

k3v are you a veg/vegan

They're just super fancy modern bows like this:

http://www.huntingfishingsouthtexas.com/wp-content/uploads/28_18_orig.jpg

arrow cocked + ready amirite

I'm sorry, there's a bow in that picture?

itt: things that should be illegal

I think I have that exact bow.

D, I just figured more ppl would give that bow a good looking over

guys I think 'gun etiquette' doesn't really roll off the tongue; how about we say 'guntiquette' you know just so we can save some time

Hartford, Gunetiquette

"gun etiquette" and "guntiquette" are two decidedly different things

one is a set of agreed-upon social mores for dealing with firearms, and one is a set of agreed-upon social moress for dealing with a butt in the front

Have we come to frontbottom so soon?

k3v are you a veg/vegan

― dayo, Thursday, December 1, 2011 4:25 PM (2 minutes ago)

no - ftr i'm not opposed to eating meat on principle and i don't think killing animals for food is wrong, but i am morally opposed to factory farming. i am trying to reduce the amount of meat i eat but i was a picky eater when i was younger and it's a process - i hope to be a veg in a couple years or so

fyi they dont kill the animals with guns in factory farming

of course not, anyone with sense would go for the unarmed ones

Not a traditional Amazon, I see.

(many x-posts later)

k3vin this thread is about gun etiquette not gun control.

imo apologizing is good enough, dude wasn't expecting you as you said.

fyi they dont kill the animals with guns in factory farming

― PROVEN BY BOOZE SCIENCE, Thursday, December 1, 2011 4:34 PM (5 minutes ago)

no shit, dayo's question wasn't about guns

k3vin this thread is about gun etiquette not gun control.

imo apologizing is good enough, dude wasn't expecting you as you said.

― sleeve sandbox, Thursday, December 1, 2011 4:39 PM (55 seconds ago)

well it was kind of a silly thread and we couldn't resist a little trolling on the subject, it's been too long

k3vin this thread is about gun etiquette not gun control.

imo apologizing is good enough, dude wasn't expecting you as you said.

I keep seeing this as the proper thing to do after you've shot someone for dropping in.

But it's pretty hilarious to be opposed to hunting since that's a far more natural life for most of the animals involved than even sustainable grassfed beef or w/e.

My moralism wrt hunting tends to have more to do with the state of mind of the hunter than with the fact that he's hunting

I don't hunt, and I know too many people who just set up near a feeder - but otoh all of them eat the venison. Most even eat wild boar when they hunt that.

I love wild boar, too. I love game, basically.

so guys did you solve guns yet

Etiquette requires that you shake hands with a shotgun, bow for a pistol, kneel to a rifle, curtsy to a cannon, kowtow to a blunderbuss and bow and scrape to a machine gun.

The guns are at the left of the plate. People get confused about which to use first, but just work from outside in (left to right). There may be an oyster gun on the right but it's much smaller than the others and easy to tell apart.

http://thelede.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/12/08/shots-reported-on-virginia-tech-campus/]

~guns~

sorry, didn't see this revive when I started new thread

it's okay I was being trolly when I bumped this one

do i curtsy before or after pulling the trigger

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yoU39Rpp4FI

it has been seven years RIP Dimebag

http://i.imgur.com/Fmkrk.jpg

i keep on thinking of this.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JGyJOX5wFFg

and with that, i will say that i have used some guns in my life, and am shooting with the Pink Pistols San Jose chapter this sunday. with my boyfriend.

Awesome!

Okay, so actual question. My 7-year-old went over to a friends house this weekend and the father let them watch as he picked off some targets in the backyard with a BB gun. Should the father have contacted my wife or myself to let us know? Or was it really no big deal?

If the father didn't let the kids handle the gun, and observed good gun safety rules while handling it himself -- setting a good example -- then I'd say no big deal.

idk man it depends on the targets, if there was substantial, actionable evidence suggesting they were terrorists then i guess it's fine?, but if it's just hearsay or some kind of ethnic profiling i think it could be setting a bad example

I think that is 100% regional context dependent. In Chicago "gun culture" is totally different than gun culture in, to use examples from places I've lived, NC or southern Delaware, where a bb gun is No Big Deal. Here, though, I could definitely see a lot parents having a fit about ANY exposure to guns. People just don't own guns in Chicago the same way they do in other places.

I told him to wait while I thought about how I felt about guns

― good webinar (ha ha I'm having a fantasy), Thursday, December 1, 2011 11:17 AM (1 week ago) Bookmark Permalink

lol

a bb gun? i'd say nbd. if said father was safe about it, sure. since it sounds like neither kid shot or even touched the gun, yeah ok.

the only quibble i guess is what kind of bb gun? there are spring-loaded ones that are very close to being toys (but not), and others that are pump or even CO2 charged shooting shaped pellets that can be a lot more dangerous. not to introduce more worry to your mynd.

