OCCUPY SANDBOX

Head DC Health Inspector just said "As long as the protesters remain peaceful, there won't be any health issues that I can see."

What an interesting sentence.

peace = not littering.

http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2011/12/05/111205fa_fact_packer

this is good

anger is a filthy, disease-ridden energy

amber is the color of your energy

hi hoos I missed this thread

the folks here successfully dealt w/an overdose, paramedics came and dude survived.

flash mob stuff in the malls on Buy Nothing Day, one arrest that seemed almost like an accident.

our deadline is Dec. 15th, city council will have to vote for the camp to stay longer.

I mentioned this on ILXFB, but I am still sort of discombobulated by learning via the New Yorker that a 19-year-old art student I met at the Genius Bar in 2005 and fruitlessly pursued for two months is now one of the guiding forces and on-the-ground organizers of OWS. She is described as "dark-haired and eloquent."

aw troo love

I have actually always wanted to be notable enough to be profiled by a magazine, just so I could read the pithy description of my appearance and personality.

The NYT called me "doe-eyed and lugubrious". Wait. Nevermind. I dreamed that.

i'd describe you like that aimless, if i knew what lugubrious means.

has the Occupy dude that handed Obama the note been ID'd? He looked like such an ilxor.

wait I didn't hear about that

plz say the note said "Do you like me? select one: __ yes __ no __ maybe"

Did Obama go down there????

Being British, I have no idea what has been going on for like the past two weeks. I don't think there has even been a news story about St Pauls recently (which is bad; not liking this 'pretend it isn't happening and maybe it'll go away' non coverage.)

http://l3.yimg.com/bt/api/res/1.2/EHquz8poxsCqt1RBb5qDZg--/YXBwaWQ9eW5ld3M7cT04NTt3PTYzMA--/http://media.zenfs.com/en/blogs/theticket/obama-occupy-nh.jpg

good job Kingfish!

http://l1.yimg.com/bt/api/res/1.2/OQZQ3HMLmTP0aEuICs7fdQ--/YXBwaWQ9eW5ld3M7cT04NTt3PTYzMA--/http://media.zenfs.com/en/blogs/theticket/obama-occupy-note.jpg

I lol'd at "banksters"

Did Obama go down there????

Nah, it was while he was campaigning in New Hampshire.

how come he could spell "impunity" and not "amendment"

sorry I am focusing on trivialities

I keep thinking that says "Mr. Presidetn"

whoa that's great

was so fucking proud/jealous of occupy NH for the mic check, only mad cause we were supposed to do it first, dammit

i'm on the ed board of the newspaper now? and so like i'm trying to organize a punk benefit show for us and doing proofing of loopy articles?

good thing i wasn't tired or anything.

oh also a judge just rejected Citigroup's argument & concluded that it ~did~ knowingly mislead investors over CDOs in 2008

http://www.propublica.org/documents/item/judge-rakoff-rejection-of-citibank-settlement-with-sec

BIG UP THIS JUDGE

oh i'm gonna be on al-jazeera next week?

and in a greek documentary?

lol

the ny marchers showed up last week, fucking heroic. some buddhist monks & nuns came by and cared for their feet for a couple of days.

proud of a hoos

whoa hoos! is it another interview?

hoy, latest St Pauls/Occupy LDN news story is this 'un:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2011/nov/28/occupy-london-policy-vision-corporations

was down at bank of ideas yesterday, it seemed, you know, a nice space.

Where was Hoos on the Newshour segment on ODC?

Bam needs to be mike-checked EVERYWHERE. Notes are a waste of time.

xp to self

and of course there was the Observer's Occupy-themed gift guide: http://www.guardian.co.uk/lifeandstyle/gallery/2011/nov/27/christmas-present-ideas-protests#/?picture=382326416&index=0

http://gothamist.com/2011/11/28/occupy_earplugs_miley_cyrus_pens_eu.php

whoa hoos! is it another interview?

― iatee, Monday, November 28, 2011 6:36 PM (10 minutes ago) Bookmark Permalink

it's a panel, me and 3 or 4 of our people talking about what we're doing, plausible impact, and the influence of the arab spring. making sure to bring some of our free egypt connections.

wow!!!

"The S.E.C., of all agencies, has a duty, inherent in its statutory mission, to see that the truth emerges; and if it fails to do so, this Court must not, in the name of deference or convenience, grant judicial enforcement to the agency's contrivances."

http://www.businessinsider.com/must-read-judge-rakoff-delivers-brutal-takedown-of-both-the-sec-and-citigroup-2011-11

srsly u guys i love this man

wow that's great

i went to occupy LA last night for the first time in about a month. it was (we were told) the hugest turnout they'd had to date (over a thousand, easily) because mayor villaraigosa had announced his intentions to close down the plaza just after midnight. the GA sort of dissipated around 10:30pm and i went to the direct action group, where people were split off into those willing to be arrested and those who just wanted to lend support in case any shit went down. i tried carrying a sandbag from one part of the plaza to the other except it was super heavy and i'm a wimp. at about ten to midnight someone announced that the mayor released a statement saying he wasn't going to intervene until the crowd at the park thinned out a bit, but that only revved everyone up more.

i had work today so i tried leaving the plaza around 12:30am, only to find that cops were blocking off most of the intersections around the plaza and weren't letting anyone pass. sometime around 1am a police van came down 1st street to try to get to the plaza. protesters swarmed the van trying to block it and about ten minutes later i saw a stream of riot cops charge down 1st. there was some verbal confrontation but i didn't see any arrests or physical violence taking place. i managed to finally wend my way down around the south side of the park and made it to a friend's place nearby. didn't get home til 2:30am. the people i went with stayed until about 5:30am and apparently it was peaceful for the most part but i don't know what the plaza looks like at the moment. i did read about a few arrests that took place but it sounds like the cops refrained from using tear gas/bullets.

occupy LA: where even police bust-ups of protesters are super chill, brah

http://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2011/11/occupy-audio-the-soundscape-of-the-protests/249123/

^ my manz nate wrote this!

A revelation to set one's teeth on edge.

This is what the modern Greenspan-era Fed sees as its charter: making sure that banks are well-served and virtually guaranteed to make a profit, however sleazy their practises or reckless their actions become. The Fed has extensive regulatory powers, but the Fed board has precisely zero appetite for using them as evinced by the fact that it never does.

give it up guys

hoos

hey hoos

river wolf you are back never leave and also please be doctor river wolf now

doctorate in applied sassiness

omg river wolf how can i help u

occupy this knuck

~knucks~

did u buck?

oh knux were had

why

bcz bux

spirit flagging 2nite

found out mpd are now literally dropping just-released convicts at the square. when i heard nypd was doing this at z park i was able to stay sort of detached about it? like "ho ho, what an insidious and clever tactic, you rapscallions of the nypd!" but this really feels like the city i love just stabbed me in the stomach.

d-esc now instituting "three strikes" policy in hopes of curbing the rising instances of theft, medical tent was ransacked over the weekend (and two of our three main medics are ready to throw in the towel), the numbers of the mentally unstable have been increasing. some month and change ago i heard the other occupation was deliberately pushing out the homeless population that was encroaching on the camp because the homeless "didn't have the full understanding of (their) reasons for occupying" and i thought it was just a blinding display of said occ's short-sightedness & privileging of political expedience at the expense of a human ethic.

now, as their camp putters along quietly if staidly, i kind of wonder why that seemed like such a bad idea.

http://nymag.com/print/?/news/politics/occupy-wall-street-2011-12/

where's the rest of that

"OWS is the “rotten fruit of Obamaism,” says a strategist."

both the ny mag and new yorker article are the work of ppl who were there for an extended length of time sorta refreshing after 100000 'journalist visits zuccotti for 30 minutes, explains it to the world's

oh hmm let me try another link

yeah this and the nyer piece seem much more embedded than everything else i've read

they 'get it'

harkinson almost feels like 'one of us' by now, too much to really give me any perspective

http://nymag.com/news/politics/occupy-wall-street-2011-12/

btw iatee apparently the failure of the supercommittee was your fault

http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/the-supercommittees-13th-member-occupy-wall-street/2011/11/28/gIQAIC9C5N_story.html

^ seeing the occupy rhetoric in the comments section there is hope for me tbh

i wish i could shoot pepper spray out my dick

at copz

“It’s ironic. At first, people thought I was a Democratic Party mole. Now I’m like, ‘Fuck it, Let’s go after Obama!’ and they’re like, ‘Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa.’ ”

lol lol a friend of mine said these exact words the other night

could get you in trouble with the secret service if you phrase that poorly

esp in DC I mean

as the cops pour out of the ovens

the fact that he was elected, that so many people came out in the streets for him, that people cried when he won, was an expression of the fact that they wanted what they thought he was, which is an alternative. He wasn’t it. He can’t deliver it. This political system can’t deliver it. This economy can’t deliver it. But there are millions of people who genuinely want it. That’s amazing and inspiring to people like us, who are just, like, ‘Okay. This is for real.’ ”

^

Stellar nonsense from that washington post column linked above:

...would have raised taxes by $250 billion over 10 years by dramatically reducing the deductions and credits wealthier taxpayers could claim to reduce their tax liability

I love how a freaking measly $25 billion a year in reduced tax credits and deductions becomes a revolutionary proposal that 'raises taxes dramatically'. He must think his readers cannot actually read.

a HOOS or a iatee is there anything a dude can do while not occupy-ing? London is a hassle to get to for us country folk.

