also 'malone dies'
― thompp, Monday, 19 December 2011 17:04 (twelve years ago) link
I just finished 'The Marriage Plot'
― M. White, Monday, 19 December 2011 17:05 (twelve years ago) link
Sigh, my book club has selected Augustus by John Williams. Not that the writing isn't great, it's just painfully self-serious and the whole thing is epistolary (i.e. all the prose is in letter form), and it's the sort of thing that's a bit of a chore to read after a job that involves reading a lot of complicated stuff.
― Hurting, Monday, 19 December 2011 17:05 (twelve years ago) link
i just finished malone dies--didn't dig it as much as Molloy but still pretty great.
― flexidisc, Monday, 19 December 2011 17:17 (twelve years ago) link
how was the marriage plot m white?
― j crunchwrap supreme, Monday, 19 December 2011 17:20 (twelve years ago) link
I'm starting Underworld for the third time and will start Candice Millard's account of the Garfield assassination.
― Lord Sotosyn, Monday, 19 December 2011 17:21 (twelve years ago) link
i think m. dies affects me more consistently than does molloy, tho' this is in large part because of the streamlining of the anti-narrative aspects. molloy might be funnier, though. ("the turdy madonna? he said, as if he knew turdy like the back of his hand, and there was no madonna in the length and breadth of it" - this line has been making me laugh about twice a week for the past month)
probably going to finish malone dies today. where i currently am is as far as i've ever got with the trilogy hurrah. (though i kind of wonder when the characterization of them as 'the trilogy' set in. and whether it works, to be honest.)
― thompp, Monday, 19 December 2011 17:23 (twelve years ago) link
i am not m. white but i read the marriage plot - wasn't crazy about the idea of the novel (kids graduate from college, learn about life) and the main female character was a lot less interesting than the two dudes but i was surprisingly emotionally affected by it.
― n/a, Monday, 19 December 2011 17:26 (twelve years ago) link
just finished marriage plot too, and i didn't like it that much overall--there is some compelling stuff mixed in w/a lot of not compelling stuff--but for some reason, once my book club started bashing it, i started to feel a bit defensive toward it. still, overall don't think the compelling stuff made the rest of the book worth it, tho.
haven't read any other eugenidies but consensus seemed to be that it wasn't as good as his other stuff
― rayuela, Monday, 19 December 2011 17:37 (twelve years ago) link
def. wasn't as good as middlesex.
― n/a, Monday, 19 December 2011 18:33 (twelve years ago) link
a lot of it felt v miscalculated, to me; maybe it is just me but i feel like a contemporary audience doesn't need inventive metaphors for what depression ~feels like~ & they somehow made it into this otherly almost fantastical state. i also liked some of it. it was funny reading somewhere, poss here, that the blowjob scene was like ~lauded~, popularly, because reading it it obv stands out as like a poignant section of the novel, although i had problems with that bit too.
what else did your book club think, rayuela?
― Never translate German (schlump), Monday, 19 December 2011 21:26 (twelve years ago) link
I liked it. I liked the end and the structure a lot and it was fun reliving the 80's.
― M. White, Monday, 19 December 2011 21:52 (twelve years ago) link
Rayuela: I would rep for runaway as being munro's 2nd best collection
― smoove operator, Monday, 19 December 2011 21:54 (twelve years ago) link
alice munro: which is the best collection to introduce people to her?
The selected stories published in the late nineties is exemplary. Hateship... boasts the greatest number of superb, memorable short stories. Among the early volumes The Moons of Jupiter is also consistent.
― Lord Sotosyn, Monday, 19 December 2011 21:55 (twelve years ago) link
'live of girls and women' is a good intro to munro & might work better as a book club selection
― є(٥_ ٥)э, Monday, 19 December 2011 22:09 (twelve years ago) link
i don't know what i'm reading. nietzsche. probably middlemarch. i'm wondering how much middlemarch i can read before spring semester starts; maybe i'll read 1q84 if i get done with the eliot before then.
― j., Tuesday, 20 December 2011 07:44 (twelve years ago) link
About 70 pages into The Trial by Kafka and... it's good, it is just a bit of a slog. Or maybe I'm just not in the mood.
― big popppa hoy, Tuesday, 20 December 2011 08:03 (twelve years ago) link
just finished
http://cache.gawker.com/assets/images/8/2009/11/500x_makers-novel-cover.jpg
p good if a touch overlong
― HOOS aka driver of steen, Tuesday, 20 December 2011 08:17 (twelve years ago) link
has anyone read any of john jeremiah sullivan's essays? v interested after reading a james wood review.
