Right, this thread is for telling folk that the 'proper' ILX is down again, so if you see this above the "ILX is back up" thread it means ILX is back down

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Got it?

― nu_onimo (nu_onimo), Wednesday, 1 November 2006 11:13 (eighteen years ago) link

Down :(

― nu_onimo (nu_onimo), Wednesday, 1 November 2006 11:13 (eighteen years ago) link

Very slow, it might as well be.

― M Grout (Mark Grout), Wednesday, 1 November 2006 11:29 (eighteen years ago) link

I'm getting fed up to fuck with ilx breaking down. what happened to all the money that was contributed to fix it?

― Ste, Wednesday, 1 November 2006 11:57 (eighteen years ago) link

Stet spent it on organic cider

― nu_onimo (nu_onimo), Wednesday, 1 November 2006 11:58 (eighteen years ago) link

Pash was just about to post an announcement about it when it went down :(

― stet (stet), Wednesday, 1 November 2006 12:04 (eighteen years ago) link

Up and down like and uppy downy thing

― nu_onimo (nu_onimo), Wednesday, 1 November 2006 12:34 (eighteen years ago) link

Darnation. I'm not getting poxy fuled though - just nothing...

― Mr Edward Trifle, Wednesday, 1 November 2006 12:53 (eighteen years ago) link

Up and down like and uppy downy thing

You mean one of those things that yoyoers use, don't you? Can't remember what they're called either, but you're OTM.

― StanM (StanM), Wednesday, 1 November 2006 14:12 (eighteen years ago) link

I was thinking more the kind of things pogo stickers use. One of them.

― nu_onimo (nu_onimo), Wednesday, 1 November 2006 14:29 (eighteen years ago) link

Ste, that money was to find a new host in case the current ones were kicking us out. It was not to reprogram it (which is why it breaks all the time). people are kindly volunteering their talents to do that.

― Ms Misery (MsMisery), Wednesday, 1 November 2006 14:38 (eighteen years ago) link

i.e. it is sitting in stet's bank account gathering interest, which he is using to buy organic cider. Probably.

― ailsa_xx (ailsa_xx), Wednesday, 1 November 2006 14:41 (eighteen years ago) link

I'm now trying to think of other things which go up-and-down all the time. I'm sure I remember, back when I was a kid, that there was an expression about going 'up and down like a one-armed paper-hanger" but I might be wrong.

― C J (C J), Wednesday, 1 November 2006 14:51 (eighteen years ago) link

I believe "whore's knickers" is the phrase of choice, though the more polite may prefer "bride's nightie"

― nu_onimo (nu_onimo), Wednesday, 1 November 2006 14:57 (eighteen years ago) link

cheers MM, I'd forgotten about the hosting issue.

― Ste, Wednesday, 1 November 2006 14:57 (eighteen years ago) link

Whore's drawers!

― C J (C J), Wednesday, 1 November 2006 15:03 (eighteen years ago) link

like a 2 dollar hooker

― Ste, Wednesday, 1 November 2006 15:06 (eighteen years ago) link

No I'm not!

― C J (C J), Wednesday, 1 November 2006 15:09 (eighteen years ago) link

Whore's drawers sounds better, you get away with it in polite company as people mistake it for hors d'oeuvres

― nu_onimo (nu_onimo), Wednesday, 1 November 2006 15:12 (eighteen years ago) link

GUESS PAPERS

― token american, Wednesday, 1 November 2006 15:12 (eighteen years ago) link

Parties where whores drawers are mistaken for hors d'oeuvres sound a bit raunchy.

― C J (C J), Wednesday, 1 November 2006 15:29 (eighteen years ago) link

Not to mention louche.

― Michael White (Miguelito), Wednesday, 1 November 2006 15:49 (eighteen years ago) link

a glorious new dawn can't come soon enough. BRING ON THE NEW CODE. AND THE NEW SERVERS. AND THE DANCING HORSES.

― grimly fiendish (simon), Wednesday, 1 November 2006 17:44 (eighteen years ago) link

I think the only place you're going to find dancing horses is on the Noise Board's ASK LAUREL thread.

― jaymc (jaymc), Wednesday, 1 November 2006 17:48 (eighteen years ago) link

Yes, token, it's going up and down like guess papers. What?

― StanM (StanM), Wednesday, 1 November 2006 18:12 (eighteen years ago) link

Those are really more plummeting horses, since they appear to have jumped off the Golden Gate Bridge.

― Laurel (Laurel), Wednesday, 1 November 2006 18:15 (eighteen years ago) link

olol o who o why

― token american, Wednesday, 1 November 2006 18:24 (eighteen years ago) link

This was great! I got loads of work done this morning.

― I Am Curious (George) (Slight Return) (Rock Hardy), Wednesday, 1 November 2006 18:40 (eighteen years ago) link

it's a radical step, but couldn't you limit a lot of the ILX problems by restricting access to logged-in users (with an 'in' for GoogleBot specifically)? That would have to cut down on a lot of the traffic and usage overwhelming the server.

― milo (milo), Wednesday, 1 November 2006 18:42 (eighteen years ago) link

i think it's a bit late for such sticking-plaster measures. BRING ON THE GLORIOUS NEW DAWN. before it's too late and we all get bored.

― grimly, fiendishly not logged in, Wednesday, 1 November 2006 19:25 (eighteen years ago) link

after 5 years if I'm still here, despite being bored, I doubt anything can drive me away.

― Ms Misery (MsMisery), Wednesday, 1 November 2006 19:27 (eighteen years ago) link

the real ilx just redirected me here...

― lf (lfam), Wednesday, 1 November 2006 20:45 (eighteen years ago) link

But the real ILX is down. I CALL YOUR BLUFF.

― jaymc (jaymc), Wednesday, 1 November 2006 20:50 (eighteen years ago) link

yes I haven't even gotten a poxyfule.

― Ms Misery (MsMisery), Wednesday, 1 November 2006 20:50 (eighteen years ago) link

i'm glad it's down, i'd only annoy myself by moaning on football threads

― nu_onimo (nu_onimo), Thursday, 2 November 2006 09:48 (eighteen years ago) link

oh wait it's up again

zebedeeyoyopogoknickers

― nu_onimo (nu_onimo), Thursday, 2 November 2006 09:49 (eighteen years ago) link

Knacked again :-/

― ailsa_xx (ailsa_xx), Thursday, 2 November 2006 23:18 (eighteen years ago) link

Fatal error: Call to undefined function: logsqlquery() in /home/ilx/dev/stable/boardfunctions.php on line 179

― grady (grady), Thursday, 2 November 2006 23:19 (eighteen years ago) link

xpost

It's down for me--I get:

Fatal error: Call to undefined function: logsqlquery() in /home/ilx/dev/stable/boardfunctions.php on line 179

― patita (patita), Thursday, 2 November 2006 23:19 (eighteen years ago) link

Fatal error: Call to undefined function: logsqlquery() in /home/ilx/dev/stable/boardfunctions.php on line 179

― grady (grady), Thursday, 2 November 2006 23:19 (eighteen years ago) link

"Fatal Error" sounds really scary. Anyone ever seen that before?

― grady (grady), Thursday, 2 November 2006 23:21 (eighteen years ago) link

poxy fule! first in ages!

― bronimo, Wednesday, 15 November 2006 20:24 (eighteen years ago) link

IT WAS OJ.

― grady (grady), Wednesday, 15 November 2006 20:26 (eighteen years ago) link

Bah :-/

― ailsa_xx (ailsa_xx), Wednesday, 15 November 2006 20:28 (eighteen years ago) link

more poxy fulage....

― grady (grady), Wednesday, 15 November 2006 20:54 (eighteen years ago) link

the glove didn't fit!

― bronimo, Wednesday, 15 November 2006 20:55 (eighteen years ago) link

Life's funny. I never thought I would be revisiting the OJ case when I got up this morning.

― whoop de doodle (kenan), Wednesday, 15 November 2006 21:37 (eighteen years ago) link

Clearly trife was getting to the bottom of things. The LAPD had to shut us down.

― milo (milo), Wednesday, 15 November 2006 21:39 (eighteen years ago) link

I can't wait for Kobe Bryant's "How That Woman Would've Known It Was Rape."

― PPlains (PPlains), Wednesday, 15 November 2006 21:48 (eighteen years ago) link

If I had poxy fuled, this is how I'd have done it.

― Marmot (marmotwolof), Wednesday, 15 November 2006 21:51 (eighteen years ago) link

errr... still poxyfuled?

hung jury?

― grady (grady), Wednesday, 15 November 2006 22:27 (eighteen years ago) link

I think it's my fault, i resurrected noize thread from archives. I didn't use search though, I promise!

― nklshs (nklshs), Wednesday, 15 November 2006 22:29 (eighteen years ago) link

christ, it's irritatingly fucked tonight, isn't it?

― grimly fiendish (simon), Thursday, 16 November 2006 00:08 (eighteen years ago) link

Up and down like um..

― M Grout (Mark Grout), Thursday, 16 November 2006 01:03 (eighteen years ago) link

Yeah, I was thinking the same thing. All of the slobber and none of the pleasure.

― I Am Curious (George) (Slight Return) (Rock Hardy), Thursday, 16 November 2006 01:06 (eighteen years ago) link

COCK TEASE.

― grady (grady), Thursday, 16 November 2006 01:11 (eighteen years ago) link

It's not even poxy-fuling. The page isn't even loading. It's just...nothing :-/

― ailsa_xx (ailsa_xx), Thursday, 16 November 2006 01:12 (eighteen years ago) link

The ILM page is PF, the ILE is just hangin'

― M Grout (Mark Grout), Thursday, 16 November 2006 01:15 (eighteen years ago) link

and again

― StanM (StanM), Thursday, 16 November 2006 07:43 (eighteen years ago) link

Gone again :-/

― ailsa_xx (ailsa_xx), Thursday, 16 November 2006 17:09 (eighteen years ago) link

:-(

― StanM (StanM), Saturday, 18 November 2006 17:29 (eighteen years ago) link

CLANK!

― I Am Curious (George) (Slight Return) (Rock Hardy), Wednesday, 22 November 2006 20:15 (eighteen years ago) link

the same fucking day I go on about how reliable it's been.

― stet (stet), Wednesday, 22 November 2006 20:19 (eighteen years ago) link

I knew you were jinxing it, I just didn't want to say.

― I Am Curious (George) (Slight Return) (Rock Hardy), Wednesday, 22 November 2006 20:34 (eighteen years ago) link

ban stet

― stet (stet), Wednesday, 22 November 2006 20:56 (eighteen years ago) link

Sorry, I swear it was up again for about ten minutes just now. :(

― StanM (StanM), Wednesday, 22 November 2006 20:58 (eighteen years ago) link

pfff

― fandango (fandango), Wednesday, 22 November 2006 21:08 (eighteen years ago) link

I bet Nude Spock has something to do with it.

― nklshs (nklshs), Wednesday, 22 November 2006 21:09 (eighteen years ago) link

It was up long enough for me to post happy birthday to CJ and that's all that matters :-)

Nah, I am BORED! COME BACK!

― ailsa_xx (ailsa_xx), Wednesday, 22 November 2006 21:25 (eighteen years ago) link

bump :(

― nu_onimo (nu_onimo), Wednesday, 22 November 2006 21:33 (eighteen years ago) link

i think ILX overheated at the exact moment my radiator did on the way into work this morning...

: (

― grady (grady), Wednesday, 22 November 2006 21:38 (eighteen years ago) link

This is because I got all excited about it being back up and wrote a big long post about Casino Royale which people will never see now, isn't it?

― ailsa_xx (ailsa_xx), Wednesday, 22 November 2006 21:41 (eighteen years ago) link

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mlBrL8j09Bs

― nu_onimo (nu_onimo), Wednesday, 22 November 2006 21:41 (eighteen years ago) link

:-) Do you believe me about Saha yet?

Back down again. Up long enough for my pointless Casino Royale post to go through though.

― ailsa_xx (ailsa_xx), Wednesday, 22 November 2006 21:51 (eighteen years ago) link

No, I still think he thinks he's offside.

― nu_onimo (nu_onimo), Wednesday, 22 November 2006 22:05 (eighteen years ago) link

I'm getting poxy fuled again - everytime i try to post to that Michael Richards thread...

― Ned T.Rifle, Thursday, 23 November 2006 20:49 (eighteen years ago) link

Man, it's up and down like a sideways back and forth thing.

― StanM (StanM), Thursday, 23 November 2006 21:01 (eighteen years ago) link

I can't access the machine to fix it so god knows how long this'll take.

― Andrew, Thursday, 23 November 2006 23:56 (eighteen years ago) link

Poxy fuled and turkey fueled, darn it!