In other news I am thinking of doing a politics-based masters, because ambition to become a lolw* level civil servant is how a brother brings about change.

unconsious typo/fruedian slip, leaving it in there. was just supposed to be low, now is lol-w.

I was at "eviction night" at Occupy LA yesterday and took a bunch of photos: http://www.flickr.com/photos/quartzcity/sets/72157628198758577/

Stand off...

http://farm7.staticflickr.com/6117/6422165189_9fd564135d.jpg

Meta-viewing

http://farm7.staticflickr.com/6220/6422170183_50169796aa.jpg

FIRST AMENDMENT RIGHT IS NOT ???? ASSEMBLY

from that New York story, the arrival of Jesse Jackson:

But Jackson played humble, taking the seat next to Nurse, asking if he was welcome, waiting quietly for his turn to speak. Then, holding Nurse’s hand, he proceeded to unfurl a soliloquy in which he described the occupiers as inheritors of the mantle of the civil-rights movement. He talked about Martin Luther King’s Poor People’s Campaign, one of the last protests that MLK planned before his death. About Resurrection City, the shantytown on the National Mall that several thousand people populated in May and June of 1968. About how one advantage to having no identifiable leader is that “there’s nobody to assassinate.”

Jackson looked at Berger and asked, “What does Lyndon Johnson mean to you?” Berger shrugged. “The Vietnam War?”

Jackson folded his hands across his belly and declaimed, “Civil Rights Act of 1964—LBJ. The Voting Rights Act of 1965—LBJ. Medicare—LBJ. Medicaid—LBJ. Child Nutrition Act—LBJ. Jobs Corps—LBJ.”

lol:

http://dealbook.nytimes.com/2011/11/28/connecticut-asset-managers-win-254-million-powerball-lottery/

Really, dude?

And if Obama thinks that they’re gonna be able to divert this energy by talking about doing something, he’s got another think coming.”

yeah, but: http://www.phrases.org.uk/meanings/another-think-coming.html

yeah but lol, british ppl

with examples from the US, but don't let that stop you being a dick

'think' makes more sense if you 'think' about it but almost everybody says 'thing'

Yes, but it was (still is) one of those things that people that tut about 'people who cannot use the queen's english properly' will cite as being an example.

http://dealbook.nytimes.com/2011/11/28/at-top-colleges-anti-wall-st-fervor-complicates-recruiting/

http://janelanaweb.com/trends/david-graeber-the-american-empire-collapse-is-effectively-being-negotiated-both-internationally-and-within/

"The IMF was driven out of East Asia, out of Latin America, just as now it’s in the process of being driven out of the Middle East."

This claim seems dubious to me in multiple ways. I've been reading his book and he makes the same claim upfront, and there also doesn't seem to back it up (although he might nearer the end of the book?)

yeah I also had problem w/ that sentence, I think he might have too much invested in the 90s anti-globalization movement to talk about it objectively

aw antiglobalization movement miss u boo

he proceeded to unfurl a soliloquy in which he described the occupiers as inheritors of the mantle of the civil-rights movement. He talked about Martin Luther King’s Poor People’s Campaign, one of the last protests that MLK planned before his death. About Resurrection City, the shantytown on the National Mall that several thousand people populated in May and June of 1968. About how one advantage to having no identifiable leader is that “there’s nobody to assassinate.”

Jackson looked at Berger and asked, “What does Lyndon Johnson mean to you?” Berger shrugged. “The Vietnam War?”

Jackson folded his hands across his belly and declaimed, “Civil Rights Act of 1964—LBJ. The Voting Rights Act of 1965—LBJ. Medicare—LBJ. Medicaid—LBJ. Child Nutrition Act—LBJ. Jobs Corps—LBJ.”

― Lord Sotosyn, Tuesday, November 29, 2011 11:06 AM (5 hours ago) Bookmark Permalink

he gave us the same bit a few weeks ago and ppl were like visibly awed by him, it was weird

http://dealbook.nytimes.com/2011/11/28/connecticut-asset-managers-win-254-million-powerball-lottery/

Gah, this reminds me of the well-off attorney I know who just bragged on FB about having won a 100-person poker tournament with a $200 buy-in.

It's a good anecdote but I don't understand what it's doing in the story. Is it supposed to underscore the importance of using the political system? Show the ignorance of young people? Remind us how Jackson is overweight?

a HOOS or a iatee is there anything a dude can do while not occupy-ing?

― big popppa hoy, Tuesday, November 29, 2011 7:04 AM (9 hours ago) Bookmark Permalink

Join a working/discussion group remotely, spread the word online, read/learn about the issues involved with a little more than casual depth so you can talk about it with others, donate donate donate. O London is at http://occupylsx.org/?page_id=192

repost shit on fb and twitter

(constantly)

ahhhh ok my favorite dc band just reached out asking to play this benefit for the occupied wash times ahhhhh

a hoos would it be crass to point out that you are gonna be able to get an awesome job somewhere after this

http://jeffburk.files.wordpress.com/2010/01/crasslogo_font.png

^ A+

Occupy movement definitely needs more Crass in the soundtrack

http://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/opinion/2011/11/20111129151234836584.html

i'm really happy she's gotten so much shit for that bullshit article

ya but I think the bigger point goes beyond naomi klein - tons of people wanted to jump to 'national conspiracy' as soon as they heard about the mayors talking to each other. really that's just an unwillingness to deal w/ the more complicated issues.

like, maybe the chancellor of uc davis *isn't* part of a big national conspiracy, she was just a clueless person responding to the situation she's in by doing what she thought she was supposed to do a la stanford prison experiments etc.

Naomi WOLF

oops

whatever naomi klein coulda wrote that too

written, even

klein actually wrote one of the big-time rebuttals, we were calling the whole affair "the two naomis"

link?

It is usually best to concentrate on the actions and how ugly and wrong they are, than get involved in deciding who is evil and who is merely wrong-headed. When it comes to the public message, talk about deeds, not people.

Naomi Klein
NaomiAKlein Naomi Klein
Just doing my morning "I'm not Naomi f-ing Wolf" corrections. Love that half the people I have to correct r journos.
3 hours ago

haha

o, mi? na

lol

Tune in next week on "Know My Naomis" where we try to tell the difference between Naomi Campbell and Naomi Yang.

whassup my naomi

Palin’s op-ed in what Sirota called “the biggest altar of corporate worship in the entire capitalist cathedral” symbolizes that this brand of Conservative populism which has increasingly dominated American politics for the past three decades crescendoed with the Tea Party, realized it hit a dead end, and is now doing a U-turn. Why? Because Palin, the queen of the Tea Party and one of the most influential political bellwethers of past three years did the previously unthinkable: She demanded more regulation.

A major pillar of modern Conservatism is beginning to crumble.

http://open.salon.com/blog/liamodonoghue/2011/11/19/palins_flip-flop_on_regulation_means_occupy_is_winning

I dunno. That article concludes that those who fail to follow Palin's lead must be condemned to 'political irrelevance' and therefore will stampede to follow her new line, because they know she is the bellwether of the Tea Party flock. This seems like a mighty big stretch to me. The power equation just doesn't shift that simply.

http://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-snc7/312944_10150372888387134_528987133_8527431_44660032_n.jpg

Have we mentioned this one yet?

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2011/11/28/1040576/-Occupy-Rochester-helps-local-family-avoid-foreclosure

...In the past two weeks, numerous protests and actions were organized to support the Steidels in the fight to keep their home. An impromptu press conference was held just as Rochester Mayor Richards appeared, media in tow, to sign an agreement with Occupy Rochester for our right to camp 24 hours a day.