― Crowell, Tuesday, 20 December 2011 15:42 (twelve years ago) link
i started "pulphead" last night and the first piece in there, about attending a christian rock festival, is so great. hope the rest of book lives up to it: http://www.gq.com/entertainment/music/200401/rock-music-jesus.
― n/a, Thursday, December 15, 2011 4:59 PM (5 days ago) Bookmark Permalink
― n/a, Tuesday, 20 December 2011 15:44 (twelve years ago) link
i'm getting near the end of it now, that first essay is still the highlight but there's other great stuff in there too - the long piece about the 19th century naturalist was esp. good. sometimes his style gets in the way a little bit but overall the book's worth reading.
― n/a, Tuesday, 20 December 2011 15:46 (twelve years ago) link
awesome. thanks n/a.
― Crowell, Tuesday, 20 December 2011 16:26 (twelve years ago) link
schlump -- re: what my book club thought, there were complaints that it didn't map onto any sort of victorian literature and that madeline was an undignified heroine b/c she hooked up (!). anyway, i don't know much about victorian lit but thought that was a silly complaint.
thanks all for the alice munro suggestions!
― rayuela, Tuesday, 20 December 2011 16:41 (twelve years ago) link
I've recently read
To Engineer is Human, Henry Petroski. A collection of essays that make the same point repeatedly: engineers study engineering mistakes and catastrophes because they teach them more than the successes. Got it, Hank!
Field Notes From a Catastrophe, Elizabeth Kolbert. A book about global warming. She visits scientists and encapsulates their findings in clear language even average lay people can understand, explaining why we are thoroughly screwed.
The First Salute, Barbara Tuchman. American Revolutionary War history with a lot of side excursions to Europe and the West Indies, so as to make the global situation plainer, allowing American readers to understand that we didn't win the war, so much as the British lost to the French because of the neutrality of the Dutch.
― Aimless, Wednesday, 21 December 2011 04:49 (twelve years ago) link
i've tried picking up maybe 6 -- 8 books since i finished book of night women, including some supposedly great reads, but so far, they're all paling in comparison.
― Daniel, Esq., Wednesday, 21 December 2011 16:26 (twelve years ago) link
"The Magicians" by Lev Grossman, which is super fun so far
― PROVEN BY BOOZE SCIENCE, Friday, 23 December 2011 00:01 (twelve years ago) link
btw belated thx for the book club digest rayuela, i needed the vicarious inclusion, & think "what do you think of madeleine as heroine" is one of the more interesting threads to unravel re: the book (that & the ~describing depression~ one, for me)
i read a lot slower than you guys but i'm reading/still reading eileen myles' inferno & really loving it, as a bildungsroman & as something as just audible & loose as her poems, as a voice, as a memory. it is about new york in the '80s in a very textural, routine-y way, it's fun to read.
― Never translate German (schlump), Friday, 23 December 2011 00:23 (twelve years ago) link
Finished: The Meditations of Marcus Aurelius.
Started: Fernando Pessoa - The Book of Disquiet
― tanuki, Friday, 23 December 2011 00:31 (twelve years ago) link
finished malone dies and the stephen king, now reading murakami and smth called 'blood of elves'
― thompp, Friday, 23 December 2011 01:16 (twelve years ago) link
i liked the witcher books quite a bit but i dont think i can partic defend them
― є(٥_ ٥)э, Friday, 23 December 2011 01:16 (twelve years ago) link
it made me really happy that you were reading beckett just btw
― є(٥_ ٥)э, Friday, 23 December 2011 01:17 (twelve years ago) link
no problem schlump...i did think madeline was a flatly written character, but that this had nothing to do with her sexuality. maybe this is because she was written to be so normal, and eugenidies can't write compelling, normal characters? just speculating. on the other hand, the depression parts were my favorite, though, and i thought he nicely captured the way in which people who have no experience with depression tend to view/approach depression.
alice munro has pulled ahead of gary shteyngart in the book club vote. anyone here read 'super sad true love story'?
in the middle of reading -why we write: the politics and practice of writing for social change and-dark matter: a century of speculative fiction from the african diaspora
― rayuela, Friday, 23 December 2011 01:25 (twelve years ago) link
iirc there were a # of ppl on real ilx that quite liked 'super sad' but i think its his worst novel, well-written but charmless.