― Rosy Jo Bettany, Friday, 24 November 2006 01:51 (eighteen years ago) link

It's definitely down this fine Fri morn.

― M Grout (Mark Grout), Friday, 24 November 2006 09:24 (eighteen years ago) link

What fine Fri morn? Here in West London it's Hollyoaks weather - dull and overcast.

― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Friday, 24 November 2006 09:43 (eighteen years ago) link

dull, overcast and wooden??

― C J (C J), Friday, 24 November 2006 09:48 (eighteen years ago) link

I've got a very good view of Earl's Court from my window but I don't know whether it's made of wood.

― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Friday, 24 November 2006 09:51 (eighteen years ago) link

Earls Court is either made of Plywood or old stained stone. Depending on which direction you're facing.

― M Grout (Mark Grout), Friday, 24 November 2006 09:58 (eighteen years ago) link

I'm viewing it from a northwesterly direction. It looks like a gaily-coloured Meccano model, the squat redness nicely offset by the imposing Fairy Snow blue of the Empress State Building immediately to its left.

― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Friday, 24 November 2006 10:13 (eighteen years ago) link

When is the big switch over to Super Server ILX2.0 again?

― nu_onimo (nu_onimo), Friday, 24 November 2006 10:20 (eighteen years ago) link

It'll be like switching on the ILX Christmas Lights!

― C J (C J), Friday, 24 November 2006 10:21 (eighteen years ago) link

I can exclusively reveal that Annie From Norway has been booked and confirmed to turn on the ILX Christmas Lights.

― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Friday, 24 November 2006 10:27 (eighteen years ago) link

est toa April.

― M Grout (Mark Grout), Friday, 24 November 2006 10:32 (eighteen years ago) link

Will she be chewing gum while she does it?

― C J (C J), Friday, 24 November 2006 10:32 (eighteen years ago) link

When I was a little kid, my (Welsh) father told me that the correct words to "Men of Harlech" were

We're the men who come from Norway
Shooting peas up a nanny goat's doorway

― C J (C J), Friday, 24 November 2006 10:35 (eighteen years ago) link

At the star-studded ceremony Annie From Norway will be joined by a host of stars, including TV's Jan Leeming, Joanna Newsom, Dave Collins Out Of Dave And Ansil Collins, and TV's Bradley Walsh.

― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Friday, 24 November 2006 10:57 (eighteen years ago) link

Who will be providing the catering?

― C J (C J), Friday, 24 November 2006 11:03 (eighteen years ago) link

some hens.

― M Grout (Mark Grout), Friday, 24 November 2006 11:16 (eighteen years ago) link

I was hoping for a Shamed This Morning Star John Leslie appearance.

― nu_onimo (nu_onimo), Friday, 24 November 2006 11:20 (eighteen years ago) link

He will be there, disguised as a hen.

― C J (C J), Friday, 24 November 2006 11:24 (eighteen years ago) link

http://www.chickenshop.co.uk/acatalog/BRAC005.jpg

― C J (C J), Friday, 24 November 2006 11:26 (eighteen years ago) link

Catering will be exclusively provided by The Comedy Italian Bloke Out Of TV's Ready, Steady, Cook, with sexy assistance from leading "girl about town" journalist Zoe "Willy" Williams!

― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Friday, 24 November 2006 11:43 (eighteen years ago) link

A friend of mine used to date a very cute and charming Italian bloke but she dumped him for the sole reason that he was unable to pronounce Heinz Baked Beans properly, referring to them as "High Back Edd Bins" which she found intensely irritating. I don't think he was The Comedy Italian Bloke Out Of TV's Ready Steady Cook though.

― C J (C J), Friday, 24 November 2006 11:50 (eighteen years ago) link

When I was on Old Bailey jury service back in 1990 the prosecuting council persisted in spelling "Heinz" as "HIENZ" and pronouncing it as "HIENTZ."

He also pronounced "Tescos" to rhyme with "Lesbos" (as in the Greek island).

It was a fraud trial and it was a rather laboured analogy.

― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Friday, 24 November 2006 11:57 (eighteen years ago) link

Of course the ~~world's~~ South London Press will be on hand to capture memorable pics of madcap Timmy Mallett being given a baked bean bath by members of top pop combo Frank!

― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Friday, 24 November 2006 12:03 (eighteen years ago) link

Frank'n'beans

― C J (C J), Friday, 24 November 2006 12:08 (eighteen years ago) link

the final, fixed, move date is November 29

- stet (vmdnb900...), November 14th, 2006.

― nu_onimo (nu_onimo), Friday, 24 November 2006 13:05 (eighteen years ago) link

why not just stay here

― ken c, Friday, 24 November 2006 14:35 (eighteen years ago) link

I'm back up, yo. what's this about HEN FAP?

― teh_kit, Friday, 24 November 2006 14:49 (eighteen years ago) link

It's not up, ignore that thread that's now just underneath.

― M Grout (Mark Grout), Friday, 24 November 2006 15:00 (eighteen years ago) link

but i don't know that, bcuz i'm ignoring this one irony loop argh

― teh_kit, Friday, 24 November 2006 15:01 (eighteen years ago) link

I'm so confused.

― masonic boom (kate), Friday, 24 November 2006 15:06 (eighteen years ago) link

did you brake ilx, kaet?

― teh_kit, Friday, 24 November 2006 15:08 (eighteen years ago) link

The last thing I said on ILX was "teh Kit, why you haet kaet?" so I hope not...

― masonic boom (kate), Friday, 24 November 2006 15:09 (eighteen years ago) link

lol??! is that true?

reversal of wai 2 haet teh_kit is probably way too much for the fabric of the interwebs to handle, you fool.

― teh_kit, Friday, 24 November 2006 15:11 (eighteen years ago) link

― M Grout (Mark Grout), Friday, 24 November 2006 15:19 (eighteen years ago) link

Pardon?

How was Lenny Henry, by the way?

― C J (C J), Friday, 24 November 2006 15:20 (eighteen years ago) link

Actually, that was the last thing I posted last night. Maybe it was me that broke it.

― masonic boom (kate), Friday, 24 November 2006 15:20 (eighteen years ago) link

No, no it was probably me.

― C J (C J), Friday, 24 November 2006 15:23 (eighteen years ago) link

I blame those kids with their blaring mp3s at the back of the bus.

― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Friday, 24 November 2006 15:24 (eighteen years ago) link

I'm sure if there had been such a thing as a blaring mp3 player to be had when I was a kid, I'd have had one.

― C J (C J), Friday, 24 November 2006 15:27 (eighteen years ago) link

Len was fine, he was working his new routine(s), occaasionally fluffing a line, oddly being accurate about "woodley's black ghetto" area (irony).

― M Grout (Mark Grout), Friday, 24 November 2006 15:28 (eighteen years ago) link

sheesh!

― emily robinson (roxymuzak), Friday, 24 November 2006 16:56 (eighteen years ago) link

i want a sheesh kebab

― ken c, Friday, 24 November 2006 17:38 (eighteen years ago) link

Well, I want a pointy nosed guitarist, but I'm not about to get one, either, am I?

― masonic boom (kate), Friday, 24 November 2006 18:01 (eighteen years ago) link

I'm getting turkey tonight.

― Madchen (Madchen), Friday, 24 November 2006 18:30 (eighteen years ago) link

I got no turkey :(

― Madchen (Madchen), Friday, 24 November 2006 21:28 (eighteen years ago) link

i got enough turkey for all of us

also bacon

― m00kiepr00f (m00kiepr00f), Friday, 24 November 2006 22:22 (eighteen years ago) link

no hen fap though, eh?

― forksclovetofu, Saturday, 25 November 2006 01:08 (eighteen years ago) link

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― psss, Saturday, 25 November 2006 01:47 (eighteen years ago) link

i have to say that rocked pretty hard, my psss

― jergins (jergins), Saturday, 25 November 2006 02:08 (eighteen years ago) link

where's his feetsies?

― grady (grady), Saturday, 25 November 2006 02:42 (eighteen years ago) link

that stinks, psss

― emily robinson (roxymuzak), Saturday, 25 November 2006 03:10 (eighteen years ago) link


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p.s.s. fuck u emily

― pss, Saturday, 25 November 2006 03:30 (eighteen years ago) link

hey now hey now no need for that

― jergins (jergins), Saturday, 25 November 2006 03:34 (eighteen years ago) link

take a little constructive criticism and try to *make* something of it

― jergins (jergins), Saturday, 25 November 2006 03:35 (eighteen years ago) link

　　　　　　　　　　∧＿∧　　　／￣￣￣￣￣￣￣￣
　　　　　　　　　 （　´∀｀）　＜　Hello my name is Tablecat
　　　　　　　　／　　　　|　　　 ＼ Please help me.. get sit on.. table
　　　　　　　/ 　　　 　 .|　　　　　￣￣￣￣￣￣￣￣
　　　　　　 / "⌒ヽ |.ｲ |
　　　＿＿ |　　　.ノ | || |＿＿
　 .　　　 ノく＿＿つ∪∪　　 ＼
　　　＿（（＿＿＿＿＿＿＿＿_＼
　　 ￣￣ヽつ￣￣￣￣￣￣ | |￣

― pss, Saturday, 25 November 2006 18:51 (eighteen years ago) link

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　　　　　　　　　 （　´∀｀）　＜　Please my name help
　　　　　　　　／　　　　|　　　 ＼ Hello Tablecat me.. qwertyuiop
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　　　＿（（＿＿＿＿＿＿＿＿_＼
　　 ￣￣ヽつ￣￣￣￣￣￣ | |￣

― pss, Saturday, 25 November 2006 18:53 (eighteen years ago) link

　　　　　　　　　　∧,,∧　　　／￣￣￣￣￣￣￣￣
　　　　　　　　　 ミ　ﾟДﾟ彡　＜I'm such a pussy
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　　 ￣￣ヽ彡￣￣￣￣￣￣ | |￣
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― pss, Saturday, 25 November 2006 18:54 (eighteen years ago) link

Is that the logo for channel 4??

― C J (C J), Saturday, 25 November 2006 18:55 (eighteen years ago) link


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― pss, Saturday, 25 November 2006 18:59 (eighteen years ago) link

to be fair, "that stinks" isnt very constructive

it still stinks, though

― emily robinson (roxymuzak), Sunday, 26 November 2006 21:51 (eighteen years ago) link

Anyway.

ILX *is* back, but basically just to note where we currently stand, so to quote Andrew's message there:

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ilxor.com
What has happened to I Love Music/I Love Everything?

The hosting arrangements for the current server have been terminated. The server software has been re-written, and a new server has been purchased and will be installed at a new facility in Canada in the coming week. To make things more difficult, the server went down unexpectedly around the 25th of November and we've had to keep the site down in order to preserve the ILX database.
When will ILX be back?

When the new server is installed. This should be some time around the first few days of December. Watch this space for more specific details in the near future.
Who can I email to complain about this?

Complaining won't help. We have everything under control at the moment, it's just a time thing.
Where else can I go while this happens?

Why not do the work you're supposed to be doing? Either that or try the ILX sandbox.

Last updated: 27/11/2006

-Andrew

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And there ya go.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 27 November 2006 03:03 (seventeen years ago) link

This is actually well timed. I hope nu-ILX doesn't come back up until the 10th or so -- I don't need the distraction.

― I Am Curious (George) (Slight Return) (Rock Hardy), Monday, 27 November 2006 03:12 (seventeen years ago) link

It'll likely be shorter than that, so plan accordingly. ;-)

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 27 November 2006 03:14 (seventeen years ago) link

I still can't figure out how to properly log in here. I've registered, I enter my name and password, get a login successful message, and then I'm still not logged in.

― austin@#&$&@, Monday, 27 November 2006 03:40 (seventeen years ago) link

Sounds like a cookie thing. Yr entry looks fine in the user db.

― stet (stet), Monday, 27 November 2006 03:47 (seventeen years ago) link

cookies r enabled. Honest!

― austin%^*^$@!, Monday, 27 November 2006 04:00 (seventeen years ago) link

No Andrew message here, all I get is

Site Temporarily Unavailable
We apologize for the inconvenience. Please contact the webmaster/ tech support immediately to have them rectify this.

error id: "bad_httpd_conf"

― StanM (StanM), Monday, 27 November 2006 09:29 (seventeen years ago) link

Only for community ilx.thehold.net! HOT!
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― phentramadol, Monday, 27 November 2006 09:35 (seventeen years ago) link

only for community ilx.thehold.net?

― grady (grady), Monday, 27 November 2006 09:37 (seventeen years ago) link

I don't believe that's only for us. I think you lie like cheap Japanese watch.