[...]

Occupy Rochester and publicly announced its intention to set up an encampment on the Steidel's front lawn to prevent the imminent eviction and draw media attention to the case. However, it never came to that. Harold and Maria received word that they had secured at 30-day suspension of the eviction notice....

While I don't know what the ultimate long-term value 30-day suspensions will have, just pushing it back 30 days to give you a chance to breathe and to plan seems like such a lifeline

How many North American camps are left, btw? When I left Quebec City last week, CBC had footage of the Calgary & Quebec camps getting evicted.

and the portland camp is going to try it again:

http://occupyportland.org/2011/11/28/saturday-december-3rd-march-occupation/

Saturday is also the day that several Santarchy/Santa Rampage events are going on in town, and something tells me the two will intertwince

i thought that cory robin blogpost was pretty otm, yeah, and a useful corrective against american cultural kneejerk anti-federal government sentiment grading into paranoia.

not sure if this Dec 6 preamble was posted:

http://occupywallst.org/article/december-6-occupy-wall-street-goes-home/

Join a working/discussion group remotely, spread the word online, read/learn about the issues involved with a little more than casual depth so you can talk about it with others, donate donate donate. O London is at http://occupylsx.org/?page_id=192

― HOOS aka driver of steen, Tuesday, 29 November 2011 17:04 (Yesterday) Bookmark Permalink

repost shit on fb and twitter

― iatee, Tuesday, 29 November 2011 17:06 (Yesterday) Bookmark Permalink

So basically what I am already doing, but without the donate part because lol 99%. Cool.

LA and Philly being simul-raided. Press blackout in LA, just heard a CBS anchor say "We're cutting away from that shot now to protect the integrity of the police operation taking place."

omg if i'm reading this right philly has emptied camp and started marching to "peacefully relocate"

the cops are flummoxed

lol

la just set off fireworks <33333333333333333333333333333333

12:30 See two livestreams from LA down the page, and another two livestream now just below, these two from Spencer Mills and PunkBoy, down from Oakland. Cops now on way. And here is aerial view from CBSNews.

shit like this makes me feel like i'm living in a william gibson novel

the cyberpunk future arrived and it's kind of mundane, really

https://docs.google.com/viewer?url=http%3A%2F%2Ffinance.nycga.net%2Ffiles%2F2011%2F11%2F10-28-financial-reportback2.pdf&docid=ff8db86fda6dc0d2a05854c058388583&a=bi&pagenumber=16&w=508

also whoa the nycga finance blog/monthly report is fucking awesome and our finance ppl need to see it stat

the LA UStream guy (crossxbones) talked to me when i was there on sunday and i didn't realize he was videotaping me until like halfway through. not that i said anything important or of interest

cops in hazmat suits moving in to dismantle the park encampments now

temperature check on a proposal that we rename the action committee "the faction committee"

all told almost 300 arrests in LA last night/this morning

http://a1.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/375520_10150488073003708_702603707_10635855_1445776571_n.jpg

buscemi for the 1%

The Declaration of Occupy DC, consented to tonight. Tomorrow is our two month anniversary.

The Declaration Committee, rightfully, is out drinking beers together.

cough

Prelude thread to the the thread about doing an ilx protest record

cough

Corporate interests threaten life on Earth by extracting and burning fossil fuels and resisting the necessary transition to renewable energy. Their drilling, mining, clear-cutting, overfishing, and factory farming destroys the land, jeopardizes our food and water, and poisons the soil with near impunity. They privilege polluters over people by subsidizing fossil fuels, blocking investments in clean energy and efficient transportation, and hiding environmental destruction from public oversight.

yessssssssssssssss.

one of the big things i still dont understand is whoever takes the first step and does it right will be loved as a massive job creator, revolutionise industry and have potential to make themselves a huge amount of money getting ahead of a market we are going to need for the next forever.

really have seen nothing about Zuccotti Park in the last 10 days in the NYC media, which is distressing. They need to reappear in the headlines next week.

Bloombagg calls the NYPD "my own army."

http://www.salon.com/2011/12/01/mayor_bloombergs_army/singleton/

Not even bothering to deny this shit anymore....

there's nothing particularly interesting to report on @ zuccotti

well, it'd be a good idea for a march or something else to make thing interesting (I guess this housing thing on the 6th might fill the bill).

there are marches every day, most just don't attract many people or much attention. tbh I think hardcore occupiers are just bogged down w/ logistics stuff right now. maybe there's gonna be a sustainable way to stick around and get press - there is a decent amount of money left (tho it's not gonna rain in at the same rate) and already a rented office. will there be anything as large as the times sq rally in the future? I'd bet on no, but it's worth noting that all the huge rallies had v. v. heavy union involvement = top-down planning.

so if the unions wanted to do more big events w/ the OWS stamp of approval (which anyone can really grab) that's a possibility for coming months

http://www.thecrimson.com/article/2011/12/1/occupy-goldman-recruiting/

Instead, the bank was simply one actor out of many, and certainly doesn’t fit the role of super villain as well as the Occupy Harvard folks imagine it does. For example, an excellent argument could be made that the millions of Americans who took on mortgages beyond their means are equally responsible as a group for the financial meltdown. Certainly, the 1999 repeal of the Glass-Steagall Act also figures prominently in our nation’s pre-crisis financial instability. It would be convenient if we could easily paint Goldman Sachs as the evil enemy of the 99 percent, but it’s more complicated than that.

someone please burn this school down

iatee/hoos/whoever - how are you guys coping w/ the fact that winter be coming/has come? living in a tent must suck if/when the cold weather really hits.

people aren't living in tents in ny anymore because zuccotti was cleared out by bloomberg. I think a lot of people have gone home, others are staying at churches + other random places. there's been a relative warm-weather spell lately but I'd be surprised if there's anyone sleeping outside by jan.

so y'all are just occupying in spirit?

during business hours

more and more these last couple of weeks i've been hearing the words "occupy 2.0," people asking "what do we do next?"

i'm still pushing for us to basically

http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/41VE%2BcqFW4L._SL500_AA300_.jpg

^ top down organization

yes and no: like the ezln & their good government communities, there's a tension at play when there's a military command structure for a force designed to protect a group of non-hierarchical community-run initiatives, but as the hilliard book makes clear, these were programs run by the people themselves.

and i mean its basically a cookbook in how to make this shit happen--our committees can do this.

I think ows is so different from previous movements, mostly due to the media+internet, that it's dangerous to compare it to / model it on anything. and I think if ows 2.0 is gonna be a success, it's gonna have to be radically different in the same way.

imo that prob suggests something that 'exists' online more than irl but remains capable of mobilizing and achieving things w/ tangible end results

plus lotsa Panthers got shot

and put on trial

it's dangerous to compare it to / model it on anything

Looking for analogies from the past as a guide is just plain smart, if it is done well. But you can't just stop once you've identified the commonalities; you have to go on and identify the differences and what they mean in terms of different opportunities and directions. Slavish adherence to past experience just repeats old mistakes and adds new ones.

that Hilliard book is dope btw

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2N1g3Xps68g&

my old boss's boss's boss's boss

"I'm so scared of this anti-Wall Street effort. I'm frightened to death," said Frank Luntz, a Republican strategist and one of the nation's foremost experts on crafting the perfect political message. "They're having an impact on what the American people think of capitalism."

SUCCESS

http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/ticket/republicans-being-taught-talk-occupy-wall-street-133707949.html

lol at the 'wonderful distribution' amongst mexican drug cartels.

that list is so gross

i like how "one of the nation's foremost experts on crafting the perfect political message"'s answer to "people are starting to dislike this word" is once again "quick replace it with 'freedom'!" can i get paid to do this too pls

i love that it got out though, it's like getting a seminar in lightsaber fighting from darth vader

did i really just say that

is it possible Luntz is frontin'? where was that said?

Tell them, "You shouldn't be occupying Wall Street, you should be occupying Washington. You should occupy the White House because it's the policies over the past few years that have created this problem."

lol, THE OCCUPY MOVEMENT IS DOING THIS ALREADY!

also "hmmm"

lol, THE OCCUPY MOVEMENT IS DOING THIS ALREADY!

― superb mario bothers (crüt) (step hen faps), Thursday, December 1, 2011 9:40 PM (33 minutes ago) Bookmark Permalink

dude with an "#occupyDC" column in tweetdeck i CAN NOT TELL YOU how often i see this line

is it possible Luntz is frontin'? where was that said?