― ~*~ (є(٥_ ٥)э), Friday, 23 December 2011 01:28 (twelve years ago) link
yea super sad is not v good i read it
― j crunchwrap supreme, Friday, 23 December 2011 05:06 (twelve years ago) link
I am about halfway through The Prime of Miss Jean Brodie, Muriel Spark, and I'm enjoying it very much. Her use of the omniscient voice is incredibly deft and artful. It gives the impression of a particularly keen-eyed and scrupulous intelligence that understands everything and thererfore has no need of opinions.
― Aimless, Friday, 23 December 2011 19:02 (twelve years ago) link
i liked SSTLS a lot personally
muriel spark is great
― n/a, Friday, 23 December 2011 19:06 (twelve years ago) link
I endured a violent Spark addiction two Christmases ago -- I read four of her novels at one go. She's great.
― Lord Sotosyn, Friday, 23 December 2011 19:08 (twelve years ago) link
the marriage plot does not seem like a book that should have been written by a grown-ass man
― thompp, Monday, 26 December 2011 21:20 (twelve years ago) link
heh. are you reading it now?
just finished ursula k leguin's lathe of heaven. strongly reminded of PKD as I read -- thought the dispossessed & left hand of darkness were fantastic -- this one, not so much.
― rayuela, Tuesday, 27 December 2011 02:27 (twelve years ago) link
Currently reading Disturbing the Peace by Vaclav Havel.
― o. nate, Tuesday, 27 December 2011 23:10 (twelve years ago) link
Man, I'm disappointed that Underworld, despite three or four splendid passages, is a waste of time.
― Lord Sotosyn, Tuesday, 27 December 2011 23:30 (twelve years ago) link
haven't yet read it, but do have it. so i'd vote for this for a book-club!
― Daniel, Esq., Tuesday, 27 December 2011 23:32 (twelve years ago) link
It's pretty bad
― Number None, Tuesday, 27 December 2011 23:39 (twelve years ago) link
bummer. it looked kind of funny, maybe intentionally?
― Daniel, Esq., Tuesday, 27 December 2011 23:55 (twelve years ago) link
i've heard it compared to egan's a visit from the goon squad, which i liked. for those who've read both, is it an accurate comparison?
― rayuela, Wednesday, 28 December 2011 00:20 (twelve years ago) link
ehh, not sure. both def have some brilliant passages & maybe notably the best stuff was excerpted before both were published imo
― j crunchwrap supreme, Wednesday, 28 December 2011 00:26 (twelve years ago) link
goon squad > sstls imo, though im not the biggest goon squad fan.
im actually reading 'the keep' now. feel like its giving some of the same quibbles as good squad but ima stick w/ it
― j crunchwrap supreme, Wednesday, 28 December 2011 00:27 (twelve years ago) link
Yup, didn't really like Goon Squad either but i'd take it over SSTLS. I presume some of the comparisons are because both of them are set in the near future
― Number None, Wednesday, 28 December 2011 00:29 (twelve years ago) link
typing goon 3x there, it was a certainty id fuck 1 up
― j crunchwrap supreme, Wednesday, 28 December 2011 00:30 (twelve years ago) link
i'm reading egan's emerald city right now, and liking it much more than the keep. only 2 stories in though.
― rayuela, Wednesday, 28 December 2011 00:33 (twelve years ago) link
Alec Waugh, Alec Waugh... I can't remember whether he was the brother of Evelyn or the template for Waring in What's Become of Waring by Anthony Powell, or both or neither.
Some of Evelyn's travel writing is excellent as well.
― Fizzles, Thursday, 29 December 2011 22:26 (twelve years ago) link
Franny and Zooey. Superb. Ok the mysticism is so-so, ending especially is somewhat damp, but for a fond, sharp, and beautifully detailed portrait of a family it is peerless.
― ledge, Friday, 30 December 2011 10:12 (twelve years ago) link
Ok maybe not peerless. If you know of any peers toss them this way.
― ledge, Friday, 30 December 2011 10:13 (twelve years ago) link
Alec was Evelyn's older brother. The racism has become even more explicit toward the end, where he is discussing haiti. Several times now he has called blacks "stupid" and he fully buys into the idea that mulattos are smarter, because they have less "savage blood".
― Aimless, Friday, 30 December 2011 16:31 (twelve years ago) link
Disposed of Alec Waugh. I am now starting Pale Fire. It may be too clever for me, like those little wooden puzzles where a sphere is constructed out of eight or so angular pieces you must fit together, but it's too soon to say.
― Aimless, Sunday, 1 January 2012 20:46 (twelve years ago) link
just finished stone arabia, and by extension all three spiotta novels in about a month and a half.
find something that works and stick with it, right?
― cad, Monday, 2 January 2012 03:50 (twelve years ago) link