― C J (C J), Monday, 27 November 2006 09:38 (seventeen years ago) link

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　　　　　　　　　 （　´∀｀）　＜　Hello my name is Ned Raggett
　　　　　　　　／　　　　|　　　 ＼ Please help me..
　　　　　　　/ 　　　 　 .|　　　　　￣￣￣￣￣￣￣￣
　　　　　　 / "⌒ヽ |.ｲ |
　　　＿＿  |　　　.ノ||||＿＿
　 .　　　 ノく＿＿つ ∪ ∪　　 ＼
　　　＿（（＿＿＿＿＿＿＿＿_＼
　　 ￣￣ヽつ￣￣￣￣￣￣ | |￣

― pss, Wednesday, 29 November 2006 00:43 (seventeen years ago) link

one month passes...

(stop bumping the other one, dammit)

― StanM (StanM), Wednesday, 3 January 2007 08:48 (seventeen years ago) link

Sorry.

― Ed (dali), Wednesday, 3 January 2007 09:10 (seventeen years ago) link

sorry everybody &c

― Keep your hoos high, shit gets steener/Here comes the grim reaper (hoosteen), Wednesday, 3 January 2007 09:14 (seventeen years ago) link

don't worry about it :-)

― StanM (StanM), Wednesday, 3 January 2007 09:22 (seventeen years ago) link

that was fun while it lasted.

― grady (grady), Thursday, 4 January 2007 01:06 (seventeen years ago) link

haha

― esoj@w3rk (esoj@w3rk), Thursday, 4 January 2007 01:07 (seventeen years ago) link

Not a great sign, the box appears to have fallen over.

― KeefW (KeefW), Thursday, 4 January 2007 01:08 (seventeen years ago) link

huh

― friday on the porch (lfam), Thursday, 4 January 2007 01:08 (seventeen years ago) link

fallen over?

― bohren un der club of gear (bohren un der club of gear), Thursday, 4 January 2007 01:09 (seventeen years ago) link

Well, it's uncontactable.

― KeefW (KeefW), Thursday, 4 January 2007 01:09 (seventeen years ago) link

it's back, it got up i guess

― bohren un der club of gear (bohren un der club of gear), Thursday, 4 January 2007 01:09 (seventeen years ago) link

Indeed...

― KeefW (KeefW), Thursday, 4 January 2007 01:10 (seventeen years ago) link

we never had all this "maintenance" crap back in the day!

― onimo (nu_onimo), Monday, 8 January 2007 19:54 (seventeen years ago) link

one month passes...

The server at ilx.wh3rd.net is taking too long to respond!!1!11!1!1!!

― ledge (ledge), Thursday, 8 February 2007 13:31 (seventeen years ago) link

maybe it's just me.

― ledge (ledge), Thursday, 8 February 2007 13:38 (seventeen years ago) link

waht

― Comrades, meet Tildo Durd (Scourage), Sunday, 11 February 2007 17:05 (seventeen years ago) link

Hmmm...

― Back in ILX Limbo (Roz), Sunday, 11 February 2007 17:09 (seventeen years ago) link

This is I Love Everything
The boards are down until they can be secured from JW.

This may take some days.

Oh FFS.

― much_aldo_about_nothing (much_aldo_about_nothing), Sunday, 11 February 2007 17:10 (seventeen years ago) link

ihttp://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/41215000/jpg/_41215544_zawahiri_reu203b.jpg

― sede vacante (blueski), Sunday, 11 February 2007 17:14 (seventeen years ago) link

All of our ILXOR boards are missing!!!

― jel -- (jel), Sunday, 11 February 2007 17:23 (seventeen years ago) link

Who the hell is JW and what did he/she do????

― Mr. Snrub (Mr. Snrub), Sunday, 11 February 2007 17:34 (seventeen years ago) link

Jon Williams. Something hacking related beyond my capabilities to explain I am guessing.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Sunday, 11 February 2007 17:37 (seventeen years ago) link

FWIW, I haven't heard anything from anyone about this. If any of the coders would like a 2 second workaround so we can get ilx back up, email me.

― jw (ex machina), Sunday, 11 February 2007 17:38 (seventeen years ago) link

Would it really have killed you to have just suggested the workaround in the first place?

― Matt DC (Matt DC), Sunday, 11 February 2007 17:40 (seventeen years ago) link

When have the admins listened to me?

― jw (ex machina), Sunday, 11 February 2007 17:43 (seventeen years ago) link

why does it bother you? you're the only one who takes advantage of the weaknesses!

― Ms Misery (MsMisery), Sunday, 11 February 2007 17:47 (seventeen years ago) link

I've been fucking listening! I've been looking at the spam-sorting solution you talked about, and I implemented your idea on PEW as soon as I read it.

I'm no longer interested in workarounds for the old code. It's riddled with holes. One could do an injection from the name field for a while there! I'm not going around attempting to close every damn hole solely to prevent *you* from taking advantage of it.

You *know* we're moving to new code. There is no advantage to "testing" the old code.

― stet'; (stet), Sunday, 11 February 2007 17:48 (seventeen years ago) link

They don't listen to you or trust you because you keep pulling shit like this and then unnecessarily playing the victim, perhaps? And because half the time when you DO stop being dickish and actually make a constructive suggestion from the off it's taken on board and you are usually thanked?

(xpost)

― Matt DC (Matt DC), Sunday, 11 February 2007 17:50 (seventeen years ago) link

I'm enjoying the computer kittens, though. Thank you for that!

― Beth Parker (Beth Parker), Sunday, 11 February 2007 17:51 (seventeen years ago) link

I had a gray manx just like that one!

― Beth Parker (Beth Parker), Sunday, 11 February 2007 17:51 (seventeen years ago) link

Its not like I locked everyone out of posting to ILX. That was the real admins!

― jw (ex machina), Sunday, 11 February 2007 17:54 (seventeen years ago) link

There's no reason for ILX to be locked. I don't want this to get into people accusing me of seeking attention or whatever. But I had admin on ILE and I did notthing to try to annoy everyone or publicly show off. No one else (other than the admins) know how I did it, so kindly stop blowing this out of proportion and unlock ILX. Or do you feel that you need to crucify me in the court of public opinion so the few miserable cunts who dislike me can have a great argument for banning me?

― jw (ex machina), Sunday, 11 February 2007 17:57 (seventeen years ago) link

hi dere

― Confounded (Confounded), Sunday, 11 February 2007 17:58 (seventeen years ago) link

I did notthing to... publicly show off. (sic)

No one else (other than the admins) know how I did it

― much_aldo_about_nothing (much_aldo_about_nothing), Sunday, 11 February 2007 17:59 (seventeen years ago) link

Alex in SF, you'll regret the lack of googleproofing, I tells thee...

― Comrades, meet Tildo Durd (Scourage), Sunday, 11 February 2007 18:00 (seventeen years ago) link

Also, fwiw someone mentioned there had been a CSS flood on a Sh1mura Curv3s thread on thehold(?) that I had been accused of doing. Not me!

― jw (ex machina), Sunday, 11 February 2007 18:00 (seventeen years ago) link

Aldo, the point being, there's no reason for ILX to be down. Now I'm going to brunch so I won't be around. bye!

― jw (ex machina), Sunday, 11 February 2007 18:01 (seventeen years ago) link

When have the admins listened to me?

-- jw (jon@////), February 11th, 2007

Jon, I've listened to you many times! You've emailed me about googleproofing stuff in the past, and I've got onto it str8away, just the same as I wd do for anyone! I even emailed you the other day to ask you what that "fuck you googleproof me" thing was about.

FWIW, I looked at ilx this morning (uk time), ACCIDENTALLY looked at the modlog on ile, and noticed that Jon had carried out a couple of admin actions last night, checked the admin page on ile, and found that he had somehow added himself to the ile moderators list with full privs. I emailed stet about this, and he pulled the site. I think stet did the right thing, because if Jon can exploit vunerabilities in the old code, so can other ppl. Getting in at top level means among other things, the ability to delete the entire database. Personally, I can't see Jon doing this. Other people I don't know about.

― Norman Phay (Pashmina), Sunday, 11 February 2007 18:10 (seventeen years ago) link

so if you're worried about the other people, why does ILX say boards are down untill they can be secured from Jon? It does make it sound like he's sitting there destroying ilx. If that's the case, it's one thing...

― dan selzer (dan selzer), Sunday, 11 February 2007 18:13 (seventeen years ago) link

Everybody:

Jon found a security hole in ILX that lets him get access to the database. Full access, so he can give himself mod privs, delete posts, threads, boards, the whole site.

He didn't tell Keith or me how he did it, he just took advantage of it. Keith and I are the only people with access to the server right now. We both have full-time jobs. The old ILX code running depends on people not trying to break it, or hack in.

If Jon is going to hack the boards by finding holes -- of which there are many -- we can't leave them up without doing a lot more admin work to try and stop him. On top of which, the new host's backup system hasn't been set up yet, so we have no backups right now.

We're going to move to the new secure code. It's not quite ready, it hasn't had all the features fleshed out, but it lets you post and is largely secure.

― stet (stet), Sunday, 11 February 2007 18:14 (seventeen years ago) link

thanks for the update, stet.

― Eisbär (Eisbär), Sunday, 11 February 2007 18:17 (seventeen years ago) link

"Alex in SF, you'll regret the lack of googleproofing, I tells thee..."

Is this a threat?

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Sunday, 11 February 2007 18:20 (seventeen years ago) link

I don't want this to get into people accusing me of seeking attention or whatever.

good luck with that

― sede vacante (blueski), Sunday, 11 February 2007 18:24 (seventeen years ago) link

Um.. If you all know the code is bad & full of security holes, and are already in process of moving to the new secure code.. What is the problem? It seems like the "ILX is down" message should say that ILX goes back up when the board is secure, period, not when the board is secured from JW.. Can a backup be done quickly just for safety's sake and then the board be put it back up now with the notice that the code isn't fixed yet but nobody using the board is to do that again or risk being banned. After all the admin log did show immediately what happened and I presume it would show it again.

― dar1a g (dar1a g), Sunday, 11 February 2007 18:35 (seventeen years ago) link

board is secure, period, not when the board is secured from JW..
These are pretty much the same thing!

Yes, the message should be a bit better, but I'm at work and can only access the server from my phone! Otherwise I would get cracking on backups etc, aye.

― stet (stet), Sunday, 11 February 2007 18:41 (seventeen years ago) link

But, no, the admin log need not show what happened. He can alter the DB at will.

― stet (stet), Sunday, 11 February 2007 18:41 (seventeen years ago) link

ah well, at least we have a sandbox. ca va

― dar1a g (dar1a g), Sunday, 11 February 2007 18:49 (seventeen years ago) link

but nobody using the board is to do that again or risk being banned.

that is hardly going to deter jon, the only registered user who bothers to exploit security issues with ILX code. banning doesn't work on savvy enough regulars who repeat offend.

― sede vacante (blueski), Sunday, 11 February 2007 18:49 (seventeen years ago) link

So what happens if PEW becomes computer literate?

― pfunkboy (Kerr), Sunday, 11 February 2007 18:53 (seventeen years ago) link

mushroomcloud.jpg

― The PEW Research Center for Panty-Twisting (Rock Hardy), Sunday, 11 February 2007 18:55 (seventeen years ago) link

So what happens if PEW becomes ~~computer~~ literate?

― acrobat (acrobat), Sunday, 11 February 2007 18:55 (seventeen years ago) link

armegeddon, ILX style:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CqT2COHG4uI

― Eisbär (Eisbär), Sunday, 11 February 2007 18:59 (seventeen years ago) link

LESS QQ, MORE PEW PEW

― aidsy (aidsy), Sunday, 11 February 2007 19:09 (seventeen years ago) link

if the board were to continue running with code that's that flawed, eventually sooner or later somebody would hack in & cause some serious problems, i mean, what happens the day that some random kid on the internets decides to delete the whole board?

― dar1a g (dar1a g), Sunday, 11 February 2007 19:12 (seventeen years ago) link

Q(^.^Q)

― amon (amon), Sunday, 11 February 2007 19:13 (seventeen years ago) link

So the argument is that JW exploited a hole in the code, and so now you're shutting the whole thing down on principle? Why wouldn't you have shut the whole thing down on principle years ago? Why is this different?

― there to preserve disorder (kenan), Sunday, 11 February 2007 19:17 (seventeen years ago) link

thanks heavens we have jon to speed the whole process up by forcing new code through, by demonstrating practically the flaws of the board that most people don't understand nor give a shit about, ignorant fools that they are. without his unannounced intervention, commandeering of admin rights, useful testing of locking privileges and whatnot these things could've been done TOMORROW by somebody we neither know nor like!