― Dr Morbius, Thursday, December 1, 2011 9:36 PM (38 minutes ago) Bookmark Permalink

The Republican Governors Association met this week in Florida to give GOP state executives a chance to rejuvenate, strategize and team-build. But during a plenary session on Wednesday, one question kept coming up: How can Republicans do a better job of talking about Occupy Wall Street?
"I'm so scared of this anti-Wall Street effort. I'm frightened to death," said Frank Luntz, a Republican strategist and one of the nation's foremost experts on crafting the perfect political message.

I doubt Luntz is fronting otoh is he really stupid enough to let the press in on such a seminar without thinking about how it will play...? (ans: maybe)

Well I've always wondered abt him bc he does those bits in the Colbert report. This list looks like the outcomes of the focus groups he does with Colbert.

I feel like he's basically saying that it doesn't matter if we see behind the curtain because that's how effective it is to say "careers" instead of "jobs"

occupy boston: sonned over a sink beef?

they good ppl

WeHo LGBTs marching Saturday

http://joemygod.blogspot.com/2011/12/saturday-weho-lgbt-99-march.html

aaaand now OccupySF has devolved into what I expected it would: a large homeless camp

awesome

24hr event apparently underway in times square

http://a8.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/s320x320/384928_2741065892319_1427583604_2990990_1872315940_n.jpg

http://www.foreignaffairs.com/articles/136402/george-packer/the-broken-contract

hunger strike across the street from my office. Guess I won't eat my lunch on the benches facing these guys.

http://occupywallst.org/article/ows-hunger-strike-new-outdoor-occupation/

that wells fargo mic check is so good. so stirring. when the applause comes in though, is that people applauding the sentiment of the mic check or the fact that they're being thrown out?

think it's the latter :/

worth reposting

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S8ePZHSOmvQ

the occupy k st livestream is terrifying right now

wha happen?

I just see a lot of hoodies

they built a big temporary wooden structure/shelter overnight; park police came in and gave them orders to dismantle it, eventually cordoned it off, and began arresting people. there were a couple dozen people inside/atop the structure when the stream went out, and there's some sort of standoff ongoing afaik - the last shot you saw on the stream was of a bunch of cops trying to pull pieces of the building down and the cameraman falling/getting pushed over

http://twitpic.com/7ocvl2

arrests are starting now

Why the cockshit did they try to build a ferchrisakes barn?

fucking shit you guys

what a fucking day

all told there were 31 arrests, about half of which were people inside the ~occubarn~ and half of which were people who crossed police lines to get food & other supplies to those inside. cops tried to tackle my friend rooj when someone gave her bread, but she twisted out of her jacket and got away. mike was hit with the tazer pins, but at the last moment the officer who fired the tazer *didn't* send through the electric shock. mike has a heart murmur, and it could have fucked him up something fierce. the last guy clinging to the structure was named david, and as the cherry picker & 5 other cops worked over half an hour to wrangle him down the crowd started chanting "david beats goliath! david beats goliath!" so that was kinda cool.

i'm a little bit annoyed by the whole affair, honestly, because as i recall when we consented to this project in GA it was on the understanding that if we were asked to take it down we would do so in order to protect the camp at large. in the heat of the moment the opposite happened. still, though, media team worked to frame this on-message, and i think we did well. cnn & the times running with the themes we worked in the release--"we built this structure to shelter ourselves, but also to highlight the systematic dismantling of services for the poor. we thank the park police for helping us fully realize this piece of theater by tearing it down with a bulldozer." the times even quoted part of the release, and it was a little surreal to see my own writing in the fucking times.

my man

hoos, you're the fucking man, in case you didn't know

xp

I echo that sentiment. Well fucking played.

well done, hoos

thx guyz but i just wrote some shit & tweeted--i spent my evening hugging the people who'd gotten arrested and released.

also david shuster rolled though to give daps to our livestreamer for his impressive reporting from the front line; easily a half dozen people found him and said "your commentary on this stream is the reason i came out here."

oh also i went to a positive force meeting (!!) on saturday and got some emails for people who want to help promote this punk show i'm organizing at the square, including possibly "the dc punk vegan" ie ian mackaye.

my man adrian just liked a comment i made on fb, so i guess he's out of jail. lol.

damn what's the big homie shuster up to these days

BIG SHUS

o i see he works for current.tv -_-

lol big shus

hoos, how is friend w/ heart issues?

also ~hugz~

he's good! he's an iraq war vet, sturdy as fuck, he was just concerned about the effect a tazing might have had on his heart murmur.

as one would

solidarity hoos

*lifts fist*

one of the highlights of this whole thing has been the realization a few weeks into it that we weren't doing that ironically anymore </tumblrwhite>

also david shuster rolled though to give daps to our livestreamer for his impressive reporting from the front line; easily a half dozen people found him and said "your commentary on this stream is the reason i came out here."

that dude was incredible all day

in general i think you guys are doing a great job of media and community relations - yeah, there are gonna be assholes saying "the first amendment doesn't say anything about FREEDOM OF PLYWOOD amirite" but kst's messaging hasn't really been amorphous or didactic at all (and working with agents like positive force is only gonna strengthen/legitimize kst to the dc community)

and i realize there are a lot of reasons why kst never really got confrontational before this, but don't think for a second that the media work you're doing isn't one of them

(although this all would have been a lot funnier if it had happened the day BEFORE i had to endure a night of hanging out with matt ygl3sias at some party)

yo as someone1 who is ostesibly on ys side where is this bad mattyglesisas article?

HOOS do you have a twitter handle, I would totally follow / retweet that shit.

@thebibandit

good goin i saw about 5 mins of the afternoon standoff

btw, Naomi Klein on why climate change is (as the righty nuts fear) the key to upending the corpo-capitalism state

http://www.thenation.com/article/164497/capitalism-vs-climate

HOOS do you have a twitter handle, I would totally follow / retweet that shit.

― Simon H., Monday, December 5, 2011 3:06 AM (6 hours ago) Bookmark Permalink

i am @hoosteen

btw, Naomi Klein on why climate change is (as the righty nuts fear) the key to upending the corpo-capitalism state

http://www.thenation.com/article/164497/capitalism-vs-climate

― Dr Morbius, Monday, December 5, 2011 4:27 AM (3 hours ago) Bookmark Permalink

this is the one thing i am just terminally pessimistic about; i think that after a few billion of us have died we'll come out the other side a different and better-educated race, so that's gonna be fine, but why anyone thinks we're gonna break six-thousand-year-old habits before the mass suffering when most people can't even quit smoking i have no idea

like if you think heroin's hard to kick before you hit bottom try Extraction

sadly I agree

well this might cost some rich people money, for one

yeah I think climate change is gonna have some really unexpected effects on things like distribution and supply chains (i.e. Thai flooding) and it may give capitalism a good kick when it's already down

(which, unfortunately, probably translates into famine as dlh was saying, but oh well)

yeah i think once stuff really starts happening (to sufficiently pink people) we will do all kinds of inspiring stuff! just not now.

How many poor people should drown in rising oceans?

livy says there's only two ways civilizations learn, from their own mistakes and others', and he's not sure about the second one. with this thing we don't even have the mistakes of others! unless you count like easter island.

and who counts easter island

anyway though, that naomi article is really good and this as far as i'm concerned is totally otm and The Point of the whole ows thing:

It is not the job of a transformative social movement to reassure members of a panicked, megalomaniacal elite that they are still masters of the universe—nor is it necessary. According to McCright, co-author of the “Cool Dudes” study, the most extreme, intractable climate deniers (many of them conservative white men) are a small minority of the US population—roughly 10 percent. True, this demographic is massively overrepresented in positions of power. But the solution to that problem is not for the majority of people to change their ideas and values. It is to attempt to change the culture so that this small but disproportionately influential minority—and the reckless worldview it represents—wields significantly less power.

http://i42.tinypic.com/2ypiyxz.jpg

#winning

YES

http://p.twimg.com/Af7N30pCAAAa_8y.jpg:large

ahahahahahah

lego make such convincing asshole-riot-cop figurines

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-12-05/advice-from-1-committee-lever-up-drop-out-commentary-by-michael-lewis.html

lego ppl are in general kindof assholish

http://motherjones.com/politics/2011/12/occupy-our-homes-wall-street-squatters-foreclosures

at a crust punk cafe and overheard a dude with a huge occupy the world thing pinned to his jacket talking about FEMA camps and stuff

more on foreclosure action in Brooklyn:

http://www.salon.com/2011/12/06/live_from_occupy_east_new_york/

this would be funny if it wasn't so shamefully dishonest/disingenuous

While the story lacks specifics on whether he invested the money in a herd of sheep or a hedge fund, we do know that he made his gain by engaging in business transactions of some sort. He used a free market system to bring a tenfold return on investment. No doubt such a return took a lot of diligent, dedicated effort.

http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2010/images/05/31/tzleft.perkins.jpg

The first "National GA" (which, my soul full of love, was affectionately referred to as OCCUPY VOLTRON) was tonight at the foot of the Washington monument, a couple hundred people from occupations around the country (the likes of Honolulu, Anchorage, Miami, Austin, LA, Wall Street, Atlanta, Duluth, Boston, and on some more), facilitated by an interoccupation team from Boston, LA, DC, and Houston.