I guess I was thinking about it from an ideological perspective rather than a safety one (although that would be my first concern). Lots of parents don't want their kids around guns (BB, toy) at all, so I would clear BB gun activity w/ parents because of that. But again - totally regional.

yes i have heard of these parents who do not allow toys with anything weapon-y at all. don't know what to say about that other than i am glad my parents were not like that.

lmao http://goo.gl/C92Fx

Thanks for the input guys. We aren't anti-weapon, but we are pro-safety. I'm not all busted up about it, but I still feel like I would have been totally cool with it if the dad had just called over and been like, "By the way, this is what's up..."

My wife is freaking out a little bit because before the kids interrupted him, the dad was using the bb gun to shoot squirrels for dinner. I think that's great and also somewhat hilarious; Lisa thinks it's terrible. We are two different types of vegetarian, I think.

http://www.cnn.com/2011/12/12/travel/gun-carryon-atlanta-airport/index.html

um

"I was grazed by a pellet fragment on the left side of my face," Phillips wrote. "However, there were no visible injuries; the pellet safely entered my brain without cosmetic damage."

yes i have heard of these parents who do not allow toys with anything weapon-y at all. don't know what to say about that other than i am glad my parents were not like that.

I was not allowed to have toy guns. But when I was in second or third grade, my dad taught me how to shoot an actual rifle. Also he used to stand on our back porch and shoot squirrels for dinner.

See, I think that's the ideal, correct attitude to teach your kids about guns. By the time I came into my son's life, he had already amassed a little arsenal of toys, so trying to start over again toy gun-less wasn't really in the cards.

how suburban was your home back when your dad used to shoot squirrels from the porch? My personal perceptions of how suburban/rural our neighborhood is factor into why I think it's sort of hilarious. : )

maybe you should start a thread about your perceptions of your neighborhood

ahhhhh, that came out all wrong. my point being that my town feels pretty suburban to me now. And I'm not at all bothered by the hunting of squirrels for meat. I think it's probably at least reasonable meat and I'd love to try it. But we all live on pretty small plots of land in our neighborhood, such that the discharging of a weapon in your backyard seems weird to me, is all.

entirely not meaning to stir up shit in the way that iatee implies, and if so. I'm sorry.

cool thread, toys shaped like weapons are the best but irl guns should be banned forever, even so, if a guy wants to chill with his guns out nbd it's just hat you have a substantially higher chance of dying in that house than in most houses

maybe you should start a thread about your perceptions of your neighborhood

― iatee, Tuesday, 13 December 2011 04:56 (7 hours ago) Bookmark Permalink

we should do this!, i have such a ridiculous ad-hom view of my neighbourhood (/town), i feel like the way you feel about a place exemplifies the kind of difficulty of separating your empirical experiences w/the fact that you still can't generalise about a place because you know like 0.001% of it & its inhabitants, and are usually judging it on the basis of very personal experiences

i.... don't think you can really kill a squirrel with a BB gun? sort of have to think he was using a .22

squirrels are fucking hard to shoot, btw, props to gun dad

although negative props for maiming squirrels with an underpowered firearm

how suburban was your home back when your dad used to shoot squirrels from the porch? My personal perceptions of how suburban/rural our neighborhood is factor into why I think it's sort of hilarious. : )

We lived in a housing development with tree-named lanes and a pool and a community center but plopped in the middle of rural swampland in southern Delaware (I had a loooong bus ride to school and it was a 15-20 minute drive to the grocery store). So not suburbs, since there was no urban area, but not really rural, either, since if my father aimed low, he would have taken out a neighbor's back window/cat/child. So yes, it was actually very hilarious (in hindsight. At the time it was awful because I hated squirrel and the whole endeavor drove my mom crazy).

xxp: Naw, you can kill small animals (maybe up to a squirrel?) with a bb gun. I think I would have heard a .22; this was right down the street.

xp: Okay, so that sounds like a similar dynamic as I've got here (just south of Annapolis, MD).

although negative props for maiming squirrels with an underpowered firearm

― his venerable escutcheon, Tuesday, 13 December 2011 13:22 (2 minutes ago) Bookmark Permalink

great sentence

xp probably very similar, especially given the proximity and shared swampiness!

http://dontevenreply.com/view.php?post=84

^^^^ best concealed weapons

it's p disturbing seeing that because when i saw the one about the cats - http://dontevenreply.com/view.php?post=95 - i was hoping that the pics had just been sourced from some astute google image searches. but like i guess he actually has a bunch of guns around. and cages.

The cage is a humane animal trap - v common.

ah okay. still though. the covering it in red sauce &c, & the having a bunch of guns. idk. maybe i should just be saluting the effort.

you should be saluting the stars and bars itt imo

My elementary school didn't care that I brought my pellet rifle to school for a 4th grade Thanksgiving play, circa 1990, along with one of my grandfather's pipes - kind of mind-boggling now, since either would probably get a kid in serious shit.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jfWzgzby_hM