― sede vacante (blueski), Sunday, 11 February 2007 19:19 (seventeen years ago) link

Yes. I figured it was an OK risk given that it hadn't happened in all the preceding years, and the code would only be up for a few months till the switchover. Ah well.

No, the argument is that the risk above is now too big to take. If Jon's going to be such a loose cannon that he can't restrain himself from hacking what we know to be insecure code, I'm not going to run around trying to stop him.

― stet (stet), Sunday, 11 February 2007 19:20 (seventeen years ago) link

http://www.lakecofb.com/0-No-Trespassing-Sign_Spanish.jpg

― remy bean (bean), Sunday, 11 February 2007 19:22 (seventeen years ago) link

http://www.brandonstone.com/photos_generated/no_trespassing_sign_2-750x600.jpg

― remy bean (bean), Sunday, 11 February 2007 19:22 (seventeen years ago) link

http://howlingpoint.net/images/IMG_0162crop.jpg

― remy bean (bean), Sunday, 11 February 2007 19:23 (seventeen years ago) link

http://homepage.mac.com/icbp90pink1/iblog/B2014309987/C1832726962/E20060514160909/Media/NO%20TRESPASSING.jpg

― remy bean (bean), Sunday, 11 February 2007 19:24 (seventeen years ago) link

I think the point is, Jon found a HUGE security hole, exploited it, and the admins are not sure how he did it. Jon would probably not nuke ILE, but the hole is severe enough that if someone else found it, the consequences could be dire. Most importantly, there is currently no backup of ILX, so the entire history could be lost if someone exploited the hole.

So a combo of factors in play here. Can't say I blame the admins. It'd be one thing if there were backups but in absence of them, it's probably best to leave the site down.

― Nu-Edward III (edward iii), Sunday, 11 February 2007 19:25 (seventeen years ago) link

neverforget.jpg

― Nu-Edward III (edward iii), Sunday, 11 February 2007 19:28 (seventeen years ago) link

Point well taken.

This is still kinda funny, though.

― there to preserve disorder (kenan), Sunday, 11 February 2007 19:28 (seventeen years ago) link

This is different because years ago, nobody actually had hacked their way into getting database access. The board is not being shut down permanently, only 'till it can be put up with the new code.

I guess the point is that in the first place it's not OK for Jon, or anyone else to hack into the database, and more urgently, now that Jon has shown it can be done, it's extremely likely that someone else will do it. Like the CSS flooding thing referred to upthread, Jon didn't CSS flood the shimura curves thread, someone else did, but w/o Jon's example of showing it could be done in the first place, it likely wouldn't have happened.

(x-posts, in which everyone explains it better than I can :( )

― Norman Phay (Pashmina), Sunday, 11 February 2007 19:29 (seventeen years ago) link

http://www.tsa.gov/graphics/images/x-ray_shoes.jpg

― PPlains (PPlains), Sunday, 11 February 2007 19:41 (seventeen years ago) link

jon, martyr that he is, doesn't mind taking some stick for being the one to do the sabotage, in order to demonstrate the catastrophic effects of sabotage, were it to ever happen. better for it to be demonstrated by a guy popular and cherished enough on ILX than for it happen without provocation by some random schmoe. just because it never happened before doesn't it mean it couldn't happen TOMORROW, maybe even while you sleep. at night. are you afraid? not nearly enough.

― sede vacante (blueski), Sunday, 11 February 2007 19:42 (seventeen years ago) link

meanwhile here's an exclusive look at the new code/presentation format

― sede vacante (blueski), Sunday, 11 February 2007 19:43 (seventeen years ago) link

I wonder what Jon used his admin privs for...?

― Laurel (Laurel), Sunday, 11 February 2007 19:46 (seventeen years ago) link

lololo

― amon (amon), Sunday, 11 February 2007 19:47 (seventeen years ago) link

SHOULDNT YOU DO BACKUP BEFORE ANYTHING ELSE IF THERES NO BACKUP WHAT IF THE HARD DRIVE JUST GOES AT ANY TIME IT DONT MAKE SENSE. WHY SPEND ALL THE TIME AND MONEY DOING PROGRTAMS AND SEND THE COMPUTERS AROUND THE WORLD IF YOU DONT HAVED TIME TO DO COMPUTER HARDRIVE BACKUP.

― TIM@KFC.EDU (TIM@KFC.EDU), Sunday, 11 February 2007 19:51 (seventeen years ago) link

The hosts were supposed to be doing it. They haven't (along with a shitload of other stuff). I was going to start doing my own this week, ironically.

― stet (stet), Sunday, 11 February 2007 19:54 (seventeen years ago) link

so could one do the same thing to the sandbox?

― grady (grady), Sunday, 11 February 2007 20:02 (seventeen years ago) link

Yes, naturally. Should I take it down too?

― stet (stet), Sunday, 11 February 2007 20:03 (seventeen years ago) link

that seems unnecessary!

― dar1a g (dar1a g), Sunday, 11 February 2007 20:09 (seventeen years ago) link

Doesn't stet own thehold? I think if he thinks Jon can fuck that up, preventing that is kind of up to stet.

― ailsa_xx (ailsa_xx), Sunday, 11 February 2007 20:15 (seventeen years ago) link

DOES NOT PARSE

― hoo got it for steen, vol 3 (hoosteen), Sunday, 11 February 2007 20:16 (seventeen years ago) link

I'm only joshing about taking it down, rly. Please don't fuck it though Jon, eh?

― stet (stet), Sunday, 11 February 2007 20:21 (seventeen years ago) link

Yeah, but you're quite within your rights to do so if you want to, or have to. Just saying, like.

― ailsa_xx (ailsa_xx), Sunday, 11 February 2007 20:22 (seventeen years ago) link

Because me v everyone else counts in terms of opinions, obv.

― ailsa_xx (ailsa_xx), Sunday, 11 February 2007 20:24 (seventeen years ago) link

well god forbid all our precious sandbox posts get deleted by JW in a fit of pique over kate st.c

― TOMB07 (trm), Sunday, 11 February 2007 20:32 (seventeen years ago) link

Oh good for you and your not giving a shit. I kind of hate two people's shite impacting on lots of other people, but hey you're bigger and better than this board so well done you.

― ailsa_xx (ailsa_xx), Sunday, 11 February 2007 20:34 (seventeen years ago) link

fuck this defense of jon, he's acting like a spoilt child whether his intentions were 'good' or not.

― the table is the table (trees), Sunday, 11 February 2007 20:41 (seventeen years ago) link

tombot otm. everyone else hysterical.

― there to preserve disorder (kenan), Sunday, 11 February 2007 20:42 (seventeen years ago) link

OTFM. Cosign. Whatever the cool kids say these days.

erm, xpost.

― ailsa_xx (ailsa_xx), Sunday, 11 February 2007 20:43 (seventeen years ago) link

what do you think should be done kenan?

― sede vacante (blueski), Sunday, 11 February 2007 20:45 (seventeen years ago) link

RELAX

― there to preserve disorder (kenan), Sunday, 11 February 2007 20:45 (seventeen years ago) link

SAVE THE CHEERLEADER SAVE THE WORLD SAVE ILX AND TEH SANDBOX.

― ailsa_xx (ailsa_xx), Sunday, 11 February 2007 20:46 (seventeen years ago) link

xpost And you know, fix stuff, and maybe shut the main board down for a while. Protect the database, sure. God knows I have countless jewels of wisdom stored there.

― there to preserve disorder (kenan), Sunday, 11 February 2007 20:47 (seventeen years ago) link

Jon's getting tarred with his own brush from previous temper tantrums, but I don't know that this one is particularly egregious...how long did he have admin privs before anyone noticed?

― Laurel (Laurel), Sunday, 11 February 2007 20:48 (seventeen years ago) link

Not giving a shit vs thinking your post was dumb, TS.

I don't think Jon's intentions were good at all. I do think that making a point to state openly it was Jon instead of dealing with that some other way is just causing a tremendous amount more problems than there might've been otherwise though (though I can understand stet writing something like what is on the main ilx pg in anger).

― Allyzay P. Boxcars (trm), Sunday, 11 February 2007 20:48 (seventeen years ago) link

BTW, while we're fixing security holes, you do not need to have "revoke" powers to delete people's mod privledges.

― Allyzay P. Boxcars (trm), Sunday, 11 February 2007 20:51 (seventeen years ago) link

xpost I just feel like jon piddled on our collective leg, and it'll wash out.

― there to preserve disorder (kenan), Sunday, 11 February 2007 20:53 (seventeen years ago) link

I do think that making a point to state openly it was Jon instead of dealing with that some other way is just causing a tremendous amount more problems than there might've been otherwise though (though I can understand stet writing something like what is on the main ilx pg in anger).

Yea, this is probably fair -- and I was pissed. I'll change it to something a bit less inflammatory when I get a chance.

― stet (stet), Sunday, 11 February 2007 20:58 (seventeen years ago) link

Whatever Keith and Stet say is good by me - maybe Jon can make his own board in the interim (or perhaps we could, you know, just go somewhere else, ilx is fucking toxic these days)

― Sarah (Science of Unforunate Events), Sunday, 11 February 2007 20:59 (seventeen years ago) link

i know this much: it's not as good as it used to be.

― there to preserve disorder (kenan), Sunday, 11 February 2007 21:00 (seventeen years ago) link

There was something he posted earlier - a screengrab of something - where his login stuff include mod things. I sort of noticed, but didn't think it that weird. That was maybe about 9 or 10 hours ago?

― ailsa_xx (ailsa_xx), Sunday, 11 February 2007 21:00 (seventeen years ago) link

(weird enough that I noticed, not weird enough to alert others, that is)

― ailsa_xx (ailsa_xx), Sunday, 11 February 2007 21:03 (seventeen years ago) link

maybe Jon can make his own board in the interim

he would've done this two years if he wanted to. there's enough people and topics of interest to keep him here and obviously ilx is more desirable due to it's huge audience and google profile (as long as you don't mention people in any kind of bad light of course), despite it's technical flaws which thankfully some people are only to willing to expose in as cynical a fashion as possible (how else would they get fixed otherwise?).

― sede vacante (blueski), Sunday, 11 February 2007 21:04 (seventeen years ago) link

okay, done being hysterical. (i can't drive b/c of law, can't leave the house. whatevah.. i gots projects)

― the table is the table (trees), Sunday, 11 February 2007 21:07 (seventeen years ago) link

Well it's not so bad that certain things JW said on the other board have been deleted - I have lost any sense of having ANY respect for the guy after that horrific bullying on that LJ thread. But perhaps this is because I live in a post-Jade environment and this is the ghost of Shilpa speaking.

― Sarah (Science of Unforunate Events), Sunday, 11 February 2007 21:08 (seventeen years ago) link

i've lost count of people one could accuse of having bullied louis, mind you.

― sede vacante (blueski), Sunday, 11 February 2007 21:12 (seventeen years ago) link

i think it's around 12.

― sede vacante (blueski), Sunday, 11 February 2007 21:13 (seventeen years ago) link

Steve, you know the thing I'm talking about, that was fucking disgusting and I can't see how that could be defensible in any way! And you also know who did it!

― Sarah (Science of Unforunate Events), Sunday, 11 February 2007 21:14 (seventeen years ago) link

http://www.passdrugtestingshake.com/images/prod_synthetic-urine.jpg

― Dom Passantino (DomPassantino), Sunday, 11 February 2007 21:16 (seventeen years ago) link

Oh great!

― Sarah (Science of Unforunate Events), Sunday, 11 February 2007 21:16 (seventeen years ago) link

I dunno what Starry's referring to, maybe I missed all the fun? But there are a couple of people around here I wouldn't miss for their sheer hatefulness, and JW isn't one of them.

― Laurel (Laurel), Sunday, 11 February 2007 21:32 (seventeen years ago) link

(what thing was this?!)

― toby (tsg20), Sunday, 11 February 2007 21:33 (seventeen years ago) link

http://www.chipshirts.com/photoshop/scarface.jpg

First you get the money. Then you get the amyl. Then you get the poppage.

― Dom Passantino (DomPassantino), Sunday, 11 February 2007 21:36 (seventeen years ago) link

yeah what happened 2 outrage starrysarah???? i missed it :'(~

― aidsy (aidsy), Sunday, 11 February 2007 21:44 (seventeen years ago) link

trees, welcome to my world. go cry about it.

― hm (modestmickey), Sunday, 11 February 2007 21:52 (seventeen years ago) link

From how I'm reading it here I don't think the admins understand what I did. I don't want to talk too much about what I did, but without knowing a little bit more about how stuff works, I couldn't get access to the site at a global level let alone raw database access. I only every had moderator powers on ile. I made a little two little mod actions that showed up in the log and that was it. The same vulnerability would let me take moderator actions as any other moderator, but I decided not to do that as it would be really annoying to figure out what was going on.