It was really more a spokescouncil than a GA--effectively a series of greetings & reportbacks from those present--but it was still an inspiring thing to be a part of. Afterward everybody was invited back to McPherson Square to party. And tomorrow, with everybody's help, will be a fine and busy day: http://occupydc.org/wednesday-day-of-action-occupiers-unite/

Yipeekiyay.

oh and--an amazing embedded-all-day-with-the-Barn story on Wired: http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2011/12/occupy-dc-barn/

OCCUPY VOLTRON OMG

East New York is not very far from me!! I could have/would have been part of that if it weren't on a Tuesday. :(

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/​news/worldnews/northamerica/​usa/8936759/​Occupy-Wall-Street-protester-ge​ts-job-on-Wall-Street.html

one of my fb friends - a 20 y/o who now apparently owns his own recording studio because his dad bought him a recording studio - linked this. sitting on my hands because his sister is one of my good friends, but,

Radiohead and Massive Attack play at Occupy London Christmas party
http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/video/2011/dec/07/occupy-london-massive-attack-radiohead

one of my fb friends - a 20 y/o who now apparently owns his own recording studio because his dad bought him a recording studio - linked this. sitting on my hands because his sister is one of my good friends, but,

― iatee, Wednesday, December 7, 2011 10:24 AM (53 minutes ago) Bookmark Permalink

i'd really, really, really love to get her thoughts on the last couple of comments her nice new bosses made about her apparent lack of intelligence

they probably sound something like this "I enjoy being able to pay my rent"

But before that could happen, some occupiers defied the military by mounting an American flag upside down

What total fucking retards.

Sorry about the r-word. But fuck!

It's a distress signal.

I'm not sure where you're referring to, but that's the signal for "distress", isn't it?? I thought that was done before, cad referenced it from one of his protests iirc.

Yeah, distress like "people are in danger", not as in "I'm in a park on a barn".

the job is a publicity stunt and the "firm" is barely there: http://dealbreaker.com/2011/12/former-occupy-wall-street-protester-can-sleep-at-night-knowing-few-people-would-recognize-her-new-firm-as-being-on-wall-street/

Phew good thing none of us are lost at sea and within moments of drowning. Hey someone should tell those protesters that America is safe and they can go home now.

People should tell the protesters to use an ounce of common sense.

haha thanks sterl, using that link w/ record studio dude

Yeah, distress like "people are in danger", not as in "I'm in a park on a barn".

― rusty flathead screwdriver, Wednesday, December 7, 2011 11:37 AM (7 minutes ago) Bookmark Permalink

have you like, ever heard of the flag being """""""""""symbolic"""""""""""

People should tell the protesters to use an ounce of common sense.

http://i107.photobucket.com/albums/m318/HyperonicX/Other/OldManYellsAtCloud.jpg

It's deeply symbolic to lots of potential OWS sympathizers.

Like, fucking with the American flag isn't going to cause the people I know who are conflicted about OWS to dust off their lit crit skills and really think about it.

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_Plr3VyISKcg/RgkCYdXuc5I/AAAAAAAAACs/z5Z6l3nVVMM/s400/protester%2Bpoops%2Bon%2BAmerican%2BFlag%2BGI.JPG

And why are you more concerned about an anecdote where two of our veterans hung it upside down than the moment where cops tore it down and trampled it in the mud?

xp

literally anyone in america can show up and 'be a protester' and that means some stupid shit is gonna happen sometimes

finally, performance artist Spank gets to do his thing

xxp: because that's not in the article, hoos.

My friend Michael has fucking PTSD after he worked in Iraq as an interrogator. He knows what the fuck an upside down flag means.

Like, fucking with the American flag isn't going to cause the people I know who are conflicted about OWS to dust off their lit crit skills and really think about it.

Maybe they could dust off their knowledge of the flag code if they're so concerned about it.

http://distilleryimage8.instagram.com/4249a4b020f811e1a87612313804ec91_7.jpg

why, i think that's some kind of tent in the middle of k street

christ some of the glassdoor reviews of jtf are awesome (i'd take this to the wall st. thread but it isn't on the sandbox):

"Compensation's a joke until you get through the training program, as the training salary won't even cover rent and unless something's changed you hand over ALL your leads till you reach a certain quota, then they start you on opening accounts and you hand over ALL of them until your reach another quota. My advice: you'll know pretty quickly whether this firm is for you. If not, and you have other options, go elsewhere. Otherwise be prepared to burn through your savings (including several hundred for your 7/63 books and whatever you need to live during the wholly unpaid study period) and pray you land a whale if/once you get started on your own book.

In short, it's like living in Boiler Room without the FBI showing up. They are scrupulous about staying within the letter of the law but if you're not right for the company you won't know until you take the job. If you are, I wish you the best and hope you make money hand over fist. On a lighter note, be prepared for all-day CNBC and reruns of war movies set in ancient Greece or Rome. Not much else is gonna play on those screens."

"$300/week to start with no benefits but that's standard, so have money saved or expect to live like a homeless person for 3-6 months. 16+ hour workdays can be expected and you must be in on Saturday until you start rolling in big money for the firm. Say goodbye to everyone you've ever loved. If you are not 100% committed, you will fail. Best case scenario as a junior broker is that you open 10 accounts, you aren't fired on the 9th account, and you start opening your own book of business.

Lead management has megalomaniacs that are at times overbearing with threatening rants. Some of the broker teams have zero intellectual capacity for fundamental/technical analysis, and simply follow aggressive scripted pitches. If you are placed with these teams, adapt and expect to churn and burn like them, because they will not let you create your own style of pitching. If your team lets you, do your own due diligence or you may spend more time trying to retain clients after massive losses rather than raising money from them."

"A lot of people on the internet bash John Thomas Financial, calling it a boiler room and what not. It is NOT a boiler room, anywhere you go to become a broker, you will have to make cold calls, of course unless you already know 20 millionairs who are willing to dish over there hard earned money to you (and whoever knows that many millionairs, are rich themselves and come from wealthy families and live off daddy til there 35, and take over all his money once he passes away)"

I'd almost feel bad for ppl at JT Marlin JTF if you didn't have to be a huge schmo to consider such a job in the first place.

Also, apparently, they hire pretty much anyone.

oh hai we're in yr lobbying-legislative nexus pitchin our tentz

http://storage.phnxapp.com/1496-CIMG0030jpg-1323279122-normal.jpg

ok, one more on JTF and I'm done: http://800notes.com/Phone.aspx/1-212-299-7859

Totally amazing, but takes a few pages in to get really wild (murder trial, sec investigation...). Feels like a draft a a george saunders story or something.

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=john+thomas

Big Union and a few anarchists are really messing up K Street right now #ows — @mainer23482 via Twitter

annoyed, hoping k street protesters can wrap up before rush hour. being a pain in the ass isn't gonna win you any fans. #occupymycommute — @ASchach via Twitter

This Occupy thing is getting in the way of my lunch plans... :-/ | RT @timcraigpost: 14th street now closed at K street #occupydc — @AnnaCloeter via Twitter

I hope all of the #occupydc protesters get a nasty cold for playing all day in the rain. — @stefanle via Twitter

Really upset with #occupydc. I WANTED to sign on to your movement, but seeing what you've done renders you completely useless. GO HOME. — @AaronMoFoFrench via Twitter

people are the greatest

can't be stopped can't be tamed

an easy commute home via traffic-free streets is a basic american right and you are taking it away from them

k st, renowned for its swiftly-moving afternoon traffic

all those poor lobbyists trying to get home at 2 in the afternoon

ha mike just got arrested ~again~

can't be stopped can't be tamed

Hoos, just remember that most americans's would subscribe to the observation of Sam Rayburn: "any jackass can kick a barn down, but it takes a carpenter to build one."

You have to offer something constructive, other than anger and wilding around in the streets or most of america will tune you out.

what, they built a barn like yesterday

Yeah, get busy with that.

OccupySF now basically defunct btw. police raided it this morning after the camp couldn't agree on whether to move to a different location in the Mission that the mayor had offered. Cops complained that the people they had been dealing with were no longer in the camp and that the camp was now mostly homeless people.

sounds like occupysf should just change its name to 'sf'

k st, renowned for its swiftly-moving afternoon traffic

― screwy lobsters and mice blights (govern yourself accordingly), Wednesday, December 7, 2011 1:55 PM (37 minutes ago) Bookmark Permalink

Dozens of commuter bus routes use K St. as a major part of their downtown drop-off route. I take a bus that picks up from K. St on Tuesdays and Thursdays. I leave early on those days to pick up my kids from my wife who is in community college. I don't work for a lobbying firm.

There's this obvious temptation for the ows to devolve into playing cat-and-mouse games with the cops, as if tweaking the cops's noses will somehow translate as sticking it to the oppressors. But for those standing outside the hijinks, they look like foolish games, not polticial acts, because the cops are mostly irrelevant to the most basic concerns of the 99%.

^^^

old ppl itt

Lots of people who ride into DC work for non-profits and government agencies and even like, construction jobs and shit. Some people start work at 6 in the morning and get off at 2. Disrupting traffic is really lame.

xp otm

Gotta agree here. Although personally I could care less about blocking traffic, it just never seems to play out well in the media. It's not tactically astute.

You have to offer something constructive, other than anger and wilding around in the streets or most of america will tune you out.

― Aimless, Wednesday, December 7, 2011 2:23 PM (13 minutes ago) Bookmark Permalink

agree completely--that's why i'm part of the outreach committee that's working with established dc activist & community service groups to build their capacity with our personpower, and why i've volunteered hours of my time in our kitchen feeding the homeless from franklin square, and why i work to organize teach-ins on people's rights.

the strength of direct action is that the activity is metaphor for the message, and that reporting the activity itself makes the message inescapable: occupy k street, home of the lobbying pipeline that transfers money from wall street into the coffers of our legislators. it shouldn't be all we do, and it isn't, but it ~is~ what gets cameras on us despite my best efforts to get them into our other initiatives.

xp
yeah, i'm old. check back with me in about 20 years iatee and tell me what you accomplished with ows and how you feel baout it then. as soon as ows starts to look like boys pursuing fun and games through lawbreaking, you've lost and you may as well pull up stakes and go live at home with your parents.

keep up the great job you're doing, hoos. thx. i appreciate how you insert your good sense into your actions.

xxp- hoos just admit once and for all that this is nothing but a matter of yr personal vendetta against the 16Y

One of my uncles was a Brown Beret when he was my age, and my mom (visiting this week) told me that he's been calling her excitedly all the time "living vicariously through your posts on Facebook." Said Uncle has always been one of my heroes, and it basically made my heart blow up to hear this.

getting - and keeping - media attention is difficult and old ppl progressives on the internet (including basically everyone on ilx except morbs) were pretty cynical about early OWS methods and the people involved. I'm not gonna defend every single way people go about this and I don't think I need to (tho blocking traffic is an inherent good regardless).

posts very much in character

I like this new crankier iatee.

iatee, clue me in when you have some kids that you have to pick up and I'll stop by and tie your shoelaces in a knot.

thanks guys I'm taking notes for the GA: "make sure the revolution inconveniences nobody, ever"

I must assume you were distracted and not paying attention. Luckily, we wrote it all down for you.

thanks I will help you open up ms word later

blocking traffic is an inherent good?

really?

remember who you're talking to

I just usually think of things like "people not getting killed" or "people getting fed" or "people having a job" as being inherent goods, was not aware of the dastardly evil that is moving from one place to another on a public thoroughfare.

again, remember who you're talking to

http://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/rudy4.jpg

wtf iatee, get outta your bubble. Inconveniencing struggling single parents who happen to depend on cars will not help your media image.

you heard em hoos, let the struggling single parents through

take the Metro, have fewer kids.

sarcasm won't help your image either xp

sarcasm is an inherent good regardless

^ posts very much in character

I tend to think of it more as a service

Morbs I agree with u but telling that to someone who already lives in the wrong (car-dependent) place with two kids and an underwater mortgage is not exactly a selling point.

sell the extra kid to Newt Gingrich, he'll find a job for him

not if he's brown-skinned.

ha

Morbs I agree with u but telling that to someone who already lives in the wrong (car-dependent) place with two kids and an underwater mortgage is not exactly a selling point.

do you honestly think this is a good description of the average person in a car on k-street

no, bur it is a good description of the several irl people I have seen alienated from protest movements b/c of poorly-conceived tactics like randomly blocking public traffic.

not that I agree w/ those people writing off a whole movement based on isolated tactics or whatever, but based on my experience blocking traffic (in specific) seems to be very alienating to friends of mine who don't share my radical views.

breaking windows, that's a bit more of a tossup. people go either way.

that's interesting.

break my window and I'll run you over with my V8 engine SUV.

ON MY WAY TO PICK UP MY KIDS ABLOO ABLOO ABLOO

a broad cross-section ofc people utilize the k st. corridor on the daily. i mean, there are bad people who work there doing awful things to america, but it's not the lexis parade of sneering powerlords that you're imagining iateedawg.

Though for the record I spent a Friday afternoon rush hour noting cars & there was a preposterously high number of Jaguars & Beamers.

Every time I see this thread, I think of my cats

unless all of the Bimmers you saw were 5 Series, I'd guess a good number of them were an income bracket below all of the Jags you saw

Lots of people who ride into DC work for non-profits and government agencies and even like, construction jobs and shit. Some people start work at 6 in the morning and get off at 2. Disrupting traffic is really lame.

― rusty flathead screwdriver, Wednesday, December 7, 2011 12:40 PM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Permalink

you're concern-trolling for people you don't even know based on no evidence. either way, americans feeling righteously entitled to smoothly flowing car traffic as a basic right* is going to face some serious challenges in the future from all kinds of fronts and is basically untenable.

(and of course this ALWAYS depends on what is the cause of the not-smoothly-flowing traffic. police checkpoint: legitimate. protesting: not legitimate.)

xp oh do tell us more, k-street expert and capn-save-a-single-parent.

americans feeling righteously entitled to smoothly flowing car traffic as a basic right*

this is just such a bizarre and wrongheaded statement

I'm concern-trolling for myself and the people I ride the bus with, dickwad.

OMG WORKING PEOPLE DON'T WANT TO GET HASSLED BY THEIR BOSSES FOR BEING LATE? THE NERVE! etc

this is just such a bizarre and wrongheaded statement

^^^

I hate cars. I don't drive to work. I take the bus - which uses city streets. Streets have long existed as the central organizing principle of urban space since well before cars were invented. people living/working in cities should absolutely feel entitled to using streets to get from one place to another, regardless of what vehicles are being used. I am a hardcore fan of public space, they are there for everybody to use, and they are funded by everybody for a reason.

poor working people get screwed no matter what. protesting in visible public places is too important a tactic to give up because it "causes" traffic. minimizing problems for the powerless along the way is important, but reaching out with real goals/vision-for-the-future-type-stuff for us and the less-fortunate-than-we-are is more important than worrying about inconveniencing and omigod alienating some people. they were either asking to be alienated in the first place or you aren't doing a good enough job reaching out in other ways.

xp not talking about "streets as public thoroughfare," talking about "i was 15 minutes late and my boss was an asshole about it."

how dare OWS make me late to the job i hate so i can live paycheck to paycheck

they were either asking to be alienated in the first place

might wanna think about how successful this kind of rhetoric is in attempting to build a broad-based movement

and I'm not arguing against protesting in public spaces - that is also what they are for! - I was irritated by iatee saying that blocking traffic IN AND OF ITSELF is a good thing. it's not.

I think it's pretty obvious that Occupy is past the point where overly combative/rhetoric tactics are going to win them any support

ugh i'm getting into an armchair argument i have no business being in and afaict HOOS does an awesome job of it day in and day out. what can i say, i'm in a people-suck Dr-Morbius type of mood, or a people suck Dr Morbius type of mood, whatever.

xpost oh yeah i don't think blocking traffic is inherently good at all.

that's what ppl were objecting to/mocking, it kind of had nothing to do with OWS

I hate cars. I don't drive to work. I take the bus - which uses city streets. Streets have long existed as the central organizing principle of urban space since well before cars were invented. people living/working in cities should absolutely feel entitled to using streets to get from one place to another, regardless of what vehicles are being used. I am a hardcore fan of public space, they are there for everybody to use, and they are funded by everybody for a reason.