I don't really see the logic in keeping ilx down since only a few people know how to do this and in the like 20 hours I was mod for, I did nothing with it. As far as the defensibility of my own actions, that isn't really pertinent to this.

Also, I have no idea what Sarah's saying. Maybe she should fuck off if she wants to slander me privately to everyone in the world?

― jw (ex machina), Sunday, 11 February 2007 21:56 (seventeen years ago) link

In short, I don't even know who you are or why you have a preexisting problem with me, but you can kindly get fucked and leave.

― jw (ex machina), Sunday, 11 February 2007 21:59 (seventeen years ago) link

I did nothing with it.

Apart from banning another poster, you mean? I'm not going to join in the witch hunt, I don't have any particular problem with you and 80% of the time you don't even register with me. Still, not mentioning this is being a tad disingenuous and doesn't exactly leave me inclined to believe everything else you're saying.

― Matt DC (Matt DC), Sunday, 11 February 2007 22:04 (seventeen years ago) link

xpost to JW: hmm. ultimately, it's the admins' decision what to do with the board. if they think what you've done warrants this response, jon, i support them - and i'd hope most of the rest of ILX would too. they, after all, are sensible people whom i trust. you're a pest whom i don't.

― grimly fiendish (simon), Sunday, 11 February 2007 22:05 (seventeen years ago) link

(and i don't have a fucking clue what you did; i'm just back from a weekend away. all i can gather is that it involved hacking and dickery.)

― grimly fiendish (simon), Sunday, 11 February 2007 22:06 (seventeen years ago) link

i thought starry was initially referring to your 'l0u1s takes drugs' thread on IRE, but unsure.

I don't want to talk too much about what I did

why not? sounds interesting!

The same vulnerability would let me take moderator actions as any other moderator, but I decided not to do that as it would be really annoying to figure out what was going on.

i'm sure they will appreciate this a lot, v thoughtful of u!

I don't really see the logic in keeping ilx down since only a few people know how to do this

if only a few people know, why bother to demonstrate the flaw at all, as opposed to just contacting the coders discreetly?

As far as the defensibility of my own actions, that isn't really pertinent to this.

convenient!

― sede vacante (blueski), Sunday, 11 February 2007 22:08 (seventeen years ago) link

holy shit, jon banned someone. that is totally unheard of on ilx and would probably take hours if not weeks to undo. better shut the whole operation down, guys.

― hm (modestmickey), Sunday, 11 February 2007 22:08 (seventeen years ago) link

shut "faggot" mickey down more like

― lexpretend (lexpretend), Sunday, 11 February 2007 22:09 (seventeen years ago) link

Apart from banning another poster, you mean?

jon was considerate enough to ban someone he knows doesn't post on ilx at weekends...figuring it would be revoked before monday morning. i don't think people really appreciate his thoughtfulness here.

― sede vacante (blueski), Sunday, 11 February 2007 22:09 (seventeen years ago) link

Still, not mentioning this is being a tad disingenuous and doesn't exactly leave me inclined to believe everything else you're saying.

Well, I didn't let's say... lock ile... which is what in effect what has been done. Taking toys, and going home, etc

― jw (ex machina), Sunday, 11 February 2007 22:10 (seventeen years ago) link

http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~sam/WWII/pics/insane.jpg

― friday on the porch (lfam), Sunday, 11 February 2007 22:10 (seventeen years ago) link

And banning someone from ile is not ok, but bullying several posters off of posting to threads you start and being a hateful lunatic is totally ok?

― jw (ex machina), Sunday, 11 February 2007 22:11 (seventeen years ago) link

jon was considerate enough to ban someone he knows doesn't post on ilx at weekends...figuring it would be revoked before monday morning. i don't think people really appreciate his thoughtfulness here.

-- sede vacante (n...) (webmail), February 11th, 2007 10:09 PM. (blueski) (later) (link)

Well, I figured I had already shown up in the admin log, so I might as well do something silly... but yea

― jw (ex machina), Sunday, 11 February 2007 22:12 (seventeen years ago) link

Jon - the Lou1s J4gger drugz stuff on IRE - I obviously can't link to it now, I think limited amount of people saw it, and I only saw it when someone else pointed me at it (and wouldn't have seen it any other way). It was horrible stuff - you've got to see why people wouldn't feel exactly great towards you after seeing it, right?? And after whatever you've done today - and we can at least agree you did SOMETHING - it's not painting a great picture!

As Matt says though, most of the time you don't register much with me, and I guess I don't register much with you either, but why is it that whenever you DO it's for things like this?

― Sarah (Science of Unforunate Events), Sunday, 11 February 2007 22:12 (seventeen years ago) link

Oh, I thought you mean something else.

As Matt says though, most of the time you don't register much with me, and I guess I don't register much with you either, but why is it that whenever you DO it's for things like this?

Because you only post on Chicago threads?

― jw (ex machina), Sunday, 11 February 2007 22:13 (seventeen years ago) link

if only a few people know, why bother to demonstrate the flaw at all, as opposed to just contacting the coders discreetly?

― sede vacante (blueski), Sunday, 11 February 2007 22:14 (seventeen years ago) link

all ilx got sonned this time. pwnd!

http://www.dartreview.com/archives/Ahmadinejad.jpg

― hm (modestmickey), Sunday, 11 February 2007 22:14 (seventeen years ago) link

if only a few people know, why bother to demonstrate the flaw at all, as opposed to just contacting the coders discreetly?

-- sede vacante (n...) (webmail), February 11th, 2007 10:14 PM. (blueski) (later) (link)

Honestly, I planned on doing something kind of silly and non harmful (taking over IDME) and then having them see what's up.

― jw (ex machina), Sunday, 11 February 2007 22:16 (seventeen years ago) link

Also, I still have hostile Canadian javascript

― jw (ex machina), Sunday, 11 February 2007 22:16 (seventeen years ago) link

this is boring. i'm bored now.

― there to preserve disorder (kenan), Sunday, 11 February 2007 22:16 (seventeen years ago) link

you should go and visit mickey

― esoj@w3rk (esoj@w3rk), Sunday, 11 February 2007 22:17 (seventeen years ago) link

http://i77.photobucket.com/albums/j50/razzyorg/avrilisugly.gif

― jw (ex machina), Sunday, 11 February 2007 22:18 (seventeen years ago) link

Can we just fast-forward through the whole massive fight and get straight to the bit when Ronan posts a series of messages mocking the whole situation in a vaguely surreal manner?

― Matt DC (Matt DC), Sunday, 11 February 2007 22:19 (seventeen years ago) link

you know the difference between a discussion/argument and a fite tho right?

― sede vacante (blueski), Sunday, 11 February 2007 22:20 (seventeen years ago) link

a fite has css

― jw (ex machina), Sunday, 11 February 2007 22:21 (seventeen years ago) link

i can't wait until ilx goes back to normal! you know, when people are monstrous assholes spewing vile at each other and nobody shuts down the whole thing because of silly little incidents.

― hm (modestmickey), Sunday, 11 February 2007 22:23 (seventeen years ago) link

http://www.hush.cz/img/welcome.jpg

― Dom Passantino (DomPassantino), Sunday, 11 February 2007 22:23 (seventeen years ago) link

A fite has alpacas.

http://www.shutterfreaks.com/albums2/album66/Sammy_Adams.jpg

― Matt DC (Matt DC), Sunday, 11 February 2007 22:24 (seventeen years ago) link

http://www.dickdestiny.com/megafortsmall.JPG

― jw (ex machina), Sunday, 11 February 2007 22:24 (seventeen years ago) link

xpost, I was just talking about alpacas with tza and hstencil

― jw (ex machina), Sunday, 11 February 2007 22:24 (seventeen years ago) link

http://www.varley.net/Pages/images/Haunted%20Stealth%20Alpacas/alpacas%20-%204.jpg

ADORABLE!

― Matt DC (Matt DC), Sunday, 11 February 2007 22:25 (seventeen years ago) link

Jon, I have HACKED YOUR LIFE. Next time you start wanking, remember who's watching.

― Matt DC (Matt DC), Sunday, 11 February 2007 22:26 (seventeen years ago) link

http://www.totalmedia.com/images/Columbo.jpg

so your intention was to demonstrate the flaw and then point out how to fix it so that nobody else would be able to do it ever again...on the basis that anyone else would be willing to...*puff*...at some point in the future?

― sede vacante (blueski), Sunday, 11 February 2007 22:27 (seventeen years ago) link

omg ceiling matt is watching you masturbate

― esoj@w3rk (esoj@w3rk), Sunday, 11 February 2007 22:28 (seventeen years ago) link

I'm like 4 years ahead of the spammers.

― jw (ex machina), Sunday, 11 February 2007 22:29 (seventeen years ago) link

http://www.pikespeakphoto.com/images/animals/alpaca.jpg

Srsly, which dubious Eastern European gentleman do I have to pay to get one of these?

― Matt DC (Matt DC), Sunday, 11 February 2007 22:29 (seventeen years ago) link

LOL @ masturbation over Columbo.

― Matt DC (Matt DC), Sunday, 11 February 2007 22:30 (seventeen years ago) link

I am toasting a french toast bagel

― jw (ex machina), Sunday, 11 February 2007 22:32 (seventeen years ago) link

no LOL at masturbation under alpacas, that's just sick.

― cis boom bah (cis), Sunday, 11 February 2007 22:32 (seventeen years ago) link

I am toasting a french toast bagel

I'm amazed. You didn't half finish quickly.

― Matt DC (Matt DC), Sunday, 11 February 2007 22:33 (seventeen years ago) link

i want one (french toast bagel). just realized i never ate lunch. happy day!

― maunders (maunders), Sunday, 11 February 2007 22:33 (seventeen years ago) link

Hi Mandee! What ever you do, don't eat Jon's.

― Matt DC (Matt DC), Sunday, 11 February 2007 22:37 (seventeen years ago) link

i'm not bored anymore.

― there to preserve disorder (kenan), Sunday, 11 February 2007 22:37 (seventeen years ago) link

What is a French toast bagel anyway? I don't think we have them over here in Britishesland.

― Matt DC (Matt DC), Sunday, 11 February 2007 22:38 (seventeen years ago) link

Hey guys! What did I miss?

― Jesus Dan (dan perry), Sunday, 11 February 2007 22:40 (seventeen years ago) link

nudity

― esoj@w3rk (esoj@w3rk), Sunday, 11 February 2007 22:41 (seventeen years ago) link

i think its like, a bagel with some sort of eggy-cinnamony crust on the top. sounds good to me! hi matt!

― maunders (maunders), Sunday, 11 February 2007 22:41 (seventeen years ago) link

What a weird ILX to come home to.

― step hen faps (Curt1s Stephens), Sunday, 11 February 2007 22:42 (seventeen years ago) link

That's just weird. Over here, French toast is like some kind of manky dried up bread/crispbread hybrid that no one actually likes.

― Matt DC (Matt DC), Sunday, 11 February 2007 22:45 (seventeen years ago) link

Hey guys! What did I miss?

alpaca poppage!

― Eisbär (Eisbär), Sunday, 11 February 2007 22:46 (seventeen years ago) link

an introduction to alpaca sex

― Eisbär (Eisbär), Sunday, 11 February 2007 22:47 (seventeen years ago) link

Presumably this is what will happen:

- ILX to remain down until nu-code has been fully tested (or admins to RISK further hacking by putting them back up too soon)
- nu-ILX then launched
- everything returns to how it was the day before yesterday except we can all sleep soundly safe in the knowledge that it will now be much more difficult for a logged in regular (or otherwise) to hack the server in order to demonstrate a flaw with the existing code
- no 'punishment' on anyone because after all no real harm done eh?

― sede vacante (blueski), Sunday, 11 February 2007 22:48 (seventeen years ago) link

this came up in google images when i typed in "alpaca sex":

http://www.alpaca-info.com/herdsire%20profiles/lightning%20locks%20mapaca%20web.jpg

― Eisbär (Eisbär), Sunday, 11 February 2007 22:48 (seventeen years ago) link

That alpaca sex site is the greatest thing I have ever seen!

― Matt DC (Matt DC), Sunday, 11 February 2007 22:51 (seventeen years ago) link

Friends, Romans, Ilxers, lend me your ears! I LOVE HER. I don't know if it was the amyl nitrate or the dulcet tones of Brett Anderson's reggae song (OMG I LOVE!). Or maybe it was the copy of À La Recherche Du Temps Rerdu around her velutinous neck, and as I went to stroke it she made a bleating noise, and I'm sure I heard... jouissance.