I'm 'not gonna get into this' but the distribution of public space in a place like DC in the past 100 years has shifted radically towards 'cars and parking merit 80% of a street's width. it is, very much, a zero-sum game and one that isn't unrelated to OWS stuff as much of the country simply has no appropriate space to 'occupy' because most places don't have shared streets or very visible/centralized public spaces. that's one reason why it's much more feasible to protest in a european city and ps, they block traffic there too it just doesn't put the whole country into crisis mode.

OWS didn't fuck up downtown traffic nearly as badly as the White House xmas tree lighting ceremony did last week. WHERE'S THE OUTRAGE???

at least Obama's visits to NYC to raise millions from the 1% drive ppl out of midtown

oh man i died has died

can somone please put anonymous' corny ass news reports with guy fawkes masks to bed? because really, turning reality into some kind of cartoony sci-fi max headroom shit makes the message CHEEZ AS FUCK.

when we're getting live reports from the ground from "unknownvector" and "circleApunk" i'd say reality is already pretty sci-fi

Occupy Snowcrash

thinking more

http://craphound.com/littlebrother/littlebrotheruk.jpg

boston set to get evicted (again) tonight

Yeah, watching those Anonymous video communiques makes me feel like I'm on a Johnny Mnemonic ride at a theme park, which isn't an entirely unpleasant sensation, to be honest. But probably not super helpful in terms of getting across the seriousness of what's in that defense bill.

ha cory doctorow just tweeted "this is like a lost chapter from 'little brother,' except it actually happened: http://myoccupylaarrest.blogspot.com/2011/12/my-occupy-la-arrest-by-patrick-meighan.html "

^^ just forwarded that link to my siblings to read. Worth the time.

http://nymag.com/daily/intel/2011/12/nyu-offering-occupy-wall-street-classes.html
vs.
http://nyulocal.com/on-campus/2010/08/18/nyu-has-highest-student-debt-in-the-nation/

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Law and Order Special Victims Unit has set up a replica of the occupation of Zuccotti Park at nearby Foley Square for a new episode.

#lol

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Yup! Law and Order built us a new home, so we're moving in! See you all at Foley Square! Stay cool; treat it like it's ours. #Mockupy #d9

hahahahahah paging baudrillard

"They've delivered us this perfectly wrapped Xmas present with a bow on top.They rebuilt our camp. How could we not go and take it?"

meanwhile in boston

http://distilleryimage3.instagram.com/58a17222222111e19896123138142014_7.jpg

http://www.livestream.com/occupyboston

here we go

feels like a lifetime ago that i did this the first time

livestream: easily over a thousand people

http://yfrog.com/nxptfezj

@c_________ now
Going out the way I came in- defending my media tent. #OccupyBoston

my fuckin girl

there's a marching band playing "which side are you on"

@diymediadotnet ·More
So two guys livestreaming from their phones run into each other at #occupyboston. "We just exploded the Internet," says one in greeting.

@nicoles ·More
Chants of "NYPD does not respect law and order!" as cops rush in. #mockupy
Retweeted by #OCCUPYWALLSTREET

lmao <3333333333333333333333

boston:

"the police have said that they will not clear the camp tonight"

fuck yes

in all seriousness though i wonder if it's gonna be a moot point when the students leave town in a week anyway

no yeah i mean

i go out of town next thurs to the following tues and i'm terrified we're gonna get hit while i'm gone

and i have a sense bpd are just waiting til 4am or whatevet

@dailyrev ·More
@OccupyWallStNYC Can you evict a fake idea? Can you fake-evict an idea? Can the occupiers at the perimeter move to arrest the NYPD inside?

seriously this is making my entire life

@jopauca 26s
Livestreamer: "Are these barricades yours or the sets?" NYPD: "I don't even know. They don't look like ours. I don't know."

i am loling harder than i ever have in my entire life

robin is going home in boston--she would not go home if she didn't think boston was safe

boston is safe

http://bostonherald.com/news/columnists/view/2011_1207why_meninos_wary_of_ousting_occupiers/

this is actually kind of insightful from the boston herald (!):

“(The mayor) expects the judge to come down his way on this,” the source explained. “And when she does, he’ll do nothing. At least not right away.

“He obviously expects the weather to get brutal soon. And that will make it harder and harder for them to stay, especially with the ban on any winter tents.”

So, exasperated though he may be, Menino will wait on a judge and then wait for winter to start feeling like winter.

also having lived in boston for as long as i did, i wouldn't put it past menino/the bpd to make a big spectacle of themselves even if the simpler thing to do WOULD just be to wait for the students to clear out for the holidays and take a bunch of occupiers with them (as the article alludes to, the bpd have also had some pretty prominent, erm, crowd control issues over the past decade or so)

@JeffSharlet ·More
So it was all a ruse: @occupyboston head fake, NYC #mockupy, and meanwhile @occupyphoenix really is being raided. livestream.com/OccupyPhoenix

whoa boston getting raid now maybe

Remember to get you some sleep, hoos.

boston evicted this morning, 46 arrested

tonight they arrested boston people FOR HAVING A GA IN THE PARK

so much for the 1st Amendment, RIP.

Our city council is voting tomorrow on whether to extend the camp's permissions.

tonight they arrested boston people FOR HAVING A GA IN THE PARK

deets?

Staten Island vs Cheney tomorrow night:

http://occupystatenisland.org/content/protest-dick-cheney

also there are some folks out west raising a ruckus tomorrow

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OGqncu3wlEI

#D12 is the hashtag

http://westcoastportshutdown.org/

GA =?= general assembly?

Sorry, but I'm having a hard time moving this one into standard english.

yup, general assembly

holy hell you guys the hashtag is on some speed-of-light shit

my boys at the portland occupier are liveblogging

http://www.portlandoccupier.org/2011/12/12/liveblog-d12/

the port of oakland is closed

also hearing reports via cnn that portland is shut down

@qwmagazine
haha, the people arrested for tweeting are now chanting "whose tweets? our tweets." form inside the van. #d12 #ows

A+

gonna get some live reports myself here in an hour or so and put 'em on the radio.

Occupy PORTLAND has shut down Terminal 6. - Port spokesman Josh Thomas confirms port is basically shut down for the day

cops (somewhere on the west coast, too fast for me to figure this out atm) are bringing in dogs, calling for dispersal of illegal assembly "in the name of the people of california"

which people, i wonder

ows is taking over the brookfield lobby! diceytroop tags "#BONUSROUND" lol

what are yr thoughts on the port blocking thing btw hoos? i am out of the loop (& don't really know what's going on wrt this port) but thought i remembered you being sorta unsure about it on here somewhere upthread.

i was and am unsure about it tbh

but then again when the cops start arresting people with cameras who don't have "official journalist credentials" i'm kinda down for whatever

we've traced the ows livestream

its coming from INSIDE THE PADDYWAGON AHHH

http://www.livestream.com/occupynyc

"When I see a policeman with a club beating a man on the ground, I don't have to ask whose side I'm on." -George Orwell

xp to myself

cops escalated simultaneously in oakland & lb, now simultaneously backing down

?

goddamn

last weds was exhausting cause we had 3 actions i tried to cover throughout the day

this is like 8 simultaneous actions around the country

Portland liveblog

http://www.portlandoccupier.org/2011/12/12/liveblog-d12/

livestream

http://occupyportland.org/livestreammedia/

portland are a whole gang of badasses

Oakland officially shut down as of 10:29 a.m.

ugh do I even bother engaging with sub-intelligent "friends" on fb/twitter saying shit like "you can't protest a business like a port, you just can't" and "why do they protest against longshoremen, who they say they support"

ffs

I'd link them to this

http://cleanandsafeports.org/blog/2011/12/12/an-open-letter-from-america%E2%80%99s-port-truck-drivers-on-occupy-the-ports/

thx HOOS!

of course that only works if they actually READ the damn thing smh smh smh

"@susie_c: Two #D12 confirmations: the valiant return of the sound truck, & the valiant return of Scott Olsen, on the sound truck. 3pm."