ILE, I shall keep you updated.

― Matty Jagger (Matt DC), Sunday, 11 February 2007 22:55 (seventeen years ago) link

There was an alpaca farm near my aunt and uncle's vacation home in the San Juan Islands near Seattle. My uncle looked dimly upon them and figured the whole setup was a tax dodge.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, 11 February 2007 22:57 (seventeen years ago) link

i dunno -- my dad talks about running a llama farm after he retires. for real!

― Eisbär (Eisbär), Sunday, 11 February 2007 22:58 (seventeen years ago) link

http://www.indigo.de/img/interpret/small/3685.jpg

― Matt DC (Matt DC), Sunday, 11 February 2007 23:00 (seventeen years ago) link

Alpacas are apparently more of a strain to care for than llamas. There were guard llamas at the farm across the way from the alpaca place.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, 11 February 2007 23:00 (seventeen years ago) link

That alpaca sex site is the greatest thing I have ever seen!

This is maybe the scariest thing I've ever read.

― Jesus Dan (dan perry), Sunday, 11 February 2007 23:00 (seventeen years ago) link

x-post -- Thus:

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/72/186220574_8df5a9f155.jpg

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, 11 February 2007 23:01 (seventeen years ago) link

http://www.underhyped.com/images/drudge-and-llama.jpg

― Eisbär (Eisbär), Sunday, 11 February 2007 23:02 (seventeen years ago) link

rip gygaax

― jw (ex machina), Sunday, 11 February 2007 23:05 (seventeen years ago) link

once again, it's amazing what one can find on youtube:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xOcAFS4ZwNk

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eigP9HZqAJw&mode=related&search=

― Eisbär (Eisbär), Sunday, 11 February 2007 23:06 (seventeen years ago) link

http://www.youtube.com/watch?search=&mode=related&v=huSa30cM474

― Eisbär (Eisbär), Sunday, 11 February 2007 23:07 (seventeen years ago) link

Because you only post on Chicago threads?

Wrong Sarah.

― Handgun O. Mendocino (pullapartgirl), Sunday, 11 February 2007 23:08 (seventeen years ago) link

I don't know what's more disturbing, the llama sex of the naked bald dude with an acoustic guitar who's somehow affiliated with the first video.

― Matt DC (Matt DC), Sunday, 11 February 2007 23:09 (seventeen years ago) link

hee haw

― remy bean (bean), Sunday, 11 February 2007 23:09 (seventeen years ago) link

what's the proper onomatopoeia for a coital llama bray?

― remy bean (bean), Sunday, 11 February 2007 23:10 (seventeen years ago) link

Erm, OR the naked bald dude, I meant.

― Matt DC (Matt DC), Sunday, 11 February 2007 23:10 (seventeen years ago) link

nnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaAAAAAAA-AAAAY-AAAAY-aaaaaahhh!

― remy bean (bean), Sunday, 11 February 2007 23:11 (seventeen years ago) link

probably sounds something like an asthmatic's vocally aspirated fart

― remy bean (bean), Sunday, 11 February 2007 23:11 (seventeen years ago) link

i wonder if alpacas get horny for ostriches?

― remy bean (bean), Sunday, 11 February 2007 23:12 (seventeen years ago) link

And banning someone from ile is not ok, but bullying several posters off of posting to threads you start and being a hateful lunatic is totally ok?

No, but there are ways of dealing with people who do that, and being liable to fuck off every ILX poster as opposed to people who can't find there own way of dealing with the problem you describe isn't really going to endear you to that many people. Hovering over a city with a nuclear bomb isn't an effective cockroach squisher. People who do what you describe will get what's coming to them in many ways, some day. You aren't the person to decide to do that (I'm guessing I know who you've banned, right?)

― ailsa_xx (ailsa_xx), Sunday, 11 February 2007 23:33 (seventeen years ago) link

there = their

― ailsa_xx (ailsa_xx), Sunday, 11 February 2007 23:36 (seventeen years ago) link

hi, several xposts, erm, just to say that distasteful as it first seemed, i forgave jon pretty quickly when that thread was de-indexed. it was a joke that kinda went too far but it's not caused any lasting damage. the whole 'lj bullying' thing is kinda blown up slightly, it's just that whenever dom and company get bored they need a washboard to scrape, and for some reason i make a pretty good washboard. what's worse is when people judge me, this causes me FAR more grief than the noizy 'lol poppage'-style sniping.

― colonel 'scourage' kurtz (Scourage), Sunday, 11 February 2007 23:37 (seventeen years ago) link

Hang on, what was a joke - you asking to be googleproofed after using your name all over the boards for months?

― ailsa_xx (ailsa_xx), Sunday, 11 February 2007 23:45 (seventeen years ago) link

no, the drugs thread

― esoj@w3rk (esoj@w3rk), Sunday, 11 February 2007 23:46 (seventeen years ago) link

and if things ever get too boring we can always count on you to post some photos of you in drag to get the action going again.

xxp

― grady (grady), Sunday, 11 February 2007 23:46 (seventeen years ago) link

Oh, OK, I missed that. I can't keep up. You dudes totally deserve medals for modding this crap.

xpost

― ailsa_xx (ailsa_xx), Sunday, 11 February 2007 23:48 (seventeen years ago) link

well, the sniping i've kinda brought upon myself, the judging i haven't, it being entirely a product of prejudiced imaginations.

― Comrades, meet Tildo Durd (Scourage), Sunday, 11 February 2007 23:51 (seventeen years ago) link

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/f/f5/Dt_214_winner_m4.jpg/180px-Dt_214_winner_m4.jpg

― Dom Passantino (DomPassantino), Sunday, 11 February 2007 23:52 (seventeen years ago) link

hahaha, that jpg's practically perfect...

― Comrades, meet Tildo Durd (Scourage), Sunday, 11 February 2007 23:57 (seventeen years ago) link

I think I've guessed who was banned too.

― pfunkboy (Kerr), Monday, 12 February 2007 00:11 (seventeen years ago) link

Our stud has what is called a fibro-elastic penis and two testicles held in a scrotal sac. He has the alarming ability to be able to move his testicles closer to his body to maintain optimal temperatures. So if you were sure your boy was well endowed when you bought him and then the next time you looked you could see nothing, don't panic!

Could apply equally to alpacas and men.

― suzy artskooldisko (suzy artskooldisko), Monday, 12 February 2007 00:17 (seventeen years ago) link

I WANT 2 KNOW WHY PASSANTINO IS JUST KIND OF FUNNY ON ILX
BUT THEN BECOMES DON RICKLES ON THEHOLD?

― the kwisatz bacharach (sanskrit), Monday, 12 February 2007 02:45 (seventeen years ago) link

is it the change of scenery?

― the kwisatz bacharach (sanskrit), Monday, 12 February 2007 02:46 (seventeen years ago) link

"kind of funny"

"don rickles"

― m00kiepr00f (m00kiepr00f), Monday, 12 February 2007 02:55 (seventeen years ago) link

Yeah, but how do you know for sure that code is insecure without checking it? Ideally, he would have immediately posted as an admin and said "hi guys, there's a flaw, look at what it got me!" and proposed a fix, but it's not like he'd be able to confirm there was a problem without checking. Catch 22? To me, blaming it on him is dickish since:
1. To our knowledge, there is no non-member attempting to hack it
2. In the long period of time it's been up, no one else has attempted to hack it
3. I think that I trust Jon enough to not fuck with things.

It's not like some jerk from off-board came in and tried to mass delete the database.

― mh (mike h.), Monday, 12 February 2007 02:59 (seventeen years ago) link

but how do you know for sure that code is insecure without checking it
You know for sure it's insecure because there are about a thousand obvious ways ILX can be hacked, especially since he has Mod access on one board and can insert whatever HTML he likes, including javascript.

This code is obsolete. We all know it's being retired as soon as possible. There is no useful purpose served by "checking" for "problems", since any problems aint gonna get fixed, because I'm not spending the time crawling through the code patching every damn hole when we're due to move.

1. Yes, which is why the boards stayed up despite having code like cheese.
2. See 1.
3. You might; I don't have any reason to. Perhaps this is past tantrums coming back to haunt him, but I remember the shitstorm after Andrew fucked with noise privs.

― stet (stet), Monday, 12 February 2007 03:08 (seventeen years ago) link

(xpost) That is kind of a hilarious statement given that Jon fucked with things (albiet in a minor manner).

― Jesus Dan (dan perry), Monday, 12 February 2007 03:09 (seventeen years ago) link

I remember the shitstorm after Andrew fucked with noise privs.

This is a good point actually: we didn't hear the end of it when Kim/Thermo/Barry got their hands on a noisemod login for a short while. HOSTILE CANADIAN JAVASKRIPT OMG NOOOOES.

― Trayce (trayce), Monday, 12 February 2007 03:23 (seventeen years ago) link

i love hostile canadians

― m00kiepr00f (m00kiepr00f), Monday, 12 February 2007 03:44 (seventeen years ago) link

I'm kind of disappointed that I didn't get banned for that. Someone can do it now if they like - it would be ok.

― Kim (Kim), Monday, 12 February 2007 03:47 (seventeen years ago) link

Hi Kim! Remember when we had Noise Admin powers and Jon threw a huge shitfit even though we didn't cause the least bit of damage (and never had any intention of doing so)? Remember how I told Jon to calm the fuck down and noted that if he ever did the same thing with ILE, he'd find the whole thing hilarious and would tell us all that it wasn't such a big deal? I'm sure he'll show up soon with his nose running and try to tell us that the two situations aren't the same though ...

― No Time Before Time (Barry Barry), Monday, 12 February 2007 08:21 (seventeen years ago) link

it's a good thing that wasn't passive-aggressive, cuz otherwise...

― remy bean (bean), Monday, 12 February 2007 08:32 (seventeen years ago) link

I think that I trust Jon enough to not fuck with things.

have i woken up in a parallel universe or something?

― grimly fiendish (simon), Monday, 12 February 2007 09:39 (seventeen years ago) link

'mazin'
i was vevvy, vevvy dvunk. zen, o'so t'seemed, i goth sobberer -- and ze next ting i kno, ilx is down again.
(somewhere in betwixt all taht i may've done samthung stoopid, i phear :(

― tiit (t**t), Monday, 12 February 2007 09:42 (seventeen years ago) link

Little does Grimly know but he has fallen through an internet paradox... Gone is the ILX he knows instead he is in the twilight hold...

― kv_nol (kv_nol), Monday, 12 February 2007 10:22 (seventeen years ago) link

"And did I mention to you that the monster is a ten-year-old boy?"

― sede vacante (blueski), Monday, 12 February 2007 10:23 (seventeen years ago) link

Surprisingly apt...

― kv_nol (kv_nol), Monday, 12 February 2007 10:31 (seventeen years ago) link

SQL injection - C/D?

― BounceBounceBounceBounceBounceBounceBounce (bounce), Monday, 12 February 2007 10:42 (seventeen years ago) link

lol @ jon having no idea who Starry is

― Euai Kapaui (tracerhand), Monday, 12 February 2007 11:03 (seventeen years ago) link

will the new code finally ban mickey?

― temporary enrique (temporary enrique), Monday, 12 February 2007 11:07 (seventeen years ago) link

wait, who did jw ban?

― temporary enrique (temporary enrique), Monday, 12 February 2007 11:09 (seventeen years ago) link

kate

― electric sound of jim (electric sound of jim), Monday, 12 February 2007 11:10 (seventeen years ago) link

Oh dear. That's not very funny. Not at all.

― kv_nol (kv_nol), Monday, 12 February 2007 11:11 (seventeen years ago) link

haha

― temporary enrique (temporary enrique), Monday, 12 February 2007 11:13 (seventeen years ago) link

will the new code finally ban mickey?

seriously needs to

― lexpretend (lexpretend), Monday, 12 February 2007 11:15 (seventeen years ago) link

From this:

And banning someone from ile is not ok, but bullying several posters off of posting to threads you start and being a hateful lunatic is totally ok?

I'm guessing it was Kate. xpost

Yeah, because mickey's so much worse than any other annoying cnut round here

― ailsa_xx (ailsa_xx), Monday, 12 February 2007 11:17 (seventeen years ago) link

ok. ban kenan too.

― temporary enrique (temporary enrique), Monday, 12 February 2007 11:18 (seventeen years ago) link

It's all about opinions.

― onimo (nu_onimo), Monday, 12 February 2007 11:18 (seventeen years ago) link

Yeah, because mickey's so much worse than any other annoying cnut round here

there are others as bad as him but none seem to have quite the same fondness for the word "faggot"

― lexpretend (lexpretend), Monday, 12 February 2007 11:19 (seventeen years ago) link

hahaha xpost to Gerry

― ailsa_xx (ailsa_xx), Monday, 12 February 2007 11:20 (seventeen years ago) link

true xpost.

― g000blar (g00blar), Monday, 12 February 2007 11:20 (seventeen years ago) link

It's all about opinions.

"Opinions are like assholes..."

― kv_nol (kv_nol), Monday, 12 February 2007 11:22 (seventeen years ago) link

opinions are like belly buttons

― onimo (nu_onimo), Monday, 12 February 2007 11:22 (seventeen years ago) link

it's all about the safety of your identities

― BounceBounceBounceBounceBounceBounceBounce (bounce), Monday, 12 February 2007 11:25 (seventeen years ago) link

LOL (xpost)

― kv_nol (kv_nol), Monday, 12 February 2007 11:28 (seventeen years ago) link

mickey's "relationship" w/the RIAA lifts him above garden-variety internet assholism. he's an undercover narc, 100000X the threat to ILX that many ppl seem to think JW is.

― sgt joe friday (lovebug ), Monday, 12 February 2007 11:32 (seventeen years ago) link

opinions are like the cellular composition of a body, they replace themselves completely every few years yet somehow remain almost exactly the same

― Euai Kapaui (tracerhand), Monday, 12 February 2007 11:34 (seventeen years ago) link

All i can say is it's only slightly amusing that I had started a thread about the depressing state of BBC 'have your say' threads only for this to happen.

― ned trifle XIV (ned trifle XIV), Monday, 12 February 2007 11:34 (seventeen years ago) link

or more accurately, a parole violator who will draw the heat here.

"stash the hash, man"

― sgt joe friday (lovebug ), Monday, 12 February 2007 11:34 (seventeen years ago) link

Mickey's just a Jagger with EDGE.

― Dom Passantino (DomPassantino), Monday, 12 February 2007 11:34 (seventeen years ago) link

I was just reading that BBC have your say thread, having not looked at ILX all weekend, when catastrophe did strike.

― Colonel Poo (Colonel Poo), Monday, 12 February 2007 11:38 (seventeen years ago) link

Mickey's just a Jagger with EDGE. and men's clothes.

― StanM (StanM), Monday, 12 February 2007 11:43 (seventeen years ago) link

Mickey Jagger?

― M Grout (Mark Grout), Monday, 12 February 2007 13:41 (seventeen years ago) link

Mickey Borchardt: "Sinking a Music Pirate" (L.A. Times, April 3, 2006)
This simpering piece of garbage could have been written by an RIAA operative: a college student busted for illegal downloading details how the FBI dragged him into court while concluding that "stealing of any kind is wrong." Wonder if this essay was part of his plea bargain? If so, they should throw the book at him, though they probably won't since he's acted like such a good little tool.

― scott seward (121212), Monday, 12 February 2007 13:48 (seventeen years ago) link

Um how does one put up images again? (Sorry I should know this by now!)

― kv_nol (kv_nol), Monday, 12 February 2007 13:52 (seventeen years ago) link

but put it all a bit closer together

― acrobat (acrobat), Monday, 12 February 2007 13:55 (seventeen years ago) link

(img src="www.comedykitten.jpg")

but with pointy brackets instead of round ones.

― ailsa_xx (ailsa_xx), Monday, 12 February 2007 14:03 (seventeen years ago) link

Thanks ailsa. How did you know I wanted it for kittens? :)

― kv_nol (kv_nol), Monday, 12 February 2007 14:07 (seventeen years ago) link

(the html checker frowns on pointy brackets unless you do them in html too, which is probably where acrobat's explanation went)

xpost - it's ILX, dude, what else would you want it for?

― ailsa_xx (ailsa_xx), Monday, 12 February 2007 14:09 (seventeen years ago) link

To write actual pointy brackets on the screen, incidentally, you write < for < and > for >

― Forest Pines (ForestPines), Monday, 12 February 2007 14:11 (seventeen years ago) link

Aye, see that's where I'd fall down, because I'd write that and it'd magically turn into pointy brackets, hence missing the point.

― ailsa_xx (ailsa_xx), Monday, 12 February 2007 14:16 (seventeen years ago) link

so the few miserable cunts who dislike me can have a great argument for banning me?

FWIW jon (as if you care) I don't dislike you but the whole hacker ethics bewilders me. The problems you find are important but it seems the methods you use to highlight just create more headaches for people who are ultimately volunteers.

― Ms Misery (MsMisery), Monday, 12 February 2007 14:23 (seventeen years ago) link

On the bright side, I not only look ridiculous now, but people might remember me for my naivety. I guess I'm just throwing out halfway uninformed opinions after a few years of underposting and overlurking.

― mh (mike h.), Monday, 12 February 2007 14:30 (seventeen years ago) link

Aye, see that's where I'd fall down, because I'd write that and it'd
magically turn into pointy brackets, hence missing the point.

If you want to write &lt, write &lt; - and if you want to write &lt; write &amp;lt;... oh the hilarity.

― ledge (ledge), Monday, 12 February 2007 14:38 (seventeen years ago) link

xpost - it's ILX, dude, what else would you want it for?

OTM. Have done my work on the other thread. I'll stop now for fear of the madness that might be unleashed!

― kv_nol (kv_nol), Monday, 12 February 2007 14:44 (seventeen years ago) link

Anyway, the point is that Starry Sarah is totally noize.

― Laurel (Laurel), Monday, 12 February 2007 14:45 (seventeen years ago) link

― temporary enrique (temporary enrique), Monday, 12 February 2007 14:46 (seventeen years ago) link

― temporary enrique (temporary enrique), Monday, 12 February 2007 14:47 (seventeen years ago) link

</life>

― Ste (fuzzy), Monday, 12 February 2007 14:51 (seventeen years ago) link

I think that I trust Jon enough to not fuck with things.
have i woken up in a parallel universe or something?

Well, he could have, but did he? As far as I can see, he didn't reallty (except maybe ban Kate, but that's not really THAT harmful). Like Ms Misery, I don't get the hacker mentality/code/whatever, but I'm happy he did hack into the database and showed us it was fragile. So ok, maybe the admins knew, but I think it's stil (sort of) a good thing.

― nathalie (stevienixed), Monday, 12 February 2007 14:59 (seventeen years ago) link

(I just mean: cut him some slack.)

― nathalie (stevienixed), Monday, 12 February 2007 14:59 (seventeen years ago) link

cap'n save-a-hax0r

― Nu-Edward III (edward iii), Monday, 12 February 2007 15:20 (seventeen years ago) link

Nath, there is a fundamental difference between reviewing the code and reporting a problem and 'hacking into the database' and causing problems -- without telling anybody, and letting the mods discover what had happened after the fact. If that distinction isn't clear then I don't know what to say. I've had my own questions about these last couple of days but you have no idea about the level of anger these and previous instances have caused among the mods.

Pash, Stet and KeefW in particular are dedicated to providing -- as has been noted, on a strictly *volunteer* basis -- the best possible home for ILX at the present time. They coordinated the effort, they have shown a hell of a lot of energy and good judgment in general, and they do want make sure that ILX runs efficiently and securely. No offense but you might want to cut *THEM* slack first.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 12 February 2007 15:20 (seventeen years ago) link

As Matt says though, most of the time you don't register much with me, and I guess I don't register much with you either, but why is it that whenever you DO it's for things like this?
Because you only post on Chicago threads?

-- jw (jo...), February 11th, 2007.

Uh, that is not Chicago Sarah.

This thread is about QA, right?

― JordanC (JordanC), Monday, 12 February 2007 15:25 (seventeen years ago) link

Also, Jon hasn't done much (though random banning of people you don't like must raise some sort of ethical issues), but he's threatened enough, and fucked shit up in the past enough, that the mods thought it wasn't a risk worth taking.

As Ned says, a helpful person would send an email going "look, here is a loophole I have found, do you want to fix it" rather than fucking shit up for everyone else and claiming that somehow that was a better way of drawing said loophole to the attention of Keith, Stet and Pashmina, if he's really doing this for the collective good of ILX.

― ailsa_xx (ailsa_xx), Monday, 12 February 2007 15:26 (seventeen years ago) link

I think it was more the banning that was for the collective good; getting to point out a hole in the code is basically a fringe benefit.

― Laurel (Laurel), Monday, 12 February 2007 15:28 (seventeen years ago) link

xpost But hasn't Jon reported the errors numerous times to the mods? What exactly did he do wrong? He hacked into the database, but what did he do wrong there save (?) making himself a mod and banning Kate (which is a somewhat crap thing to do... I know). I mean, I'm not saying he should be applauded for what he did, but in some crazy ass way I can understand (from his snooty geek point of view wink wink). He should be spanked (heh!), I mean, told off for what he did, but it's not the end of the world/ILX.

I mean, everyone acts as though he's destroyed ILX. FFS, he just hacked into the database and banned/elected himself mod. That's quickly solved, no?

― nathalie (stevienixed), Monday, 12 February 2007 15:29 (seventeen years ago) link

lol
xp

― onimo (nu_onimo), Monday, 12 February 2007 15:30 (seventeen years ago) link

Nath I think the point is that, rightly or wrongly, some of the mods/coders do not trust Jon to have access to mod priveleges and not abuse them whenever he's in the mood to do so.

― Matt DC (Matt DC), Monday, 12 February 2007 15:32 (seventeen years ago) link

He hacked into the database, but what did he do wrong there

Excuse me, I'm going to go find a wall to bang my head against.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 12 February 2007 15:33 (seventeen years ago) link

it appears he does not need to have access to mod priveleges seeing as how he can make them and take them when he pleases.

― Ms Misery (MsMisery), Monday, 12 February 2007 15:33 (seventeen years ago) link

FFS, he just hacked into the database and banned/elected himself mod

Oh, that small matter of TOTAL POTENTIAL TO FUCK SHIT UP? That's all right then. Hurrah for Jon! Boo to over-reacting coders/admins!

― ailsa_xx (ailsa_xx), Monday, 12 February 2007 15:35 (seventeen years ago) link

There is a post upthread that apparently people either haven't read or are willfully ignoring. Let me repost it:

Everybody:

Jon found a security hole in ILX that lets him get access to the database. Full access, so he can give himself mod privs, delete posts, threads, boards, the whole site.

We're going to move to the new secure code. It's not quite ready, it hasn't had all the features fleshed out, but it lets you post and is largely secure.

-- stet (bonald...), February 11th, 2007. (later)

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 12 February 2007 15:36 (seventeen years ago) link

yes hacking into the main db is a very, very bad thing. which is, from what I understand, why he did it. to show how dangerous it was.

― Ms Misery (MsMisery), Monday, 12 February 2007 15:37 (seventeen years ago) link

"He didn't really _shoot_ anyone, I don't see what the fuss is about."

― Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Monday, 12 February 2007 15:38 (seventeen years ago) link

x-post -- I need to look for that wall again.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 12 February 2007 15:38 (seventeen years ago) link

also, yeah, lolz at Laurel. But I'll be all little miss principle here and suggest that if Jon had decided to ban, say, Ned or Dan or Allyzay or Nabisco or someone who isn't quite the polariser that Kaet is, the reaction might be slightly different.

― ailsa_xx (ailsa_xx), Monday, 12 February 2007 15:38 (seventeen years ago) link

but he didn't!

― onimo (nu_onimo), Monday, 12 February 2007 15:39 (seventeen years ago) link

BAN ALLYZAY

― a_p (a_p), Monday, 12 February 2007 15:41 (seventeen years ago) link

Oh yeah! xpost to onimo

(someone please randomly ban nathalie for experimental purposes)

― ailsa_xx (ailsa_xx), Monday, 12 February 2007 15:41 (seventeen years ago) link

The guy broke into the house, and he only took a couple of CDs. I think it's cool, cos it shows me that broken lock that I KNEW WAS BROKEN and had the LOCKSMITH BOOKED TO COME FIX was broken. He didn't steal the TV, after all.

― stet (stet), Monday, 12 February 2007 15:44 (seventeen years ago) link

Yeah but the CDs he stole were all shite ones no-one wanted to listen to.

― onimo (nu_onimo), Monday, 12 February 2007 15:45 (seventeen years ago) link

rofl

― Ms Misery (MsMisery), Monday, 12 February 2007 15:45 (seventeen years ago) link

(I should just read the kittens threads tbh)

― onimo (nu_onimo), Monday, 12 February 2007 15:45 (seventeen years ago) link

I don't think that's exactly what principle means (xp or randomly) :)

The principle is that you don't ban people because you don't like them. Which, yeah, isn't a Fundamental Human Right or anything, and obviously jon comes from the noise board where that principle doesn't hold at all. But that's part of why he doesn't have site-wide powers, and why people are anxious about him giving himself them.

― Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Monday, 12 February 2007 15:48 (seventeen years ago) link

Of course it's wrong, you have to be retarded not to realize this but he did it to show how loopy ilx was. FFS he could have wrecked ILX but he DID NOT.

― nathalie (stevienixed), Monday, 12 February 2007 15:49 (seventeen years ago) link

Ned do you want me to move the wall a bit closer?

― Matt DC (Matt DC), Monday, 12 February 2007 15:50 (seventeen years ago) link

Could you please?

Nath, can I repeat something I JUST FREAKIN' POSTED FROM STET'S EARLIER COMMENT:

The old ILX code running depends on people not trying to break it, or hack in.

If Jon is going to hack the boards by finding holes -- of which there are many -- we can't leave them up without doing a lot more admin work to try and stop him.

In otherwards, could you please allow for the fact that, perhaps, the mods maybe possibly kinda knew that there were problems with the code as it stands?

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 12 February 2007 15:53 (seventeen years ago) link

xpost
yeah but Nath that's like saying "Sure he had a gun, but he only shot that person in the foot. He COULD have killed him!" ;) (I'm just having fun with you.)

also, we must all remember that this is just ILx. Not terribly huge and important in the great scheme of life. (as opposed to our feet.)

― Ms Misery (MsMisery), Monday, 12 February 2007 15:53 (seventeen years ago) link

In other words, it's the hacking itself that's the problem, not what he did or didn't do once he'd hacked in.

I don't know how many other ways there are for people to say this.

― Matt DC (Matt DC), Monday, 12 February 2007 15:53 (seventeen years ago) link

Of course it's wrong, you have to be retarded not to realize this but he did it to show how loopy ilx was.

And the first time he did this, people took his intentions into account and said "thanks, but don't do it that way". But this isn't the first time he's done this kind of shit, or even the tenth.

― Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Monday, 12 February 2007 15:56 (seventeen years ago) link

7th?

― onimo (nu_onimo), Monday, 12 February 2007 15:57 (seventeen years ago) link

I'm happy he did hack into the database and showed us it was fragile

mmm, yes, because NONE of us knew that, did we?

come on: this code is held together with chewing gum and string. that's why it's being recoded, FFS! which jon knows, as does everyone else: what the fuck is the point of "pointing out" security holes in something that's about to be canned anyway?

i can't believe anyone's buying this "it was for the public good" line. it was to noise people up (pun vaguely intended), as is so often the case with jon's little escapades. in which case:

I just mean: cut him some slack

no. don't get me wrong: i like jon some/most of the time, and enjoy his posts. but every so often he seems to have this compulsion to stick his dick into ILX, which only serves to fuck it up for everyone else. why doesn't he cut the board some slack?

― grimly fiendish (simon), Monday, 12 February 2007 15:57 (seventeen years ago) link

The principle is that you don't ban people because you don't like them.

Yeah, and why I'm saying it's all very well going, "oh it's just Kate, she's a bit loopy and annoying haha", but I imagine it being someone other than Kate may lead the likes of Nathalie (in fact,it is just nathalie, isn't it?) to taking this a bit more seriously.

In case you were suggesting I didn't know what a principle was. If it wasn't me you were getting at, ignore me.

― ailsa_xx (ailsa_xx), Monday, 12 February 2007 15:58 (seventeen years ago) link

also, we must all remember that this is just ILx. Not terribly huge and important in the great scheme of life.

Entirely true. Those who have made it part of their lives on a regular basis via site maintenance, coding, etc., however, have an understandable interest in database and hacking concerns that I think is being ignored or misunderstood by a number of those who haven't. And that's a damn shame. Nobody's looking for hosannas to boost our collective ego, but exactly what is so surprising to you about moderator worries about this situation?

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 12 February 2007 15:58 (seventeen years ago) link

Those who have made it part of their lives on a regular basis via site maintenance, coding, etc., however, have an understandable interest in database and hacking concerns that I think is being ignored or misunderstood by a number of those who haven't.

Also, those who have made it part of their lives on a regular basis by READING and CONTRIBUTING (that aren't morons).

Though this is going to end with RJG turning up and telling everyone to let go, isn't it?

― ailsa_xx (ailsa_xx), Monday, 12 February 2007 16:01 (seventeen years ago) link

I hope so.

― onimo (nu_onimo), Monday, 12 February 2007 16:02 (seventeen years ago) link

Great, now I'm singing Frou Frou in my head.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 12 February 2007 16:02 (seventeen years ago) link

if Jon had decided to ban, say, Ned or Dan or Allyzay or Nabisco or someone who isn't quite the polariser that Kaet is, the reaction might be slightly different.

Well, duh, but he'd've had no reason to ban those people. Okay, maybe Ally...but not the others! Point being: there are a number of people on the boards behaving badly in various ways and NO ONE IS DOING ANYTHING ABOUT THEM. Like, not even really standing up to them and saying "Your behavior sucks. Please stop or don't be my/our friend/s." Jon is arguably one of them, everyone's perspective on this will differ. But the lovely virtues of tolerance and politeness and cultivating NICENESS in the world are running up against the fact that plenty of people are oblivious or unconcerned about tactful silences and the gentle pressure of suggestion. It's occasionally helpful to have people around who don't mind rocking the boat, as much of a pain in the ass as they inevitably are.

― Laurel (Laurel), Monday, 12 February 2007 16:03 (seventeen years ago) link

I'm still waiting for Jon to explain how this is different.

― much_aldo_about_nothing (much_aldo_about_nothing), Monday, 12 February 2007 16:03 (seventeen years ago) link

Shooting someone in the foot isn't the same as having your foot shot!

― onimo (nu_onimo), Monday, 12 February 2007 16:05 (seventeen years ago) link

Point being: there are a number of people on the boards behaving badly in various ways and NO ONE IS DOING ANYTHING ABOUT THEM.

This is a fully legitimate but still separate concern from the hacking question. Conflating the two issues is doing nobody any favors here.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 12 February 2007 16:05 (seventeen years ago) link

(these analogies omg)

― onimo (nu_onimo), Monday, 12 February 2007 16:06 (seventeen years ago) link

Well, duh, he had no reason to ban Kate either. Also, if I was appointing people to be the judge of who ILX would be better off without (which I'm not, and never would) - Jon wouldn't exactly be top of the list, so why the fuck he gets to appoint himself the guardian of ILX is anyone's guess. xpost to Laurel

(also, Kate doesn't even know about any of this, so it hasn't exactly worked)

― ailsa_xx (ailsa_xx), Monday, 12 February 2007 16:06 (seventeen years ago) link

(Haha, I know!)

― Laurel (Laurel), Monday, 12 February 2007 16:07 (seventeen years ago) link

Yeah, but it's not much of a principle if you have to go "imagine if it was someone who counts" (er, not that Kate doesn't count). The principle is that it matters more if it's someone unpopular (I'd make an analogy to legal representation for terrorists, but I want to be able to turn up to Nu-Shimura Curves gigs without wearing a disguise).

And I think Nathalie acknowledges that it was wrong, but doesn't think it's important - it's Laurel that's going "Go go gadget-Jon!"

― Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Monday, 12 February 2007 16:08 (seventeen years ago) link

In otherwards, could you please allow for the fact that, perhaps, the mods maybe possibly kinda knew that there were problems with the code as it stands?

Furthermore, from what the mods and Jon have both said: the mods are not aware of the exploit that Jon used, and it is an exploit that would seem to allow him to use the boards *as any user* - he certainly said he could carry out mod actions and have it recorded that another mod had done them.

As people upthread have said: if you find a hole like that, the ethical thing to do is inform the people responsible. If they ignore you, you're then free to tell people about it. Actually *using* the hole is not ethical.

― Forest Pines (ForestPines), Monday, 12 February 2007 16:08 (seventeen years ago) link

haha 'confronting' = 'banning'. Yeah, BIG MAN.

― Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Monday, 12 February 2007 16:08 (seventeen years ago) link

I can understand why the moderators whould be upset with finding that Jon had somehow gained mod privileges, but everyone else using this incident as an opportunity to take pot-shots at Jon's character can sit on a rusty eggbeater. You never him.

― elmo albatross (allocryptic), Monday, 12 February 2007 16:09 (seventeen years ago) link

Oh yes, by all means, explain to me again about hacking and why it's bad! (XXXP)

― Laurel (Laurel), Monday, 12 February 2007 16:10 (seventeen years ago) link

i find this whole thing wholely hilarious. what's the old saying? arguing on the internet is like being in the special olympics?

― chicago kevin has a lust for bacon (chicago kevin), Monday, 12 February 2007 16:10 (seventeen years ago) link

Laurel: I am coming to NYC at the end of this week, I would like to drunk with you / ian / jon / etc.

― elmo albatross (allocryptic), Monday, 12 February 2007 16:12 (seventeen years ago) link

This is getting ridiculous.

― Matt DC (Matt DC), Monday, 12 February 2007 16:12 (seventeen years ago) link

Point being: there are a number of people on the boards behaving badly in various ways and NO ONE IS DOING ANYTHING ABOUT THEM

does ignoring them count? 'cos, you know, that's what i like to do. more people should try it some time.

unless someone's particular brand of bad behaviour involves hacking the site and fucking off the admins. that's kinda tougher to ignore.

― grimly fiendish (simon), Monday, 12 February 2007 16:13 (seventeen years ago) link

Andrew, this is not MY principle (or lack of), I've said all the way through that this is wrong from top to bottom. I sort of guiltily laughed at Laurel going "lolz, it's just Kate, we're better off without her" and then suggested she might see it a bit differently if it was one of her friends instead of Kate.

― ailsa_xx (ailsa_xx), Monday, 12 February 2007 16:13 (seventeen years ago) link

You never him. = my new mantra

― Tyrone Slothrop (Tyrone Slothrop), Monday, 12 February 2007 16:13 (seventeen years ago) link

i find this whole thing wholely hilarious. what's the old saying? arguing on the internet is like being in the special olympics?

-- chicago kevin has a lust for bacon

You don't find it hilarious, you silly little twat, you're just one of the kids who enjoys the opportunity to pat himself on the back for not being ridiculous enough to care about something other people do. These blow-ups are always plagued by that sort of shit, but for once maybe you could shut the fuck up about it and just let things get hashed out.

― Tep (ktepi), Monday, 12 February 2007 16:15 (seventeen years ago) link

Elmo, you know I'm always available to drink with company. Email me/the boys/us about it and we'll make a plan.

XP: Okay, whoah. I have no idea what Kevin did to piss you off so thoroughly but I have a feeling there are like three cases of mistaken identity on this thread. Starry Sarah vs ChILX Sarah being the most amusing and harmless so far.

― Laurel (Laurel), Monday, 12 February 2007 16:17 (seventeen years ago) link

It is not the moderators or anyone else's job to stop people 'behaving badly', whatever that means. Pretty much the only people who ever get banned are persistent trolls, racists, people posting viruses and the occasional Marissa-type absolute fruitloop.

If we banned or cautioned everyone who was flaming or being a cunt towards another poster we'd a) never get any fucking work done and b) have no posters except Nabisco.

― Matt DC (Matt DC), Monday, 12 February 2007 16:18 (seventeen years ago) link

xpost

i don't find it hilarious? are you sure? what are my thoughts on other topics? please enlighten me! because *i* think this is now getting funnier but i need your expert opinion on what i actually think.

― chicago kevin has a lust for bacon (chicago kevin), Monday, 12 February 2007 16:18 (seventeen years ago) link

BAN KEVIN

― a_p (a_p), Monday, 12 February 2007 16:20 (seventeen years ago) link

"Point being: there are a number of people on the boards behaving badly in various ways and NO ONE IS DOING ANYTHING ABOUT THEM."

Laurel, you're right about that, and I hope it's going to change. But there are about a million better ways to deal with it than by sneaking in under cover of darkness and banning someone who pisses you off. Or did you think that would increase the peace somehow?

Do you really think Jon did it because there was too much bullying on ILX? Even after his Louis Jagger bully thread?

― stet (stet), Monday, 12 February 2007 16:20 (seventeen years ago) link

the next time this happens the culprit's ISP should be informed that their EULA has been violated and given the necessary evidence to prove it.

right now, the mods have decided to leave the main board down instead of continuing to play whack-a-mole with probably further abuse of the old code, and have left the sandbox up for us to play in, so no loss really.

other than that there's very little that's pertinent at this time! ilx plays host to a number of terrible children, news to no one, ever, move along or get made fun of by bored civil servants!

― TOMB07 (trm), Monday, 12 February 2007 16:21 (seventeen years ago) link

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