!!

also this

http://www.portlandoccupier.org/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/pawns-take-king1.jpg

In re: the Luntz thing from a coupla weeks ago, George Lakoff wrote a thing saying not to fall into his trap:

http://www.truth-out.org/words-dont-work/1323270276

i just wrote a rhyming press release for an action outside a GOP xmas party in the style of "twas the night before christmas" that rhymed "republican staff" with "wall st gold calf."

what is my life.

based on the number of "where do we go from here" thinkpieces showing up online and being written by nutjobs & sent to our ~official~ accounts (including a whole series sent by a guy which begin FOCUS, OCCUPY, ITS TIME TO FOCUS) i feel like we're entering the "but have you ever ~really~ looked at the back of a dollar bill" phase

CNN Headline News coverage of Occupy Ports is all why do they protest against longshoremen, who they say they support"

christ

and they're not interviewing any of the wildcat ILWU guys, i suspect, who were behind it all the way.

Support the values of the strike and all, but it's going to make for some difficult conversations w our inventory people in a few weeks.

Well, "difficult" in the sense that I'll have to not be too chipper about delivering the news that books are late.

ha

i mean i don't mean to uncomplicated a complicated situation

there were a lot of competing issues here and lots of union people i know in dc and through twitter were not behind the blockade in principle--i wasn't even behind it all the way--but in practice as a one-day shutdown i think it was successful and counts as a victory.

I guess I have to read more to understand this victory

yeah is there a definitive 'why occupy ports' article

http://www.alternet.org/economy/153393/how_goldman_sachs_and_other_companies_exploit_port_truck_drivers_?page=entire

a few of my boys are on day 5 of a hunger strike for full dc congressional representation & budget autonomy for the district.

they just met with darrel issa's staff & had a productive convo--then issa, presumably having prewritten some damage control imagining he would look bad for not meeting with them, put out a press release demanding to know why the dept of the interior is letting us camp illegally on "stimulus-funded grass."

boehner's staff wouldn't send out anybody but a low-level press secretary who ran away as fast as she could & didn't answer any reporters questions.

eleanor holmes norton, my goddamn hero, just intervened and said she would facilitate a meeting between boehner's people and my boys.

might be time to get yr credit cards out (if u have them):

http://www.salon.com/2011/12/15/donations_to_occupy_wall_street_plummet/singleton/

also, Duarte Square rally/reoccupation this afternoon at Canal St & 6th (Lou Reed lol & Titus Andronicus):

http://occupywallst.org/article/d17-reoccupy-schedule/

Near half a million still in the bank, and they're sending money to other occupations--I think they're OK for the moment. Local occs could probably do more with the money; some of them have seen malfeasance that left them nearly broke. Not that DC has heard anything about that.

how yr boys hunger strikes hoos?

Sometimes I think Lou Reed has been declared mentally incompetent and has some power of attorney person with instructions to just bring him to whatever seems relevant.

Sam had an editorial published in the Post:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/our-hunger-strike-for-democracy-in-dc/2011/12/12/gIQAEsFzvO_story.html?wprss=rss_localopinions

my boy adrian got arrested for blocking one of the doors to congress with his wheelchair
http://s1-01.twitpicproxy.com/photos/large/473815626.jpg

k bowed out at hour 177 because medical was seeing unexpected complications.

nice piece on them here:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/lifestyle/style/occupy-dc-hunger-strikers-frail-but-undaunted/2011/12/15/gIQAkWX8yO_story.html

Meanwhile, in Portland, the World's Smallest Park has been occupied:

http://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/388420_2617863377236_1574679480_2383035_286234221_n.jpg

what they're calling "the portland snake"

The Portland Occupation stumbled upon a tactical innovation regarding occupying public spaces. This evolution in tactics was spontaneous, and went unreported in the media...

Now, to move on to the actual application of these tactical principles (that evolved by accident rather than conscious thought), we can take the example of Shemanski park on the 3rd. We occupied the park and set up a few tents and facilities to serve food and coffee. The police soon declared an emergency closure of the park and came out in force, with full riot gear and all the weaponry. The line of riot cops soon forced us out of the park, so someone decided that we ought to march to City Hall. It was about 9 pm on a Saturday night, so City Hall was closed, but we marched there anyway, 800 of us blocking traffic the whole way. Once there, the riot cops once again lined up to disperse the crowd. However, since City Hall was closed and there was no point in staying there anyway, someone had the idea to march down to the area of town where all the clubs were, so we took off marching again. The riot cops were trailing behind us...

After marching for 3-4 hours, we eventually found ourselves a block away from the park that we’d been forced out of, so we took it again. The riot police lined up and prepared to take the park again, but the attempt was called off and the police just left. They realized that they would have to go through the standard military procedure of clearing the park inch by inch, only to have us go back out into the streets and march again while they, one more time, trailed along helplessly- their entourage functioning as a part of the march, creating an even larger disruption to traffic (the marchers covered a city block, the trailing police took up another city block, effectively doubling the size of the obstruction to traffic)...

hey lookit i'm in greek

http://www.megatv.com/warzone/pages.asp?catid=24530&subid=2&pubid=28189187

this article about archiving OWS is great (and namechecks my MA program!):

http://www.theawl.com/2011/12/the-struggle-for-the-occupy-wall-street-archives

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2011/12/21/tom-clancy-game-casts-99-percent-as-domestic-terrorists/

^^ new rainbow 6 game has villains that sound an awful lot like a weaponized ows

“This all started when you became bigger than the governments,” a narrator’s voice explains. “And governments became bigger than the people. That’s how the land of the free became the kingdom of the few — a few like you, Mr. Walsh. It’s time for a new balance of power. You may not answer to the government, but you will answer to us.”

xp hey thank you so much for that archive article link

fwiw i've been known to play some real dogshit in terms of FPSes from time to time, and even i have no clue who still plays rainbow six games

lol

http://jaredbernsteinblog.com/re-progressive-taxation-the-people-get-it/

can I get a book rec for anarchist thought inline with occupy and horizontal democracy? or just anarchism generally? thanks bunches.

well kinda depends what direction you wanna come at it from--

mcglaughlin's "anarchism and authority" is a good one on broader principle stuff, david graeber's "direct action: an ethnography" is good on how those principles have been put into practice by the anti-globalization movement.

those are both great but a touch dry, though. the "spirit" of anarcho organizing & ows comes through really well in Crimethinc's book "Days of War, Nights of Love," i think. also their newest book "work" is actually a kinda sophisticated analysis of capitalism from a """"postmodern""" anarcho perspective, which i didn't really expect from them.

Proudhon?

haha i was just about to type "property is theft"

i was just leaning towards more recent stuff--i read a lot of proudhon & kropotkin in college and as "timeless" as it was it was also frustrating that these were mostly dudes that had died a century ago. took crimethinc to made me realize people were still talking about this stuff.

Gotcha — I'm only now getting into Proudhon, Kropotkin, Bakunin et al so I'm no expert. All this is pretty much extra-curricular so I don't have as much time to spend on it as I would like.

btw some friends of mine in a dc art group put up this lil "guerilla gallery" in the park today, all pieces about economic inequality

https://p.twimg.com/Ah7qcTaCMAAdz1W.jpg

park police said we can't have it there "because this is where you have GAs." not kidding.

they moved it to a diff lawn, all copasetic.

plan is for companion "galleries" to pop up throughout the city.

arrests in Iowa at Dems', Paul's HQs:

http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/12/29/12-arrested-at-occupy-the-caucus-protest/

http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,2103332,00.html

my homie drew is from iowa and he travelled back there for #occupycaucus, keep waiting to see a photo of him getting dragged off

so

#J17 is a thing that is happening and i'm one of a few spearheads

http://washingtonexaminer.com/local/dc/2011/12/occupy-dc-planning-major-january-demonstration/2039451

ilx shld be more like facebook because i want to 'like' every hoos update on this thread.

xposts those seem like legit recommendations. thanks you. gonna get on that for the new year.

don't know if this is inline with occupy (and its the first time i've heard of it): lawrence lessig and mark meckler held a 'conference on the constitutional convention' back in sept. i'm convinced at this point that an article 5 convention might be the only viable avenue for occupy to get its needs met. otherwise it seems occupy will be relegated to local skirmishes with little effect at the federal level. not that local activism isn't equally noble.

the url is unfortunate: http://conconcon.org/

http://occupycapitolhill.files.wordpress.com/2011/12/crearresistir-014.png?w=640&h=1024

media team is at the bar for new years and my man says "dude, search twitter for zuccotti park right now"

"what am i looking for"

"just do it"

*thumbtyping*

http://assets.nydailynews.com/polopoly_fs/1.999411.1325401567!/img/httpImage/image.jpg_gen/derivatives/landscape_485/image.jpg

"..................oh. fuck."

happy fucking new year